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    GH and GW synergy?

    This started when I was watching a video on fasted vs non fasted cardio
    Basically, and many other (all videos arguments were supported by studies by knowledgeable people or I would not have bothered watching) the conclusion is
    There is no difference
    Fasted increased the amount of calories burned during the exercise but decreased neat throughout the rest of the day, so it was a wash in calories burned
    Okay, so let's look at actual fat. Fasted increased the amount of lipolysis (stored fats to free fatty acids in the blood stream), but the amount of FFAs in the blood were excessive and would require greater than 90 minutes of (steady state) cardio to work it off, so it (FFAs that were not burned off) would just go back as stored fat
    I believe (could be wrong) this is why gearhead has recommended HGH before training (because HGH triggers lipolysis)
    Keep in mind, lipolysis and fat oxidation are two different things. Fat oxidation is where stored fat is released AND burned off as energy. Most studies only look at the lipolysis step.
    Here is where I am wondering about GW15....(and more numbers). It is supposed to make the liver more efficient at burning off these FFAs so less gets sent back to storage. So if we combine GH, have these FFAs that the GW is making your body better at burning off, are we in a fat oxidization sweet spot?
    Or we could just be creating the cancer w GW and growing it w the GH. Whatever. Either way you will lose fat (chemo is very good at that)

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer View Post
    This started when I was watching a video on fasted vs non fasted cardio
    Basically, and many other (all videos arguments were supported by studies by knowledgeable people or I would not have bothered watching) the conclusion is
    There is no difference
    Fasted increased the amount of calories burned during the exercise but decreased neat throughout the rest of the day, so it was a wash in calories burned
    Okay, so let's look at actual fat. Fasted increased the amount of lipolysis (stored fats to free fatty acids in the blood stream), but the amount of FFAs in the blood were excessive and would require greater than 90 minutes of (steady state) cardio to work it off, so it (FFAs that were not burned off) would just go back as stored fat
    I believe (could be wrong) this is why gearhead has recommended HGH before training (because HGH triggers lipolysis)
    Keep in mind, lipolysis and fat oxidation are two different things. Fat oxidation is where stored fat is released AND burned off as energy. Most studies only look at the lipolysis step.
    Here is where I am wondering about GW15....(and more numbers). It is supposed to make the liver more efficient at burning off these FFAs so less gets sent back to storage. So if we combine GH, have these FFAs that the GW is making your body better at burning off, are we in a fat oxidization sweet spot?
    Or we could just be creating the cancer w GW and growing it w the GH. Whatever. Either way you will lose fat (chemo is very good at that)
    Frag 191 also releases the stored fats to FFA’S.
    The studies are based on non performance enhanced athletes. As you indirectly stated, that can be changed through enhancement.


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    I understand close to zero about Cardarine but haven't noticed anything significant yet stacked with my GH. Only 3 weeks in though so still very fresh.

    I have enjoyed T3 though while being in a caloric surplus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I understand close to zero about Cardarine but haven't noticed anything significant yet stacked with my GH. Only 3 weeks in though so still very fresh.

    I have enjoyed T3 though while being in a caloric surplus.
    How much GW are you using daily Windex?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashop View Post
    How much GW are you using daily Windex?
    10mg AM 10mg PM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    10mg AM 10mg PM
    Any side effects at all?

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    Any side effects at all?
    Zero side effects
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