1st cycle see pics... 7 weeks in now...

**daniel_3855** · 12-14-2008, 02:05 PM

1st cycle... see pics can you see a difference???
iam starting week 7 tomz....
cycle....

test e 1-12 500mg per week...
dbol 1-4 35mg ed
proviron 8-16 20mg ed
anavar 7-14 50mg ed
adex .25 ed up to week 8 when i start the prov then will be .25 eod..

pct 16-19
clomid 50/50/50/50
nolva 20/20/20/20
and adding in some prov 20/20

diet has been crap for the last 4 weeks cheated every day...and just had the odd chicken breast and tin of tuna for protien... but from tomz it will start again and be strict...

**sonysucks** · 12-14-2008, 04:03 PM

Nice ,I can see some size improvements but they are a bit slight, however I can notice you are leaner in the mid section...what is/was your goal...bulk up or cut down?
I am presently at 9 weeks on what is damn near exactly the same cycle
1-12 sust 2cc per week
1-4 dbo @50
6-14 anavar at 60mg
1-12 adex .50eod
even our planned pct is the same.
For comparison whats your stats.../
I am 5'9" and started at 175, now at 189.
I am 40+ which you are not...

**daniel_3855** · 12-14-2008, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by sonysucks

Nice ,I can see some size improvements but they are a bit slight, however I can notice you are leaner in the mid section...what is/was your goal...bulk up or cut down?
I am presently at 9 weeks on what is damn near exactly the same cycle
1-12 sust 2cc per week
1-4 dbo @50
6-14 anavar at 60mg
1-12 adex .50eod
even our planned pct is the same.
For comparison whats your stats.../
I am 5'9" and started at 175, now at 189.
I am 40+ which you are not...

hey bud iam 24 5ft9 i was 175 before i started i think but not been on the scales yet.... ye feel like i have lost bf on mid... and that pic was just taken after a sunday roast and a couple of pints.... my goal is to get lean and cut bf near the end... will be hard but think its working a little already... 4 people ie friends and family have said in the last week your looking bigger... and my t-shirts are geting tight so must of put a little size on...cant wait to start to var tomz

have you gained any good size ect? .... i think if my diet was on i would of gained more but the test only been kicked in fo a week or 2 up to now...

**honda450** · 12-14-2008, 05:28 PM

Leaner in the mid section. You should notice more by week 12.

**sonysucks** · 12-14-2008, 08:55 PM

Diet will make your money and effort spent on the cycle more worth it. My first cycle was with a little roid knowledge and no diet knowledge. This one has seen me spending more time working on my diet than my cycle and the gains seem way better...but I am too chubby this time and the last two weeks were lost due to unknown reason...I have only 3 weeks left till its beach time and I must make some changes...the folks here are helping. so If I can I will pay it forward and will offer you any advice I can from my experiences...my first will be...write out a diet with the macros...its educational and will make it simple math to play with to measure and manage. Plus as you learn it will not only impress your freinds ,but also give you a way to explain away your sudden noticeable gains.

**WARMachine** · 12-14-2008, 10:48 PM

^^^ I agree with the above...

I see minimal improvements... Like you said, you need diet help.

Post it up with macros.

**daniel_3855** · 12-15-2008, 01:43 AM

my diet was ok when i started but with bein off work for the last 4weeks it just stoped... me bein lazy...

this my diet.... ye i know it needs work but iam sure its ok to gain some size. ... all meals 3 hours apart.

full cup of oats, 1 scoop of whey.. 15ml flax seed oil

tin of tuna... 1 slice of holemeal bread...

tin of tuna... 2 slices of holemeal bread..

pwo shake... 15ml flax seed oil

chicken breast with sweet potato, or brown pasta

casien shake.

pro 170g... carb 125g...fat 50g

my diet is mainly for cutting as my mid section need to go for holiday next year... i have trouble eating always feel sick when on diets...

i will try and add another tin of tuna in there somewere and some pasta.

**xo3et** · 12-15-2008, 07:04 AM

One day ill be looking to do a cycle like yours.

I must say though and no offence, but if I was doing a cycle I would have my diet in check and wouldn't even consider being lazy about my food intake.

**ClubberLangsUncle** · 12-15-2008, 07:05 AM

So for a bulking diet, just pig out for 10 weeks?

**melbgymnst** · 12-15-2008, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by daniel_3855

my diet was ok when i started but with bein off work for the last 4weeks it just stoped... me bein lazy...

this my diet.... ye i know it needs work but iam sure its ok to gain some size. ... all meals 3 hours apart.

full cup of oats, 1 scoop of whey.. 15ml flax seed oil

tin of tuna... 1 slice of holemeal bread...

tin of tuna... 2 slices of holemeal bread..

pwo shake... 15ml flax seed oil

chicken breast with sweet potato, or brown pasta

casien shake.

pro 170g... carb 125g...fat 50g

my diet is mainly for cutting as my mid section need to go for holiday next year... i have trouble eating always feel sick when on diets...

i will try and add another tin of tuna in there somewere and some pasta.

there is no way that if i had just spent all this money on gear, that i would let it go to waste by failing to keep up with my diet. its only for 10 weeks or so bro, just lug it out and was just wondering if your having any symptoms of gyno ? no flame intended bro. could just be the bodyfat is still abit high, but correct me if im wrong in your picture it looks like your nipples are starting to get abit puffy.

**daniel_3855** · 12-15-2008, 09:16 AM

i know what you are all saying.... from today iam sticking to my diet.... always had puffy nipples from teens not gyno.... got another 7 weeks so should gain more size now with the test bein kicked in... will post pics at the end... does my diet look ok?? mainly to cut with some bulk.

**Iceman69** · 12-15-2008, 10:50 AM

I see gains in your arms and you have lost good fat from your midsection.....but your diet needs a lot of work.....and i would like to see your lifting routine.......

....you are also taking too much gear for a beginner.....

**DSM4Life** · 12-15-2008, 10:02 PM

I see improvement. Then again i see improvement that could have EASILY been made without gear.

**Pinkharley** · 12-23-2008, 11:16 PM

Daniel ,hows it coming?

**daniel_3855** · 12-24-2008, 04:20 PM

its going great but still been eating bad the last day or 2 due to crimbo.... luv the var mega pumps and strengh gains... i have put on 11lbs and lost bf so the 11lbs must be mass and cant be bloat as iam on proviorn and .25ed of adex now.. will do a bulk cycle next year when i have lost more bf and this time make sure my diet it right....

**daniel_3855** · 12-24-2008, 04:34 PM

workout is

mon chest tri
tues bies fores
wed back
thurs tries shouders
fri bies tries
sat off
sun minor back workout

my arms are defo bigger t-shirts geting very tight and my traps are geting bigger you can also see this in the pic a little....

chest workout is

bb press 3 sets
bb incline press 3 sets
decline flys 3 sets
incline flyes 2 sets
flat flyes 2 sets.

tries

skull crush 3 sets
weighted dips 3 sets
close grip bp 3 sets

bies

hammer curls 3 sets
db curls 3 sets
bb curls 3 sets

shoulders

front raises 3 sets
side raises 3 sets
dont no what the other 1 is called

traps

bb front shrugs 3 sets
bb rear shrugs 3 sets
db side shrugs 2 sets

more back workouts ie pull ups bent over rows ect.....

**AdamGH** · 12-25-2008, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by daniel_3855

workout is

mon chest tri
tues bies fores
wed back
thurs tries shouders
fri bies tries
sat off
sun minor back workout

my arms are defo bigger t-shirts geting very tight and my traps are geting bigger you can also see this in the pic a little....

chest workout is

bb press 3 sets
bb incline press 3 sets
decline flys 3 sets
incline flyes 2 sets
flat flyes 2 sets.

tries

skull crush 3 sets
weighted dips 3 sets
close grip bp 3 sets

bies

hammer curls 3 sets
db curls 3 sets
bb curls 3 sets

shoulders

front raises 3 sets
side raises 3 sets
dont no what the other 1 is called

traps

bb front shrugs 3 sets
bb rear shrugs 3 sets
db side shrugs 2 sets

more back workouts ie pull ups bent over rows ect.....

you are on juice bro. you need to be pushing some weight. 7 sets of fly's and shoulder raises aren't going to cut it. you need to be doing barbell presses, dumbbell incline presses, weighted dips, military presses, dumbbell shoulder press, upright rows.... do some mass growing exercises. also, where is the leg exercises? the split over all is no good. the more i read what you are doing the more i am doubting any success at all with this cycle.

splits should be for example:

#1 chest/triceps
#2 shoulders/abs
#3 back/biceps
#4 legs/ abs

or

#1 chest
#2 shoulders/abs
#3 back
#4 arms
#5 legs/abs

**AdamGH** · 12-25-2008, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by daniel_3855

my diet was ok when i started but with bein off work for the last 4weeks it just stoped... me bein lazy...

this my diet.... ye i know it needs work but iam sure its ok to gain some size. ... all meals 3 hours apart.

full cup of oats, 1 scoop of whey.. 15ml flax seed oil

tin of tuna... 1 slice of holemeal bread...

tin of tuna... 2 slices of holemeal bread..

pwo shake... 15ml flax seed oil

chicken breast with sweet potato, or brown pasta

casien shake.

pro 170g... carb 125g...fat 50g

my diet is mainly for cutting as my mid section need to go for holiday next year... i have trouble eating always feel sick when on diets...

i will try and add another tin of tuna in there somewere and some pasta.

not enough food. stop with the shakes, and eat whole food. do something like this maybe

#1 eggs/oats
#2 chicken/potato
#3 tuna/broccoli
#4 chicken/potato
#5 tuna/broccoli
#6 chicken/potato

portion sizes will be directly related to daily calorie needs.

**daniel_3855** · 12-25-2008, 05:57 AM

thanks for the info.... can you give me a chest workout and how many sets ect?

on my chest were it says bb thats barbell presses so iam doing 6 sets of them and 7 sets of flys?

also is my trap workout ok? my arms are geting big so think that workout is ok.... just need a good chest and trap workout.... i have bad shoulders so cant do much with them....

**AdamGH** · 12-25-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by daniel_3855

thanks for the info.... can you give me a chest workout and how many sets ect?

on my chest were it says bb thats barbell presses so iam doing 6 sets of them and 7 sets of flys?

also is my trap workout ok? my arms are geting big so think that workout is ok.... just need a good chest and trap workout.... i have bad shoulders so cant do much with them....

do what you can for your shoulders. just remember whatever effort you put in in exercise is equal to what you get out. if you slack on something dont complain if something appears out proportion or weak.

chest:

warm up barbell bench - 1 to 2 sets- 10-15 reps- whatever weight thats not to heavy that can get the muscle warm.
barbell bench press - 4 sets- heavy as hell with good form-8-10 reps
incline dumbbell bench - 4 sets - heavy as hell with good form - 8-10 reps
weighted dips - 4 sets -10 reps
optional:
cable fly's - 4 sets 10 reps - slow and really focus on feeling your chest burn.

***FireGuy*** · 12-25-2008, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by AdamGH

you are on juice bro. you need to be pushing some weight. 7 sets of fly's and shoulder raises aren't going to cut it. you need to be doing barbell presses, dumbbell incline presses, weighted dips, military presses, dumbbell shoulder press, upright rows.... do some mass growing exercises. also, where is the leg exercises? the split over all is no good. the more i read what you are doing the more i am doubting any success at all with this cycle.

splits should be for example:

#1 chest/triceps
#2 shoulders/abs
#3 back/biceps
#4 legs/ abs

or

#1 chest
#2 shoulders/abs
#3 back
#4 arms
#5 legs/abs

But those exercises wear you out and make you tired, and legs take a lot of effort and can make you sore afterwards.

**AdamGH** · 12-25-2008, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by FireGuy1

But those exercises wear you out and make you tired, and legs take a lot of effort and can make you sore afterwards.

hehe

**bigp87** · 01-09-2009, 07:54 PM

Any updates??

**DSM4Life** · 01-09-2009, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by FireGuy1

But those exercises wear you out and make you tired, and legs take a lot of effort and can make you sore afterwards.

Jumping on a cycle without a decent workout , priceless.

**daniel_3855** · 02-06-2009, 07:16 AM

Pics.... 2 WEEKS AFTER CYCLE... YE I KNOW NOT MADE AS MUCH AS I COULD OF DUE TO MY DIET WAS NOT ON TRACK.... WAS ONLY EATING 1500CALS PER DAY...MY MAIN GOAL WAS TO CUTT NOT MASS. LESSON LEARNT.

**daniel_3855** · 02-06-2009, 07:44 AM

before cycle pic 11 stone 4lbs

Attachment 96951

**drummerofgod87** · 02-06-2009, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by FireGuy1

But those exercises wear you out and make you tired, and legs take a lot of effort and can make you sore afterwards.

Yeah, fvck legs. No girl sees them anyway, right? So what's the point?

**Jfew44** · 02-06-2009, 10:05 AM

Overall, I see good progress bro. Imagine what you could do with a good base and diet

**Jfew44** · 02-06-2009, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by drummerofgod87

Yeah, fvck legs. No girl sees them anyway, right? So what's the point?

Skinny legs make your penis look bigger

**daniel_3855** · 02-06-2009, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Jfew44

Overall, I see good progress bro. Imagine what you could do with a good base and diet

thanks.... i know when i do my next cycle will have a proper diet...

oh beofre cycle i was 11 stone 4lbs

today 13 stone 1lb..

**daniel_3855** · 02-06-2009, 10:25 AM

oh from week 10 i started to grow rapid alot of the size came in the last 2 weeks? it was like the test kicked at week 10??

and after doing a search on my online supplier i found out that my test e is not as strong as it should be ect... also faked there lab results???

**Ljavy17** · 02-06-2009, 11:07 AM

Ur vascular as shit man!! Youll be a freak at under 10 percent Body fat. Have you ever done any NO products?

**XD40** · 02-06-2009, 11:14 AM

how do you have a tat on your right arm in the before pic and in the after pic you have no tat on your right arm but it is now on the left ? seems strange to me?

***FireGuy*** · 02-06-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by XD40

how do you have a tat on your right arm in the before pic and in the after pic you have no tat on your right arm but it is now on the left ? seems strange to me?

Cause one pic is being taken from someone and the other he is taking in the mirror.

**daniel_3855** · 02-06-2009, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by FireGuy1

Cause one pic is being taken from someone and the other he is taking in the mirror.

correct

**daniel_3855** · 02-06-2009, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Ljavy17

Ur vascular as shit man!! Youll be a freak at under 10 percent Body fat. Have you ever done any NO products?

dont understand mate no products? also whats vascular mean? lol

anyone no what my bf is?

**kenny280** · 02-08-2009, 06:07 AM

Skinny legs make your penis look bigger

man if only that was true...lol

**molecule** · 02-08-2009, 06:20 AM

Do u do cardio? If yes how much and what? Also for abs what do you perform and how many sets?

**daniel_3855** · 02-08-2009, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by molecule

Do u do cardio? If yes how much and what? Also for abs what do you perform and how many sets?

cardio i use the cross trainer half an hour 3-4 times per week.

only just started doing abs about 4 weeks ago all i do is the ab lounge 4 sets and decline weighted sit ups 4 sets... 2x per week.... my top and middle abs are starting to pop out big time so iam going to add a lower ab workout something like hanging leg raises... in the pics cant really see my abs but the top 4 are coming out fast and nice.

i do all my workouts in my room dont go gym..