1st gh cycle questions

[fitguy]

Hi,this is going to be my first run of gh,i have run aas before but nothing fancy and it was long time ago,last time was around 4-5 years back and i dont want to run aas again,just looking for abdominal fat loss to have my 6packs back and gain 8lbs or more of muscle,i have access to pharma grade gh so my question is will 3 months be enough to reach my goals with gh alone?

[GearHeaded]

8 pounds of muscle gained , plus getting shredded abs at the same time .. all within 3 months and only using HGH.
= impossible . totally un-realistic

your first 3 months of GH use you'll likely gain a little bit of weight btw and your abs may look a little bit watery (not defined) . thats one reason why bodybuilders do not use HGH going into a show.

[fitguy]

8 pounds of muscle gained , plus getting shredded abs at the same time .. all within 3 months and only using HGH.
= impossible . totally un-realistic

your first 3 months of GH use you'll likely gain a little bit of weight btw and your abs may look a little bit watery (not defined) . thats one reason why bodybuilders do not use HGH going into a show.

What if i added slin?and if gh wont help me reach my goals is there anything other than aas that can help?

[GearHeaded]

personally ,, if your not going to use AAS. I'd do something like this

HGH
Clen
T4
and possibly some Yohimbe or Ephedrine

shred down a bit, but hold onto as much muscle as you can.

IF you were more extreme
HGH
T4
DNP
Insulin
IGF

[GearHeaded]

keep in mind.. the above compounds have to be put together in a PROPER PROTOCOL . don't just take them all together not knowing what your doing. I'm just giving out examples here, not actual protocols

[fitguy]

keep in mind.. the above compounds have to be put together in a PROPER PROTOCOL . don't just take them all together not knowing what your doing. I'm just giving out examples here, not actual protocols

i know no worries ,but that wont add any muscle,right?

[GearHeaded]

i know no worries ,but that wont add any muscle,right?

IGF and Insulin along with HGH will add muscle.. the compounds I used as examples will help you lean out and build muscle at the same time (assuming diet and training are optimized)

[fitguy]

IGF and Insulin along with HGH will add muscle.. the compounds I used as examples will help you lean out and build muscle at the same time (assuming diet and training are optimized)

What if gh and slin only?

[Windex]

Just to add on HGH isn't a cycle compound in the traditional sense like AAS. People typically run it year round or as often as possible either 7/0 or 5/2.

I don't think you realize how big of a physique change gaining 8lbs of muscle + losing fat is. I would recommend checking some before/after pictures in the members section or online. A 3lb muscle gain 3lb fat gain is a huge transformation.

[fitguy]

Just to add on HGH isn't a cycle compound in the traditional sense like AAS. People typically run it year round or as often as possible either 7/0 or 5/2.

I don't think you realize how big of a physique change gaining 8lbs of muscle + losing fat is. I would recommend checking some before/after pictures in the members section or online. A 3lb muscle gain 3lb fat gain is a huge transformation.

I know,i will be happy with a slight decrease in body fat and even slightly less than 8lbs of muscle if possible without the need to run steroids,i just want to reach that goal and then maintain

[Kay kay]

Imo don’t look at gh as something you cycle, imo it’s something that you plan on using for the foreseeable future or you don’t use it. I would never plan to run it for 3, 6, or even 12 months when using it for overall physique improvement and fat loss....unless I was using it in specific phases timed with other substances for a specific effect.

[fitguy]

Imo don’t look at gh as something you cycle, imo it’s something that you plan on using for the foreseeable future or you don’t use it. I would never plan to run it for 3, 6, or even 12 months when using it for overall physique improvement and fat loss....unless I was using it in specific phases timed with other substances for a specific effect.

Then what do you suggest me to do ?any advice

[Windex]

I know,i will be happy with a slight decrease in body fat and even slightly less than 8lbs of muscle if possible without the need to run steroids,i just want to reach that goal and then maintain

Why do you no longer want to use steroids ?

Gaining 8 lbs of muscle is feasible without steroids but it's going to take a lot of time. If I had to guess (since there are so many variables) I would say maybe 2-3 years for 8 lbs of muscle tissue and having the net body fat % be the same. (someone can correct me if I am wrong in that guesstimate).

Also when you say you have access to pharmagrade HGh do you mean you are buying it right off the shelf of a pharmacy down the street ? HGH is the most faked compound and sometimes UGL/generic is a better choice if you aren't familiar with how to spot fakes.

Obs has a good post on generic hgh and he shows how some lava even offer a credit with bloodwork

[fitguy]

Why do you no longer want to use steroids ?

Gaining 8 lbs of muscle is feasible without steroids but it's going to take a lot of time. If I had to guess (since there are so many variables) I would say maybe 2-3 years for 8 lbs of muscle tissue and having the net body fat % be the same. (someone can correct me if I am wrong in that guesstimate).

Also when you say you have access to pharmagrade HGh do you mean you are buying it right off the shelf of a pharmacy down the street ? HGH is the most faked compound and sometimes UGL/generic is a better choice if you aren't familiar with how to spot fakes.

Obs has a good post on generic hgh and he shows how some lava even offer a credit with bloodwork

Dont want to risk shutting down my testosterone production,acne and hairloss,my source is straight from the company so its 100% genuine gh

[Windex]

Dont want to risk shutting down my testosterone production,acne and hairloss,my source is straight from the company so its 100% genuine gh

I mean Test is synergistic with HGh and Insulin gives you the Zelda Triforce with the 3 compounds used together.

But HGH alone is able to produce your goals long term but it's going to cost a pretty penny.

HGH can still produce side effects. If you are trying to avoid side effects all together then your option is natural and a long grind.

[GearHeaded]

personally, I think 6+ months of high dose HGH, Insulin, T4, and cycling IGF in and out of the protocol, could put 10 pounds on you and have you achieve a leaner look. IF its stacked with optimized training, diet, and recovery .

the whole idea that you can only put on a few pounds of muscle in a year or two is weak minded and under estimates the power of the human body and the power of the drugs we have access to.
I've seen guys put on 50 pounds in a couple years and still maintain a 6 pack the whole time. you don't have guys competing in the light weight class one year only to be wining heavy weight classes a year or two later if it wasn't possible

but as I said, 8 pounds of muscle plus be leaner with HGH alone . NO.. but stacked properly with the proper protocol and drugs, training, and diet. absolutely.

[fitguy]

personally, I think 6 months of high dose HGH, Insulin, T4, and cycling IGF in and out of the protocol, could put 10 pounds on you and have you achieve a leaner look. IF its stacked with optimized training, diet, and recovery .

the whole idea that you can only put on a few pounds of muscle in a year or two is weak minded and under estimates the power of the human body and the power of the drugs we have access to.
I've seen guys put on 50 pounds in a couple years and still maintain a 6 pack the whole time. you don't have guys competing in the light weight class one year only to be wining heavy weight classes a year or two later.

but as I said, 8 pounds of muscle plus be leaner with HGH alone . NO.. but stacked properly with the proper protocol and drugs, training, and diet. absolutely.

I am in a good shape keeping in mind that i didnt use much aas at all and last cycle was 4-5 years back,i just wish i can reach my goal without risking acne and trt

[fitguy]

I mean Test is synergistic with HGh and Insulin gives you the Zelda Triforce with the 3 compounds used together.

But HGH alone is able to produce your goals long term but it's going to cost a pretty penny.

HGH can still produce side effects. If you are trying to avoid side effects all together then your option is natural and a long grind.

The thing is i feel am going no where naturally and sametime dont want risk shutting my body for good

[Kay kay]

You can reach your goal without ending up with acne or on try WITH steroids as well...

[fitguy]

Any suggestions?

[fitguy]

[fitguy]

just posted that so that you guys can take an idea about how i look like now

[Windex]

The first step is optimizing sleep, nutrition and training. I would start by posting here or in the diet section your current meal program. Then post your training here or training section.

Finally you need to manage your expectations. Break down your muscle gain goal into smaller goals - add 2 lbs of muscle, then another 2, etc etc.

[fitguy]

The first step is optimizing sleep, nutrition and training. I would start by posting here or in the diet section your current meal program. Then post your training here or training section.

Finally you need to manage your expectations. Break down your muscle gain goal into smaller goals - add 2 lbs of muscle, then another 2, etc etc.

Been doing that for a long time now,but my diet has room for improvement

[Kay kay]

It’s really not rocket science to avoid the harsher compounds like tren and deca and recover from the mild compounds like
Test, primo, eq

[fitguy]

It’s really not rocket science to avoid the harsher compounds like tren and deca and recover from the mild compounds like
Test, primo, eq

Might consider that but again there is the hairloss issue

[Kay kay]

Hair loss is an issue if it’s ALREADY in your DNA. If your already pre disposed to hair loss then t can be accelerated with certain AAS. If not, then you are fine. I don’t think hair issues are too common. Especially not common with just test, more so with tren or DHT derivatives