Batman's First Cycle Test E & Dbol

[Batman360]

About Me:
This is going to be my first cycle ever. I’ll admit I’m kind of nervous of starting but I knew eventually this day would come. In fact when I started getting interested in bodybuilding at the age of 17 I would look through the ads to see if there were any steroids I could use. Visited a few forums and found out they are illegal and also that I wasn’t ready to start them since I was new to weightlifting. Now I’m 25 with 7 years of experience of trial and error. I’m glad I waited because I know what exercises work for me and how my body reacts to different foods. I have surpassed what I thought I would ever do naturally and I can’t wait to see what I can do on gear.

Experience lifting weights:7 years
Number of cycles done: None, this is the first.

Starting Stats:
Height: 5’7
Weight 201
Waist 33
Hips 40 .625
Chest/Back 46.5
Shoulders 53
Arms 18.125
Forearms 13.25
Quads/Hamstrings 24.375
Calves 16

Goal:
Weight: 230+
Waist Under 40
Chest/Back 50
Shoulders 56
Arms 20
Forearms 14.5
Quads/Hamstrings 28
Calves 17.5

Current Lifting stats
Bench 275 x 8
Squat 275 x 8
Deadlift 425 x 8

Lifting Goals
Bench 315 x 8
Squat 350 x 8
Deadlift 500 x 8

Diet: Will vary but will eat Oatmeal every morning and lots of rice for carbs.

Cycle:
Weeks 1-4 40mg Dbol
Weeks 1-12 500mg Test E

PCT
Nolvadex

[Batman360]

More pics

[Gaspari1255]

Throw some Clomid as well in your PCT. Besides that, everything looks good to me.

[Batman360]

Day 1 April 17, 2009

Took 15mg Dbol in the morning. I chewed them for better absorption, 5 min later I can feel some pain in my stomach. I injected 250mg test E in the evening. Decided to inject quad, first time ever injecting myself. I was nervous about sticking the needle in my leg and expected lots of pain. To my surprise I felt very little pain when I stuck myself and no pain as I was injecting. When I pulled out some blood came out. Now I have a bruise on my leg. So far all I notice in change is my face is very oily. Did chest/tricep day today. I hoped I would have superhuman strength today lol, but nothing yet on day 1.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

good luck man looks good, I'd throw in clomid like ****** was saying... ill be following

[wukillabee]

Look pretty swole already bro! I know your probably bulking but id add in some cardio so you dont gain anymore fat so you can have a clean bulk unless your looking for an all out bulk? Nolva only for pct for anything other than a prohormone cycle is not nearly enough imo. Try to get an ai like aromasin for your pct, something like this:

weeks 1-3 aromasin 25mg ed
weeks 1-4 nolva 20mg ed
week 1 clomid 300mg ed
weeks 2-4 clomid 50mg ed

The boost in clomid first week will give you a good boost. If you break out bad on pct then id lower the clomid to just 50mg ed for the full 4 weeks of pct. Clomid can make acne much worse. I think a pct like this would be pretty solid to keep most if not all your real gains you've made on cycle.

[Batman360]

Look pretty swole already bro! I know your probably bulking but id add in some cardio so you dont gain anymore fat so you can have a clean bulk unless your looking for an all out bulk? Nolva only for pct for anything other than a prohormone cycle is not nearly enough imo. Try to get an ai like aromasin for your pct, something like this:

weeks 1-3 aromasin 25mg ed
weeks 1-4 nolva 20mg ed
week 1 clomid 300mg ed
weeks 2-4 clomid 50mg ed

The boost in clomid first week will give you a good boost. If you break out bad on pct then id lower the clomid to just 50mg ed for the full 4 weeks of pct. Clomid can make acne much worse. I think a pct like this would be pretty solid to keep most if not all your real gains you've made on cycle.

Thanks for the comments and suggestions. I am bulking all the way for now but if I see myself gaining too fast i'll add some cardio to limit the fat. And about PCT, I thought it was at the end of the cycle or is that what your saying?

[Batman360]

Day 2 April 18,2009
The dbol isn't hurting my stomach anymore. I'm taking plenty of water. My leg hurts more today than yesterday where I injected, it's still bruised so I passed on doing leg day today like I planned. Did bicep day today. I was impressed with my strength doing E-Z barbell curl 125lbs for 12 reps, not the prettiest reps, but decent. I can't really give credit to the gear yet though, I gotta see a bit more to see that it's really working.

[wukillabee]

Thanks for the comments and suggestions. I am bulking all the way for now but if I see myself gaining too fast i'll add some cardio to limit the fat. And about PCT, I thought it was at the end of the cycle or is that what your saying?

Yeah, i mean weeks of pct. Sounds good.

[wukillabee]

Day 2 April 18,2009
The dbol isn't hurting my stomach anymore. I'm taking plenty of water. My leg hurts more today than yesterday where I injected, it's still bruised so I passed on doing leg day today like I planned. Did bicep day today. I was impressed with my strength doing E-Z barbell curl 125lbs for 12 reps, not the prettiest reps, but decent. I can't really give credit to the gear yet though, I gotta see a bit more to see that it's really working.

You gotta give it some time too bro.

[Batman360]

Yeah, i mean weeks of pct. Sounds good.

Cool, I'll order some extra stuff then.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

if your gonna order clomid/aromasin , you might as well get some arimidex also, aromasin is the preferred AI for PCT but for on cycle arimidex is a good AI to have on hand in case you experience too much bloat or gyno related issues, so itd be wise to have both. you could just run aromasin on cycle also if you have any estrogen related problems, but its more expensive and arimidex works well b/c it wont block out the estrogen too much, i think its something like 80% where as aromasin is about 85% and letrozole is 97%..... ultimately you can use either one, but arimidex is cheaper... just make sure to have one of them for while on cycle.

[WARMachine]

This thread is full of suspect advise.

#1 300mgs of Clomid is insane. Anything over 150mgs will cause serious side effects. Stick with 100mgs for 2weeks, then down to 50mgs.

#2 Taking Adex when signs first appear wont do a thing. Only Nolvadex blocks estrogen from the receptors in the brest, thus preventing gyno.

#3 Aromasin is a great addition to any PCT, though in a light cycle such as this one, it isnt required. However, CLOMID AND NOLVADEX ARE!!!

I will be following from hereon.

Batman, read my sticky, and please, get to the PCT forum.

Gyno Prevention, Gyno Treatment, and Letro Reversals Explained!
"Estrogen Control, Treatment, and PCT by WARMachine"

-WAR

[Jfew44]

Well since no one has done it yet, I'll be the first to congratulate you on waiting. You look great for not having cycled yet. Your bf% is a little on the high side, but your back is amazing. If you cut after this cycle, I have no doubt you will look great bro. Keep up the log, I will be following.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

This thread is full of suspect advise.

#1 300mgs of Clomid is insane. Anything over 150mgs will cause serious side effects. Stick with 100mgs for 2weeks, then down to 50mgs.

#2 Taking Adex when signs first appear wont do a thing. Only Nolvadex blocks estrogen from the receptors in the brest, thus preventing gyno.

#3 Aromasin is a great addition to any PCT, though in a light cycle such as this one, it isnt required. However, CLOMID AND NOLVADEX ARE!!!

I will be following from hereon.

Batman, read my sticky, and please, get to the PCT forum.

Gyno Prevention, Gyno Treatment, and Letro Reversals Explained!
"Estrogen Control, Treatment, and PCT by WARMachine"

-WAR

my thinking is itd be wise to have the arimidex in case gyno starts, you use 20mg nolva and .25mg a-dex a day until the gyno goes away and then continue the a-dex till the end of the cycle and drop the nolva... how is this suspect advice?

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

oh and to the OP im with Jfew44 in saying you look swole as hell dude! keep it up

[Batman360]

This thread is full of suspect advise.

#1 300mgs of Clomid is insane. Anything over 150mgs will cause serious side effects. Stick with 100mgs for 2weeks, then down to 50mgs.

#2 Taking Adex when signs first appear wont do a thing. Only Nolvadex blocks estrogen from the receptors in the brest, thus preventing gyno.

#3 Aromasin is a great addition to any PCT, though in a light cycle such as this one, it isnt required. However, CLOMID AND NOLVADEX ARE!!!

I will be following from hereon.

Batman, read my sticky, and please, get to the PCT forum.

Gyno Prevention, Gyno Treatment, and Letro Reversals Explained!
"Estrogen Control, Treatment, and PCT by WARMachine"

-WAR

Thanks for the advice. I'll keep reading on PCT and gyno prevention. PCT is so complicated because everyone has their own opinion on how it should be done. I'll order all this stuff anyways so I'm better safe than sorry.

[Batman360]

Well since no one has done it yet, I'll be the first to congratulate you on waiting. You look great for not having cycled yet. Your bf% is a little on the high side, but your back is amazing. If you cut after this cycle, I have no doubt you will look great bro. Keep up the log, I will be following.

oh and to the OP im with Jfew44 in saying you look swole as hell dude! keep it up

Thanks guys. When I said I wanted to look like Arnold when I got older, I meant it!

[Batman360]

Day 3 April 19, 2009

Went to the gym for leg day today but went to the scale to weigh myself first. 207 lbs!!! 6 lbs heavier already 3 days in. I'll just assume it's water weight because it's to soon for that to be muscle, but still I like it. I was pumped after seeing that number on the scale. Started doing squats with the same weight (275) as last week and I did 10 instead of 8. I even felt I could have done more. Moved the weight up to 285 for 10. Moved the weight up another 10 lbs and got 295 for 8. Thats a 20 lb increase in my squat in 1 week. Now I'm starting to get convinced the gear has kicked in. The pump feels different than the pump when I was natural. The natural pump I felt my legs very tight and worn out and sometimes not able to continue on my next set. The unnatural pump is not tight and I'm able to push in a few more reps. I can't wait to do back day tomorrow.

[Jfew44]

Wait until you start getting the back pumps. Insane. I had to take like 5 minutes between sets of squats just so I could stand up again. Dbol is known for alot of water weight. I gained 20lbs in the first 3 weeks the first time I used it. If you're worried about the bloat, take an ai like adex or whatever, but the way you're talking it really doesn't sound like it matters to you. Either way, keep it up bro!

[jbm]

Good luck BATMAN360...

[Batman360]

sorry for the hijack but i'm same height but 165lbs and really love to get to your size can u pleeze tell me your progress in weight over the years like when you started..1st year lifting......etc.
you really inspiered me cause i feel i can get to 200lbs naturall.

It's totally possible to reach 200 lbs. I've been all the way up to 217 lbs but a little chubbier than my recent pics. When I started lifting I was 145 lbs, same height at 17 years old. Over the years I lifted and got up to 180 lbs and never got above that. Then I lost some weight and fell down to 165 lbs. Believe it or not I was 165 lbs last October of 2008. I gained 35 lbs in 7 months. Some of it due to muscle memory got me back to 180 and I finally was able to break past 180 lbs and reach 200. It's no secret how I did it. Food and Hardwork. You won't get anywhere if one is missing. If your having a hard time eating do what I did. Eat stuff you like and lots of it. This is only temporary to get your stomach to crave more food. Then your stomach will beg you to give it food every 3 hours, but now you give it healthy food and lots of it. In the morning I make an Oatmeal shake. Then for my next 3 meals I eat lots of rice with some protein source like chicken or steak. After a workout I eat a meal first then I drink a postworkout shake immediatly after. Then I eat one more meal so I won't go hungry at night. Here is a pic of my recent transformation. Hope this helps.

[Batman360]

Good luck BATMAN360...

Oh no. Another Batman!

[Dinosaur]

good luck on ur journey.

what's ur b/f% ??

keep us posted.

[Batman360]

good luck on ur journey.

what's ur b/f% ??

keep us posted.

I never have my bodyfat tested, but another guy said I look around 15%.

[Batman360]

Day 4 April 20, 2009

I'm up another 2 lbs in 1 day. Now 209 lbs, total of 8 lbs gained in 4 days. Measured some bodyparts and they have gone up but won't post until the end of the week. Pull-ups were kinda tough because of my weight gain. I added 20 lbs to my deadlift and beat my previous 425 x 8 with 445 x 8. Very nice! My back was pumped! I'm not even one week in and I feel and look bigger. I hope my family doesn't get suspicious since they have already asked if I was taking anything before when I was natural.

[WARMachine]

my thinking is itd be wise to have the arimidex in case gyno starts, you use 20mg nolva and .25mg a-dex a day until the gyno goes away and then continue the a-dex till the end of the cycle and drop the nolva... how is this suspect advice?

Again! Adex will not do anything once symptoms arise! Thats why its used to prevention not a treat gyno. Only Nolvadex will stop estrogen from getting to the receptors in the breast tissue.

And also because Nolva reducess the effectiveness of Adex. 20mgs of Nolva with .25mgs of Adex is basically 20mgs of Nolva.

Thats why your advice is suspect. Nothing against you personally bro. I just think you need to research a little more. As does Batman360.

Both of you should read my sticky if you havent already.

Again, i will be following.

-WAR

[Batman360]

Again! Adex will not do anything once symptoms arise! Thats why its used to prevention not a treat gyno. Only Nolvadex will stop estrogen from getting to the receptors in the breast tissue.

And also because Nolva reducess the effectiveness of Adex. 20mgs of Nolva with .25mgs of Adex is basically 20mgs of Nolva.

Thats why your advice is suspect. Nothing against you personally bro. I just think you need to research a little more. As does Batman360.

Both of you should read my sticky if you havent already.

Again, i will be following.

-WAR

Ok so no Adex since I'm not sure if I'm gyno prone yet so no point in taking it. I have Nolvadex so it's good to know that will help if I run into trouble. I'll read up more on aromasin and letro to see if I should order those or not. I appreciate the help War and glad to have you following my log.

[WARMachine]

No problem.

i dont think youll encounter ERSEs, but never too safe you know?

Keep the Nolva on hand, JUST in case.

-WAR

[Shurik]

I'm excited to see the results of someone with already good natural build. Make sure you run adex.
It sucks when you gain all that weight and see a lot of it come off in pct, due to most of the weight being water.

[Batman360]

Day 5 April, 2009

Today was my second injection. I was looking forward to it these past few days but I was nervous again because of the bruise I got on my first injection. I injected in my left leg this time. When I pulled out the needle no blood came out this time so no hopefully no bruise this time. Today I'll train calves since I'm sore everywhere else. I've never really taken my calf workouts seriously but I think I will now to take advantage.

[wukillabee]

Day 5 April, 2009

Today was my second injection. I was looking forward to it these past few days but I was nervous again because of the bruise I got on my first injection. I injected in my left leg this time. When I pulled out the needle no blood came out this time so no hopefully no bruise this time. Today I'll train calves since I'm sore everywhere else. I've never really taken my calf workouts seriously but I think I will now to take advantage.

Good idea. For some reason when im on cycle my calves grow the most than they ever had and i keep that size and strength in my calves even after pct! AAS has done wonders for my calves among other muscles as well but mostly my calves for some reason. Good thing too cus those where lacking the most compared to everything else for me.

[Hunter-S-Thompson]

Again! Adex will not do anything once symptoms arise! Thats why its used to prevention not a treat gyno. Only Nolvadex will stop estrogen from getting to the receptors in the breast tissue.

And also because Nolva reducess the effectiveness of Adex. 20mgs of Nolva with .25mgs of Adex is basically 20mgs of Nolva.

Thats why your advice is suspect. Nothing against you personally bro. I just think you need to research a little more. As does Batman360.

Both of you should read my sticky if you havent already.

Again, i will be following.


-WAR

I read ur sticky a while ago u have some good informative threads... I've read time and time again to do what I suggested w/the adex and nolva, and I've read they reduce eachothers effectiveness. but the reasoning I always thought between starting BOTH when symptoms arise would be to have nolva do it's work reducing the oncoming gyno, while at the same time u let adex build up in ur system a bit, so once symptoms are gone b/c of nolva use, u stop the nolva and
you can continue the adex with it already built up in ur body so there's no time that your without any estrogen protection... if this is somehow not correct WARmachine, no prob I respect ur opinion/advice and would benefit from it also being that I'm on cycle myself, so thanks for any effort to clear things up for me...

whatever the case may be, this is ur cycle log I'm not gonna start an AI/SERM convo in it lol, just keep at it bro good luck

[WARMachine]

^ Hey thanks bro. I appreciate the compliments. Sorry if i came off as a dick earlier. I apologize.

But anyway, i gotta say, once gyno has reared its ugly little head, Nolva is the only thing that will help. It will block the receptors and can possibly reduce (not reverse) gyno. Both of those things, Adex cannot do.

[Batman360]

Just had a nightmare guys that felt like it was real. I woke up, went to comb my hair and noticed some yellow goo on the top center of my head. I started to clean it off and the noticed I had no hair on the top and a huge dent where I took the goo out. I was freaking out and didn't know how I was going to explain this or what to do! I felt like I was in a nightmare. Then I woke up and I'm glad it really was only a dream!

[Batman360]

Day 6, April 22, 2009

Decided to do chest/triceps yesterday. Was pretty dissapointed in my chest strength since I actually did worse than last week. Maybe I should have waited another day, but I'm trying to train everybodypart twice per week as long as it's not sore. I haven't had an off day in 7 days straight. Today I did biceps/calves. Pretty good workout. I may have to take EZ barbell curls out of my future workouts thought cause my forearms are killing me and I'm not talking about from the pump but feels like my bones on my forearm can't support the weight. EZ Barbell curled 145 lbs for 10 reps. Calves I pumped up pretty good maybe more than ever before. I had trouble walking. Another note I notice it has taken me longer to get sore after a workout. Usually I get sore next morning but now it takes longer like until the afternoon. Tomorrow is the end of week 1 so I'll be posting up stats.

[Batman360]

Day 7 April 23, 2009

Today is the end of day 7 so here are the changes I made in my first week on gear. These are not personal records (except forearms) but I've never been this size this lean. For example, the last time my arms were 18.5 my waist was 34.5 (1 inch bigger). Biggest my arms were ever, were 18.75 so I'm hoping to be there by the end of week 2. I'm taking the day off today from training.

Week 1 Results
Weight 210 vs 201 last week Gained 9 lbs
Waist 33.5 vs 33 last week Gained .5
Chest/Back 47.5 vs 46.5 last week Gained 1
Shoulders 54 vs 53 last week Gained 1
Arms 18.5 vs 18.125 last week Gained .375
Forearms 13.75 vs 13.25 last week Gained .5
Quads/Hamstrings 25.25 vs 24.375 last week Gained .875
Calves 16.25 vs 16 last week Gained .25

[Batman360]

Day 8 April 24, 2008

3rd injection was today, used a different brand of test e this time. No blood, no bruise. Did back/shoulders today. Deadlifted 455 x 8. Up 10 lbs from last time. I had trouble with the upright rows. Last week I did 170lbs x 8. Today I stopped on the 4th rep because my shoulder joints were hurting. Maybe I'm overworking my shoulders too much from all these training days non stop? I've noticed that I require less sleep than I used to, I'm waking up about 2 - 3 hours earlier.

[WARMachine]

You should try to get more sleep bro. You need time for your muscles to rest. Same with spacing out workouts.

[K.O]

Hi to all,

Joined this thread as i have also just started a similar cycle as Batman360 on the 23rd of April 2009.

I am going to be doing 500mg a week on Test E (norma) for 12 weeks and 20mg of Wildcat dbol ED for 4 weeks.

Already have taken my first shot of TEST E 250mg in the buttocks. Took ages for it to go in, and was sore afterwards. Found out that my injection was too big! lol. i used a 21 gauge by 2 inches. ouch!!! must get smaller ones. (atleast a 23 gauge by 1 1/2 inch or 1 1/4 inch next time).

I also have been natural like Batman360. 26 years of age, weight is 210lbs and been training for 5 years.

I have tamoxifen (aka nolvadex ) on hand, including clomid. I have been told its good to use HCG afterwards subcutaneos injection for 9 days, do you guys think its needed at the end of this cycle?

So far i have seen an increase in weight about 5lbs but might be water retention. Like Batman360 gains in strength too, especially in bicep workout.

I have noticed that I have been sweating in the night when sleeping, is that normal?

I have 10mg tablets, and i am breaking them so i can keep an even blood flow. So trying to get 5 mg in 4 times. Is it ok to break them in half?

Anyways thanks in advance for the response. Will keep following and posting my results and will report anything unusual! Good luck to all on their cycles especially Batman360.

Thanx. (time for my second shot now, see ya)

K.O