Using gear to strengthen rotator cuff

[NicksNotNaked]

Hello,

This may be a dumb question, but I am struggling to get over this injury. I have issues with both rotator cuffs. There is no tear as I had imaging done. I had two orthopedic surgeons view the imagining and they both said the same thing. The rotator cuff just needs to be strengthened. I have been doing PT and avoiding the gym. I have never been good at warming up or focusing on the group of rotator cuff muscles. So this is all on me, and I learned the hard way.

So my question is will using a mild steroid like tbol be helpful as I am focusing on using light weights and sticking to my PT? I would run a low dose prior to the PT.

Thanks in advance.

[kelkel]

Deca
Var
GH

Will help with collagen synthesis. Tbol not so much per my readings. But remember, a test base is always needed.

[NicksNotNaked]

Deca
Var
GH

Will help with collagen synthesis. Tbol not so much per my readings. But remember, a test base is always needed.

I am on TRT as prescribed by my doctor, so test is not an issue.

[kelkel]

I am on TRT as prescribed by my doctor, so test is not an issue.

Deca is a godsend for joints imho. Myself and many others here run it at a low dose alongside our TRT and have for years. Personally I'll run 100-125mgs per week. The only time I come off is for labwork as deca will skew test levels by falsely elevating them if the wrong testosterone testing methodology is used. It will help you.
You can also look into MK-677 (oral GH) via many peptide warehouses. It's a scientifically proven ghrelin agonist and will elevate IGF-1 levels.

google "pubmed mk677" and look at some of the studies.

[NicksNotNaked]

Deca is a godsend for joints imho. Myself and many others here run it at a low dose alongside our TRT and have for years. Personally I'll run 100-125mgs per week. The only time I come off is for labwork as deca will skew test levels by falsely elevating them if the wrong testosterone testing methodology is used. It will help you.
You can also look into MK-677 (oral GH) via many peptide warehouses. It's a scientifically proven ghrelin agonist and will elevate IGF-1 levels.

google "pubmed mk677" and look at some of the studies.

I actually started MK 677 about two weeks ago. I have also tried BPC 157. I have considered running NPP since is leaves your system quicker than Deca.

[kelkel]

I actually started MK 677 about two weeks ago. I have also tried BPC 157. I have considered running NPP since is leaves your system quicker than Deca.

Long term npp will get old fast with daily or eod injections but it is a good idea to initiate it at the same time as deca as a sort of front load while waiting for the slow ester to take effect.

[GearHeaded]

I agree with Kel .
add low dose deca to your TRT protocol.
add 25mg of VAR (6-8 weeks on 4 weeks off, repeat)
add MK677
and a combo of TB500 and BPC

[NicksNotNaked]

I've never ran Deca or NPP before. Do you find you need caber for a low dose, say 100-150 a week? Thanks for the assistance, btw.

[GearHeaded]

I've never ran Deca or NPP before. Do you find you need caber for a low dose, say 100-150 a week? Thanks for the assistance, btw.

most guys don't even need Caber at 500mg a week. its rare to be that prolactin sensitive that you would require it at therapeutic dosages.

[NicksNotNaked]

most guys don't even need Caber at 500mg a week. its rare to be that prolactin sensitive that you would require it at therapeutic dosages.

Cool, thanks. I have blood work coming up in six weeks for my TRT. Would you recommend waiting until after to start the Deca?

[kelkel]

Cool, thanks. I have blood work coming up in six weeks for my TRT. Would you recommend waiting until after to start the Deca?

Yes. Just pull your BW a few weeks early if you can do it.

[Proximal]

I’m sorry to be a party pooper. GH & Kel, you know my background. I would be cautious of an agent that masks any pain symptoms.

If you don’t have pre existing joint issues & are a younger dude, ok, get it - crush it, grind it out, no pain, no gain to the max.

Issues (like RC) & age, tread carefully. You want to know wtf each movement is doing to your respective joint(s).

[Proximal]

Listen to your PT’s (if they’re good).

Ask your md about your acromion classification.

Warm up, stretch & strengthen the RC’’s.

And, above all, avoid the pain. Pain = bad stuff down the line.

[NicksNotNaked]

Listen to your PT’s (if they’re good).

Ask your md about your acromion classification.

Warm up, stretch & strengthen the RC’’s.

And, above all, avoid the pain. Pain = bad stuff down the line.

I agree with you about the drugs masking the pain, however, I've been dealing with it for about nine months. I have imaging that show no tears or anything that can be surgically repaired. I had two surgeons look at them. I have just become frustrated with the PT.

The thought behind using gear was simply to help strengthen the RC muscles. I love the idea of masking the pain so I can get some decent workouts in again, but I'd much rather fix the underlying issue.

Since the RC is a group of muscles, I just thought using something mild (while using my doc prescribed dose of test) may help the muslces get back to where they need to be quicker.

[Proximal]

I agree with you about the drugs masking the pain, however, I've been dealing with it for about nine months. I have imaging that show no tears or anything that can be surgically repaired. I had two surgeons look at them. I have just become frustrated with the PT.

The thought behind using gear was simply to help strengthen the RC muscles. I love the idea of masking the pain so I can get some decent workouts in again, but I'd much rather fix the underlying issue.

Since the RC is a group of muscles, I just thought using something mild (while using my doc prescribed dose of test) may help the muslces get back to where they need to be quicker.

Kel & GH are truly the experts here on if the AAS will help in that department.

My worry is that although pain is a negative, it is alerting you that there is an issue & shouldn’t be ignored or covered up.

If you want to share your RC/shoulder issues that remain despite a negative MRI, I’d be more than happy to help. I am a PT.

[kelkel]

My worry is that although pain is a negative, it is alerting you that there is an issue & shouldn’t be ignored or covered up.

If you want to share your RC/shoulder issues that remain despite a negative MRI, I’d be more than happy to help. I am a PT.

Good advice!

[NicksNotNaked]

Kel & GH are truly the experts here on if the AAS will help in that department.

My worry is that although pain is a negative, it is alerting you that there is an issue & shouldn’t be ignored or covered up.

If you want to share your RC/shoulder issues that remain despite a negative MRI, I’d be more than happy to help. I am a PT.

I appreciate that. I basically have pain in the shoulder when doing a pressing movement. Bench, dumbbells, cable crossovers, seated dumbbell press, etc.

I started with a new PT about two weeks ago and have been doing the instructed exercises every other day. I use 1lb. weights or less while performing the excercises.

I am being told by the PT that I need to strengthen the RC. Which all makes sense, and that is why I inquired about using a mild oral to help strengthen the RC faster while working through PT.

If I massage the tendons in the shoulder, they're very tender. Including the bicep tendon that connects in the front delt. Even curling weight at times becomes painful.

[Proximal]

Pressing movement’s arc of motion generally is where the shoulder impinges the most. I’m a technological idiot or I’d post a pick of the anatomy for you, sorry.

Any exercise that causes you pain in that area should be avoided. There are plenty of alternatives in the gym that will hit your chest & Delts without having to press. I’ve even found chest machines that allow me to adjust my arc of motion so that I could press. You just have to be creative.

The bicep pain is common. For one it is a common site of what is called “referred pain”. That is, the pain starts & is caused at another area, but the pain commonly spreads to certain areas. Or, the bicep tendon which is likely the long head, is pretty fragile as well & also gets impinged in similar exercises.

I would guess that you can curl painlessly when your arm is supported on a bench or machine, that’s because the RC doesn’t have to fight the traction effect unsupported curling has on the shoulder joint. It also happens with labrum tears, but your mri is clear.

There are a ton of ways to strengthen your RC, just google them or go on YouTube, this is an incredibly common issue. Check some out & run them by your PT.

The truly fantastic thing here though is that your mri is negative. You really have no idea how big of a blessing that is.

Be patient with the RC strengthening, be creative with your choice if exercises in the gym. Avoid pain. BTW, curious, how old are you and for how long have you been lifting? And, do you do other sports?

[NicksNotNaked]

Pressing movement’s arc of motion generally is where the shoulder impinges the most. I’m a technological idiot or I’d post a pick of the anatomy for you, sorry.

Any exercise that causes you pain in that area should be avoided. There are plenty of alternatives in the gym that will hit your chest & Delts without having to press. I’ve even found chest machines that allow me to adjust my arc of motion so that I could press. You just have to be creative.

The bicep pain is common. For one it is a common site of what is called “referred pain”. That is, the pain starts & is caused at another area, but the pain commonly spreads to certain areas. Or, the bicep tendon which is likely the long head, is pretty fragile as well & also gets impinged in similar exercises.

I would guess that you can curl painlessly when your arm is supported on a bench or machine, that’s because the RC doesn’t have to fight the traction effect unsupported curling has on the shoulder joint. It also happens with labrum tears, but your mri is clear.

There are a ton of ways to strengthen your RC, just google them or go on YouTube, this is an incredibly common issue. Check some out & run them by your PT.

The truly fantastic thing here though is that your mri is negative. You really have no idea how big of a blessing that is.

Be patient with the RC strengthening, be creative with your choice if exercises in the gym. Avoid pain. BTW, curious, how old are you and for how long have you been lifting? And, do you do other sports?

I have been lifting on and off since I was 19, and I'm 33 now. I have been seriously and consistently lifting for the past 2.5 years. I no longer participate in any other sports.

Once I was placed on TRT my strength started to go up quite quickly. My test levels were so low prior to TRT I could no make any gains in the gym. I probably started pushing myself too hard too quickly, and as a result, I'm dealing with these injuries.

I'm certainly not looking to mask all the pain, but I am going crazy not being able to get a proper workout in. I will continue with the PT and slowly introduce heavier weight as my body allow I suppose.

[trt]

Deca is a godsend for joints imho. Myself and many others here run it at a low dose alongside our TRT and have for years. Personally I'll run 100-125mgs per week. The only time I come off is for labwork as deca will skew test levels by falsely elevating them if the wrong testosterone testing methodology is used. It will help you.
You can also look into MK-677 (oral GH) via many peptide warehouses. It's a scientifically proven ghrelin agonist and will elevate IGF-1 levels.

google "pubmed mk677" and look at some of the studies.

How long after you come off deca before you do blood work?

[kelkel]

Taking time off depends on the testosterone testing methodology. If you use ECLIA then you need to come off. Normal for me would be about 3 weeks. If you use the LC-MS/MS then results will not be skewed.