Reed's Bulker

**Reed** · 10-19-2008, 08:04 PM

Whats up everyone!!!! Welcome to the madness!!!

This is my fall/winter bulker log and will be designed to bring up what i feel (as well as others) are weakness for next year's competitions. Focuses will be hams, calves, and upper chest. Primarily I will be focusing on bringing my hamstrings up and get more of that drop so I will be doing them twice a week.
Now on to the good stuff
Stats:
Height: 5'11''
Weight: 221lbs (caught a cold and shrank last week

)
Age: 24
Bf%: 8-10??

Cycle:
wk 1-10: Test P 50mg ed
wk 1-3: Dbol 50mg ed (might bump this up to 50mg)
wk 8-11: Winstrol : 60mg ed < Added to help increase hardness and lean me out a bit while I play around with my diet during those weeks.

PCT:
Nolva
HCG
6oxo
Proviron

Thats it for now on PCT, will talk to people watching over me to see if I should add in some Clen and bridge with Proviron in between this cycle and my contest cycle

Now I know its not your typical first timer cycle and would not recommend for a normal individual. I guess you could say I'm a special case

I will be taking CoQ10, milk thistle, 0mega-3's, multi x2 a day, and maybe some type of preworkout mixture but just a small mixture so I can bump the dose up at the end of the cycle. That'll be it on cycle supplements. Mostly diet

Diet:
Meal 1:
1 scoop of whey
5 whole eggs
cup of oatmeal

Meal 2:
10 oz of chicken
2 red potatos

Meal 3:
10 oz of red meat
2 red potatos
salad

Post workout:
2 scoops of whey
1.5 scoop of Natty PB
Gatorade
Milk

Meal 4:
10 oz of turkey
cup of rice
1/2 cup of cashews

Meal 5:
10 oz of red meat
2 red potatos
salad

Meal 6:
10 eggs
oatmeal

Bed time:
1.5 cups of cottage cheese
1.5 scoop of Natty PB

-Meals for me are interchangeable.

Workout:
Sunday: Back/hams/bi
Monday: Chest/tri/calves
Tues: off
Weds: Shoulders/forearms/abs
Thurs: Quads/hams/calves
Fri: Arms/abs
Sat: off

Well thats a basic overview, time to get it done. Enjoy yourself bitches

**MuscleScience** · 10-19-2008, 08:05 PM

Looks good, but what the hell is havoc???

**Reed** · 10-19-2008, 08:16 PM

Day 2: Did my first injections and doses yesterday. Already feeling more of a grip strength today and I decided not to use straps at all today. I know it sounds crazy, must be a placebo thing

Pulldowns:
100 x20
140 x20
180 x15
200 x15

Reverse grip bb rows:
135 x20
135 x20
185 x15
225 x12

Seated cable rows: 140 x20
180 x15
220 x12
240 +45lb plate x10

Hammer Rows (split weight in half for each side)
180 x20
270 x15
360 x12

Db rows: 120 x10
120 x10

Hams:
Lay down curl: 95 x 20 superset 65 x15
125 x15 superset 65 x15
140 x12 superset 65 x10

Single leg curl: 60 x15
80 x15

Biceps:
Hammer curl
40 x15
60 x12

Single arm preacher curl machine:
x15
x15

On the day I add in hams/biceps just doing a limited amount of work to just "pump" them up real quick. Has worked before in bringing up weaker parts then I'll pound them up on their respective days.

**Reed** · 10-19-2008, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

Looks good, but what the hell is havoc???

It is a legal supplement available on the market similar to Superdrol but much much less toxic, seen awesome logs and reviews on it and cheaper than anavar .

Basic over view
-sulfur containing steroidal androgen
-structure similar to methyl DHT
-seems to be very good for dry,hard muscle and strength gains and not for "wet" gains
- seems to work as a steroidal AI, so no other Prescription AI (Letro, Aromasin ) is needed for PCT or during cycle
- about 1100% anabolic and 70% compared to methyl test, in rats of course
- its a methyl though much much less toxic then superdrol

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 10-19-2008, 10:09 PM

Why the Dbol only 3 weeks?

**stpete** · 10-19-2008, 10:13 PM

What up buddy? I'll be following this closely. First, if you have the extra dbol , go ahead and up it man. I see you're doing more reps than your usual heavy. Any reason?
I don't have to tell you to keep up the good work...Shit, now i have to keep up with you. Asshole. haha

**Reed** · 10-19-2008, 10:37 PM

BigSexy- at the moment thats all I have on hand. Suppose to have more sent my way this week then I'll bump up the dose.

St.Pete- Yeah when I start out I like to start slow, low, really feel the reps at the beginning plus I didn't use any straps today

**Ernst** · 10-19-2008, 10:44 PM

Will follow....

Good Luck!

**stpete** · 10-19-2008, 10:51 PM

I hear ya. That's cool cause i do the same thing. And as far as the straps are concerned, don't use em til you go really heavy. Use those gloves you bought and go all out.
I just switched my workout up too. More reps for 2 more weeks, and it feels good to have a good pump.

**peachfuzz** · 10-20-2008, 12:39 PM

ill be following closely. gonna start my cycle here in a few weeks. im in no hurry. might get blood work done first but maybe ill log it as well.

the havoc is good stuff bro. caused me some shedding tho.

**Reed** · 10-20-2008, 12:49 PM

Sweet take your time fuzz. I got competitions to do so I'm in a rush so to say.

I see you lurking wukillabee.... Show your boy some love (or hate)

**Reed** · 10-20-2008, 12:52 PM

On a side note. I'm cutting the prop with some filtered oil and inject the muscle that I workout that day. I did right glute the first day and yesterday was the right lat. The pain is far far less than my first go around (lasted a week). The pain is more or less just the devirginizing pain of the needle (soreness) not so much of a constant painful stinging like last time.

**Dukkit** · 10-20-2008, 12:55 PM

its not a crazy big or highly dosed cycle, but whats the point of the weak ass PCT???

i know your going to be bridging a bit. but even so, i would either do a full PCT or not do a PCT at all. whats the point of even doing a weak PCT?

**Dukkit** · 10-20-2008, 12:57 PM

Post workout:
2 scoops of whey
1.5 scoop of Natty PB
Gatorade
Milk

since your bulking, i would add in some Waxy Maize to this PWO meal. its perfect for a bulker, you can keep the gatorade. mix it all in the same shake.

**Dinosaur** · 10-20-2008, 12:59 PM

looks like a good cycle, any before pics.
keep us updated.

**T_Own** · 10-20-2008, 01:03 PM

looks pretty solid. it does seem like a low dose for a bulker, and a pretty weak pct, but the rest looks pretty good

**Reed** · 10-20-2008, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw

its not a crazy big or highly dosed cycle, but whats the point of the weak ass PCT???

i know your going to be bridging a bit. but even so, i would either do a full PCT or not do a PCT at all. whats the point of even doing a weak PCT?

Its cause the Havoc is a steroidal AI and will lower my estrogen enough that if I run a prescription AI it may dip it too low. 20mgs of Nolva is plenty in most PCT's plus the Proviron will help with the estrogen control post cycle

If I had the money I'd purchase some waxy maize but no point in adding that in cause I'll be getting plenty of carbs from the milk and gatorade. If I take out those I'll just use oats instead. I ain't a baller

**Dukkit** · 10-20-2008, 01:05 PM

also... if your bridging and going from one cycle to another in a decently short amount of time. i would get some HCG . keep your little buddies down there working in tip top shape. i know proviron isnt supposed to be too harsh on your HPTA. but since you have it planned to do a weak ass PCT your levels wont reach normal or stable levels in the first place. so the Proviron may not affect your testosterone , but your testosterone will already be low. which we all know you dont want. so get some HCG, do a better PCT, get your levels a bit more back to normal and your nuts working properly

just my 2cc's

**Dukkit** · 10-20-2008, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

Its cause the Havoc is a steroidal AI and will lower my estrogen enough that if I run a prescription AI it may dip it too low. 20mgs of Nolva is plenty in most PCT's plus the Proviron will help with the estrogen control post cycle

If I had the money I'd purchase some waxy maize but no point in adding that in cause I'll be getting plenty of carbs from the milk and gatorade. If I take out those I'll just use oats instead. I ain't a baller

yes but the point of PCT isnt just about estrogen. its about your test levels. so your going to want to try to get your test levels as normal as possible so that

a. you dont lose gains

b. when you start the proviron your levels are strong and high enough not to be affected by it in such a way to shut you down. if your test levels are already low, then when you start your proviron, i dont care how "not suppressive it is" its going to prevent your levels from raising and being on just proviron with low test isnt what you want

**Dukkit** · 10-20-2008, 01:09 PM

how long are you planning on bridging and waitin till you do your next contest prep cycle after this bulker?

**Reed** · 10-20-2008, 01:09 PM

Alright I'll up the dose of the Nolva to 40mgs for the first two weeks then drop it to 20mgs the last two weeks

I'm not seeing how its a weak ass PCT with that. And I'll be thinking of the HCG

**Dukkit** · 10-20-2008, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

Alright I'll up the dose of the Nolva to 40mgs for the first two weeks then drop it to 20mgs the last two weeks

I'm not seeing how its a weak ass PCT with that. And I'll be thinking of the HCG

hey, im just sayin my opinion. some wont agree. it wont hurt my feelings if you listen or not bro.

i got your back either way. lol

**Reed** · 10-20-2008, 01:12 PM

Probably 4 weeks of PCt 2 weeks of nothing then the cycle.

I'm thinking most of you over do your PCT dip your estro levels to low and the results are what you look like.

I've run low dose Nolva on my prosteroid cycles and manage to maintain most of everything plus get back to normal.

I'll see what Horse has to say has he is the one helping me with this

**Dukkit** · 10-20-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

Probably 4 weeks of PCt 2 weeks of nothing then the cycle.

I'm thinking most of you over do your PCT dip your estro levels to low and the results are lacking gains.

some of us do probably do a too strong PCT. not i said the blind man.
i never use an AI during cycle so i see more gains. and during pct i either hold off on using a single AI or ill do a super low dose. i have found i keep more of my strength during PCT and after this way.

**Reed** · 10-20-2008, 01:15 PM

Lets hear your PCT recommendation dukkit

You have to understand that Havoc is a steroidal AI and adding addition prescription strength AI will may lower my estrogen to much and cause the rebound effect. Hence why I left out a AI during PCT

**Dukkit** · 10-20-2008, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

Probably 4 weeks of PCt 2 weeks of nothing then the cycle.

I'm thinking most of you over do your PCT dip your estro levels to low and the results are what you look like.

I've run low dose Nolva on my prosteroid cycles and manage to maintain most of everything plus get back to normal.

I'll see what Horse has to say has he is the one helping me with this

i wasnt sayin that your PCT is weak in terms of estrogen control. thats not the issue. but it is weak in terms of getting your balls/testosterone levels back to normal ASAP.

**Reed** · 10-20-2008, 01:18 PM

I understand exactly what your saying. I was thinking of HCG towards the end and 2 weeks into my PCT

**Dukkit** · 10-20-2008, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

Lets hear your PCT recommendation dukkit

You have to understand that Havoc is a steroidal AI and adding addition prescription strength AI will may lower my estrogen to much and cause the rebound effect. Hence why I left out a AI during PCT

like i said. im not talkin about estrogen here.
but to get your LH pumping out test.

Nolva - 40mg/day wk 1-2
20mg/day wk 3-4

Clomid - 100mg/day wk 1-2
50mg/day wk 3-4

plus HCG .

this way youll be getting your HPTA into action (Clomid fights the negative feedback loop that estrogen has on your HPTA. which stimulates Test.) (Nolva raises serum levels of LH and such which raise test)

so you comin at your HPTA in 2 different ways to get your test production back

also... Clomd and Nolva DONT REDUCE estrogen. They just BLOCK it from binding and causing gyno symptoms. so you will still have the estrogen in your body to help with your gains. but it wont affect you by LOWERING the estro.

and the HCG to stimulate your actual nuts a bit more

**Dukkit** · 10-20-2008, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

I understand exactly what your saying. I was thinking of HCG towards the end and 2 weeks into my PCT

thats perfect.

**Reed** · 10-20-2008, 01:32 PM

thats what i'll do hcg the last two weeks and 2 weeks into PCT with the Nolva maybe throw in 6 oxo at the start of my PCT

Your right, I was planning/thinking on HCG and now I know I need to since I am bridging or running two cycles pretty close together

Thanks for your input dukkit.

**Dukkit** · 10-20-2008, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

thats what i'll do hcg the last two weeks and 2 weeks into PCT with the Nolva maybe throw in 6 oxo at the start of my PCT

Your right, I was planning/thinking on HCG and now I know I need to since I am bridging or running two cycles pretty close together

Thanks for your input dukkit.

no problem man. just want to see a fellow brother get huge!!!

**Reed** · 10-20-2008, 01:36 PM

Revised PCT will be:

Nolva
HCG
6oxo
Proviron

You happy now dukkit

**Dukkit** · 10-20-2008, 01:43 PM

lol

im never happy. but that will work.

for now

**WARMachine** · 10-20-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw

like i said. im not talkin about estrogen here.
but to get your LH pumping out test.

Nolva - 40mg/day wk 1-2
20mg/day wk 3-4

Clomid - 100mg/day wk 1-2
50mg/day wk 3-4

plus HCG .

this way youll be getting your HPTA into action (Clomid fights the negative feedback loop that estrogen has on your HPTA. which stimulates Test.) (Nolva raises serum levels of LH and such which raise test)

so you comin at your HPTA in 2 different ways to get your test production back

also... Clomd and Nolva DONT REDUCE estrogen. They just BLOCK it from binding and causing gyno symptoms. so you will still have the estrogen in your body to help with your gains. but it wont affect you by LOWERING the estro.

and the HCG to stimulate your actual nuts a bit more

I dont feel Clomid is needed when using an AI. It doesnt hurt, but i dont see what Clomid does that Nolva and an AI doesnt.

Not to mention HCG use on top.

At the very least, i never take over 50mgs of Clomid. Anything more than that gives me sides like blurred vision.

JMO!

Ill be following along Reed! Looking forward to the end result!

-WAR

**Reed** · 10-20-2008, 03:15 PM

Alright people no need to start an arguement over this little man's PCT. Thanks for everyones input. I will get it worked out I promise.

Thanks for the love everyone!!!!! Hope to get HUGE!!! Now lets all place bets on how much my end weight will be!!! I plan on having a lot of fun in this log!!!

**wukillabee** · 10-20-2008, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

Alright people no need to start an arguement over this little man's PCT. Thanks for everyones input. I will get it worked out I promise.

Thanks for the love everyone!!!!! Hope to get HUGE!!! Now lets all place bets on how much my end weight will be!!! I plan on having a lot of fun in this log!!!

Fu*k, i thought this was a pct thread, not a log! Haha! I think ur revised pct is fine bro, for sure use the hcg , nolva, prov, not too sure bout clomid and 6oxo on top of all that though. You'll know what works for u when u get there bro. Anyways, i say gain 15-20lbs and lose some fat, thats my estimate. What do u think? I didnt know u where already 221lbs bro, ur gonna be crazy after this cycle! Ill be watching. Didnt get to post earlier cus i was in a rush for work, glad i didnt since it looked like hrs of pct debate anyways, haha.

**Reed** · 10-20-2008, 06:59 PM

Alright ladies todays workout
Day 3: Overall good day. Did a chest injection and it went fine. Little redness afterwards but it went away after a few minutes.

Anyway here we are

Incline db: 35 x20
60 x15
90 x15
110 x10
120 x7

BB bench supersetted w/ incline flyes (slow and controlled nothing too heavy.... yet)
135 x15 supersetted 35lbs flyes x15
185 x15 supersetted 55lb x10
225 x12 supersetted 55lb x8

Cable crossover:
x20
x15
x15

Incline Press Machine: w/ "hammer grip"
x20
x15
x12

Tricep pushdowns: x20
x15
x15

Rope pushdowns: x20
x20
x15

Did abs

All exercised were performed w/ slow controlled, squeezing reps. The machines at the gym aren't labeled a weight so I'll just have to put the reps performed but I always go heavier as I progress during the exercise regardless.

**wukillabee** · 10-20-2008, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Reed500

Alright ladies todays workout
Day 3: Overall good day. Did a chest injection and it went fine. Little redness afterwards but it went away after a few minutes.

Anyway here we are

Incline db: 35 x20
60 x15
90 x15
110 x10
120 x7

BB bench supersetted w/ incline flyes (slow and controlled nothing too heavy.... yet)
135 x15 supersetted 35lbs flyes x15
185 x15 supersetted 55lb x10
225 x12 supersetted 55lb x8

Cable crossover:
x20
x15
x15

Incline Press Machine: w/ "hammer grip"
x20
x15
x12

Tricep pushdowns: x20
x15
x15

Rope pushdowns: x20
x20
x15

Did abs

All exercised were performed w/ slow controlled, squeezing reps. The machines at the gym aren't labeled a weight so I'll just have to put the reps performed but I always go heavier as I progress during the exercise regardless.

Sounds like my workout for tomorrow. That sucks the machines arent labeled, as long as ur movin weight then your great! Haha, cat in the hat. What oil u cuttin with? Hearin ethyl oleate is the best and thinest to use. Little pricey but well worth it. Im sure u know this already though.

**T_Own** · 10-20-2008, 10:45 PM

just to add a little bit more on the pct.. i don't see the point of 6oxo when it supposedly raises natural test, but your natural test is still almost none. i guess it would be feasible a few weeks into pct, but it seems like at first it would do next to nothing

lol done with that. get big