Cjc 1295 and Ipamorelin Vs Mk 677

[Conrad1980]

I've been taking MK 677 for a while, but it's the fatigue that's killing me.
I was on 20mg then 10mg and now I stop or go down to 5mg daily??

I would like to try CJC 1295 Dac and the ipamoralen.
This is quite expensive and I am wondering about a dose of 1mg CJC1295 per week 0.2mg per day with the ipamoralen.
Is this enough? Looking for some antiaging for skin and hair and some muscle growth.
Will this dosage work well? Or wasted money if the dose is not doubled?

Cjc1295 ipamoalen vs Mk 677 can it be compared?
Does cjc/ipa make you very tired?
I have also measured a slightly high fasting blood sugar of 6.4 on average.
Is this high?
Cjc/ipa and blood sugar? I have passed 40 years.
I take 250mg testo e in addition

[956Vette]

all the above is controversial trash, with the least offender being ipamorelin.

indeed, ibutamoren (mk677) is difficult to sustain as the side effects aren't worth the potential benefit. maybe a use case for mk is for ectomorphs to dose before visiting the buffet, beyond that...dunno.

typically, CJC-1295 (DAC) is too unreliable to trust as far as manufacturing process is difficult and the mislabeling is widespread. majority of CJC-1295 is simply short acting GHRH, similar to sermorelin or mod grf (1-29). even in the rare event one sources true CJC, users will regret it as upwards of 2mg/wk is often needed and will bloat and come with undesirable effects like lethargy. ...silly to seek out CJC1295 DAC as users who want value are injecting ghrp multiple times per day, which defeats any luxury of the possibility of once/wk injects.

ipamorelin is a very subtle ghrp which is difficult to feel/quantify...what's good is that it's close to side-effect free. both ipamorelin and typical ghrh are cheap to synthesize and ever cheaper to combine inside a blend, cost is well under $20 and clinics can ask $225+ (TRT clinics give the shit away so clients feel special/loyal). by the time users have gone to great lengths to experience/derive value from ipamorelin cocktails...they'll realize they would be better off with low dose black market growth hormone....

[Conrad1980]

Så cjc og ipamorelin gir også sløvhet som mk.
Det er kun Ghrp som gjelder? Du tenker da på Ghrp 2 eller 6?
Dette er jo mye billigere og kanskje mye mer effektivt.? Men må ta flere injeksjoner pr dag.

Børr ikke Ghrp kombineres med en annen Ghrh?
Jeg har ikke prøvd dette heller, men du vil vel få en veldig økning i sult flere ganger om dagen.
Dette passer meg dårlig.

[956Vette]

increasing growth hormone tends to come with lethargy, initially. had you use a blend such as sermorelin/ghrp2/ipamorelin, hunger/side-effects can be minimal/manageable. ghrp doesn't have to be used with ghrh, you'll indeed spend more on syringes than the protein drug...results are next to nothing however (compared to a ghrp/ghrh combo or rHGH). sorry for being the bearer of bad news!

[wellshii]

all the above is controversial trash, with the least offender being ipamorelin.

indeed, ibutamoren (mk677) is difficult to sustain as the side effects aren't worth the potential benefit. maybe a use case for mk is for ectomorphs to dose before visiting the buffet, beyond that...dunno.

typically, CJC-1295 (DAC) is too unreliable to trust as far as manufacturing process is difficult and the mislabeling is widespread. majority of CJC-1295 is simply short acting GHRH, similar to sermorelin or mod grf (1-29). even in the rare event one sources true CJC, users will regret it as upwards of 2mg/wk is often needed and will bloat and come with undesirable effects like lethargy. ...silly to seek out CJC1295 DAC as users who want value are injecting ghrp multiple times per day, which defeats any luxury of the possibility of once/wk injects.

ipamorelin is a very subtle ghrp which is difficult to feel/quantify...what's good is that it's close to side-effect free. both ipamorelin and typical ghrh are cheap to synthesize and ever cheaper to combine inside a blend, cost is well under $20 and clinics can ask $225+ (TRT clinics give the shit away so clients feel special/loyal). by the time users have gone to great lengths to experience/derive value from ipamorelin cocktails...they'll realize they would be better off with low dose black market growth hormone....

Spot on!

[Cylon357]

Late to the party, but here goes....

I like CJC-1295 no DAC (aka ModGrf 1-29) and Ipamorelin. Note that I didn't say LOVE them, we are in a definite state of like not love. I haven't pulled bloods on them, but feel like over the course of 4 to 6 weeks, I can start seeing results. Other benefits occur prior to that, like better sleep and recovery, but visible changes occur in that 4 to 6 week time frame. I Iike Peptide Sciences and sometimes Umbrella Labs, expensive but worth it imo. Dosed between 100 to 200 mcg each per night 5 nights a week.

A lot of people probably order from the garbage pep vendors and then say "Ipamorelin didn't work for me so it must be crap" but they actually got orange tang because the vendor is awful. Hint: Buy one, get 2 free is probably not the mark of a quality supplier.

MK 677.... that hits hard and fast at 12.5mg every other night. Bloat and appetite are the first two things I notice, and to be honest haven't been able to go longer than a month on it. I would swear that within two weeks my hair was coming in darker and I was sleeping well. MA Somatizine is my MK product of choice, though I'm sure others are fine, too. Note that somatizine contains melatonin, so it is probably best to use only at night.

[Cylon357]

Oh and to add: maybe just go ahead and try some actual hgh if you haven't already. Or maybe one of the IGF-1 compounds. These are the things we are generally after with peptides, so it could make sense to go straight to the goal.

[Conrad1980]

Så hvis jeg får sløvhet av km 677, så får jeg det også av cjc 1295 og ipamoren.?

[Cylon357]

Så hvis jeg får sløvhet av km 677, så får jeg det også av cjc 1295 og ipamoren.?

Vat der verk?



Seriously, no clue what you are asking.

[SampsonandDelilah]

all the above is controversial trash, with the least offender being ipamorelin.

indeed, ibutamoren (mk677) is difficult to sustain as the side effects aren't worth the potential benefit. maybe a use case for mk is for ectomorphs to dose before visiting the buffet, beyond that...dunno.

typically, CJC-1295 (DAC) is too unreliable to trust as far as manufacturing process is difficult and the mislabeling is widespread. majority of CJC-1295 is simply short acting GHRH, similar to sermorelin or mod grf (1-29). even in the rare event one sources true CJC, users will regret it as upwards of 2mg/wk is often needed and will bloat and come with undesirable effects like lethargy. ...silly to seek out CJC1295 DAC as users who want value are injecting ghrp multiple times per day, which defeats any luxury of the possibility of once/wk injects.

ipamorelin is a very subtle ghrp which is difficult to feel/quantify...what's good is that it's close to side-effect free. both ipamorelin and typical ghrh are cheap to synthesize and ever cheaper to combine inside a blend, cost is well under $20 and clinics can ask $225+ (TRT clinics give the shit away so clients feel special/loyal). by the time users have gone to great lengths to experience/derive value from ipamorelin cocktails...they'll realize they would be better off with low dose black market growth hormone....

Jumping in with a high Jack.

Have used MK, Ipramorelin and Semorelin with minimal results. Struggled to stay on MK because of the taste. Thanks to Cy and Vette, I was gonna give MA’s MK capsules a role (insomniac anyways). Think I’m better off with a black market HGH? (Black or gray tops)? I travel so much with work, the reconstituted shit is a struggle to pack. Open for suggestions. I’m used to the lethargy, I call that a Tuesday

That’s what my fancy espresso machine and an occasional adderall are for

Thanks for letting me jump in…recomping soon

[Cylon357]

Jumping in with a high Jack.

Have used MK, Ipramorelin and Semorelin with minimal results. Struggled to stay on MK because of the taste. Thanks to Cy and Vette, I was gonna give MA’s MK capsules a role (insomniac anyways). Think I’m better off with a black market HGH? (Black or gray tops)? I travel so much with work, the reconstituted shit is a struggle to pack. Open for suggestions. I’m used to the lethargy, I call that a Tuesday

That’s what my fancy espresso machine and an occasional adderall are for

Thanks for letting me jump in…recomping soon

Man, that is hard to say. So much depends on your particulars. I would say try the Somatazine first (however the f*@@$ it is spelled) because capsules are just so easy to travel with.

That said, if you travel like a week at a time, and wanted to do 2iu a night of hgh, you could just take a 10iu vial and the 1ml bacstat water they usually give you with it on the road with you, then reconstitute when you arrive. This all assumes you are in one place for a week at a time, and can keep the same hotel room with a mini fridge or something. But I'm sure you have worked all that out before, I just remember my days as a road warrior (lower case to avoid confusion with Animal, Hawk or Mel Gibson ) and those are the things I would do.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Man, that is hard to say. So much depends on your particulars. I would say try the Somatazine first (however the f*@@$ it is spelled) because capsules are just so easy to travel with.

That said, if you travel like a week at a time, and wanted to do 2iu a night of hgh, you could just take a 10iu vial and the 1ml bacstat water they usually give you with it on the road with you, then reconstitute when you arrive. This all assumes you are in one place for a week at a time, and can keep the same hotel room with a mini fridge or something. But I'm sure you have worked all that out before, I just remember my days as a road warrior (lower case to avoid confusion with Animal, Hawk or Mel Gibson ) and those are the things I would do.

Too funny. I definitely am a lower cased road warrior and have used these “cooling packs” in the past that are TSA approved but they’re a giant pain in the ass.

Rarely am I gone a week at a time but often I hit multiple cities in a week (pack and unpack is my life right now, shoot me). Fly in have dinner and fly out so the pills are far more appealing.

I think I’ll give them a go. The liquid MK gave mixed results but I know I’ve complained enough about how awful it tastes and what it does to my gut…ugh.

Cat’s asshole should ring a bell

Appreciate you guys that PM’d me and why this place will always be the best in my book.

[Conrad1980]

So if I get really tired from Mk 677 then I get tired from cjc 1295 and ipamorelin? I typed straight in here in Norwegian and then the Google translation was probably a bit weird.

[Cylon357]

So if I get really tired from Mk 677 then I get tired from cjc 1295 and ipamorelin? I typed straight in here in Norwegian and then the Google translation was probably a bit weird.

I do not get tired from the peptides like I do from MK677. I think I have spoken on the differences in my experience.

[956Vette]

So if I get really tired from Mk 677 then I get tired from cjc 1295 and ipamorelin? I typed straight in here in Norwegian and then the Google translation was probably a bit weird.

Short answer, yes. Nuance lies whether or not your CJC-1295 is authentic. If your drug dealer substitutes long acting growth hormone releasing hormone (CJC1295 DAC) in favor of a fast acting alternative (namely mod grf 1-29 or sermorelin) and you dose low, unlikely to get tired.

[Cylon357]

Short answer, yes. Nuance lies whether or not your CJC-1295 is authentic. If your drug dealer substitutes long acting growth hormone releasing hormone (CJC1295 DAC) in favor of a fast acting alternative (namely mod grf 1-29 or sermorelin) and you dose low, unlikely to get tired.

That's the key, I think. Finding the dose of whatever that works for you. MK677 might not bring the lethargy IF you dose it low enough for YOUR physiology. Same with the other peps, etc.

[Cuz]

Just to chime in, i have been on MK pretty much all year. After 6 months i noticed my stomach is protruding more and feeling more energy depleted even on tren i dont feel the normal energy bursts.

Thinking about going another route ive looked into igf1-lr3 but the prices are so damn vast idk whats real and what aint honestly thinking about just strictly trt for awhile.
Anyways carry on the good discussion

[SampsonandDelilah]

Just to chime in, i have been on MK pretty much all year. After 6 months i noticed my stomach is protruding more and feeling more energy depleted even on tren i dont feel the normal energy bursts.

Thinking about going another route ive looked into igf1-lr3 but the prices are so damn vast idk whats real and what aint honestly thinking about just strictly trt for awhile.
Anyways carry on the good discussion

Any difference in your physique, BF% or recovery?

Is the juice worth the squeeze I suppose is what I’m asking?

I have the same thoughts about the igf1-lr3, if I knew for certainty I’d be more tempted to spend the dough, but if I’m gonna gamble, I’d rather throw dice

[Cuz]

Any difference in your physique, BF% or recovery?

Is the juice worth the squeeze I suppose is what I’m asking?

I have the same thoughts about the igf1-lr3, if I knew for certainty I’d be more tempted to spend the dough, but if I’m gonna gamble, I’d rather throw dice

Recovery is a tad better with faster hair and nail growth. Bodyfat is higher due to diet it hasn’t helped. Its more of a dessert added to a cruise or blast in my opinion thats why i take it

[SampsonandDelilah]

Recovery is a tad better with faster hair and nail growth. Bodyfat is higher due to diet it hasn’t helped. Its more of a dessert added to a cruise or blast in my opinion thats why i take it

Sadly I’m hopeless in the hair department, in less you count the ears, back and palms. Hmmm, I’m torn. I’ll probably throw it in and see what happens…definitely holding out some hope for better sleep and an appetite increase. Those two things alone would help, the idea of it dramatically changing the bf% ratio is probably a pipe dream, it always comes down to the kitchen. Gonna run it with Tren for a recomp so it probably won’t hurt (famous last words)

Appreciate you Cuz!

[956Vette]

Thinking about going another route ive looked into igf1-lr3 but the prices are so damn vast idk whats real and what aint honestly thinking about just strictly trt for awhile.
Anyways carry on the good discussion

Igf-1 Lr3 snake oil, what long term gains/growth can possibly be had by way of a glucose disposal agent (besides temp pump in the mirror)? In an effort to stimulate insulin-like growth factor, my take is the direct synthetic analog isn't the path...best off increasing igf1 downstream of HGH. Price definitely confusing when offered for $20 to retail...used to be generally understood to cost a min of ~$30 to manufacture a purified polypeptide hormone like igf1lr3 at bozo laboratories...not worth playing guinea pig.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Admittedly I’m out of my realm of comfort when it comes to the HGH, peptides and secretagogues of the world. I know enough to be dangerous and am extremely thankful for this place.

I never needed to worry about them because test and Deca did all I could ever ask for (along with some Tren and primo over the years). But as I age and things like healing, metabolism and sleep begin to slow (I’m 48) I’ve become increasingly interested. To your point though Vette, I don’t want snake oil.

The one time I went to purchase scripted HGH, I was ripped off. Been weary of the Chinese stuff and had an RX from my TRT doc but ended up spending a ton of money on semorelin and ipramorelin and not sure it was worth it. The other thing (again) is the traveling for work which makes refrigeration difficult.

I had some mild success with MA’s MK but again, the solvent (especially after the chemo and radiation) really fucked with my gut (my GI tract hasn’t been the same since) but finally have my appetite back but as I’ve bulked my way back from the cancer weight loss, I’ve managed to pick up some fat in my lower 1/3 ab that never happened before and my healing time from intense gym sessions has slowed.

Thus my increased curiosity with this route as a dessert as Cuz so eloquently put it.

I just want to get what I pay for and I’m lucky that I can afford it (for a while anyways) but don’t want to get burned or jam a bunch of worthless insulin needles in me every day.

Pretty convinced I’m going to just roll with the MK capsules with the melatonin. At worst maybe I’ll get some extra sleep and appetite with it

I mean Sil swears by it, what could go wrong?