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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    Dang, Prox, thanks for your work here! Man, it makes me feel SOME better about these knees of mine.

    I have to admit, it took me longer than I want to say to understand what you meant by 'I kept my hips post surgery'. You mean that literally, you have your old hips in like a glass jar by the door or something?
    In a baggie in my closet. My students get a kick out of them.

    About your meniscus, if you have a menisectomy, they will remove the torn piece. Quick recovery, plus itís possible most of your pain was caused by this, so after a little rehab, youíll be feeling great.
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    Saw the surgeon today. We are going to do some watchful waiting. Doc was good. Said my fracture could just be a contusion (kind of like a bruise, I gather). Gave me the details on surgery and said that alternately, I could try a neoprene sleeve for a while (as a 'it might help' type of thing).

    I have laid off the squats, deadlifts and any even medium impact training for two weeks and the knee feels much better. I'm going to gradually start working those back in to see where the pain becomes a problem. I will decide at that time if I want to do surgery or not.

    I have follow up with the surgeon in 6 weeks to see where we stand. In the meantime, would it make sense to start the TB / BPC combo? I was going to wait until after surgery, but if I don't end up doing surgery, I still want to run it. Would running it now for like 4 weeks and then running it again in 6 weeks post surgery be a problem?
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    That’s a Kel question, but if I may ask, what is the reasoning in putting off the menisectomy, the meniscus can’t heal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    That’s a Kel question, but if I may ask, what is the reasoning in putting off the menisectomy, the meniscus can’t heal?
    We are trying to determine if I can live with it by cutting back some on activity, like not squatting, deadlifting, biking, jogging and kickboxing all in the same week. That isn't my norm but is kind of where I was at when the problems started.

    So, if I can get to some acceptable level of exercise on a weekly basis, like maybe I can alternate squat week vs deadlift week, not bike the same week I kickbox*, or maybe sub in some exercises like Gallowere suggested, then I will pass on the surgery. I went under the knife for the first time a year ago and really don't want to just yet. I will if I need to, though. Hell, maybe now is the time for me to start training more like a body builder.... nah!

    But my guess is that I will likely end up having the surgery, if not soon then in a year, more or less. I just want to get back into condition for a minute before I do.

    * = 'kickbox' and 'kickboxing' is being very loose with the term. I have a 150lb hanging bag. I punch it. Sometimes, I kick it. I am not graceful. Do not think Jean Claude Van Damme in 'Kickboxer'. Think Ernest in 'Ernest Goes to Jail'.
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    Envious, can’t kick anymore due to the hips. Loved it in my 40’s.

    Sounds like a solid plan. Looking forward to updates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    Saw the surgeon today. We are going to do some watchful waiting. Doc was good. Said my fracture could just be a contusion (kind of like a bruise, I gather). Gave me the details on surgery and said that alternately, I could try a neoprene sleeve for a while (as a 'it might help' type of thing).

    I have laid off the squats, deadlifts and any even medium impact training for two weeks and the knee feels much better. I'm going to gradually start working those back in to see where the pain becomes a problem. I will decide at that time if I want to do surgery or not.

    I have follow up with the surgeon in 6 weeks to see where we stand. In the meantime, would it make sense to start the TB / BPC combo? I was going to wait until after surgery, but if I don't end up doing surgery, I still want to run it. Would running it now for like 4 weeks and then running it again in 6 weeks post surgery be a problem?

    Definitly can help. I ran them both when healing up from my shoulder tear and feel that it helped. Then again, I was using the kitchen sink to help heal. Meaning those two items as well as GH and low dose deca . I still will use BPC if / when I feel anything odd in my shoulder. It's going to help with ligaments, tendons, cells.

    BTW cylon I had the Zilretta injections on Tuesday. Painless even though they shoved in about 3+ cc's of Lidocain followed by 5 cc's of the Zilretta. Amazing difference in one day. Feel like new knees. Had to skip leg day that day so we'll see how it goes next week.

    Re your comment about deads / squats in the same week. Back when I used to deadlift I would normally alternate weeks. Heavy squats one week, deads the next. Never felt my lower back needed that much stress especially when we all have a back day as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    Envious, can’t kick anymore due to the hips. Loved it in my 40’s.

    Sounds like a solid plan. Looking forward to updates.
    Oh no, don't be. It really isn't pretty. Well, the occasional front snap kick isn't AWFUL, but the side kicks are about as graceful (and likely as effective) as goose sh!t on a shingle. So I punch WAYYYYYY more. Good workout though.

    This is my current setup, though I may move the bag hanger to the front chin up bar when I am using the bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Definitly can help. I ran them both when healing up from my shoulder tear and feel that it helped. Then again, I was using the kitchen sink to help heal. Meaning those two items as well as GH and low dose deca . I still will use BPC if / when I feel anything odd in my shoulder. It's going to help with ligaments, tendons, cells.

    BTW cylon I had the Zilretta injections on Tuesday. Painless even though they shoved in about 3+ cc's of Lidocain followed by 5 cc's of the Zilretta. Amazing difference in one day. Feel like new knees. Had to skip leg day that day so we'll see how it goes next week.

    Re your comment about deads / squats in the same week. Back when I used to deadlift I would normally alternate weeks. Heavy squats one week, deads the next. Never felt my lower back needed that much stress especially when we all have a back day as well.
    Damn, that must have looked like they put a ping pong ball in your knee. Good to hear that it helped though and I will bring it up with the doc, depending.

    And yeah, I have switched to alternating weeks for squats and deads in the past, will likely try that in the short term to see where the breaking point is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    Damn, that must have looked like they put a ping pong ball in your knee. Good to hear that it helped though and I will bring it up with the doc, depending.

    I was worried about the volume as well. Ortho laughed and said the knee would hold 100 cc's. Shocked me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    Oh no, don't be. It really isn't pretty. Well, the occasional front snap kick isn't AWFUL, but the side kicks are about as graceful (and likely as effective) as goose sh!t on a shingle. So I punch WAYYYYYY more. Good workout though.

    This is my current setup, though I may move the bag hanger to the front chin up bar when I am using the bag.

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    Sweet setup!

    I was a bit awkward with my kicks, but like you had a nice front kick.

    I liked using a Thai bag. Low kicks were much better for me.

    Loved punching, had nice hand speed & was getting proficient with elbows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    Sweet setup!

    I was a bit awkward with my kicks, but like you had a nice front kick.

    I liked using a Thai bag. Low kicks were much better for me.

    Loved punching, had nice hand speed & was getting proficient with elbows.
    Yeah, this is the rest of my setup. Took a little bit to get it all together but I had the climber for YEARS and the treadmill we bought for the wife, though I use it occasionally too. Putting it all together reminds me of a line from the first 'Mad Max' movie: 'it just happened, Max, a p-p-piece from here, a p-p-piece from there' or something like that.

    BTW, it is almost never this well organized, though it is a little messy even here. Anyhow, I finally got all this together, then had hernia surgery. After I got over that, I had about 3 months before the knee started acting up. Kind of a bummer but I have a plan for going forward so its all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I was worried about the volume as well. Ortho laughed and said the knee would hold 100 cc's. Shocked me.
    Whoa! 100 ccs WOULD look like a grapefruit! :O BTW, it sounds like you have a good relationship with your ortho... that has to be handy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    Yeah, this is the rest of my setup. Took a little bit to get it all together but I had the climber for YEARS and the treadmill we bought for the wife, though I use it occasionally too. Putting it all together reminds me of a line from the first 'Mad Max' movie: 'it just happened, Max, a p-p-piece from here, a p-p-piece from there' or something like that.

    BTW, it is almost never this well organized, though it is a little messy even here. Anyhow, I finally got all this together, then had hernia surgery. After I got over that, I had about 3 months before the knee started acting up. Kind of a bummer but I have a plan for going forward so its all good.

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    Nice workout room! I’m likely going to retire next year & have been contemplating putting something in the home.

    Haven’t had the pleasure of a hernia yet, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    Whoa! 100 ccs WOULD look like a grapefruit! :O BTW, it sounds like you have a good relationship with your ortho... that has to be handy!
    He's a good guy. It's my relationship with my Uro that's enviable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cylon357 View Post
    Yeah, this is the rest of my setup. Took a little bit to get it all together but I had the climber for YEARS and the treadmill we bought for the wife, though I use it occasionally too. Putting it all together reminds me of a line from the first 'Mad Max' movie: 'it just happened, Max, a p-p-piece from here, a p-p-piece from there' or something like that.

    BTW, it is almost never this well organized, though it is a little messy even here. Anyhow, I finally got all this together, then had hernia surgery. After I got over that, I had about 3 months before the knee started acting up. Kind of a bummer but I have a plan for going forward so its all good.

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    My basement gym's a mess but it's where I live. Pic doesn't show a seated calf machine and Icarian single leg curl machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    He's a good guy. It's my relationship with my Uro that's enviable.
    ...to say the least!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
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    Is he gentle and caring?

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