A.r.t.

[UpstateNY]

Anyone know where I can find more info on A.R.T.? Thanks in advance.

[Doc.Sust]

art has a web site, i dont know it off hand,but id know it is easy to find if you google it use the full words, active release technique, it will list all the available certified practicioners in your area

[oldman]

http://www.activerelease.com/providerSearch.asp


Good luck... ART is great.


~Old

[Doc.Sust]

thanks old man,good info

[smeyers]

A.R.T. is marketed mostly to chiro's. Definatly good stuff, however it can get pricey. If you can find a compatent massage therapist that practices either muscle release techniques: www.mrtherapy.com or Taw's soft tissue release, www.softtissuerelease.com , you'll most likely get the same results for less cost to you.

Dr. Mike Leahy, (chiro), the founder of A.R.T. as well as Michael Young, the founder of Muscle Release Techniques, both gleaned their techniques off of Stuart Taws. Taws actually learned about the technique b/c it's used in Sweedish Osteopathy. Leahy basically took the technique refined it and chopped it up and went the scientific route, trying to market to chiro's and insurance company's......A.R.T. costs in excess of 8k to learn. Young on the other hand added some things that are different than Leahy, and marketed to more the massage crowd, (costs $275 to learn), and Taw's supposidly has refined the technique and made it a lot gentler, (about the same price to learn as Young's).

All this being said, with Leahy going the scientific route, A.R.T. is now being covered by some insurances, wha't's also nice, as Oldman pointed out, they have the network of providers on their site, the other two modalities don't. Also even though with A.R.T. the practitoner doesn't need to work deep to get results, it has been my experience that if you have a decent amount of muscle mass, the deeper the practioner works, (which with certain releases can be uncomfortable......ie, pec minor), I've seen better results.

[Doc.Sust]

A.R.T. is marketed mostly to chiro's. Definatly good stuff, however it can get pricey. If you can find a compatent massage therapist that practices either muscle release techniques: www.mrtherapy.com or Taw's soft tissue release, www.softtissuerelease.com , you'll most likely get the same results for less cost to you.

Dr. Mike Leahy, (chiro), the founder of A.R.T. as well as Michael Young, the founder of Muscle Release Techniques, both gleaned their techniques off of Stuart Taws. Taws actually learned about the technique b/c it's used in Sweedish Osteopathy. Leahy basically took the technique refined it and chopped it up and went the scientific route, trying to market to chiro's and insurance company's......A.R.T. costs in excess of 8k to learn. Young on the other hand added some things that are different than Leahy, and marketed to more the massage crowd, (costs $275 to learn), and Taw's supposidly has refined the technique and made it a lot gentler, (about the same price to learn as Young's).

All this being said, with Leahy going the scientific route, A.R.T. is now being covered by some insurances, wha't's also nice, as Oldman pointed out, they have the network of providers on their site, the other two modalities don't. Also even though with A.R.T. the practitoner doesn't need to work deep to get results, it has been my experience that if you have a decent amount of muscle mass, the deeper the practioner works, (which with certain releases can be uncomfortable......ie, pec minor), I've seen better results.

great info, i have been wanting to learn more about soft tissue work like ART and not pay $8000!!this looks like the ticket! if you had to choose between the 2, which technique taw's or young closely mimics ART? does the patient actively participate in the therapy with muscle movements or are they more of a pasivve technique?

[oldman]

smeyers: Good Info.. thanks for posting.. I actually found the guy that did ART on me to be rather cheap in fact much less than what I thought it might be. $40/30minute session not bad in my book. But I will look also at these others as I am moving soon and will need to keep my options option for a new one.


Thanks

~Old

[smeyers]

Wow, that is a good price. When you move you still might be able to find someone who offers it at a decent price, usually these people are the ones who have just started doing A.R.T. or word of mouth has not spread yet. B/c of the cost to take it some pple want to charge the "appropriate amount" but find out since not a lot of people know about it, (in the states anyway.....sorta popular in Canada after Donovan Bailey credited it to helping him), they really can't, but often times a year or so after word of mouth has had time to do it's thing,....then you'll have the insurance forms and/or bumping up of prices.

[BigJames]

I am considering seeing an ART practioner regarding my Tricep tendonitis...I will let you all know how it goes.

[smeyers]

Doc,

I actually have a response from Young and Taws from how their techniques differ from A.R.T. and their vantage point of why they feel it's better. So I'll try to dig those up, since it was a while back when I talked to them, nothing better than from the horse's mouth. I do remember Young talking about tweaking the active participation on the part of the client and he mentioned that he found something else to work better after trial and error of doing it the same as Leahey, I can't really recall with Taws, I do remember Taws saying that his technique is now a lot gentler and he was talking a lot about Quantum Physics and approaching things from not just a straight mechanical perspective. The best thing I can sort of relate it too is NLP, (neurolinguistic programming), in that it is your intention and how you say things, can make a large difference with your work.

I myself currently just get A.R.T. done b/c of a decent deal with my chiro, but I know many people that have had both A.R.T. and Taw's tech. or A.R.T. and Young's tech. done to them, but no one that has had all three done. That being said I never really asked them in detail about the differences, b/c I was more intrigued by the results, since I didn't want to undergo training that was inferior, (I'm a little bit too stubborn for my own good sometimes). However everyone has assured me that their results have been the same, the major deciding factor was/is the quality of the clinician/practitioner.

On a side note Taws was telling me that there's a lot of buzz in Japan right now about some new "things" (not sure what he meant by that),that are looking extremely promising in the world of pain mangement and could possibly in the future suplant a lot of the current ideas and modalities currenlty out.....so I guess keep your eyes peeled.

Also, there's another interesting soft tissue modality out there, unfortuantely I really don't have any in depth or second hand knowledge of it. It is a little more expensive, I believe 1k-2,500, depending on what you purchase, but nothing like the expense of A.R.T. It is by the the guy who invented the Graston Technique, www.grastontechnique.com ......just more evolved; what I find interesting about it is that sound waves, (like a stethoscope), are used to locate adhesions, then instruments ,(like used with the origonal graston tech. instruements, only supposidely more practitioner and client friendly) are used to break up the adhesions. If it delievers as advertised this modality might have some merit, espeically if manual therapy is a large part of one's practice. Here's the site: www.sastm.com

Another website worth looking into, IMO, is: www.theprrt.com This isn't a soft tissue modality, but is a more of a manual technique for chronic pain. I've always wanted to take the course but it's expensive as well, (but not as much as A.R.T. lol), and I still have another year of school left. I'm most likely bias though, b/c the two people that I've talked too that have had a good amount of sucess with it are PT's, (I'm in school for PTA and looking to go back to PT school in the future), but the theory behind it is definatly intriguing to say the least.

[Doc.Sust]

Doc,

I actually have a response from Young and Taws from how their techniques differ from A.R.T. and their vantage point of why they feel it's better. So I'll try to dig those up, since it was a while back when I talked to them, nothing better than from the horse's mouth. I do remember Young talking about tweaking the active participation on the part of the client and he mentioned that he found something else to work better after trial and error of doing it the same as Leahey, I can't really recall with Taws, I do remember Taws saying that his technique is now a lot gentler and he was talking a lot about Quantum Physics and approaching things from not just a straight mechanical perspective. The best thing I can sort of relate it too is NLP, (neurolinguistic programming), in that it is your intention and how you say things, can make a large difference with your work.

I myself currently just get A.R.T. done b/c of a decent deal with my chiro, but I know many people that have had both A.R.T. and Taw's tech. or A.R.T. and Young's tech. done to them, but no one that has had all three done. That being said I never really asked them in detail about the differences, b/c I was more intrigued by the results, since I didn't want to undergo training that was inferior, (I'm a little bit too stubborn for my own good sometimes). However everyone has assured me that their results have been the same, the major deciding factor was/is the quality of the clinician/practitioner.

On a side note Taws was telling me that there's a lot of buzz in Japan right now about some new "things" (not sure what he meant by that),that are looking extremely promising in the world of pain mangement and could possibly in the future suplant a lot of the current ideas and modalities currenlty out.....so I guess keep your eyes peeled.

Also, there's another interesting soft tissue modality out there, unfortuantely I really don't have any in depth or second hand knowledge of it. It is a little more expensive, I believe 1k-2,500, depending on what you purchase, but nothing like the expense of A.R.T. It is by the the guy who invented the Graston Technique, www.grastontechnique.com ......just more evolved; what I find interesting about it is that sound waves, (like a stethoscope), are used to locate adhesions, then instruments ,(like used with the origonal graston tech. instruements, only supposidely more practitioner and client friendly) are used to break up the adhesions. If it delievers as advertised this modality might have some merit, espeically if manual therapy is a large part of one's practice. Here's the site: www.sastm.com

Another website worth looking into, IMO, is: www.theprrt.com This isn't a soft tissue modality, but is a more of a manual technique for chronic pain. I've always wanted to take the course but it's expensive as well, (but not as much as A.R.T. lol), and I still have another year of school left. I'm most likely bias though, b/c the two people that I've talked too that have had a good amount of sucess with it are PT's, (I'm in school for PTA and looking to go back to PT school in the future), but the theory behind it is definatly intriguing to say the least.

any help you can give me would be appreciated, i9 would like to learn one of the techniques, iwould rather the one that is most similar to actual ART that uses patient participation, please, le me know, if YOU had to chose, whch one would you learn?

[smeyers]

Sorry about the dealy Doc.

I must have erased Taw's response, so I sent him another, a while ago,....he hasn't gotten back to me........but I did find Young's response:

"Thank you for your interest in the Muscle Release Technique and how it
differs from ART. Michael Leahy is the man who teaches ART. He
learned the basics for the work he called ART from the same man I
learned from. That man is Stuart Taws. Michael Leahy was trained
several years before I was and at that time Mr. Taws taught that the
work should be done while the client actively engaged his muscles. By
the time I was trained, Mr. Taws had learned that a passive stretch was
better. I have learned through my experience that since the problem is
tight muscles, it isn't good to have the client actively engage
his already tight muscles while I work. When the client relaxes and
lets me do the work, the results are profound and fast."

So all that being said, A.R.T. (though seemingly more scientific, with all it's protocols), it seems most likely behind Taw's and Young's work. If I personally had too choose, and I'm saving up right now for it, I would go with Taw's. B/c IMO he is the founder, and his work, I would assume, would be at least as good or better than Young's, and I really like the way Taws incorporates protocols, that most wouldn't think which isn't always the case with A.R.T........at least the 3 people that have done it on me, possibly because of the way billing is set up or possibly b/c of Taw's experience

For example, if the patient has LBP, most would think, pelvic force couple, hit the QL's hammies, quads, psoas, glutes, calves, possibly the abs,....... with Taw's he additionally includes a protocol for the lower leg, so that the muscles fire appropriately and the patient has better proprioception, which depending on the problem could be a very minut exaserbating factor, but IMO the more little things you can tie in, the better.

Also, I'm not sure if Taw's covers a plantar fascitis protocol, but if he doesn't, Young sells a DVD focused only on that pathology for $50.

I also remember that both Young and Taw's really endorse Aaron Mattes Active Isolated Stretching, for their client's to do own their own, between sessions. Here's a little info. on that www..aistretch.com/exercises.htm covering the basic theory; and the products on his main website : www.stretchingusa.com
My ART guys talked about stretching with me, but both Young and Taws really push it as a vital comliment to their work.

[smeyers]

Doc,

Sent you a PM

[Doc.Sust]

got it smeyers, i sent you one back,