Test E and Dbol first cycle

**Haro3** · 01-07-2007, 08:37 PM

yea im not adding anything but after pct i might hit dnp for a while cut some lbs and do a "prime" into my next cycle

**chest6** · 01-08-2007, 12:34 AM

fvck dnp man..

whats this prime?

**guest589745** · 01-08-2007, 12:36 AM

Wheres the new pics haro?

**crazycrab** · 01-08-2007, 08:30 PM

show the pics bro.

**king6** · 01-08-2007, 10:07 PM

Yeah and make them sexy.

**guest589745** · 01-08-2007, 10:08 PM

They better be naked.

**Haro3** · 01-09-2007, 06:40 PM

lol u guys are gay. ill post em eventually

**king6** · 01-09-2007, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Haro3

lol u guys are gay. ill post em eventually

Something classy, like with a rose in your mouth.

**Haro3** · 01-09-2007, 07:59 PM

oh yea let me get right on that...maybe get the gf to do it...she got pissed when i made her pic my avatar lol

**chest6** · 01-09-2007, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Haro3

oh yea let me get right on that...maybe get the gf to do it...she got pissed when i made her pic my avatar lol

and when u made yourself ur facebook pics

**ironaddict69** · 01-10-2007, 03:57 PM

PICTURES...WITH THE ROSE, LIKE KING SAID!
haha i loved when u guys said that, that was good.

**Haro3** · 01-10-2007, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by chest6

and when u made yourself ur facebook pics

LOL did u see that? hhahahahahahahahahah

**Snrf** · 01-10-2007, 05:24 PM

hows the cycle going anyhow?

Haven't had an update in a while

**Haro3** · 01-10-2007, 05:30 PM

im 1 week into pct and in about 4 days i lost like 6 lbs and have been pissing like its my job so unfortunately im down to like 215 which is still up 10lbs but down 10lbs from my heaviest. my strength is descent not as good, i think alot of my strength lose is mental cuz i get that mentallity im not "on" naymore and now im supposed to be weak so i just gotta bust more ass. also i've noticed im not as solid although my vascularity has greatly increased but since im pale and still around 14% u cant see it in any pics but i can in the gym!

**wes cst rydr** · 01-10-2007, 05:48 PM

hey bro, so would you say you are satisfied with this or did you expect more?ive been fallowing,great info.post some bf and after pics if you could.

**Haro3** · 01-10-2007, 06:16 PM

i was really happy with it two weeks ago but its all comin apart now lol im down to 215 and its sad and i lost.5 inches on my arms in 5 days from losing so muhc water......my diet is still just as good my training has been a lil off but nothing major by anymeans so im really not sure but im still up 10lbs its just depressing to think i was up 20 at one time. although i look leaner now for sure but leaner = feelling smaller.

**Snrf** · 01-10-2007, 06:25 PM

Well its your first cycle and only a mild one, after seeing your next one I'm sure you'll get better results

Anyway 10 pounds is not to be sniffed at, esp if vascularity has increased and fatloss has occured...you've probably actually gained 15 or more...but feeling smaller does suck...its all in your head though, just remember that!

**Haro3** · 01-10-2007, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Snrfmaster

Well its your first cycle and only a mild one, after seeing your next one I'm sure you'll get better results

Anyway 10 pounds is not to be sniffed at, esp if vascularity has increased and fatloss has occured...you've probably actually gained 15 or more...but feeling smaller does suck...its all in your head though, just remember that!

i know its in ur head but it still fvcks with u regardless. im not depressed by anymeans at all jus dont feel as big/strong as i did a few weeks ago. oh well ill post pics after i've dropped all the water i think im gonna drop. and i think i've decided to throw dnp in soon because of its anticatoblic effects along with thyroid supression. so ill let everyone know on that. but my diet will not change and im NOT cutting i know "cutting" in pct is pointless i jus dont wanna get those msgs "u cant cut during pct ull lose ur gains..." (hint hint Jimmy)

**SMCengineer** · 01-10-2007, 11:19 PM

How about clen for it's anticatabolic effects? Just a thought, instead of using DNP .

**Haro3** · 01-11-2007, 06:51 AM

1. i can get dnp for nothing
2. everything i've been reading says dnp is anti catabolic as well
3. clen is a stimulant and i dont like them, dnp isnt....

basically my main reasons

**king6** · 01-11-2007, 07:41 AM

DNP should be pretty safe, as long as you are careful with it. Pesonally clen worked good for me as an anti catabolic.

**ironaddict69** · 01-11-2007, 08:36 AM

haro, i know what ur talkin about with feling shitty as u get smaller.
next time, since you did like dbol , check out Equipoise . u get pretty strong, the pumos are amazing, and it can make u more vascular if ur diet is in check along with ur training, and following ur log, both of yours are. good job regardless, 10 lbs is great. did u realy want that water there anyway? if so jump on some creatine monohydrate...thats what im doing

**SMCengineer** · 01-11-2007, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Haro3

1. i can get dnp for nothing
2. everything i've been reading says dnp is anti catabolic as well
3. clen is a stimulant and i dont like them, dnp isnt....

basically my main reasons

Cool, I'm interested to see how it goes. I'm also considering using an anticatabolic agent for PCT.

**chest6** · 01-12-2007, 01:05 AM

How much DNP u gonna run & for how long

Ask Nark what he thinks bout Dnp

***Narkissos*** · 01-12-2007, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by chest6

How much DNP u gonna run & for how long

Ask Nark what he thinks bout Dnp

bastard

**Haro3** · 01-12-2007, 10:44 AM

i'd say 400 will most likely be my max dose. start at 200 for a couple days then go to 400 for no longer than 3 weeks total seeems be rule of thumb especially for firts timers. my buddy has ran it at a gram before but jus couldnt handle it. even tai said he ran 1.5 grams and it was rediculous so obviously its not gonna kill u at the 200-600 range so well see i havent decided.

**thetoponepercent** · 01-12-2007, 10:52 AM

Haro, I have a question for you about the water weight you have lost since starting you PCT. Wasn't the arimidex suppose to control it? I would have thought that with the arimidex your water weight gain would have been minimal?? Sorry to hear about the 10lbs. But like other have pointed out I am sure your true gain in muscle is 10+ lbs which could have taken up to year to gain naturally. take care

**Haro3** · 01-12-2007, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by thetoponepercent

Haro, I have a question for you about the water weight you have lost since starting you PCT. Wasn't the arimidex suppose to control it? I would have thought that with the arimidex your water weight gain would have been minimal?? Sorry to hear about the 10lbs. But like other have pointed out I am sure your true gain in muscle is 10+ lbs which could have taken up to year to gain naturally. take care

i ran the adex at .25mg a day and i still felt bloated as hell during my entire cycle. so i hav eno idea...

**thetoponepercent** · 01-12-2007, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Haro3

i ran the adex at .25mg a day and i still felt bloated as hell during my entire cycle. so i hav eno idea...

I am running Nolva at 10mg EOD. In the 2nd week I let myself go a couple of days without and I puffed up. Went back on it and everything went back to normal. Noticed the other day nipples were hard and itched a bit so I took 20mg dose then took 10mg ed for 3 days and everything went back to normal.

Do you think you will up the adex or switch to something else next time?

**ironaddict69** · 01-12-2007, 12:25 PM

haro try aromasin for the AI next time, or proviron , but id do both.

**Haro3** · 01-12-2007, 01:11 PM

i doubt i run arimidex at all anymore. ill prolly jus run nolva or nothing maybe aromasin not sure if my powder source has that tho....

**Snrf** · 01-12-2007, 01:33 PM

if its the source I discussed with you he does...called Exemestane though

**Haro3** · 01-12-2007, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Snrfmaster

if its the source I discussed with you he does...called Exemestane though

nah its someone else but i jus checked he's got it so i might run it next time. i gotta research some stuff on what to run with tren cuz im planning on test e tren and var sooo..... i gotta read up yet

**Haro3** · 01-12-2007, 05:04 PM

alright here we go....first two are going to be starting pics sept 18 06 last two pics are jan 12 07 2 weeks into pct with 2 more to go
first two were 205lbs last two 214lbs

if anyone knows how to group pics together for side by side comparsion feel free to do so with both front/back pics i dont know how to use photoshop wortha shit

**Snrf** · 01-12-2007, 05:11 PM

pshhhhhhhh...what the hell are you bitchin about?!?

damn i'd be happy, you look like u put on some decent size in both shots!

everything looks bigger

**Haro3** · 01-12-2007, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Snrfmaster

pshhhhhhhh...what the hell are you bitchin about?!?

damn i'd be happy, you look like u put on some decent size in both shots!

everything looks bigger

lol i know i didnt realize it till i put those pics up and saw em next to each other.. i still feel small...