Test E/Dbol/Eq/ winny cycle #3

[TheGuardian]

Whats up guys. This is my third cycle, second cycle with test in it. My first was eq/winny about 3 years ago (was afraid of test at the time). I am currently three weeks into a 15 week cycle. I am 23, 6'2" 196 16%bf. Here is my cycle, full stats, current diet, routine, and progression pics over the years. The stats and dec 06 picture were taken two weeks into cycle. I was up ten lbs already.

Dbol- week 1-5 30 mg/day
test e- week 1-15 500 mg/week
eq- week 1-15 400 mg/week
winny- week 11-15 75mg eod (not positive about how I'm gonna take this yet)
I have arimidex on hand, but need help with pct. I keep reading conflicting things about what to take.

Stats
My stats from past six months: June 06 to Dec 06
weight: +18 lbs- 196 lbs
body fat: no change- 16%
chest/back: +2.25- 43.5"
shoulders: +3"- 51.5"
bicep/tricep: +1.5"- 15.75"
waist: +1"- 36"
hips: +.5"- 39.5"
thighs: +1.5"- 21"
calves: +.25"- 15"

Diet I sleep from 1 am-9 am
Meal 1 (11:30 a.m.)
Isopure protein powder
1/2 cup oats
3 eggs (1 whole)
8 oz. skim milk
totals: cal-(600) fat-(9) carb-(75) pro-(64)

Meal 2 (2:00 p.m.)
8 oz. chicken breast
1/2 cup wild rice
1/2 cup spinach
2 oz. mozarella cheese
totals: cal-(550) fat-(8) carb-(49) pro-(60)

Meal 3 (4:30 p.m.)
2 oz. beef jerky
1 nature valley granola bar
totals: cal-(320) fat-(10) carb-(34) pro-(26)

workout 6:00-7:30
Meal 4 (PWO) (7:30 p.m.)
Isopure protein powder
3 eggs (1 whole)
8oz. skim milk
totals: cal-(450) fat-(6) carb-(39) pro-(59)

Meal 5 (9:00 p.m.)
8 oz. chicken breast
1/2 cup wild rice
1/2 cup spinach
2 oz. mozarella cheese
totals: cal-(550) fat-(8) carb-(49) pro-(60)

Meal 6 (10:00 p.m.)
2 oz. beef jerky
totals: cal-(160) fat-(3) carb-(12) pro-(24)

Meal 7 (11:30 p.m.)
Southern Pharm. protein powder
8 oz. skim milk
totals: cal-(320) fat-(4) carb-(18) pro-(52)

Daily totals: cal-(2950) fat-(48) carb-(276) pro-(345)

Routine
I have been on one muscle group a day 5 day workout, but I am about to switch back to working 2 muscle groups a day, one heavy day/week and one light day/week.

Mon.- Heavy chest, light biceps
Tues.- Heavy back, light triceps
Wed.- Heavy legs, light shoulders
Thurs.-Heavy biceps, light chest
Fri.- Heavy triceps, light back
Sat.- Heavy shoulders, light legs

I do moderate cardio 3x week. Abs and calves 3x a week.
I have neglected heavy leg workouts in the past, but added them back in about a month ago, so my lower body is sad right now. My arms have also been a problem area for me, so any tips on adding serious mass to arms would be greatly appreciated.

[king6]

Not a flame bro,

But I don't see that great of improvments. Not to say there are not any. I think the winny and eq was a bad choice. But not to worry, because with a test e and dbol cycle, you will be freakin huge, not too mention, your diet looks fairly good. You should notice some big improvments with this cycel, best of luck.

[TheGuardian]

Yeah, unfortunately I was given the body of a 12 year old girl to begin with. haha. I never had much base to begin with (June 2001 pic). I did get up to an unhealthy 200 lbs in my first 2 years of college, began to workout again, and dropped to a still soft 165 (June 2004 pic). Thats when I began my first cycle (eq/winny). If you take out some middle pictures, the changes are a little more obvious. From June 04-August 04 was my first cycle. Went up 15lbs and dropped bodyfat at the same time. I took a year off from March 05- March 06 because I was in a situation where I couldn't cook, so I wasn't going to work out if I couldn't eat right, so it put me back at square one (March 06 pic). March 06- Dec 06 I put on 15 lbs naturally, and hit a plateau. I am three weeks in to this cycle and up 13 lbs. I'll keep you posted on my gains as I go.

[TheGuardian]

Merry Christmas! Day 21: +14lbs. Everything is going smoothly. Not really any noticeable sides except slightly oilier skin and stretch marks beginning under my arms. I started .5 mg arimidex last Friday. I started feeling water retention in my face. Looking forward to a heavy chest day later this afternoon. I'm actually ready for the holidays to be over so I quit taking more than my allowed cheat meals. haha

[fast]

No offence mate, but I think you train too much.

5 times a week, all muscle groups twice. You know workout is always a workout. And it won`t help you doing abs 3 x week.

Do you workout like this while off cycle? If you don`t, you rely way too much on AAS. They are not magic potion.

If I were you I would do just basic heavy compound movements, ALOT of rest and good diet. Workout with intensity, you don`t need to do tens of sets/muscle group.

When you train, train HARD but don`t do it everyday or even every second.

Cheers

[TheGuardian]

No offence mate, but I think you train too much.

5 times a week, all muscle groups twice. You know workout is always a workout. And it won`t help you doing abs 3 x week.

Do you workout like this while off cycle? If you don`t, you rely way too much on AAS. They are not magic potion.

If I were you I would do just basic heavy compound movements, ALOT of rest and good diet. Workout with intensity, you don`t need to do tens of sets/muscle group.

When you train, train HARD but don`t do it everyday or even every second.

Cheers

I got set up doing heavy/light days by an exercise physiologist back in March. I did that until about October. I switched to one muscle group a day about 10 weeks ago, but am thinking about switching back to heavy/light 2 times a week since I'm on a cycle now. For example today I started heavy/light again doing:

Heavy chest:
decline bb (3 sets)-225 x 10, 245 x 10, 255 x 8
flat db (3 sets)- 85 x 10, 90 x 10, 90 x 8
incline cable crossover (3 sets)- 55 x 10

Light biceps:
I usually do some type of superset or fatigue exercise on all light days. Today I did crazy 8's for biceps.

abs:
hanging leg raise 1 x 25
decline abs 1 x 25
kneeling rope pulldown? (obliques) 1 x 30

I honestly don't like doing 2 times a week, but I saw slightly better gains when I did it. I was up to 275 on my last set on decline bench, and after a couple of months of 1 body part a day I have actually moved down to 255. I am still trying to find a routine that I feel comortable with. I have put on 15 lbs naturally since March, and 14 lbs in the past 3 weeks on cycle while keeping bf the same, so I think that if nothing else, my diet is where it needs to be.

I really need advice regardinig squats/deadlifts. I have always neglected going heavy on my lower body. I have been working up to doing somewhat heavy weight for me on squats, and last leg day I did 4 sets of 275. I have not been able to fully bend my left knee in about a week now, and this is what usually happens when I try to do anything above 185 lbs on squats. As much as I hate doing squats/deadlifts I know that they help build mass and I would like to know if there is anything else that I could substitute since it aggravates my knees when I do them.

[king6]

Leg press is good for mass.

[fast]

I really need advice regardinig squats/deadlifts. I have always neglected going heavy on my lower body. I have been working up to doing somewhat heavy weight for me on squats, and last leg day I did 4 sets of 275. I have not been able to fully bend my left knee in about a week now, and this is what usually happens when I try to do anything above 185 lbs on squats. As much as I hate doing squats/deadlifts I know that they help build mass and I would like to know if there is anything else that I could substitute since it aggravates my knees when I do them.

I was same way like you, hated doing deadlifts even thought I am somewhat gifted in it (lifted 200kg`s 2 months after starting and 250kg 8months after). I just abandoned them. I allso never payed attention to squat heavy or squat at all.

So anyways, once I realised these compound movements are the key to big muscle mass I have never tought about substitutes.

You could try doing widegrip pull ups but I can`t think of any excercise that could take deadlift/squat place

Cheers

[TheGuardian]

Here's an article that I found on ********s website that I found entertaining and very true. Long read but good.

GUEST ATOMIC DOG
Merry Christmas, Bob
by Chris Shugart

The Atomic Dog is a weekly feature that isn't necessarily about weight training or bodybuilding. Sometimes it's about sports in general, sex, women, or male issues of some kind. At times it's inspirational, but it can also be informative, funny, and even a little weird, but hopefully, always interesting and a little controversial. We hope it reflects the nature of Testosterone magazine in that, just as no man is completely one-dimensional and only interested in one subject, neither are we. If it makes you think or laugh — or even get angry — it's served its purpose.


The following Atomic Dog was first featured in Testosterone Nation three years ago. It's often regarded as one of our more inspirational, get-off-your-sorry-butt articles and, given that it has a Christmas theme, we thought it appropriate to run it again this Christmas.


Note: Since most of our readers are probably busy around this time of year, this issue and the next will be a little shorter than usual. Don't worry, though, there's still plenty of info here to keep you busy for a few hours.

"So, what are you doing for a living these days?" Bob asked me. We're sitting on the couch at one of those tedious holiday get-togethers, you know, the ones where you're supposed to be nice to family members you never see except during major holidays and funerals. I think Bob is my wife's brother-in-law's second cousin or something.

"I'm the assistant editor and a writer for Testosterone magazine," I say. Bob looks at me with a blank expression on his face, as if I'd just told him I sell handmade testicle warmers beside the freeway and was looking to open franchises across the nation.

"It's a bodybuilding magazine," I say.

Blank expression. Deer caught in the headlights. Ronnie Coleman doing trigonometry.

"Oh," Bob finally says, "I heard you were, like, one of those bodybuilder guys or something. So, what's that like, you know, working out every day and stuff? I just don't have time to lift weights all day, but I have been meaning to get rid of this beer belly." He takes another sip of beer. "What do you suggest?" Sip.

At first I was a little offended. I wanted to grab him up and say, "You can't tell I'm a bodybuilder?! Look at my ass! Now, if that's not a nice round squat-built piece of sirloin, I don't know what is! You think that comes naturally? I can crack walnuts with this puppy! Wanna see? Huh, punk? Do ya? Do ya?"

Then I realize this just might cause a scene and could cost me several Christmas presents. I was planning on returning any presents I got and using the money to buy a power rack, so I didn't want to jeopardize this gift getting opportunity. I also realized that old Bob probably had a certain preconceived image of a bodybuilder and I just didn't fit that image. I'm not gorilla huge; I weigh about 205 at 5'11" right now. (When I first started lifting I was a pudgy 159, so that's not too shabby.) Also, I wasn't wearing clown pants, a fluorescent string tank top, a hanky on my head and one of those little fanny packs. And isn't that what real bodybuilders are supposed to wear?

Bob continued to sit there drinking his Natural Light, smoking a cigarette and waiting for an answer, oblivious to the fact that he'd come this close to seeing some serious walnut- crunching ass power. I tried to figure out how I could explain to the average guy what the typical T-Man does and why he does it. How could I get him to understand what it is we do, how we feel, how we live? So I took a deep breath and told him something like this:

"Well, Bob, I guess you could use the term bodybuilder if you really need a label for what it is we do. Most of us actually don't stand on stage and compete, though. We lift weights and manipulate our diets so that we'll look good naked. Sure, it's healthy too, and we'll probably live a longer and more productive life than the average guy, but mostly it's about the naked thing. Truthfully, it goes beyond even that.

"Let's be honest here. We do it because of people like you, Bob. We look at you sitting there with your gut hanging over your belt and we watch you grunt and groan just getting out of a chair. Guys like you are our inspiration, Bob. You're better than Anthony Robbins, Bill Phillips, Deepak Chopra, and Zig ****ing Ziglar all wrapped up into one. We love it when guys like you talk about not having time to exercise. Every time we see you munching on a bag of potato chips, you inspire us. You're my shot in the arm, Bob, my living and breathing wake-up call, my own personal success coach.

"You want to know what it is we do? We overcome. We're too busy to train, too, but we overcome. We're too busy to prepare healthy meals and eat them five or six times a day, but we overcome. We can't always afford supplements, our genetics aren't perfect, and we don't always feel like going to the gym. Some of us used to be just like you, Bob, but guess what? We've overcome.

"We like to watch 'normal' people like you tell us about how they can't get in shape. We smile and nod sympathetically like we feel your pain, but actually, we're thinking that you're a pathetic piece of shit that needs to grow a spine and join a gym. You smile sheepishly and say that you just can't stay motivated and just can't stand that feeling of being sore. (For some reason you think that admitting your weaknesses somehow justifies them.) We listen to you bitch and moan. We watch you look for the easy way out. Because of people like you, Bob, we never miss a workout.

"You ask us for advice about diet and training and usually we politely offer some guidance, but deep inside we know you won't take our advice. You know that too. We smile and say, 'Hope that helps. Good luck,' but actually we're thinking, 'Boy, it would suck to be you.' We know that 99% of people won't listen to us. Once they hear that it takes hard work, sacrifice and discipline, they stop listening and tune us out.

"We know they wanted us to say that building a great body is easy, but it just isn't. This did not take five minutes a day on a TorsoTrack. We did not get this way in 12 short weeks using a Bowflex and the Suzanne Somers' 'Get Skinny' diet. A good body does not cost five easy payments of $39.95.

"We like it that while you're eating a candy bar and drinking Mountain Dew, we're sucking down a protein shake. You see, that makes it taste even better to us. While you're asleep we're either getting up early or staying up late, hitting the iron, pushing ourselves, learning, succeeding and failing and rising above the norm with every rep. Can you feel that, Bob? Can you relate? No? Good. This wouldn't be half as fun if you could.

"We do it because we absolutely and totally get off on it. We do it because people like you, Bob, either can't or won't. We do it because what we do in the gym transfers over into the rest of our lives and changes us, physically, mentally, maybe even spiritually. We do it because it beats watching fishing and golf on TV. By the way, do you know what it's like to turn the head of a beautiful woman because of the way you're built? It feels good, Bob. Damned good.

"When we're in the gym, we're in this indescribable euphoria zone. It's a feeling of being on, of being completely alive and aware. If you haven't been there, then it's like trying to describe color to a person who's been blind since birth. Within this haze of pleasure and pain, there's knowledge and power, self-discipline and self-reliance. If you do it long enough, Bob, there's even enlightenment. Sometimes, the answers to questions you didn't even know you had are sitting there on those rubber mats, wrapped up in a neat package of iron plates and bars.

"Want to lose that beer belly, Bob? I have a nutty idea. Put down the ****ing beer. I'll tell you what, Bob. Christmas morning I'm getting up real early and hitting the iron. I want to watch my daughter open her presents and spend the whole day with her, so this is the only time I have to train. The gym will be closed, so I'm going out in my garage to workout. You be at my house at six in the morning, okay? I'll be glad to help you get started on a weight training program. It'll be colder than Hillary Clinton's coochie in there, so dress warm.

"But let me tell you something, Bob. If you don't show up, don't bother asking me again. And don't you ever sit there and let me hear you bitch about your beer belly again. This is your chance, your big opportunity to break out of that rut. If you don't show up, Bob, you've learned a very important lesson about yourself, haven't you? You won't like that lesson.

"You won't like that feeling in the pit of your stomach either or that taste in your mouth. It will taste worse than defeat, Bob. Defeat tastes pretty goddamned nasty, but what you'll be experiencing will be much worse. It will be the knowledge that you're weak, mentally and physically. What's worse is that you'll have accepted that feeling. The feeling will always be with you. In the happiest moments of your life, it'll be there, lying under the surface like a malignant tumor. Ignore it at your own peril, Bob.

"Don't look at me like that either. This just may be the best Christmas present you'll get this year. Next Christmas, Bob, when I see you again, I'm going to be a little bigger, a little stronger, and a little leaner. What will you be? Will you still be making excuses? This is a gift, Bob, from me to you. I'm giving you the chance to look fate in those pretty eyes of hers and say, 'Step off, bitch. This is my party and you're not invited.' What do you say, Bob? Monday, Christmas morning, 6am, my house. The ball's in your court."

Okay, so maybe that's not the exact words I used with Bob, but you get the picture. Will Bob show up Monday? I don't know, but I kind of doubt it. In fact, Bob will probably take me off his Christmas card list. He probably thinks I've got "too much Testosterone," like that's a bad thing. I think Bob is just stuck in a rut, and as the saying goes, the only difference between a rut and a grave is depth.

The way out of the rut is to make major changes in your life, most of which won't be too pleasant in the beginning. The opportunity to make those changes seldom comes as bluntly as I put it to Bob. Most of the time, that opportunity knocks very softly. What I did was basically give Bob a verbal slap in the face. You can react two ways to a slap. You can get angry at the person doing the slapping, or you can realize that he was just trying to get you to wake up and focus on what you really want and, more importantly, what it'll take to get it.

If you're a regular ***** reader, I doubt you need to be called out like Bob. But maybe you've caught yourself slacking a little here lately. Maybe you've missed a few workouts or maybe you started a little too early on the usual holiday feasting, like, say, back in September. Just remember that the time to start working on that summer body is now. The time to get rid of those bad habits that hold you back in the gym is now. You want to look totally different by next Christmas? Start now. This isn't because of the holidays or any corny New Year's resolutions either. The best time is always now.

Christmas day I want you to enjoy being with your family and friends. I want you to open presents, sip a little eggnog and have a good meal. But if your regularily scheduled workout happens to fall on December 25th, what will you be doing at six o'clock that morning?

That's what separates us from guys like Bob.

[thetoponepercent]

Sup bro. Just thought I would stop by and see how your doing.

[TheGuardian]

Sup bro. Just thought I would stop by and see how your doing.

Man, everything is good. Day 22, up 14 lbs: 199. I started arimidex last week because I felt water retention coming on. Getting good pumps during workouts, and my muscles are starting to feel more dense out of the gym as well. Seeing some strength gains, but nothing drastic. My shoulders and traps look like they have blown up. My appetite is crazy, I'll eat a whole plate full of chicken, rice, and greens, and I'll be eating a snack 30 minutes later. I've been getting real tired, and take a 45-60 minute nap before I go to the gym in the afternoon.

On a side note, does anyone elses stomach look distended by the end of the day from eating so much? Mine looks normal in the morning, but I look like I have a beer gut by the time I go to bed.

[thetoponepercent]

Man, everything is good. Day 22, up 14 lbs: 199. I started arimidex last week because I felt water retention coming on. Getting good pumps during workouts, and my muscles are starting to feel more dense out of the gym as well. Seeing some strength gains, but nothing drastic. My shoulders and traps look like they have blown up. My appetite is crazy, I'll eat a whole plate full of chicken, rice, and greens, and I'll be eating a snack 30 minutes later. I've been getting real tired, and take a 45-60 minute nap before I go to the gym in the afternoon.

On a side note, does anyone elses stomach look distended by the end of the day from eating so much? Mine looks normal in the morning, but I look like I have a beer gut by the time I go to bed.

Yea, I think the dbol just kicked in for me. Lifting weight that is normally heavy for me was nothing. I wonder if every day will be like this or better?

I eat all the damn time also. A lot of it has to do with stomach pains from the dbol. Forces me to eat and drink lots, especially after I take each dose of dbol.

I try to take a large shake right at bed. 1/2 cup oats and 2 scoops of protein. Even with this I am starving in the morning. My stomach is only sticking out slightly after each meal. Nothing too bad. I am doing cardio, abs and nolva each day. This is keeping it in check so far. My girlfriend is also keeping it in check. I always monitor her body and food in-take so now the tables are turned. She keeps talking about my stomach getting larger. LOL

[TheGuardian]

I started a new routine this week. I'm doing 4 days on 1 day off (chest/bi, back/tri, hams/quads, shoulders/abs/calves), alternating heavy/light lifts each session. I have 4 full days rest before I work a muscle group again, and 10 days between heavy lifts. Soreness is usually gone the third day for large muscles, and second day on small muscles. I'm up 15 lbs on day 24 of my cycle (200 lbs). I have had constant lower back aches this past week, so I am only doing squats/deadlifts twice a month now after the advice from a trainer. I'm also doing more fatigue exercises as opposed to heavy lifts because knees, rotator cuffs, and lower back are not feeling very good. Cardio 15 min x 3 days a week at 130-140 heart rate

[TheGuardian]

Worked heavy bis, light chest today. Definately feel stronger.
Preacher curl 3x8-10
incline db curl 3x8-10
concentratin curl 3x8-10

3 x 10-12 giant set for chest
cable crossover-> db fly-> incline db bench

I'm not feeling soreness in my joints or lower back now. Weight still at 200. Will be out of town and I'll probably lose a couple of pounds this weekend. This is the only time I'll be drinking while on cycle.

Has anyone ever used Nutri-vet products? My 10cc bottle of test e was short 2cc.

[TheGuardian]

Happy New Year. What I thought would happen did this past weekend. I got stupid drunk, hungover, dehydrated, and didn't eat for about 3 days. I lost 6 pounds, and was finally able to get into the gym today after missing the past 2 days. I was suprisingly alot stronger today than my last tricep/back day. Oh well, time to get back to the routine, and stay away from alcohol. lol

Has anyone ever used Nutri-vet products? My 10cc bottle of test e was short 2cc.

Any takers on this question?

[D-Money]

Dude if you weren't a new member I would send you a private message, but it won't allow me till you have more post. Hit me up when you do. Or email me.

[TheGuardian]

Dude if you weren't a new member I would send you a private message, but it won't allow me till you have more post. Hit me up when you do. Or email me.

Me private email is [email protected]. You can email me there if you want.

[D-Money]

Me private email is [email protected]. You can email me there if you want.

Ok will do.

[BigSwol]

Good luck bro, was plannin on something very similar, - the strol. Im thinkin only 14 weeks of cyp and 13 of eq, 4 weeks of dbol. I'd just run the typical nolva/clomid pct and use the AI during cycle like your doing. Otherwise look into Hooker's pct or Anthony Roberts, there are links on the pct forum.

BigSwol

[TheGuardian]

Last week was was a bad week for me. Recovering from New Years partying, & a sinus cold towards the end of the week. I managed to gain the 6 lbs back that I lost last weekend, and saw some strength improvements during my heavy chest day yesterday. Starting to feel an overall hardness in muscle development, and slowly increasing strength. I am starting to have itchy nips, but I am already taking .5 mg arimidex/day and have been for 3 weeks now. Any suggestions? This is week 6/15 and weight has gone from 185 to 201.

Mon.

Chest (heavy):
decline bb- 3 x 8-10 255, 275, 265
flat db- 3 x 8-10 85's, 95's, 90's
incline cable xover- 3 x 8-10

Biceps (light):
100's on cable machine 40, 20, 20, 20

[MartyMcFly]

I do not see how you train that much. You are doing shoulders everyday you train. They have been overtrained for a log time. This will hinder your growth not make it expand. If you want to get the most out of your cycle I would address this.

Mon.- Heavy chest, light biceps
Tues.- Heavy back, light triceps
Wed.- Heavy legs, light shoulders
Thurs.-Heavy biceps, light chest
Fri.- Heavy triceps, light back
Sat.- Heavy shoulders, light legs

That is terrible. Try MWF: M:Chest/tri, W:Back/bi, F:Leg/shoulders. Or add shoulders into chest day.

You grow when you rest. You never rest.

[TheGuardian]

I do not see how you train that much. You are doing shoulders everyday you train. They have been overtrained for a log time. This will hinder your growth not make it expand. If you want to get the most out of your cycle I would address this.

Mon.- Heavy chest, light biceps
Tues.- Heavy back, light triceps
Wed.- Heavy legs, light shoulders
Thurs.-Heavy biceps, light chest
Fri.- Heavy triceps, light back
Sat.- Heavy shoulders, light legs

That is terrible. Try MWF: M:Chest/tri, W:Back/bi, F:Leg/shoulders. Or add shoulders into chest day.

You grow when you rest. You never rest.

Well, in the past I trained 3 days/week exactly like you have layed out. I gained very little. Last March, I started doing sales for a gym, and I was set up on the 6 day program listed above by an exercise physiologist who has been training for 15+ years, owned a personal training gym in the past, and currently owns 2 fitness centers. From March until December I was on the 6 day program. From November til December I modified it to one muscle group a day to give my body a break. In those nine months I had the following gains naturally:
weight: + 17 lbs.
bodyfat: + 0%
shoulders: + 3"
chest: + 2.25"
arms: + 1.5"
hips: + 1"
thighs: + 1.5"
calves: + .5"

The numbers don't lie. The only thing I didn't like is that I started having pain in my shoulders, and it was mentally tough to kick your ass 5 days a week for an hour and a half each day in the gym. You can also see that I didn't work legs as hard as upper body, but I have been incororating squats/deadlifts into my routine the past few months. The 6 day routine gives you 7 full days rest in between heavy lifts, with a lightweight burnout day in between.

Starting Dec 1, I modified the 6 day program into a 4 day on 1 day off split to give myself an extra few days rest between heavy lifts. I usually feel sore for 2-3 days, and feel completely recovered by day 5 at the latest, so there is no way that I am dropping down to (MWF: M:Chest/tri, W:Back/bi, F:Leg/shoulders. Or add shoulders into chest day.) The only thing I could see happening with that is me putting on excess bodyfat from eating 7 meals a day and only burning calories 3 days a week. I have also gained 16 lbs. in 5 weeks since being on cycle and using this routine. I just don't see the Arnolds and Ronnies of the sport building those bodies by working out 3 days a week, but if it works for you, more power to ya

[MartyMcFly]

Well if it is working for you then keep it up.

[TheGuardian]

End of week 6 of 15 week cycle. My weight is 203. +18 from beginning of cycle. Strength is increasing. Appetite is increasing as well. Everything seems to be getting tighter, and I can really tell that my legs are finally getting a bit of size to them. I'm on a 4 day on, 1 day off routine.

[TheGuardian]

I'm about halfway through my cycle, so here's some progress pics. Sorry for the camera phone quality. I've gained 18 lbs since the start of my cycle (Dec.1) and 34 lbs. since last January. Current stats 23 years old, 6'2" 203. I had my measurements taken Dec. 14, and am going to have them taken again at the end of my bulk (March 1), maybe before. My bodyfat has been consistent at 15-16% since last March, so the weight I've put on is proportionate. I've seen good gains in my chest and shoulders, and my back is getting wider. My damn arms just won't catch up with the rest though. I've gained 1.5-2" in the last 9 months, but I'm still only at 16". My legs are coming along, but they are still tiny and I won't be posting any pics unless some miracle happens. Eating ~3500 calories/day, keeping it similar to the diet in my first post. Suggestions welcome

[TheGuardian]

Today was my off day so I took my cheat meal today. Went with 6 pieces of Pizza Hut meat lovers pizza. I went online and looked at the nutritional facts after I ate, and I almost cried. haha

[TheGuardian]

Worked back/tris today.

Weighted wide grip chins 3x8-10
Deadlifts 3x8-10
Reverse grip pulldown 3x8-10

Tricep kickbacks 3x12
Tricep pressdown machine 3x12

Oh yeah, I'm pretty bummed that the saints lost.the Bears

[thetoponepercent]

Sup man. You definitely look a lot bigger. Keep up the good work.

How often do you do cardio?

[Hellmaskbanned]

You look natural. And not much size even with the gallons of water your swimming in. Save your money and buy a personal trainer & dietician sp?.....

[TheGuardian]

Sup man. You definitely look a lot bigger. Keep up the good work.

How often do you do cardio?
Thanks. I do 20 minutes 3 times a week. Try to keep my heart rate around 145.

You look natural. And not much size even with the gallons of water your swimming in. Save your money and buy a personal trainer & dietician sp?.....

My natural body weight before I began weight training was 165@ 15% bf. That was eating pizza/chef boyardee/fast food everyday for a year. I don't want to look like a meathead. I want to be a lean 185 or so, but I don't want to take 3 or 4 years to get there.

[thetoponepercent]

You look natural. And not much size even with the gallons of water your swimming in. Save your money and buy a personal trainer & dietician sp?.....

That seems kinda harsh. You are holding a lot of water. Can you take some anti-e's and increase your cardio to 3 times a week at 45 min? Don't get discouraged.

[TheGuardian]

That seems kinda harsh. You are holding a lot of water. Can you take some anti-e's and increase your cardio to 3 times a week at 45 min? Don't get discouraged.

I've been taking .5 mg Arimidex a day for about 4 weeks now. The water weight doesn't really bother me, its just so damn hard for me to keep weight on. I missed 2 meals this weekend and lost 2 lbs.

[Hellmaskbanned]

If you don't want to look like a meathead then lay off the steroids. 6'2'' 185 lean is a VERY achievable goal naturally. Goes to show how even with steroids, if your diet/training routine is off you will have minimal gains....

This isn't intended to just bash you, you honestly need a reality check. Anyone congraduating you on your cycle is FOOLISH. Hire a qualified personal trainer, + dietician like I SAID! Instead of wasting it on AAS for minimal gains and a waste of health.

[Hellmaskbanned]

That seems kinda harsh. You are holding a lot of water. Can you take some anti-e's and increase your cardio to 3 times a week at 45 min? Don't get discouraged.

Seems harsh but was the best/healthyist info anyone has givin him on this thread.

[TheGuardian]

I have a exercise psysiologist that helps me with my program and diet. +35 lbs. in 10 months.

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[Hellmaskbanned]

I have a exercise psysiologist that helps me with my program and diet. +35 lbs. in 10 months.

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I'd fire his ass ASAP!

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[chest6]

If you don't want to look like a meathead then lay off the steroids. 6'2'' 185 lean is a VERY achievable goal naturally. Goes to show how even with steroids, if your diet/training routine is off you will have minimal gains....

This isn't intended to just bash you, you honestly need a reality check. Anyone congraduating you on your cycle is FOOLISH. Hire a qualified personal trainer, + dietician like I SAID! Instead of wasting it on AAS for minimal gains and a waste of health.

Bingo.

Third cycle? Obviously you are doing something wrong if this is your third cycle and your stats still are really not impressive.

The size you are at now is even attainable naturally, I would never have guessed it took you three cycles to get there.

If you do not want to be a meathead/be big then why must you use aas in the first place? Why even bother with aas if all you want is a few lbs of LBM?