First Injectable Cycle Ever wooohooo

[FeelinSwole]

First off I just wanna say that I'm a seasoned vet as far as ph/ps's go. M1T, Ergopharm, Pheraplex, Superdrol, Epistane. Did each of those two cycles over about 6 years. Now I'm ready for real gear.
My stats: lifting for 8 years, 6'2" 205 lbs. approx 10-12% bf.
My Goal: Gain a solid 10lbs. lean mass while dropping bf for summer

My Cycle:
Sustanon 250: 2x/week - 500mg/week
Running this for 5 total weeks
Test Prop: 100mg eod - 20 days
Winstrol: 50mg ed - 40 days
Arimidex: .5mg ed - whole cycle
Clenbuterol: 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off

So basically running sust 5 weeks, followed by prop for 3 weeks, winny weeks 3-8.

My reasoning: Sust has long esters which will give me a slow steady rise in test for 5 weeks, while prop will give me stable blood levels for the last 3 weeks of my cycle. Winny and Prop will help solidify my gains and help me keep my muscles hard and tight while on clen while gaining some lean mass. This should result in my goal of gaining lean mass while dropping body fat for summer.

Diet and PCT is in check so don't even bother asking. What you guys think? And I will be using only these substances so don't recommend adding this or that, I just want opinions on if you think this will help me achieve my goal. Also, feel free to tell me what body part I should work on, and what exercises
to help me improve that part. Thanks

[The Deuce]

If you could make it so you were injecting the SUST EOD then I would say you are all set to go... That's my only suggestion in that department...

And as far as your lifts go... Try and hit more of INCLINE BENCH... Can't really get the whole picture with the One pic you have up but lookin' good bro !!

[CHUCKYthentic]

why are you running clen during your cycle, just curious?

id drop the adex down to .25mg EOD

and sorry bro but what is your planned pct?

Age?

and ya as Duece said, sus EOD

[wukillabee]

why are you running clen during your cycle, just curious?

id drop the adex down to .25mg EOD

and sorry bro but what is your planned pct?

Age?

and ya as Duece said, sus EOD

Agree but once again, why r people running fu$king arimi with their first cycle? Seriously, waste of money and possible gains since u dont even know if u need it but r just gonna run it in case? I swear, everyone on this board talkin bout first cycle includes this, never understood that.
Anyways, eod on shots, do it 10 weeks total, id take the clen 8 weeks straight using beny to keep the receptors fresh, no ai (arimidex) unless for sure gyno symps are starting then id run .25 arimi eod til sides go away then once gone stop taking the arimi. PCT?

[Reed]

you don't need clen while bulking i see people do it alot.....makes no sense.... if you are worried about getting fat get your diet in line and you won't have too

and an AI on a first cycle i'd avoid.... estrogen is beneficial and suppressing it can fukk that cycle up

[CHUCKYthentic]

^^^x2 to that, well said

[wukillabee]

you don't need clen while bulking i see people do it alot.....makes no sense.... if you are worried about getting fat get your diet in line and you won't have too

and an AI on a first cycle i'd avoid.... estrogen is beneficial and suppressing it can fukk that cycle up

I thought he said he wants to cut for summer? Yeah if hes bulking then no clen. I really dont think u need clen anyways since u seem lean already. Im sure if u just hit the cardio hard and focus on ur diet and training youll be straight.

[Reed]

well no one should ever do a ALL out bulk if their worried about their physique.... always a lean bulk.... w/ proper nutrition plus he has winstrol (another reason he won't need that AI) in there so whats the point of adding more and more drugs especially clen

[CHUCKYthentic]

well no one should ever do a ALL out bulk if their worried about their physique.... always a lean bulk.... w/ proper nutrition plus he has winstrol (another reason he won't need that AI) in there so whats the point of adding more and more drugs especially clen

Rookie question probably Reed, but you brought up a point that makes me curious

What does the winstrol have to do with him not needing an AI? Bloat?

[wukillabee]

well no one should ever do a ALL out bulk if their worried about their physique.... always a lean bulk.... w/ proper nutrition plus he has winstrol (another reason he won't need that AI) in there so whats the point of adding more and more drugs especially clen

Of course but he wants to get really cut! Haha. For sure no deal on the ai. His cycle setup is kinda odd from the get go, makes sense but odd to me. Sust/Prop/Winny/Clen first cycle and only 8 weeks? Yeaahhh, idk about all that. Stick with the prop if u want to lean out and winny. Clen is up in the air but like i said, if your focused and hit the cardio hard there will be no need for the clen really.

[CHUCKYthentic]

Ya im skeptic of the Sus then switch to Prop as well. Like you said, makes sense but odd

I agree, if you re only going to run an 8 week cycle, cutting, go with prop. but with them virgin muscles, frequent injects may not be ideal for u

[Reed]

Rookie question probably Reed, but you brought up a point that makes me curious

What does the winstrol have to do with him not needing an AI? Bloat?

DHT is know to have protection against estrogen in the body.

Being that winstrol is a DHT derived compound it can inhibit estrogenic activity on tissues

DHT has also been shown to directly block the production of estrogens from androgens by inhibiting the aromatase enzyme

[CHUCKYthentic]

Holy shit man Im taken back LOL

Shameful to say I had no idea about that, wow

Thanks bro, dont tell anyone tho LOL

[Reed]

Who doesn't want to get cut and huge at the same time

Sorry its much harder than most think and can be next to impossible for some. He stated he wants to gain 10lbs so he wants to bulk....

The cycle looks odd and he might want to hold off or get some more as the blend has esters that won't even begin to start going until he is finished which would be a complete waste IMO

[T-MOS]

nevermind

[Reed]

Holy shit man Im taken back LOL

Shameful to say I had no idea about that, wow

Thanks bro, dont tell anyone tho LOL

well again this is all just in theory....

alot of sources of reading may not be as accurate as we like to think and we truly don't understand alot about how some of the compounds interact with our body. IE how anadrol a DHT compound has been known to cause gyno, it doesn't aromatase but maybe has some sort of interaction w/ the receptor..... so best bet is trial and error.... and with his amounts and the winstrol I think its best to keep the AI handy....

[CHUCKYthentic]

great point

just like how tren doesnt aromatize, but can bind to the progesterone receptor

[Reed]

yep and if only I loved repetition of stuff that can be easily learned here you'd see me in the Q+A section more

ME? I just like to pick out one person everyone once and while, be real with them but not demeaning and help them as best i can.... thats what I like to do.... I ripped my computer in half being on tren right now and going over the same shit day in and day out

[WARMachine]

great point

just like how tren doesnt aromatize, but can bind to the progesterone receptor

Yep. btw, left a comment for you in a thread in Q&A.


And Reed, is that the real reason why you dont venture into Q&A.

I ripped my computer in half being on tren right now and going over the same shit day in and day out

Wow i guess roid rage is true.

[Reed]

Yep. btw, left a comment for you in a thread in Q&A.


And Reed, is that the real reason why you dont venture into Q&A.




Wow i guess roid rage is true.

yes i did do questions for months, it gets annoying saying the same shit over and over and over.... I'd rather have intelligent conversations with peeps down in the lounge about stuff instead of what should i take, what should i take, what should i FUKKIN TAKE AHHHHHHHHHHHH

[WARMachine]

Well lucky for those people, i patroll there. lol

[FeelinSwole]

ok I'm back...I gave it some thought. This is my first IM cycle, IM CYCLE. So, I'm gonna do sustanon 250 2x per week tues n fri for 10 weeks. I would rather not do eod injections since I haven't injected myself yet. I'm throwing in the winny for 40 days at the end of my cycle. Why do you guys suggest laying off the AI? My friends who ran sust say there's alot of bloat in the face and all over. I'm cutting for summer and don't wanna look like the marshmallow man. Also, I'm taking out the clen and doing the eca stack 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, two times. PCT would be nolvadex 40/40/20/20 starting 17 days after last injection.

[wukillabee]

ok I'm back...I gave it some thought. This is my first IM cycle, IM CYCLE. So, I'm gonna do sustanon 250 2x per week tues n fri for 10 weeks. I would rather not do eod injections since I haven't injected myself yet. I'm throwing in the winny for 40 days at the end of my cycle. Why do you guys suggest laying off the AI? My friends who ran sust say there's alot of bloat in the face and all over. I'm cutting for summer and don't wanna look like the marshmallow man. Also, I'm taking out the clen and doing the eca stack 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, two times. PCT would be nolvadex 40/40/20/20 starting 17 days after last injection.

Then why u on here askin? Listen to ur bros who know it all. Do some research and read susts profile and see why it should be shot at least eod, then read test enth/cyp's profiles and see why u can shot those just twice a week, then read test props profile to see why it should be shot eod at least, then a lot more understanding will go on in ur mind answering ur own questions. Got Bloat? Got Diet? Eca or clen? Shell gas or chevron? Same shit basically except half life of course of eca compared to clen but same thing. Pct sucks too imo and where did u pull 17 days out of to start pct? If ur doing a sust (which it sounds like u really shouldnt) or a long ester then run it 12 weeks. If u can man up to pin 2 more times a week (4 total per week) with slightly less bloat then run test prop for 8-10 weeks if u want to run a short cycle. Long ester aas does not equal short cycle. Seems u got to read up and educate urself a hell of a lot more before u pin urself bro, real shit. Listen to me, listen to ur bros, listen to whoever u want but in the end its your body, no one elses. Read up so u know what ur doing, be a leader, not a follower bro.

[FeelinSwole]

wukillabee, first off props to the username. Big fan of wu. I'm basing my cycle off of all the research I did. I totally understand your point of view and yes it should be pinned eod. Whether I'll be doing that, I haven't decided yet. Many ppl on these forums had great success their first cycle doing sust 2x a week 500mg. 17 days after last injection is because sust will stay in your system for 3 weeks after and really low dose by day 17, so I figured thats when I will start pct. I did a ton of research, I don't know why you think this is such a bad cycle...

[wukillabee]

wukillabee, first off props to the username. Big fan of wu. I'm basing my cycle off of all the research I did. I totally understand your point of view and yes it should be pinned eod. Whether I'll be doing that, I haven't decided yet. Many ppl on these forums had great success their first cycle doing sust 2x a week 500mg. 17 days after last injection is because sust will stay in your system for 3 weeks after and really low dose by day 17, so I figured thats when I will start pct. I did a ton of research, I don't know why you think this is such a bad cycle...

Thanks bro, been bangin wu since 97. Anyways, sure u could get away with 2x a week but i mean if ur gonna do that why not do it right with enth? U got 4 esters to keep ur levels as unstable as possible, never understood why any bber would want to use sust really. 17 days i guess but id start pct day 12. Also, u only want to do an 8 week cycle, why? U want a quick in and out then do a cycle with compounds that r quick in and out, sust is not one of them. Each ml of sust theres maybe 30mg prop in it (not enough to do jack imo including the ester weight). Think about it, u got 4 types of test each carrying their own ester. Now 250mg of test per ml ill assume, now add in those 4 ester weights, how much actual test r u getting for ur buck? Sucks huh? Another reason why i wouldnt use sust ever, maybe thats just me though. Im just saying anything under 10 weeks of a long ester is a waste when 12 should really be the min. Anything less than 8 weeks of a short ester also a waste for a cycle with ur goals and first time around. Theres too much to try to fix here imo for u bro. Just keep it simple, 12 weeks enth, whats wrong with that? I bet its cheaper and youll get more bang for ur buck. Winny at the end no prob. If ur gonna go my route id kickstart with an oral of ur choice, even a good ph for 4 weeks since those first 4 weeks on a long ester ur not gonna be noticing much. I gotta go, gettin off work now. Pm me if u need more info but seriously bro, keep it simple.

[FeelinSwole]

Ok you really opened my eyes and I understand what you mean. The thing is I already have the order of 20mL sust coming in Saturday. Thats why I'm running it, and no cash left to buy anything more. I never said 8 weeks tho, I said 10 weeks. Would 10 weeks equal more like 13 weeks since sust is in your system for 3 weeks after last injection? Anyways, since eod injections are more beneficial would you suggest 150mg eod. That would equal 525mg total per week. To break it down thats, 18mg testp/36mg phenylprop/36mg testosterone isocaproate/60mg testosterone decanoate eod. Doing this routine would last me 9.5 weeks. What do you think?

[WARMachine]

would 10 weeks equal more like 13 weeks since sust is in your system for 3 weeks after last injection?

No. The reason why you wait 17days to start PCT is due to the ester length in Test Decanoate.

And i agree with Wu, you should run Test E if youre not cool with pinning ED bro.

At the very least, do the EOD injections.

Itll be much better for you!