Shoulder, knee, upper lower back, neck pains read this

[yannick35]

Prolotherapy and the spineforce machine by Huber, if you can find it around your area this is the treatment that should be considered.

Has we get older the ligaments become laxed has tendons do. Most of the times when we get injured the ligament often become laxed, and never regain is strenght, when happens next is a series of chronic pain that never go away.

I have been told by sport medecin, physio and other so called specialist that ligaments and tendons are not important. Theses useless morons with degrees and diploma are just a bunch of low life asssholes that don't want people getting better, and has many crooked chiros do they put you on endless sessions to releive the pain but never get you on your feet.

Prolotherapy, will not cure a hernia, arthritise or degeneration, but what it can do is stabilize the spine, so that the injury does not get worst.

Many so called specialist forget to look at the ligaments and tendons and put there patience on core strenght training. I have done 10 to 15 core training programs, told them that my lower back pain was not getting better, they told me my lower back muscles and abs where weak.

Prolotherapy has help my pelvic stay aligned, after going to a chiro 3 times per week for a year and a half. It has help my neck and upper back pain has well and my snapping hip joint caused by to many adjustments by 2 dumb chiros.

Spineforce machine is like a windsurf machine, the plateau moves and keeps you off balance while you work the bars handles in front of you, by either pulling or pushing, this works the 180 deep core muscles of the spine, abs, lower back and a lot more.

I have done 5 treatments to date, it feeds the blood to tendons, muscles and ligaments and rehydrates the discs.

When working with a trained spine force specialist, he will challenge you and the machine will do the rest.

I am sore has hell now, got my treatment at 11am this morning, my abs, oblique hurt like hell they are sore, but that is a great sign that the machine is doing its job.

Prolotherapy is not recongnized has a type of treatment, so insurance often do not cover it, the injections can be covered but not the treatment.

Spineforce can be covered under physiotherapy.

I have had back pains for almost 8 years now, with the combination of prolotherapy and spineforce i am able to train almost has i did before injury.

I am not done yet i still have some treatments left and they are expensive but its the first time in 8 years that i dont feel like i have been throwing my money off the window for useless treatments.

[collar]

nice post man,
i started looking into these, since you adviced me last time..
hopefully its not so expensive.

[lovbyts]

I found one in my area. I need to call and see if it's covered by my insurance...

[yannick35]

nice post man,
i started looking into these, since you adviced me last time..
hopefully its not so expensive.

I live in Canada, near Montreal, I sort of got introduced to prolotherpy by mistake, I got refered to that clinic because nothing else worked and I was damn near suicidal about it.

That clinic was pain maintenance, and they had this brand new technology that releived chronic back pain called the spine force.

I went for my first exam and my new medical doctor the one that saved my life check my ligament, lower back is finger sank almost one inch into my lower back, with all the chiro adjustments i had been getting true out that one year and a half and everything my pelvic was ajusted sometimes 3 times a week that laxed my lower back ligaments like hell and in time i developped a condition called the snapping hip joint, where my hip snaps when i lift my leg, again caused by chiropratic, can't you tell i hate theses mofos. So i began prolotherapy, my pelvic was so much out of alignement that it took nearly 6 months to correct the situation.

Prolotherapy is a lot more expensive in the US has i have read in a few websites, my treatment cost me 50$ for the doctor visite, and 50$ for the mix

3cc dextrose, 6cc xylocaine, 1cc toradol and some iron supplement.

Now depending on the prolotherapist the mix might be different, but almost 90% of the time dextrose will be in the mix.

So 100$ for my prolotherapy treatment, injections are done on the upper back, traps, lower back , hip joint and got a few in the shoulder.

Spineforce, did 4 treatments with a physiotherapist that showed me how to operate the machine and note my score they cost 70$ per treatment, now i do them alone and its 40$ per treatment.

Most clinic will offer a package deal of 10 treatments for around 700$ again this is at my clinic, i am not aware of the price for spineforce in the US.

I have nothing to gain money wise, marketing or advertisement by sharing my story like this with you guys, i know how it feels to live in pain, and most so called professional out there are incompetent idiots that lie to you all the time, chiros are the worst, they have a response for every question and are masters at keeping you with them.

Theses treatments have helped me a lot, saved my life, and put me back in the gym. again i am not 100% i still have some treatments to do, maybe another 6 months of prolotherapy and around 10-15 sessions of spine force but at least the results are there, and each session the pain is a lot better.

[collar]

I live in Canada, near Montreal, I sort of got introduced to prolotherpy by mistake, I got refered to that clinic because nothing else worked and I was damn near suicidal about it.

That clinic was pain maintenance, and they had this brand new technology that releived chronic back pain called the spine force.

I went for my first exam and my new medical doctor the one that saved my life check my ligament, lower back is finger sank almost one inch into my lower back, with all the chiro adjustments i had been getting true out that one year and a half and everything my pelvic was ajusted sometimes 3 times a week that laxed my lower back ligaments like hell and in time i developped a condition called the snapping hip joint, where my hip snaps when i lift my leg, again caused by chiropratic, can't you tell i hate theses mofos. So i began prolotherapy, my pelvic was so much out of alignement that it took nearly 6 months to correct the situation.

Prolotherapy is a lot more expensive in the US has i have read in a few websites, my treatment cost me 50$ for the doctor visite, and 50$ for the mix

3cc dextrose, 6cc xylocaine, 1cc toradol and some iron supplement.

Now depending on the prolotherapist the mix might be different, but almost 90% of the time dextrose will be in the mix.

So 100$ for my prolotherapy treatment, injections are done on the upper back, traps, lower back , hip joint and got a few in the shoulder.

Spineforce, did 4 treatments with a physiotherapist that showed me how to operate the machine and note my score they cost 70$ per treatment, now i do them alone and its 40$ per treatment.

Most clinic will offer a package deal of 10 treatments for around 700$ again this is at my clinic, i am not aware of the price for spineforce in the US.

I have nothing to gain money wise, marketing or advertisement by sharing my story like this with you guys, i know how it feels to live in pain, and most so called professional out there are incompetent idiots that lie to you all the time, chiros are the worst, they have a response for every question and are masters at keeping you with them.

Theses treatments have helped me a lot, saved my life, and put me back in the gym. again i am not 100% i still have some treatments to do, maybe another 6 months of prolotherapy and around 10-15 sessions of spine force but at least the results are there, and each session the pain is a lot better.

hey bro
thanks for all that info.

I have had my back injury for over five years now and have being going chiro for two years.
hmmmm hearing that chiro is actually causing wear and tear, i really have to sit down and think if its worth going to these guys....

hmmmm mind you he only spends like 10 minutes or so with me.

started off 3 times a week for 6 months.
then went to 2 times a week.

now im going once a fortnight, but hmm i see what your saying.

interesting........

[yannick35]

hey bro
thanks for all that info.

I have had my back injury for over five years now and have being going chiro for two years.
hmmmm hearing that chiro is actually causing wear and tear, i really have to sit down and think if its worth going to these guys....

hmmmm mind you he only spends like 10 minutes or so with me.

started off 3 times a week for 6 months.
then went to 2 times a week.

now im going once a fortnight, but hmm i see what your saying.

interesting........

Chiros are scum bags, after 2 years you are not better are you? sure you are not, you still have pains, they give you temporary relief, but when its not a bone problem, what to do next?.

I have seen so far around 5 chiros they are all the same.

1-Well let me see here, I will take X rays and tell you if i can do something for you or not...........

2-Well i have seen a lot worst then you,,, of course I will be able to treat you

Chiros become defensive when you put them on the spot and ask them questions.

Why does my pelvic keep getting out of alignement

Reply: you should have seen my other patient, is pelvic was far more out of alignement then yours.

True adjustments we will be able to align the pelvic and it will stay there.

And so much more crap just like this, when you start to mention other therapies chiro quickly start to bash them and say they are worthless.

I spoke to my last chiro about the spineforce machine he told me that piece of crap stopped 3 times during the demo we had.

rebuildyourback.com check out this website, there are plenty of articles that prove chiropratic to be useless, and yes adjustments can cause damage to the body.

That is all i have to say about them, pure crap, they make you waste your time, and give you bullshiit answers, when they see its not working instead of refering you to another profession they give you even more adjustments.

My medical doctor who treats my back has done many studies and has seen many patients who even got hernated disc from to many chiro adjustments, lax ligaments and chiro got them worst then they where before.

Dump the chiro, give prolotherapy time to work for you and after a few months of treatment when the ligaments are strong again start working your core on the spineforce. Your subluxation will go away garanteed and for good, you wont have to return every week for a worthless adjustment.

[collar]

hmmm when i think about it, if i move my pelvis back and forward.
I can almost like feel a grinding on my lower back and pelvis, which im so sure i never had before..

so i have feeling it was caused from the chiro to be honest.

im defently going look into these therapies.

[yannick35]

hmmm when i think about it, if i move my pelvis back and forward.
I can almost like feel a grinding on my lower back and pelvis, which im so sure i never had before..

so i have feeling it was caused from the chiro to be honest.

im defently going look into these therapies.

My snapping hip joint was caused by those asshholes, i did not have that before going to the chiro, it came from having to many pelvic adjustments, my hip ligament got laxed has well, and now i have to get prolo for the hip, lower back.

I get really mad each time I think about this really erase chiros from the face of the earth we must

[collar]

hmm its a shame that there are chiros out there and not helping really.
perhaps just causing more damage than good.
shame shame shame.

[lovbyts]

I would say MOST chiros are useless but not all. I have been lucky for the most part and the ones I know dont keep asking me to come back or the ones that have I dont go back to.

I have had times where my back is SCREWED because it's pinched or out of whack for days, usually when this happens it's in the middle of my shoulderblades but 1 adjustment usually fixes it, 2 at the most.

I am also looking into the Prolotherapy /spine force. I still need to call to see if there is a chance my ins will pay for any of this. if not. I dont have the money and wont for quite a while..

Why is it when there is something like this that can really help people they wont cover it? Because even our insurance does not want to CURE us but medicate us.

[yannick35]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybzWwfnqCXo

This is what the machine looks like and a brief explanation on what it does and how it works

http://www.getprolo.com/

Best prolothrapy website on the internet

rebuildyourback article on chiros, guy went there for 10 years imagine.

http://www.rebuildyourback.com/chiropractic/need.php

Spineforce can be covered under physiotherapy at least that is what i fill in my insurance claims with.

Prolotherapy has received very bad press among the medical doctor that recommand against it, they did very small studies (BULL) and found it to have no effect at all. BULL

The mixture can be covered but the treatment is not. It is very important that during the prolotherapy treatment you do not take any anti inflamatory medication, or any pills that might have this effect, because the goal of prolo is to bring inflammation to tendons, ligaments and bring back the natural healing process of the body, collagen fibroblast.

You see when ligaments and tendons get laxed, injured that body will try to fix them for 6 weeks true inflammation, after 6 weeks he just gives up and you start to live with chronic pains.

What the chiro does is adjust the subluxation, puts back the vertebrae in place, but what good is that if the surrounding structure is weak and cannot hold the adjustment in place. This is what happens 99% of the time, this is why you get relief after a chiro adjustment for a few days, sometimes only a few hours, until the vertebra gets back out of alignement again, pulling on weak muscles and tendons and yet causing the subluxation to come back.

Some chiros have exercise program that they give you, but they don't do shit because again the ligaments and tendons are weak, even more weakened by server chiropratic adjustments. So its the one step forward two step back. When this happens, you get desperate and you have the hook in you, the chiro has you for many years now. You get addicted to that weekly adjustment because you know it will bring relief for a certain amount of time.

Most people who quit chiro go to the medical doctor and he gives then anti inflamatory drugs, so its a no win situation.

Most physiotherapist have no way to strenghten the ligaments and tendons so they will say they are useless and you need to train the core muscles around them.

I AM LIVING PROOF THAT THIS IS ALL BULLSHHIT, I HAVE SPENT MY LIFE FROM 2001 TO 2008 GOING TO ONE SPECILIST TO ANOTHER, PHYSIO, MASSAGE, OSTEO,CHIRO, SPORT MEDECINE AND BACK AGAIN.

I WILL SAY THIS ONE MORE TIME, STRENGHTENING TENDONS AND LIGAMENTS IN THE SACROILICA REGION, THE UPPER NECK, TRAPS AND THE LOWER BACK IS THE ONLY WAY THAT THE PAIN WILL GO AWAY.THE SPINE WILL BE STABILIZED AGAIN AND STRONG.

THE SPINEFORCE MACHINE IS THE ONLY MACHINE THAT WORKS 180 DEEP CORE MUSCLES OF THE SPINE, THE PLATEAU MOVES AND YOU NEED TO QUALIBRATE A CIRCLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CONTROL PANEL BY PUSHING AND PULLING ON 2 HANDLE BARS ON THE SIDE. YOU ARE FIGHTING AGAINST BALANCE, BY DOING SO, INCREASING INTENSITY, FORCE AND THE SPEED OF THE PLATEAU, YOUR DEEP CORE MUSCLES BECOME STRONGER, YOUR POSTURE BETTER, AND YOUR SPINE IS STABLIZED. SPINEFORCE REHYDRATES THE DISC OF THE SPINE BECAUSE THE MOTION BRINGS BLOOD TO THE DISCS, ALSO TENDONS AND LIGAMENTS.

[yannick35]

I am gonna set you guys straight and you will thank me for it later. Thank me because you will finally get your lives back and start enjoying the stuff you enjoyed before you where injured.

My girlfriend loves to go for walks, hiking, biking, i could not do this last year, she has been very patient with me. When your boyfriend can do limited activities.

After my first year of prolo treatment (normal in my case because injured for 8 years + all theses worthless chiro adjustments) we went to Quebec city, there are tones of streets with sick incline and we walked all day long, i was sure to pay for it back at the hotel room but i did not, my pain was minimal, i even trained that same night at the hotel gym and felt great.

I cannot do martial arts just yet because i still have a snapping hip joint but that is treated with prolo too. But i can lift weights and do so much more. It feels weird not always cracking myself i am not used to having no upper back pains, neck pains, or lower back pains.

[yannick35]

Also people are not more and more aware that chiropratic never solves there problem, i have spoken to a lot of people that went to a chiro, some for 10 visit and some for a lot more then that.

Everyone i spoke with who had neck pains, lower back pains, shoulder pains and more got relief after the adjustment but the pain always came back.

Some chiro clinic now offer a yearly membership, my medical doctor has called that clinic and reported them to justice. The clinic is now closed. My medical doctor became aware of that clinic when a women came to see him with neck pain due to a slip disc in the neck, she told her about that clinic and that since she was going there the pain was getting worst and about the yearly membership.

My medical doctor actually called the 2 chiros that i went to for a year and a half and told them that he would report them, lets just say they where shittting in there pants.

One of the chiros had to go to the hosptial because he adjusted an old women and broke her ribs.

X rays are always good to prove progress, and the way to make you stand and bent your head shows progress but in fact nothing has changed, because your posture gets back to where it was before.

A chiro is good for one thing, if you are really jammed, you can get one adjustment and there you go, but for chronic pain they are worth nothing.

I make sure to tell people to stay far away from chiro has they can, i have studied my back pain and sometimes i talk to people that have chronic pains without degeneration and hernia so its clear that its a muscle imbalance and ligament issue, chiro cannot help with this.

Another bunch of crooked bastards that i like to expose are the ones at losethebackpain.com many times i have posted on there forum about prolotherapy, EFA supplements, spineforce and much more, to come back and find out my post had been erase, to promote there program and there supplements instead so they are all about marketing, and there program sucks shitt because i tried it and after it did not work they didn't even want to refund me.