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    Possible rods in shins and shoulder surgery

    Ive had shin splints my entire life and i just got my MRI results back and my bones in my shins are breaking down faster than they can heal and the doc said i may need possible rods put in me if physical therapy doesnt help anymore. Could this be related to steroid use ? i know ive had them for some time but ive never been told i need rods. He also thinks im vitamin d defficent but i drink around 2 gallons of whole milk a week (took blood test today). Plus daily vitamins. (had shin splints without ever cycling before i might add). He also said hes worried about something called compartment syndrom or something (fluid build up in shins) but overall was not happy with my MRI he said. Hes going to consult the radiologist for more info. I have not told him im on a cycle. Im worried if that goes in my chart itll inhibit me from joining the military.

    Secondly, around 2 months ago i was on incline bench with 95 ib dumbells doing chest and i kicked them up to high and he thinks i may have dislocated my shoulder and the nerves around it became pinched explaining my pins and needles in my hand and numbness in my thump when lifting (imagine on incline bench and your arm is at 90 degree angle but the dumbbell was pulling my arm behind my head/back and i held onto it for took long before dropping it, ouch). I get pain through my arm above the elbow in tricep area and now its extended to shoulder area and back left shoulder blade. I feel irratation when i turn my steering wheel. I had pins and needles in my right arm also but that seemed to correct itself. I stoped lifting heavy and took it easy on chest for around a month but i went heavy again as i felt better and it imidiately flared up ( left arm only). He told me also he thinks i tore something in my should/back i cant remember the name, he threw a lot of information at me at once. He doesnt want me doing much upper body anymore but i cant really do that. There was no MRI done of my arm so im not sure if the diagnose is correct. I felt pretty bad pain on sunday ( i also may have been dehydrated which could have made it worse?) when doing flys and the pain was throughout my arm and if i were to cross my left arm over my chest, my left upp pec area hurt pretty badly, near shoulder and sometimes when i take deep breaths. I quit that day and took yesterday off and it feels alot better but still irrated. I was doing flys with 70 ib dumbbells i dont know if im going too heavy or not. Im going to try and take advil and see how i feel when i lift today.

    Please give me some opinions or ask me anything you think i may have forgotten to mention

    Current cycle, Test p 300 mg a week, tren a 300 a week, mast p 300 a week, anavar 700 a week, winny 350 a week, proviron 175 a week.

    I really cant stop training for the military, it would be a waste of this cycle.

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    I have recently had a compartment syndrome worry.

    My issue was not like shin splints. Shin splint are a dull hurt. This was a fiery burn on the surface.
    I finally busted the muscle open as best I can tell and the pain is gone. Basically compartment syndrome is just not enough room for the muscle and the nerve. There is acute and chronic compartment syndrome.

    If the mri revealed the bones are thinning/becoming less dense, I doubt its compartment syndrome.

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    Btw how many cycles have you done? Are you on trt?

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    Here's my two cents. For reference, I spent the last 2.5 years doing rehabilitation from an injury.

    - Don't use Advil, use Acetaminophen, Naproxen, or Diclofenac

    - Start taking Glucosamine Sulfate.

    - Throw Winny out the window. Wouldn't use any oral steroids if you are taking painkillers every other or every day.

    - Use a sports rehabilitation therapist, not a basic physiotherapist - they have a more involved understanding of anatomy+range of motion as it pertains to weightlifting

    - Look into deep tissue massage, saunas, hot tenz, and dry needling as supplemental treatment (based on assessment from Sports Rehab Therapist). You need as much blood flow stimulation as possible to the affected areas.

    - Right down everything that you put into your mouth. Tons of foods + some derivatives of vitamins can cause inflammation which will only compound your issue by having extra fluid retained. Substitute or eliminate foods one by one to determine anything problematic.

    - 2 Gallons of whole Milk in 1 week is roughly equivalent to 8000IU of Vitamin D - no where close to enough for an athlete. I do 4000IU per day just from supplementation and I am someone who is Vitamin D deficient and many people will go higher. In other words, your milk consumption would give you "enough" vitamin D for 2 out of 7 days a week.

    - There is not a one size fits all test. Bone Scan will show bone mass and density (not an MRI), X-Ray will show broken bones/joints, MRI will show tumors and other abnormalities, bloodwork will determine deficiencies, etc


    If I was in your shoes I would fix the issues rather than trying to train through all the issues. You could easily turn a temporary problem into a permanent problem, then you won't even be able to qualify for the military. A wasted cycle is nothing compared to a permanent problem that could prevent you from training for the rest of your life.
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    I think I am going to start supplementing vitamin d...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    I think I am going to start supplementing vitamin d...
    Vitamin D behaves more like a hormone than a vitamin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Vitamin D behaves more like a hormone than a vitamin.
    I used it for a time but forgot all about it. Definitely need to give it a go again.

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    Thanks Obs, i am not on trt, i obtain my test from DNM. This would be my second cycle.

    He was showing my my mri and maybe he said acute compartment syndrome possibly i dont remember he threw alot at me. I will ask when i get results about vitamin d labs. When i run, my shins throb and if i plant my foot completely flat after running a bit, it feels like my tendon or somthing in the shin area is going to tear. i have to walk with a bent knee/ on my toes in order to not feel that.
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    Whats the difference from taking advil compared to those others you mentioned?

    I actually only have a few days worth left of orals i will stop.

    I think my therapist is for sports. When i went in for my shins they were moving my legs all around checking flexibility, range etc.

    MY trainer said messages could worsen an injury/flair it up. I love getting them but was shocked to hear that from him. Whats your thoughts on his opinion?

    I tend to eat healthy i have no macros but i dont eat fast food (maybe once in a month but i just know its not good so i stay away). I just started drinking green smoothies, i was told that could really help me. What types of foods should i stay away from?

    Would you recomend me picking up from vitamin d suppletments? Im also taking calcium i was told thats good for bones.

    Can a mri do bone scans? my legs were in the mri for 40+ mins. The first thing the doc told me was my bones were breaking down and showed me on the screen.

    I have cut back significantly on training even before this information from doc because of pain/irratation. Pain was worse its ever been on sunday. I agree with what your saying appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 432bniatnuof View Post
    Thanks Obs, i am not on trt, i obtain my test from DNM. This would be my second cycle.

    He was showing my my mri and maybe he said acute compartment syndrome possibly i dont remember he threw alot at me. I will ask when i get results about vitamin d labs. When i run, my shins throb and if i plant my foot completely flat after running a bit, it feels like my tendon or somthing in the shin area is going to tear. i have to walk with a bent knee/ on my toes in order to not feel that.
    I dont recommend it to people not on trt but nandrolone is proven to increase bone density. It is used to treat elderly women with osteoperosis.

    It is a powerful anti inflammatory as well. Without it I have to get cortisone injections in my knuckles but on a low dose of 150mg a week with trt my arthritis is almost non existant.

    Your pain sounds familiar. I had days where walking 100ft would give me shin splints. I might advise arch support inserts. Dont go cheap.

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    Part of my issue has been the added mass I have thrown on my body. When you spend most of 30 years with your boddy accustomed to certain tasks at a certain weight and you throw in 60lbs of mass, you become a beefy cow trying to move like you always did and it does not work.

    I still cant get my mind to comprehend that I cannot jump down off my truck without hurting myself. If you beef up anything too quickly, especially a dense muscle like in you shins and calves, there will be accomodation struggles. Gear in general has given me unexplainable painful pumps in nearly all groups with very little work.

    I will try to find my compartment thread and bump it. Before I got any better I was beginning to think it was a nerve in my knee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 432bniatnuof View Post
    Whats the difference from taking advil compared to those others you mentioned?

    I actually only have a few days worth left of orals i will stop.

    I think my therapist is for sports. When i went in for my shins they were moving my legs all around checking flexibility, range etc.

    MY trainer said messages could worsen an injury/flair it up. I love getting them but was shocked to hear that from him. Whats your thoughts on his opinion?

    I tend to eat healthy i have no macros but i dont eat fast food (maybe once in a month but i just know its not good so i stay away). I just started drinking green smoothies, i was told that could really help me. What types of foods should i stay away from?

    Would you recomend me picking up from vitamin d suppletments? Im also taking calcium i was told thats good for bones.

    Can a mri do bone scans? my legs were in the mri for 40+ mins. The first thing the doc told me was my bones were breaking down and showed me on the screen.

    I have cut back significantly on training even before this information from doc because of pain/irratation. Pain was worse its ever been on sunday. I agree with what your saying appreciate it.
    The differences are all with mechanism of action and the pharmacokinetics of each - Advil is the worst option for the type of injury you have in my opinion and from the feedback I got from my rehab team.

    You should get a blood test ti check d-hydroxyvitamin D levels as well as calcium. Calcium + Vitamin D + Vitamin K2 is the triset required to maintain bone health, either all 3 are taken or none at all. If you only take calcium by itself for example then you will have calcium in your blood instead of bones (K2 is the shuttler to get it into the bones). Calcium build up in blood leads to thickening of the wall and eventually heart attack or CVD.

    The type of therapist I was referring to is a specialty branch, similar to how a cardiologist would specialize in the heart compared to a family doctor. I don't know how training and certifications work where you live but here it's a lot of extra work and maybe 5% of the physiotherapists have the specialty excluding the private ones dedicated to sports teams. Checking flexibility and range has nothing to do with the specialty certifications, that's just common practice. You need to find out exactly the type of physiotherapist you have and spend time locating the correct one.

    The first physiotherapist I saw was an occupational-specific physiotherapist and he misdiagnosed me because his field was work-related injuries, I wasted half my insurance money and so much of time with no improvement until realizing what the root cause of the issue is. You don't want to be shooting yourself in the foot 6 months later wondering why you haven't gotten any major improvement because you didn't take 5 minutes to find out the persons specialty or take an hour to find the best person available in your area to treat your injury.

    Your trainer is a bit of a monkey for making a generic statement like that - there are many variables, more importantly the root cause of the injury and the type of massage that is performed. That's why it's dependent on the assessment from the physio. A simple example would be that deep tissue massage could antagonize the issue but a hot stone massage could improve it by heating the area and stimulating blood flow and localized sweating to help decrease waste (not saying this is what you should do just a generic example).

    The nutrition portion is all about trial and error and being in tune with your body. Everyone is difference which is why there is no cookie cutter solution for nutrition, injuries, training etc. You are going to have to go one by one for food and probably in your best interest to start a journal or spreadsheet to keep track of everything. It's a long and tedious process that's necessary for longterm health. Don't expect to have it done in a month or two. You are probably best starting off with either cruciferous vegetables, dairy, or gluten as those are statistically the most popular.


    MRI has nothing to do with bone density scans - completely different tests.

    The last recommendation I have to is dump as much free as possible time into the education portion and don't guess/assume anything - as well keep in mind the people helping you are only as good as the information you provide them. Pain, range of motion, flexibility, are all subjective feelings. In one of the Q&A sessions during an assessment I was asked a lot of general health questions - I THOUGHT I was healthy excluding bodyweight but was just guessing really since I hadn't done a full blast of testing in a while. At one point I decided to get bloodwork done. This lead to the discovery of calcium+Vitamin D deficiency - that lead to getting a bone density scan - that lead to my research on Vitamin K2 and it's importance on calcium+Vit D supplements and being pre-osteoporosis.
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    I would try deca but i do not want to carry water and im gyno prone too. Already had a scare with tren /test. I would love to check out that thread. I canot view profiles for some reason so you will have to bump it. Thanks
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    Thanks man i appreciate the feedback. Ill deffinetly check out those supplements. Ill post again on here when i find out about vitamin d levels and any more unknown information.

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    http://forums.steroid.com/injuries-r...-syndrome.html

    I didn't get much results from accupuncture but it made my pain different.

    I pound my calves and side shins with my fists after calf raises. It hurts but it helped

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    Very interesting read, has me worried like fuck. I dont think i experience the same pain but pain level from 1-10 would be 6-8 depending on what im doing. I went to a football game last friday and had to walk 15 mins and i literally had to stop because my shins were throbbing and felt extremely tight w pain. Appreciate you sharing thread.

    Would a MRI show if i had it? the doctor said he was going to talk to the radiologist or whoever specializes in MRI to see what he thinks (general subject not specifically comparment syndrom).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 432bniatnuof View Post
    Very interesting read, has me worried like fuck. I dont think i experience the same pain but pain level from 1-10 would be 6-8 depending on what im doing. I went to a football game last friday and had to walk 15 mins and i literally had to stop because my shins were throbbing and felt extremely tight w pain. Appreciate you sharing thread.

    Would a MRI show if i had it? the doctor said he was going to talk to the radiologist or whoever specializes in MRI to see what he thinks (general subject not specifically comparment syndrom).
    As far as I know they do a needle test to measure internal pressure to check for compartment. I didnt have it done but mine is basically better.
    I feel I just needed to rip the fascia.

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    once i get more information, ill bring this up to my therapist/doctor and see what they think about doing that. Injuries suck man. And did i read this correctly, you can lose your leg if not treated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 432bniatnuof View Post
    once i get more information, ill bring this up to my therapist/doctor and see what they think about doing that. Injuries suck man. And did i read this correctly, you can lose your leg if not treated?
    Yes but I believe that is in extreme cases of acute compartment syndrome which you most likely dont have. Once it starts it basically smothers the muscle to death. Be sure you can move your foot in all directions.

    You most likely would have chronic compartment which is usually due to athletic exertion.

    It the future I wold recommend rolling and massage to stretch the fascia.

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    Thanks man, i usually notice a huge difference when i use my roller before i run. I literally roll my entire leg from knee to foot. But doesnt solve the issue 100%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    http://forums.steroid.com/injuries-r...-syndrome.html

    I didn't get much results from accupuncture but it made my pain different.

    I pound my calves and side shins with my fists after calf raises. It hurts but it helped
    Forgot about accupuncture.

    I didn't have any luck with acupuncture but I did have success with dry needling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Forgot about accupuncture.

    I didn't have any luck with acupuncture but I did have success with dry needling.
    Dry needling is much more intimidating. Never tried it.

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