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Thread: Mike Arnold Labs MK-677 product?

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    Mike Arnold Labs MK-677 product?

    Please forgive if this is in the wrong forum.

    Anybody used Somatozine from masupps? It seems to have some good reviews, but I don't know if those are shills.

    Anybody have experience with that particular product?

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    best MK on the market .. I use it , have multiple clients using it , multiple members here using it as well . PM me if you want a discount code (no I'm not associated with Mike Arnold , I simply know a 20% off discount code)
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    It’s the real deal. I never use to mess with peptides, secretagouges, etc. wrote it off as “not gear”. The Gearheaded came along and was like “You need to start taking this yesterday”, and he’s usually right about everything.

    I don’t know if it’s doing anything for growth as I’m pretty much always on a whole mess of something or other, but it rapidly made my joint issues go away. Increased my appetite substantially (that’s important when you’re eating nasty shit like 6 boiled chicken breasts a day), and I seem to be unable to increase my BF percentage, even when I eat like straight shit (which I would never do).

    Overall, this shit knocks it out of the park. If I was going to recommend one non AAS thing to take, this would be it.
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    So what you are both saying is MAYBE its ok? Am I hearing that right?


    Nah just messing with you! Thanks for the responses, I will be placing an order soon.
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    I have used it, mild effect, and even though I am not too sure about that.

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    It made it today!

    I plan on using 12.5mg 4 nights a week to start, then moving to 25mg 4 nights a week with 3 weeks on, 1 week off. Does that seem reasonable for an HRT'er, just looking for some of the benefits of an HGH bump?

    Oh and the 5 mgs of Melatonin in this mix probably contributes pretty strongly to its ability to help with sleep...

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    I agree when someone said its the best MK677 on the market. Exceptional product and I don't say that about many...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    It made it today!

    I plan on using 12.5mg 4 nights a week to start, then moving to 25mg 4 nights a week with 3 weeks on, 1 week off. Does that seem reasonable for an HRT'er, just looking for some of the benefits of an HGH bump?

    Oh and the 5 mgs of Melatonin in this mix probably contributes pretty strongly to its ability to help with sleep...

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    Why 3 weeks on and 1 week off as opposed to running it straight thru?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    Why 3 weeks on and 1 week off as opposed to running it straight thru?
    I'm trying to avoid the suppression of natural GHRH production. I don't know if only taking it 4 times a week is sufficient. Plus, I kind of like to just back off the OTC supps every once in a while for a week. But if I don't have to cycle off the MK, I would be totally cool with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    I'm trying to avoid the suppression of natural GHRH production. I don't know if only taking it 4 times a week is sufficient. Plus, I kind of like to just back off the OTC supps every once in a while for a week. But if I don't have to cycle off the MK, I would be totally cool with that.
    what suppression?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18981485

    And no you don't have to cycle off studies show it keeps getting better I believe. But I have been advised by people on forums to do around 3 month cycles as the results in forum members blood works (people on cycles or blasting and cruising) showed it to be better that way? I would re-check or ask around about that specifically though but the studies show it works long time... Though as I just looked over a graph on that link 6 months maybe more optimal than 3 but ya certainly shouldn't need to only stay on for a few weeks because mk increases natural production not suppresses it (someone PLEASE correct if wrong)
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    Mk does increase hgh production but does so by essentially replacing your natural ghrh production - that is super basic and probably not exactly right but that is the gist of it. I found a good write up by Gearheaded on this somewhere here, will see if I can find the specific link later.

    Edit: this is the link.
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    OK he does seem knowledgeable but I still have to question him saying that as I can't find a source for such information in the archives?? As well as I haven't seen studies that weren't done using daily admin, the studies done that do keep showing increases in IGF for several months so in my mind not taking consecutively could interrupt that steady increase? I would just run it daily and for x number of months then run some ashwagandha or ksm66 as a pct for my hypothalamus? (may be better supps but I believe it helps with restoring a healthy hypothalamus)

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    when you’re eating nasty shit like 6 boiled chicken breasts a day

    But more importantly, why on earth would you be eating boiled chicken. Eww.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    But more importantly, why on earth would you be eating boiled chicken. Eww.
    Because it has all the protein a growing body needs.
    but yes... very very eww.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    Because it has all the protein a growing body needs.
    but yes... very very eww.
    Grill them up! Hit them with a little seasoning and all of a sudden chicken breasts taste much better. Still not great but way better than boiled. Probably the best way to get them to taste better is to batter dip and deep fry them, but that sort of defeats the purpose...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    But more importantly, why on earth would you be eating boiled chicken. Eww.
    I remember the diet plan that came with the Cybergenics kits back in the late 80's and boiled chicken was a big part of the plan.
    It was ok for a for days but grew old real fast. Boiled chicken is rough to get down over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    Grill them up! Hit them with a little seasoning and all of a sudden chicken breasts taste much better. Still not great but way better than boiled. Probably the best way to get them to taste better is to batter dip and deep fry them, but that sort of defeats the purpose...
    fried chicken is amazing. It may come to that lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    fried chicken is amazing. It may come to that lol
    Fried chicken IS! I regretted writing that earlier comment because now all I want is KFC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DogSlime View Post
    OK he does seem knowledgeable but I still have to question him saying that as I can't find a source for such information in the archives?? As well as I haven't seen studies that weren't done using daily admin, the studies done that do keep showing increases in IGF for several months so in my mind not taking consecutively could interrupt that steady increase? I would just run it daily and for x number of months then run some ashwagandha or ksm66 as a pct for my hypothalamus? (may be better supps but I believe it helps with restoring a healthy hypothalamus)
    A couple of quick thoughts here....

    First, I don't see in the article you posted where they were checking for things like suppression. Maybe it is there and I missed it.

    Second, there is a fair amount of info here on MK677 that is worth digging for. I'm not sure where else we would get real world, practical information on the topic. Maybe the source exists and I don't know where it is.

    Finally, do let us know how it works for you. That's what makes the board good. Personally, I'm not sure I would trust Ashwaganda as PCT for anything, though I do take it daily and find it calming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    A couple of quick thoughts here....

    First, I don't see in the article you posted where they were checking for things like suppression. Maybe it is there and I missed it.

    Second, there is a fair amount of info here on MK677 that is worth digging for. I'm not sure where else we would get real world, practical information on the topic. Maybe the source exists and I don't know where it is.

    Finally, do let us know how it works for you. That's what makes the board good. Personally, I'm not sure I would trust Ashwaganda as PCT for anything, though I do take it daily and find it calming.
    So if they didn't CHECK FOR IT THEY CAN"T VALIDLY SAY IT WAS REDUCED (nor can I say it wasn't but I only take precautions for stuff that factually is necessary) ... I don't need to dig for information I have done a ton of reasearch on it (as well as years of first hand experience). That's why I was trying to help because based off what I know it should be ran daily and for an extended time... And if you don't wanna use something that restores hypothalamus but would rather not reap the full benefits of the product to prevent something that MAY not even be happening then fine, some people don't PCT from an AAS cycle and still recover. Just makes more sense to help it recover faster.
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    Update

    25 mg at night causes me to be groggy in the morning and pretty much eat. all. damn. day. Probably not a problem if you are bulking but that is the last thing I need right now. It isn't like a ravenous hunger, like I'm not constantly starving. But I am hungry and feel like I could eat a decent sized meal, and then 2 hours later eat another and 2 hours after that another etc. I would bet 6000 calories or more would not be a problem.

    Also, at 25mg my hands seemed to be kind of swollen. I didn't even notice it until I was benching and thought 'WTF? the barbell is hurting my hands?!?! That has never happened' then checked them out and yep, they were swollen.

    I backed the MK down to 12.5 mg 4 nights a week and that seems to be pretty good for me. Yes, it will limit the benefits but that's ok right now. The hunger is much reduced, the grogginess and hand swelling are gone, so I'm good with this for the time being.

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    If I would of known that you were cutting , I'd of never recommended MK677 . it does not work well for a cut at all . its a bulking drug. it can be used in Recomps as well, but sparingly. use it in a recomp about 3 days per week at 12.5mg the night before a re-feed or high day.

    also for bulking, the lethargy goes away after a few weeks. takes some time to adjust , plus the water retention take some time to acclimate to . yes your hands will get swollen and possible start going numb . its similar to running like 6+ iu of pharm grade HGH
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    Is there a definitive answer yet as to whether it causes suppression ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    If I would of known that you were cutting , I'd of never recommended MK677 . it does not work well for a cut at all . its a bulking drug. it can be used in Recomps as well, but sparingly. use it in a recomp about 3 days per week at 12.5mg the night before a re-feed or high day.

    also for bulking, the lethargy goes away after a few weeks. takes some time to adjust , plus the water retention take some time to acclimate to . yes your hands will get swollen and possible start going numb . its similar to running like 6+ iu of pharm grade HGH
    I'm not cutting ATM, more like a recomp through the end of the year, when I will start a more proper cutting phase. I really just don't want to put on anymore weight.

    Edit: with Thanksgiving and Christmas coming up, I think not putting on anymore weight is a good goal.

    I will back down to 3x per week through the end of the year, then drop it for a while during my true cutting.

    Do you think 12.5 at 3 nights a week would be safe to run year round? That is, without the risk of natural GHRH suppression or would you still recommend the occasional break?
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    I don't think you would need to take any breaks from it running it only 3 days per week . I don't think it causes any sort of permanent suppression, as much as it simply temporarily "replaces" GHRH from the hypothalamus .

    now, wither on HGH or GHRPs or whatever , IF your IGF levels are running quite high from any of these compounds, there is a negative feed back loop from the liver and IGF output and the brain, and your body will stop naturally pulsing HGH (cause IGF is too high)..
    BUT with MK677 , its acting as GHRH itself , and I believe it will bypass this negative feed back loop and keep the pituitary pulsing anyhow.
    just my theory. I've not looked into this that deep yet
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    Iíve been using his Tadalafil daily for about a year now (fuck paying pharma prices) and itís been working fantastically. Good to know his MK is solid as well.
    I got turned onto his stuff after listening to a shitload if BFR podcasts with him on. Other than Broderick Chavez, Mike and Alex have been the best sources for breaking AAS stuff down in an audio format.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    I’ve been using his Tadalafil daily for about a year now (fuck paying pharma prices) and it’s been working fantastically. Good to know his MK is solid as well.
    I got turned onto his stuff after listening to a shitload if BFR podcasts with him on. Other than Broderick Chavez, Mike and Alex have been the best sources for breaking AAS stuff down in an audio format.
    big fan of all three of those guys . if BFR as well as everything Broderick puts out is where your getting your AAS info from , then your in good hands for the most part (I've interacted with and worked directly with these guys, not saying who but one of them coached me years back)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    I’ve been using his Tadalafil daily for about a year now (fuck paying pharma prices) and it’s been working fantastically. Good to know his MK is solid as well.
    I got turned onto his stuff after listening to a shitload if BFR podcasts with him on. Other than Broderick Chavez, Mike and Alex have been the best sources for breaking AAS stuff down in an audio format.
    Mike Arnold has a Tadalafil product? Which one is it? We are talking Tadalafil aka Cialis, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    Mike Arnold has a Tadalafil product? Which one is it? We are talking Tadalafil aka Cialis, correct?
    yes , its on his 'research chems' site , not his supplement site. has T3, Sarms , Ancillaries, fat burners etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    Mike Arnold has a Tadalafil product? Which one is it? We are talking Tadalafil aka Cialis, correct?

    Yes to all. Itís literally just labelled tadalafil on his research chems site.
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    Thanks gents. Appears that particular site is down at the moment.

    @Gallowmere, that is clearly labeled 'not for human consumption'. You should probably send it to me for proper disposal

    Edit: nevermind, the site domain changed from the previous link I was using. dot com is now dot net
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    big fan of all three of those guys . if BFR as well as everything Broderick puts out is where your getting your AAS info from , then your in good hands for the most part (I've interacted with and worked directly with these guys, not saying who but one of them coached me years back)
    Itís actually been quite an interesting couple of years of me taking stuff in from a lot of different sources. It started here when I found out that I needed TRT. Then it expanded to soaking in from podcasts from the most reputable guys in the industry when I realized that Iíd be married to the needle forever, so I might as well make the most of it.
    Since then, Iíve also taken a cue from Alex and started incorporating reading lot of case studies and the pharmacokinetics of various compounds. At the end of the day though, I also have to accept that my n=1 is going to trump everything due to bioindividuality, so I have to be willing to experiment with everything over time, starting with slightly supratherapeutic dosages and working my way up over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    Thanks gents. Appears that particular site is down at the moment.

    @Gallowmere, that is clearly labeled 'not for human consumption'. You should probably send it to me for proper disposal

    Edit: nevermind, the site domain changed from the previous link I was using. dot com is now dot net
    Oh noes. I have five more just like it. How will I ever dispose of so much unfit product? Why oh why didnít I read the fine print?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    It’s actually been quite an interesting couple of years of me taking stuff in from a lot of different sources. It started here when I found out that I needed TRT. Then it expanded to soaking in from podcasts from the most reputable guys in the industry when I realized that I’d be married to the needle forever, so I might as well make the most of it.
    Since then, I’ve also taken a cue from Alex and started incorporating reading lot of case studies and the pharmacokinetics of various compounds. At the end of the day though, I also have to accept that my n=1 is going to trump everything due to bioindividuality, so I have to be willing to experiment with everything over time, starting with slightly supratherapeutic dosages and working my way up over time.
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