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    Fist time D-bol and Winny

    Will be taking
    25mg of Russian D-bol a day
    (5mg Tabs)

    And
    30mg of British dragon Winny a day
    (10mg tabs)

    ***Nutrition Notes***
    -Eat every 2 hours
    -Done eating 2 hours b/f workout
    -Eat very little carbs during the week and carb up on Sat or Sun or both days
    -Drink only water with meals and in between

    7:00am
    - 46g of whey protein (2 scoops)
    - 1 serving of fruit
    - 1 tbsp fish oil
    - 1 tbsp olive oil
    - 1 Multi –Vitamin
    - 1 ECA

    9:00am
    - Eggs, fish, poultry, Cottage Cheese, Casein
    - Green Vegetable

    11:00am
    - Eggs, fish, poultry, Cottage Cheese, Casein
    - Green Vegetable

    1:00pm
    - Eggs, fish, poultry, Cottage Cheese, Casein
    - Green Vegetable

    3:00pm
    - Eggs, fish, poultry, Cottage Cheese, Casein
    - Green Vegetable
    - 1 Multi –Vitamin
    - 1 ECA

    4:45pm
    - 10 BCAA’s

    5:00pm : WORKOUT



    6:30pm PWO-1
    - 46g of Whey Protein
    - 10 BCAA’s

    7:30pm PWO-2
    - 46g of Whey Protein

    9:30pm
    - 1 Cup Cottage Cheese or 1 Scoop Casein Protein
    - Green Vegetable
    - 1 tbsp fish oil
    - 1 tbsp olive oil
    - 2 ZMA Caps

    9 hours of sleep then do it all over again

    Sat/Sun: Carb Up Days
    Eat as above, except eat one of the following with every meal: Oatmeal, quinoa, yams, whole wheat pasta, shredded wheat, and brown rice





    The workout



    Monday: Chest
    A: BB Flat Wide Grip Bench Press, 8 x 3
    B: BB Incline Wide Grip Bench Press. 5 x 5
    C: DB Slight Incline Semi-Supinated Chest Press, 3 x 6.12,25 (Cut weight in half on each drop)
    D1: DB D-Cline Semi-Supinated Chest Press, 3 x 15
    D2: Cable Crossovers, 3 x 15

    Tuesday: Back
    A: Weighted Wide Grip Pull-Ups, 8 x 3
    B: Weighted Close Grip Chin-Ups, 5 x 5
    C: Semi-Supinated Lat Pull-Downs, 3 x 6,12,25
    D1: Triangle Cable Rows, 3 x 15
    D2: Reverse Flyes, 3 x 15

    Wednesday: Shoulders
    A: Behind Neck Push-Push Press, 8 x 3
    B: Hang Clean and Press, 5 x 5
    C: DB Seated Arnold Press, 3 x 6,12,25
    D1: DB Seated Semi-Supinated Press, 3 x 15
    D2: DB Lateral Raises, 3 x 15

    Thursday: Legs
    A: BSQ, 8 x 3
    B: DL, 5 x 5
    C: Leg Press, 3 x 6,12,25
    D1: HGR, 3 x 15
    D2: Leg Extension, 3 x 15

    Friday: Arms
    A: BB Flat Close Grip Bench Press, 8 x 3
    B: Weighted Dips, 5 x 5
    C: BB Standing Bicep Curl, 3 x 6,12,25
    D1: EZ Semi-Supinated Scott Curl, 3 x 15
    D2: EZ Reverse Scott Curl, 3 x 15

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    i think you should read more beofre you try that cycle.

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    Thanks but can you explaine

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    Where to begin. Ill give you 2 points youll have to study more on your own. I didnt see any PCT in your post either.
    1) dbol is used for gaining and winny is used for cutting.
    2) They are both 17aa (see hepatoxic) and shouldnt be run together.

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    WOw two orals for how long??????????

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    not a good cycle at all. as dupa asked, how long do you plan to run this?

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    ok im still new to this but oral stress the liver injection better am i rite also hows his diet it looks intresting to me
    Last edited by cantfly; 01-18-2008 at 04:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by im83931 View Post
    Where to begin. Ill give you 2 points youll have to study more on your own. I didnt see any PCT in your post either.
    1) dbol is used for gaining and winny is used for cutting.
    2) They are both 17aa (see hepatoxic) and shouldnt be run together.
    gotta cut in real fast..
    1) unless ur precomp and trying to dry up.. i dont think any aas has a set position on wat they are used for.. any aas can be effectivley used for bulking or dieting down as it is diet that dictates ones composition.

    2ndly) 2x 17aa's can be effectly and safely ran together as hepatoxicity is highly exagerated and in some cases combining 2 orals at lower doses can yield greater gains w/ less sides than the total sum of just one...

    parrotry is not an ideal means of helping others

    i personally like combinign drol/dbol at a 2:1 ratio.. very very effective.

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    Thats not parrotry.
    Its my opinion and just because I am new to the site doesnt mean I havent run successful cycles. I still stand by what I posted.

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    you may have ran successful cycles but blanket statements are not ideal in the field of endocrinology.

    you dont think you can gain almost the equivalent amount of LBM w/ win? many have expereinced better strength gains w/ win than they have w/ dbol due to it being a potent DHT.

    would you also suggest that drol is used for bulking only? even though it is a very potent anticatabolic agent and has the potentional to reduce ones appetite.. 2 very beneficial aspects for a reduced calorie intake...

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    I think you can gain with win. And I think you will keep more of your gains. It is a general statement but in general most people do use one for cutting and one for bulking. And I would not consider this legitimate endocrinology.

    But it really doesnt matter does it? You have your opinion and I have mine. Now this is my cheat night for eating so I am going o have pizza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by im83931 View Post
    I think you can gain with win. And I think you will keep more of your gains. It is a general statement but in general most people do use one for cutting and one for bulking. And I would not consider this legitimate endocrinology.

    But it really doesnt matter does it? You have your opinion and I have mine. Now this is my cheat night for eating so I am going o have pizza.
    hell i wouldnt even considere longivity clincis ENDOCRINOLOGY in the sense of medicinal purposes but its still got its title..

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    I will Taking winny for 4 weeks
    and I have 200 Dbol pills so for 40 days
    For PCT I will be taking a Shot of (Cant remember the name) was told it brings everything back to normal

    I know its not common to see Dbol and winny taken at the same time
    But I think my diet is Key to help me gain more lean mass then just blow up with water when on Dbol

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    I will Taking winny for 4 weeks
    and I have 200 Dbol pills so for 40 days
    For PCT I will be taking a Shot of (Cant remember the name) was told it brings everything back to normal

    I know its not common to see Dbol and winny taken at the same time
    But I think my diet is Key to help me gain more lean mass then just blow up with water when on Dbol
    Can't remember name Dude STOP this cycle or do not start you have not a clue as to what you are doing and to your body!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by taiboxa View Post
    gotta cut in real fast..
    1) unless ur precomp and trying to dry up.. i dont think any aas has a set position on wat they are used for.. any aas can be effectivley used for bulking or dieting down as it is diet that dictates ones composition.

    2ndly) 2x 17aa's can be effectly and safely ran together as hepatoxicity is highly exagerated and in some cases combining 2 orals at lower doses can yield greater gains w/ less sides than the total sum of just one...

    parrotry is not an ideal means of helping others

    i personally like combinign drol/dbol at a 2:1 ratio.. very very effective.
    do you get many sides from running both drol and dbol ? Whats your appetite like and do you take anything to combat the appetite suppression you may (and i definatley do too big time) from drol? B12?

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    horrible cycle

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    Your PCT is one shot of an unknown substance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salient View Post
    Your PCT is one shot of an unknown substance?
    I was wondering about that lol

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    Are you going to drink your winny?

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    you can drink winny?

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    I heard that you have to mix it with dbol to work.

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    if your gonna shoot a unknown substance for your pct why don't u shoot some test to make this cycle worth running???

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    Wow...........

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    Hey guys
    Thanks for all the replies good and bad
    The Name of the shot is HCG or I can take colmid

    The cycle and the diet was all provided to me by a pro trainer

    I told him I wanted to get lean gain a bit of muscle but my goal it to have nice lean shape

    I have been dieting for almost 1 year changed my hole life around training 4 to 5 times a week changing my program every couple of months and I got to the point where nothing is changing anymore I don’t see any results

    So I talked to the Trainer explained my goals and at first I wanted to take Anavar but he told me that it was to weak for want I wanted
    I told him that the last thing I wanted to do is blowup into a balloon
    He explained that if you watch what you eat and take Dbol (at low does witch I have read in other articles is very promising) you will gain more lean muscle then just water retention

    Now the thing I hate is when people leave comments like “You need to read more”
    I’ve been on this site for more than 2 years reading reading and reading some more
    And what I have found is that you have people who always tell you not to do something or it is a very bad idea are the same people who lie about taking anything and say its all natural

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    And BTW you can drink Winny according to a million postings on this site
    but I’m doing the Tab

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    hcg is suppressive and could not be used alone as pct. it will not restore your natural test levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave1622 View Post
    Now the thing I hate is when people leave comments like “You need to read more”
    I’ve been on this site for more than 2 years reading reading and reading some more
    And what I have found is that you have people who always tell you not to do something or it is a very bad idea are the same people who lie about taking anything and say its all natural
    After 2 years of research you really thought that was a good cycle? Could you point me towards any threads where someone credible says that would be a good cycle, because I've been here for a bit myself and don't remember seeing that.

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    What your doing goes against the grain on this site, but I'm following this. Please keep us posted on your results and good luck.

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    I read an Article about a study that was done using DBOL at low dose for a longer then usual period of time and the results where a lot better and the gain to keep ratio was higher

    Plus everyone is saying bad cycle bad diet but no one say what to do to make it better
    Because they don’t know
    How is that help when you tell someone bad but not give him a better way

    C’mon guys if you don’t know then don’t Leave stupid comments like Read more or bad cycle just to get more posts

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    I could spell it out for you in a way anyone would understand, even though you are clearly incapable of finding the right answer on your own. However due to your attitude you will get no help from me.
    Oh, and look, my post count just went up by 1.

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    lol
    Thanks Champ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ima******ger View Post
    I could spell it out for you in a way anyone would understand, even though you are clearly incapable of finding the right answer on your own. However due to your attitude you will get no help from me.
    Oh, and look, my post count just went up by 1.
    If you truly did the research you would know injectaables are the way to go. My post count went up by one as well.

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    For what to get big
    I don’t want to get big I dont want to blow up with water so that i can look cool for 3 months and then loose it all no thanks
    I want to gain lean mass that I can keep hence the Winny and Dbol to help with the kick start and energy since I won’t be taking much Carbs

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    A Ya go ahead. LOCK THIS THREAD!

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    Anyways Thanks for the Advice Dupa95
    I But I don’t think someone who looks like they have more than 30%BF and decide to do a DBOL cycle is the type of person I want advice from about Lean MASS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave1622 View Post
    Anyways Thanks for the Advice Dupa95
    I But I don’t think someone who looks like they have more than 30%BF and decide to do a DBOL cycle is the type of person I want advice from about Lean MASS
    yeah because he really has 30% bf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave1622 View Post
    Anyways Thanks for the Advice Dupa95
    I But I don’t think someone who looks like they have more than 30%BF and decide to do a DBOL cycle is the type of person I want advice from about Lean MASS
    Why dont you post some pics, newb?
    Show some respect.

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    Dbols and winny???

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    Now run back to the drawing board. We will all meet back here in another 2 years to check on your status.

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    I will post pics when done

    All I'm saying is I'm not the one with 30% + BF going on other peoples forms and bashing them just to sound like I know what I’m talking about with little comments like "" need to do more reading or newb only 33 postings"

    If you wanna Help PLZ good or bad no problem
    Just asking for explanations

    And running winny with DBOL will lower my water retention

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