Clen/T3 Cutting Cycle...

**Jack87** · 12-09-2004, 12:41 AM

This is a 6 week cycle:

Clen is taken 1 week on / one week off:

As in my experience it is more effective this way:

A mild anabolic of 50mg of Winstrol ED, Anavar at
40mg ED or Test Prop at 50mg ED or 100mg EOD is
recommended to preserve muscle lose and fight of
a catabolic state that T3 can cause. You could also
use longer ester testosterone , but they will take much
longer to kick in to be effective.

Start T3 at 50mcg as any lower makes no sense since
your body should be producing between 20mcg-25mcg
daily naturally... Clen doses use as a guideline along with
the T3 doses, everyone has different tolerances for both,
but this is was very effective for me...

You can use a simple ECA stack during your off weeks in the
place of Clen if you want to help with the fat burning progress...
Your diet should be fairly high in protein, moderate carbs with
no sugars and moderate fat intake... You may also want to add
a source of EFA's like a flax seen oil to your diet during this time...
Also Clen is known to cause alot of muscle cramping... Also I start
off week three at the same dose I finished with at the end of week
one... Again all depends on your tolerance to the drug, you may
want to start a little lower for a few days before going right back
to your maximum dose.

Drink more water along with taking extra minerals and potassium
and 2-3 grams ED of the amino acid L-Taurine is recommended if
cramping is really a problem... Also take your Clen and T3 in two
divided doses during the day... Also to give you an idea my daily
calorie intake was probably about 1,000 to 1,200 lower then normal
for this entire time...

BTW when I ran this cycle I was running 900mg week of Test Cyp
as my only anabolic right at the end of a bulking cycle... My results
is I went from a chunky, but thick as a bull 240lbs to a fairly hard 212lbs
or so in only 6 weeks... Again adjust the doses to fit your tolerance...
At these doses you will be sweating and hot all day long... Plan on
losing some muscle mass even with the anabolics...

Day 1 Clen 60mcg / T3 50mcg
Day 2 Clen 60mcg / T3 50mcg
Day 3 Clen 80mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 4 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 5 Clen 100mcg / T3 75mcg
Day 6 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
Day 7 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
Day 8 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day 9 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day10 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day11 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day12 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day13 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day14 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day15 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day16 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day17 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day18 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day19 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day20 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day21 Clen 120mcg / T3 125mcg
Day22 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day23 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day24 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day25 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day26 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day27 Clen off / T3 125mcg
Day28 Clen off / T3 100mcg
Day29 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
Day30 Clen 120mcg / T3 100mcg
Day31 Clen 120mcg / T3 75mcg
Day32 Clen 120mcg / T3 75mcg
Day33 Clen 120mcg / T3 75mcg
Day34 Clen 120mcg / T3 50mcg
Day35 Clen 120mcg / T3 50mcg
Day36 Clen off / T3 50mcg
Day37 Clen off / T3 50mcg
Day38 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day39 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day40 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day41 Clen off / T3 25mcg
Day42 Clen off / T3 25mcg

**Jack87** · 12-09-2004, 12:44 AM

Other opinions are welcome as T3 is ran a number of ways...
I've used the 1mcg per pound of bodyweight method also and
other methods... I've also been told tapering is not necessary
at all with T3 from someone that dealt with a endocrinologist, so
there are a number of different takes on this... But this cycle
worked quite well for me...

For those wondering about a PCT for T3 cycles as is often talked
about I did use a Guggulsterone product for 2 weeks after just for
peace of mind and to help stimulate natural thyroid production to
some extent.. Not sure how much it really helps, but better to be
safe and cover all your bases...

Yes I did lose some muscle, but not much and overall lost about
1" off my arms in the process and over 4" off my waist with very
little lost in muscle, even though I felt flat and a little weak after
6 weeks of cutting carbs in half and T3 has that effect anyway...
Makes me feel weaker within 1-2 weeks of starting to use it...

**dtr98** · 12-09-2004, 12:46 AM

hey buff, see you're over here to, just starting cycle and was thinking of giving it a try, will post on other board also

**Jack87** · 12-09-2004, 01:04 AM

You should be happy with the results... Just gauge your tolerance
and you'll be fine along with keeping your diet in check and bust your
ass in the gym.... I don't lie or bull**** numbers... I lost some muscle
on this cycle true, but the results are just as good as anything else
you could expect from anything else if you do it right....

Originally Posted by dtr98

hey buff, see you're over here to, just starting cycle and was thinking of giving it a try, will post on other board also

**dtr98** · 12-10-2004, 07:43 AM

thanks buff, i 'm using your cycle

**ACESUP** · 12-12-2004, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by dtr98

thanks buff, i 'm using your cycle

HOW MUCH T3 AND CLEN IN ML PER DOSE

**dtr98** · 12-12-2004, 09:51 PM

depends where you get it from, it will say on the bottle. mine is clen -100mcg per ml, t3-100mcg per ml

Originally Posted by ACESUP

HOW MUCH T3 AND CLEN IN ML PER DOSE

**L-carnatine** · 02-10-2005, 08:12 PM

i want to get cut and not lose muscle what should i do whats recomended without the use of androgenic /anabolic gear mabie cyto ( scared of using) clen (used it before but i dont know if the right way)

**L-carnatine** · 02-10-2005, 08:44 PM

what is e/c/y

**Jack87** · 02-11-2005, 04:10 AM

E/C/Y is a ephedrine, caffeine, yohimbine HCL stack for fat burning...

Originally Posted by L-carnatine

what is e/c/y

**Jack87** · 04-04-2005, 07:39 PM

Just bumping this to the top with a few pics...
Meant to add pics to this when I first posted it...

So incase this question ever comes up?? Buffy does this
stack really help burn BF% if my diet and training are in check..

The 240lb Pic was at the peak of my bulking phase, Yes I was
carrying way to much BF% but that was the plan at the time
and the 215lb pics are a short time later... And yes I swear the
timelines are 100% accurate and true... And done right this is
what a Clen /T3 cycle can do if you bust your ass the right way..

**Jack87** · 06-13-2005, 12:29 PM

A shameless bump...

Since Clen /T3 questions seem to come up all the time...

**rocky1388** · 06-23-2005, 07:12 PM

this answered all the questions i was looking for i liked the way you broke it up into 6 weeks and how etc.. thanks alot i think im going to start this cycle thanks buff

**BuildaBeast** · 07-12-2005, 11:02 AM

Buff87

Could someone use this even without taking anyting else. I'm at 235 and want to trim down to 210-215 in a short amount of time.

Thakns

**Jack87** · 07-13-2005, 09:53 AM

You can, but T3 is going to burn muscle as well as bofyfat, so that's why
it's a good idea to always run some sort of anabolics along with it...
Even with anabolics you'll lose some muscle with T3 at higher doses...
I'd suggest you run at the very least a mild anabolic with it...

Originally Posted by BuildaBeast

Buff87

Could someone use this even without taking anyting else. I'm at 235 and want to trim down to 210-215 in a short amount of time.

Thakns

**MacDad22** · 07-26-2005, 11:14 PM

What do you think of adding clen / T3 to an HGH cycle? My only concern is the slightly elevate BP from HGH..

Mac

**skinner** · 12-29-2005, 07:28 AM

E/C/Y how much each would u take or just go by what the bottle says

**The Moose** · 02-26-2006, 12:18 PM

I'm currently on a cycle of Clen /T3 and I've read in numerous threads that the use of ECA or ECY reduces the effectiveness of Clen as the Ephedrine also works the same receptors that Clen does. My cycle is working very well right now. I started my Clen off at 100mcg in the morning and 100 again in the afternoon, I do this for 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off, and my T3 i started at 25 and cycled up to 100mcg and will soon by cycling my way down again, I will then take 2 months off and do it again. If T3 is done properly it can actually assist in the gaining of muscle as it mobilizes proteins and carbs more quickly to the muscle cells. When your not trying to cut so quickly I reccommend it in a lower dosage without cutting your carbs, it has a mediocre effect but at the price its definately worth the money.

**Mike Dura** · 02-26-2006, 12:37 PM

How do you know it was the t3 making you feel weak? Maybe it was the clen or the comination of t3 and clen.

Originally Posted by buff87

Other opinions are welcome as T3 is ran a number of ways...
I've used the 1mcg per pound of bodyweight method also and
other methods... I've also been told tapering is not necessary
at all with T3 from someone that dealt with a endocrinologist, so
there are a number of different takes on this... But this cycle
worked quite well for me...

For those wondering about a PCT for T3 cycles as is often talked
about I did use a Guggulsterone product for 2 weeks after just for
peace of mind and to help stimulate natural thyroid production to
some extent.. Not sure how much it really helps, but better to be
safe and cover all your bases...

Yes I did lose some muscle, but not much and overall lost about
1" off my arms in the process and over 4" off my waist with very
little lost in muscle, even though I felt flat and a little weak after
6 weeks of cutting carbs in half and T3 has that effect anyway...
Makes me feel weaker within 1-2 weeks of starting to use it...

**falconz08** · 03-13-2006, 08:31 PM

great information

**BrickHouseGrl** · 04-18-2006, 03:03 PM

So I just order my first clen /t3 cycle and was wondering about it working for a female.

I read that female can you clen 6 weeks straight not going over 100mg but how would t3 fit it there accordingly?

***Narkissos*** · 04-18-2006, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by BrickHouseGrl

So I just order my first clen /t3 cycle and was wondering about it working for a female.

I read that female can you clen 6 weeks straight not going over 100mg but how would t3 fit it there accordingly?

100 mg of clen is a little on the highside.

I'm a male and i don't go over 80 mg

t3.. you can add at a low dose.. like 25 mcg

I personally don't believe in running a high dose of this compound

**BrickHouseGrl** · 04-19-2006, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Narkissos

100 mg of clen is a little on the highside.

I'm a male and i don't go over 80 mg

t3.. you can add at a low dose.. like 25 mcg

I personally don't believe in running a high dose of this compound

So having requested clen / t3 combo from arr..applying it for female cutting...using the t3 would be steady or would you suggest an on off time frame??

Can you give a suggested 6 week dosage please??? I appreciate any help here...

**BigDaddy2003** · 04-24-2006, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by buff87

You can, but T3 is going to burn muscle as well as bofyfat, so that's why
it's a good idea to always run some sort of anabolics along with it...
Even with anabolics you'll lose some muscle with T3 at higher doses...
I'd suggest you run at the very least a mild anabolic with it...

hey man i am currently in a cycle of Test E. and looking to do clen /T3 cycle would it be wise to put the 2 together? or should i just finish my cycle of test e and then start the clen/T3. you say to run anabolic with it i just want to check to see if this is a good combination of the 3

**Growingpains** · 04-25-2006, 12:09 AM

Hey bros I got a quick question for you all

I am going to be starting a Clen /T3 combo soon and was wondering if I should just run a clen cycle because I have heard that T3 will get rid of some muscle mass. ( I know during a cutting cycle this is expected but will the effects of T3 be more detrimental than positive?) Thanks bro, I really appreciate your time. There is no profile on T3 do you know what it does exactly to the body?

GP

Please don't flame my questions. I know there are tons of threads and as a result it is hard to find good ones with substance and actual evidence behind them!

**CoreyTampa09** · 05-28-2006, 01:23 AM

Im also wondering since T3 can cause muscle loss if during this 6 week cycle creatine would benefit you. Also as stated in the beginning do you have to take a test for it to work fully?

**Ripp3D** · 06-04-2006, 09:42 AM

I'm on day 3 right now and I feel like Im running a fever. Hopefully it will go away soon. Should I be taking any other supplements instead of the ones buff87 said to take?

**embalmer** · 06-19-2006, 07:49 PM

# 25mg Ephedrine HCl
# 200mg Guaifenesin

would this be a good ephedrine to use on the off weeks? or do you perfer

Ephedrine Alkaloids 25.00mg

**joe_black** · 06-26-2006, 09:35 PM

I was thinking of the aar lion's clen t-3 combo what would you reccomend with that cycle?

**briansauras** · 07-05-2006, 12:48 PM

what would be good dose of t3 to use for the first time? 75mcg ED along with 125mcg clen ?

**trulbfan3** · 09-12-2006, 09:40 PM

a good dose of t3 for the first time has been outlined above...start off low and build up , just listen to your body and adjust accordingly but slowly

**rssumme** · 10-03-2006, 01:58 PM

Jack 87,

Did you do any Cardio in those 6 weeks? Or just lower the calories 1000?

**Knockout_Power** · 10-15-2006, 02:51 PM

Awesome info Buff, I think I will try your cycle out as it has more info in it than others I have looked at. this will be my first ever cutting cycle and I ordered ARR's Clen /T3 yesturday. Hoping to lose a conservative 10-12lbs (currently 202, want 190 for now).

I have been reading up on some reviews from people who have ordered the same from ARR and the one question that comes up a lot is what dosage is a single squirt or the oral spray? Since I do not have mine in hand yet I just thought I would ask in case those directions are not on the labels...

thanx in advance.

**sheltonn** · 10-18-2006, 01:19 PM

A squirt is .1ml

**Yesevil** · 11-05-2006, 09:14 PM

Jack, I took your clen knowledge and mixed it with some others and have started to cut. I posted my pics from day one in the members pics forum. I'll add new pics every week. Check it out if you wanna see your cycle at work. (Threads named "Cutting Log w/ Clen/T3" aptly) Thanks for the info.

**lbrlbr** · 11-07-2006, 04:59 PM

so how many sprays of lions t3 for 50 mcgs
2 and a half or what?
i know im a dumb fcuk but please advise

**Yesevil** · 11-11-2006, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by lbrlbr

so how many sprays of lions t3 for 50 mcgs
2 and a half or what?
i know im a dumb fcuk but please advise

There's 20 mcg's in a squirt, good luck getting a half a squirt out.

**OneMoreSet** · 11-12-2006, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Yesevil

There's 20 mcg's in a squirt, good luck getting a half a squirt out.

thats what I was thinking, how the hell do you get "half" a squirt

but yes 20mcg per pump

**kynetguy** · 11-29-2006, 06:46 PM

;-)

Get a 1ml syringe if you are dead set on 50mcg.

A 1mL syringe is graduated down to .01ml. The major graduations are .1 increments, with the ones in between at .01. So getting .25ml is cake.

I personally question the accuracy of a "pump" but, I am very anal that way.

And do not get an insulin syringe, they are marked in IU and specific to insulin. They do not translate to mL.

**kynetguy** · 11-29-2006, 07:10 PM

Oh for further information. . .

Depending on your Clen . . .

100mcg/mL = 10mcg/.1mL = 1mcg/.01mL
200mcg/mL = 20mcg/.1mL = 2mcg/.01mL

So you could get pretty anal with your dosage if you really wanted to with a 1mL syringe.

Good thing is you only need one syringe. Since you aren't squirting gear into your muscle, sterility is not an issue, you only have to clean it with some hot soapy water.