My lower back is really bugging me. Also when I wake up in the morning it is very very tight. Are chiropracters the way to go?
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My lower back is really bugging me. Also when I wake up in the morning it is very very tight. Are chiropracters the way to go?
I personally don't believe in them. When my back feels weak, I wear a soft lumbar support even when I sleep.
If you get the right one they can be phenomenal, imho. The one I know does limbs and it's incredible what he can correct.
I think they can offer some temp relief, much like a massage therapist but I wouldn't/don't count on them to actually fix any type of medical condition.
I had severe tendinitis in my knee years ago. I went through the best doc in my area and the most modern therapy to try and solve it, for months. They succeeded in improving it about 50 % but no more. This chiro moved in next door to me and kept telling me he can fix it, yada yada... I finally relented and was amazed. He had his advanced degree and does limbs, not just backs.
He found an imbalance of the pull of the quadriceps muscles on my knee. Within two weeks I was 100% better. He's also helped me with shoulder issues. I rarely see him now as he's in an adjacent state, but when I have an issue I'm there. He also used to work back stage at national level BB'ing contest. Sharp guy.
Moral of the story. Don't write them off. Find the right one.
Thx guys. I'll look up best ones in my areA
I have had mixed experiences with chiropractors but I have had a couple that made a big difference. Look for ones that practice 'applied kinesiology' and preferrably have some background or experience in sports medicine. Another thing that really helped me was getting bodywork done by a good masseuse; I found one that was a registered nurse and certified massage therapist that was terrific.
I have had some good chiro's and a few bad ones. If you can find one that's a massage therapist and a chiro it's a win win situation. My old chiro was both (and she was hot) but she moved out of the area recently and I had to find a new massage therapist (she's hot too) and a chiro that's into MMA. I like them both so far. One of the warning signs about chiro's is when you walk into their office is there a bunch of multi level marketing products they are trying to push,supplements,pillows,back supports and crap like that is usually not a good sign. Also if they spend less than 15-20 minutes adjusting and talking with you about what's going on with your body can be a red flag. As Kelkel mentioned you want someone that does fully body adjustemnts,my guy starts from the feet up every time.
Completely agree I swear by mine for injury prevention. I have been going twice a month for 2 years since I hurt my back haven’t had a problem since I have not been a 100% for this long since I was a teenager they work defiantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
I get lower back pain and upper back gain. Sometimes I walk into his office in 4/10 pain. And I always walk out feeling perfect. My only problem is that it never lasts Things start to get stiff after a week or so. That's with daily stretching and rehab exercises.
I occasionally have SI joint pain, and I can just tell that it's out of alignment. By the time he's done it feels perfect again.
My Chiro also happens to be the biggest guy in my gym and trains like a mofo - so he understands bodybuilders.
I've only used them twice. Once by accident actually.
I was getting ready for a jiu jitsu tournament and I had some pain in my side. Didn't know what it was or why it was there. Was just working through it. Was warming up before my weight class and there was one in the room. He was good friends with the guy who owned the school I trained at. Suggested he take a look at it. I forget what was wrong but it was something like one of my ribs was out of place. He popped it back in and was like a switch was flipped. Pain gone and never returned. No charge on that one.
Lately, I've been experiencing a problem with my lower back. Never had back problems before. Decided to try a chiro who was suggested to me by a good (trusted) friend. Took x-rays and figured out what is wrong. He's been working on it (3x last week) and I've got to go back today. Back is feeling much better but not 100% yet. He's given me stretches for my back and other advice. He is a BBer and does a lot of sports guys.
I think, if you have a REAL problem, you probably need a regular doc. But if it's a minor problem, a good one can probably help.
wife and I swear by ours
I have have a great one, and just use for my lower back. When it goes out I can hardly walk. Have to see him a couple of times and the problem is fixed. He does work out and had his own low back exercise plan for me and it works great. I have not seen him in 2 years now, ironically thanks to him. There are a lot of bad ones out there as well.
The founder of chiropractic manipulation was a magnetic healer - so they have a very strong bond with bullshit.
Chiropractic manipulation does work for certain conditions but i would not recommend anyone to see a chiropractor, because they are taught about mind+body sort pseudoscience biology and they have no real healthcare education.
If you want real help go see a qualified healthcare professional like a physical therapist, they might even crack your back - if its an appropriate method for your condition.
A chiropractor would crack you for no reason at all, even if it would harm you.
And remember do not train for 2 days after chiro manipulation of the back. I learned that, not from the chiro but from orthopedic surgeons and physical therapists that have been treating my three herniated discs.
oh and i have those herniated discs because a chiro told me i had scholeoesis and he was going to fix it, turns out i had disc degeneration not scholeoesis, and it also turned out he was lying since no physical manipulation can effect scholeoesis - it requiers a brace. So either way it was loose loose, he was messing me up, for the wrong reason and even if that reason were true he would still not be helping.
so you see this is why chiros are getting sued in every country, because they dont know what they are doing and tend to **** people up
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if you decide to go see those dangerous scammers, i recommend that you at least dont let them crack your neck - because chances are that you will die.
happy holidays
I had a rib that was out in my back for years. Took forever to figure out what it was and I had several adjustments over the years that usually made it worse or only temporarily better using a couple of different chiropractors for different problems. I found a new one who also did A.R.T. and on my initial examination he mentioned my rib being out of place. He popped it back in with ease and OMG what a difference. Instant relief. It took several more visits to get it to stay in but it has been 99% better for over a year now.Quote:
Originally Posted by NEFLRick
As said, there are some good, some not so good and some who are great.
Seriously??? LOL, obviously you have never looked at the schooling/education that a chiropractor has to go through to be certified.Quote:
Originally Posted by diabeticknowledge
1 – 4 years of pre-requisite training in basic sciences at university level followed by a 4 year full‐time Doctorate program; DC. A 5 year integrated bachelor degree; BSc (Chiro). A 2 - 3 year Masters program following the completion of a bachelor degree; MSc (Chiro).
No less than 4200 student/teacher contact hours.
Not exactly a walk in the park or like getting an online certificate. lol
FYI medical doctors use to regularly use leaches and blood letting to cure people even though more patients died than lived.
sorry but chiropractors signature that a chiropractor is a qualified medical person is not a realistic approach to what should be considered a medical trained person. doesnt matter where or how long you train at pseudo science - it doesnt make you a real medical trained person. i would like to see a chiro professor lecture about the mind-body bond it would be entertaining i suppose.
FYI i have never heard of blood letting by leeches being widely used in the civilized world since before the 18th century.
primitive countries and maybe america use that outdated approach to illnesses, but in the educated world its not used..
"The practice of blood letting has now been abandoned for all except a few very specific conditions.."
wiki
I said they USE to do blood letting and such. Medical science has changed a lot in the last 100+ years. Chiropractic has also changed a lot the past 50 years and yes their training is exactly the same the first few years as any medical student, it's just a different field. There is a lot of real life science/proof behind what they can do to help.
Yes there are a lot of quacks out there but there are a lot of quacks for doctors also. Dont write it off so quickly. I know many people who have been helped and their quality of life greatly improved when a MD couldn't help them at all. I could give a lot of examples but it probably would make no difference to you. Hopefully you will never need one but if you do make sure you find a good one.
pseudoscience is their base, mind-body bond - that hasnt changed. and yes i never denied that it works for some issues, but chiropractors will crack you like a lobster no matter what your issue is - that is why they are certainly not the people to determine if chiropractic manipulation should be applied.
the issue with comparing medical doctors and chiros is that one is trained by healthcare professionals to become a healthcare professional (individuals differ as always) but in the other case you have quacks coaching quacks, there for you can only hope to meet the person (who differs) that has some common sense).
and of course you know someone who has benefits from pysical manipulation, medical doctors rarely treat issues - they treat the results and pain. those are two different fields. your really need to rethink your expectations towards doctors, why on earth would a medical doctor be able to treat anything that belongs under physical therapy? its not their field, and no one claims it is
i do not need a chiropractor, neither does anyone. physical manipulation - cracking my back can releif pain because of my injures, but it will be performed by a real medical trained person, for the reason that it suits my current condition - not because this is the only method they apply. and i recommend you read my comment again, three herniations because i once thought a chiro knew what he was doing - turns out when i met brain&neurological surgeon + orthopedic surgeon that chiropractors dont know shit and caused my injuries with wrong treatment and deception
OK well since YOU have had a bad experience I guess they all must be bad. I'm not sure what state or country you are from but I know where I am from they are trained at the same schools, same teachers and sitting side by side with students who go into the MD field as well as others.
I think your views are slightly biased due to your negative experience. There is most defiantly a need at times for manipulation and I would rather go to someone who is trained in this field than a MD who may be guessing or just give you a pill to feel better.
I had a rib that was out of place in my mid back for several years. Doctors did nothing for it except prescribe pain meds or muscle relaxors. I did physical therapy at 4 differnet places over the years that helped some other minor things but never the pain from the rib. I didnt know it was a rib at the time until I went to a Chiropractor that did A.R.T. and he diagnosed it 10 minutes into the first appointment. After he manipulated my back/rib it went into place and I had instant relieve. It took a couple of months before it stayed 100% and I only went in when it started to bother me. It's been over a year since my last visit.
Again, sorry for your situation and the bad luck of going to someone who was not trained properly but dont throw the baby out with the bath water. I know many people that they have helped who could not get relief from MD for years. I have had 2 back surgeries and non were caused by a chiropractor. It's also more than likely you had prior damage to going to him and maybe it made it worse or maybe it just didnt make it better? Why would you go if there was no issue to start with? I know MD's like to blame some problems on Chiropractors when they know good and well the problem took years to manifest itself to the point of fail and the one instant of a Chiropractor manipulation did little or nothing to make it worse.
I'm not saying that there are not any that are bad and maybe some who have had inadequate training but I think there are a lot more good than bad especially compared to 20yr+ ago. Saying no one needs a chiropractor is taking it a bit if not way to far of a statement IMO.
Again a MD does not treat the same things as physical therapists, why would you even go see one if the nature of your injury is not within medicine to treat.
They prescribe pills, that is all they do - or send you elsewhere to be cut or drugged by some other doctor.
Your rib story doesnt tell much more than that you went and saw physical therapists with little skill, like i say in my comments above i do not deny that manipulation by a chiropractor can be effective in some cases. Why do you think no wellfare-system accepts them in the educated world? because it is result based, their treatment is generally ineffective and/or wrong, and that is why they dont even seek to become part of the system - because they have never shown any results in general treatment of musculoskeletal issues. So again, what ever the manipulation is, if it has proven effect and it is suitable for your condition then a well established pt. would apply that method, there are no other legal therapists in physical manipulation.
Just so you know that the chiro that messed me up is a president of the national chiropractor association, a respected man among chiropractors.
And yes i had prior damage, but bad luck brian(me) went to a ****ing medically incapable person - a chiropractor and expected him to diagnose and treat.
He diagnosed me with scholeoesis (turns out everyone gets diagnoesed like that by those scammers) so wrong diagnosis, wrong treatment, and even the ****ing treatment was wrong if i actually had scholeoses. (sidenote - no chiropractor or physical manipultor has shown any improvements when treating scholeosis)
Of course i went there with an issue, but chiropractors lie and scam. They dont know how to diagnose and they dont know how to treat.
And i repeat, NO ONE needs a chiropractor
Chiropractic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
here, why do you think they are getting sued in every corner of the world? The whole damn article shouts scam scam scam
So all 4 of the PT I saw had little skill? Interesting. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by diabeticknowledge
Really, you are basing this off of the welfare system??
Ok also you are basing it off of Widepedia, I see now. Noted below from the Wikipedia website:
Wikipedia is written collaboratively by largely anonymous Internet volunteers who write without pay. Anyone with Internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia articles.
90% of doctors know nothing about HRT but they pretend they do and typically give BAD advice. 99% of HRT doctors wont prescribe HCG or an AI for men on HRT although it has been proven to be very beneficial.
We can go round and round all day on this. You found a BAD chiropractor. BTW main stream insurance covers chiropractic so that does show they have legitimacy.
I went to go see mine, she sold her practise while i was away. There was a short middle age woman there saying she uses new age treatment with a chiro gun, it does machine ajustments instead of her having knowledge of manual adjustments. I just ended up walking out. That was my bad experience and haven't seen one since.
in 2004 i went and seen this retired chiro who came out of retirement cause his clients begged him. he would use very little adjustments with weird meridian line touching different points of my body pressing on veins etc etc. seemed like hocus pocus, but it worked, he would charge 20 bucks for a visit and if the adjustment or what have you didnt hold you could come back any time that week for a free visit. He would use things like wedges under your hips. Old machines that had rollers on them you would lay on for 30 minutes. I wish i could find out what this style was that he practiced.
That sounds a lot like a few I have seen. I think at least 3 of them have the roller table. It's a good way to loose you up.Quote:
Originally Posted by mockery
I went to one guy who used the gun thingie, didn't like it, it did nothing for me either. It's supposed to hit pressure points but I prefer hands on.
What you describe sounds sort of like A.R.T. Auto Release Therapy. You can do a search to find Chiropractors or PT's that are trained it A.R.T.
The chiro I went to for my back recently has had me on the roller table. At first, it was just painful but it did loosen up my back and I'm now pain free. I love the roller table. Uncomfortable as hell but it did the trick.
I hurt my neck really bad when i was about 16. So bad at times it would paralyze me and sat in a chair for two days with heating pad. It was screwed up for years. In my early 20's someone referred me to an exceptional chiropractor.
It took several treatments, but he told me i had severe damage. He knocked out 85% of the problem. Several years later the nerve in my shoulder stopped firing and could not press a 5 lb dumbbell over my head. My chiro retired, but his son was still in practice. Did not take that many treatments and he gave me some exercises for therapy. Completely brought it back. Good ones are far and few between. Most of them just do a few standard adjustments know matter what the problem is. A good one can be a savior. I asked my chiro why so many just do the same thing, he said they either don't know or are afraid to reach out to do a lot of the adjustments for fear of legal problems, but that is because they are not good enough to do them. Mine did some crazy stuff.
Thanks i will look into this,Quote:
Originally Posted by lovbyts
I have had success with osteo + trigger points (myo). I don't bother with chiro.
fraud they are fraud, i got PRP in the hip due to a labral tear 15mm caused by thoses idiots over adjusting my lower back, and worst the chiro denies it.
Dont waste money on chiros go prolotherapy with sodium morrhuate or whole blood amazing results
Using the same logic. More than one doctor has prescribed the wrong medicine they are all frauds? More than one surgeon has cut off the wrong limb, left surgical equipment in the patient and countless other things so they are all quacks?Quote:
Originally Posted by yannick35
Yeah that would be like saying due to every profession having quaks or poor quality service, every profession is fraudulent in their practices. Although i don't trust any cell phone companies. lol
Chiros are a scam.
This clears everything up, lock the thread, its official.Quote:
Originally Posted by Animal Cracker
PS
granted i would say an equal amount of GP's are scams too.
The reason that the thread doesn't need to continue is because the original poster has already made his decision based on his own evaluation and it was long before all the negative comments and personal experiences of people who have not been able to find a good chiro. 20% in most fields excel beyond the others in a particular field. Otherwise it is like stating all of those including myself who have had great success with the right chiro are just lying. For those who do not like them, keep on with other therapy you prefer.Quote:
Originally Posted by dreadnok89
IMO, if you're waking up with lower back pain, you'd probably benefit more from increasing your hip flexor mobility and training core (planks, one arm farmers walks, and front squats) than you would from a chiropractor. I'm not saying a chiropractor is good or bad, but you should probably understand the mechanics of what pulls on and supports the area you are complaining about first things first before seeking out a controversial treatment.
For back I would say give it a try. For neck I would say f-no. Have you seen how they violently twist the neck, man scary sh*t. haha.
Yeah but it feels SO good afterwards. My wife just had her neck adjusted for the 1st time last week and she says it has not felt that good in years. Now she can go much longer giving me head. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by hellomycognomen
If you trust them to adjust your back, then you can trust them to adjust your neck. It does feel great, feels like endorphins released and a feeling of well being. As we have said, it's all about getting the right one. Unfortunatly, unless you have had experience with a good one it takes awhile to figure out who's good or what good is.
Before I lost my insurance I use to go to a local chiro who practiced sports medicine and he was great. After a good year of tennis elbow, he was able to eliminate it with some special ultra sound machine (forget name - shoots super fast pulses). Also, I tend to get headaches if I don't get my neck adjusted on a regular basis.
My dad use to get migraines due to a pinched nerve in his neck and would come home from work on a regular basis throwing up. After a couple years, he started seeing a chiro who immediately eliminated the issue.
So yes, chiros are legit if you go to one whom knows what they are doing.