ANAVAR Cycle (for those interested)

[BJJ]

Why would you add nolva to your pct? There is no reason for it at all on this cycle.

1. Anavar has the least amount of gyno in any steroid out there.
2. Even if your prone to gyno (like me) you still probably won't get it.
3. Clomid will take care of the little/any gyno you might get.

BJJ, what I'm trying to say is that there is no reason at all for nolva to be included in your pct. Var hardly ever converts to estrogen, and when it does, it's such a small amount that clomid takes care of it.

Now with that said, I'm not saying next time that you get gyno on a different cycle that you go ahead and take some clomid to get rid of it, because nolva is more effective. 150mgs of clomid = 40mgs of nolva for the treatment of gyno.

Best luck
PO

Nolva in pct is needed mostly to start back the HPTA, as well as clomid.
Anyway, oxandrolone does not aromatize and never read any reports over gyno on only anavar.

Furthermore, I wanted to try to have my test ttl value, after the entire cycle, higher than before, where it was in the low of the range values.
This is the reason why I took both clomid and nolva.

In a few days I have my blood work results and I'll see.

[Serotonin]

Sorry, I do not understand your first question.

For libido, it does work for me; while it is ineffective in raising endogenous testosterone production.

Ah, yohimbine did wayyyyyy more for my libido than trib ever did so I was just curious. Nice thread, thanks for all the effort put into it.

[BJJ]

Ah, yohimbine did wayyyyyy more for my libido than trib ever did so I was just curious. Nice thread, thanks for all the effort put into it.

Thanks for noticing.

[PO OFFICER]

What is your pct BJJ? Not including hcg if you're doing it.

Btw, I miss your gorilla picture :P

[BJJ]

What is your pct BJJ? Not including hcg if you're doing it.

Btw, I miss your gorilla picture :P

No need fot HCG:

Day 57
Day 1 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.555 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Flatulence, 20 mg Tadalafil

Day 58
Day 2 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.556 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Increased size of testicles

Day 59
Day 3 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.484 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 60
Day 4 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.596 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 61
Day 5 pct

50 clo / 40 nol – 2.708 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Testicles back to normal

Day 62
Day 6 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.383 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 63
Day 7 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.513 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.399

9TH WEEK NOTES
Strength kept being at the same level while muscles, right after I stopped the ingestion of Oxandrolone, started to ache for a few days.
Testicles increased the day after I started my pct, but after a few days came back to their normal size.
At day 5 (61) I ingested 40 mg of Tamoxifen Citrate to see if I could notice any difference but that day I could not eat as much as I had to, so I thwarted the attempt. In any case, having also used 50 mg of clomid, 20 mg of Nolva should be enough.
While, I shall get a full blood work to be compared to the one taken before the cycle, after my detox protocol (GSH), which will start three days after the end of PCT.
Regarding Tadalafil, I took it at day 1 to give it a try, in spite of during the entire cycle I had loss of libido but never problems to have sex normally. Anyway, I noticed no differences while my intestine became full of gas in about two hours. Fortunately, the morning after I was fine again.

Day 58
Day 8 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.907 Kcal – (Back, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 59
Day 9 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.583 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: 4 mg Loperamide

Day 60
Day 10 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 4.345 Kcal – (Legs, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 61
Day 11 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.697 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 62
Day 12 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.510 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 63
Day 13 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.912 Kcal – (Back, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 64
Day 14 pct

20 nol – 3.093 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.721

10TH WEEK NOTES
Strength decreased a bit. If I could achieve a “x” weight for 10 reps, now I go up to 8 max.
On day 14 (64), I ceased ingesting clomid, so the rest of the final week will be only nolva 20 mg ed.

Day 65
Day 15 pct

20 nol – 3.373 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: 10 mg Vardenafil

Day 66
Day 16 pct

20 nol – 4.365 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 67
Day 17 pct

20 nol – 3.566 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: 2 g Ketoprofen foam

Day 68
Day 18 pct

20 nol – 3.366 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: 2 g Ketoprofen foam, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 69
Day 19 pct

20 nol / 0,06 cln – 3.552 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 70
Day 20 pct

20 nol / 0,06 cln – 3.607 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 71
Day 21 pct

20 nol / 0,08 cln – 3.014 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.549
Daily Average PCT KCalories Intake (21 days): 3.556

11TH WEEK NOTES
On day 69 I started a ten days cyle of Clenbuterol (60/60/80/80/100/100/100/100/60/60). After that, 3 days off in order to start a 10 days GSH detox protocol. Then, I shall have my final and complete blood work done.

Day 72
Day 22 pct

0,08 cln – 2.700 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 73
Day 23 pct

0,10 cln – 3.416 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 74
Day 24 pct

0,10 cln – 2.907 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 75
Day 25 pct

0,10 cln – 3.038 Kcal – (Back, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: 8 mg Loperamide, 2 g Ketoprofen foam

Day 76
Day 26 pct

0,10 cln – 3.094 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: 2 g Ketoprofen foam

Day 77
Day 27 pct

nil – 3.324 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: 3 g Ketoprofen foam

Day 78
Day 28 pct

0,06 cln – 3.233 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.101

12TH WEEK NOTES
Nothing to report.

Day 79
Day 29 pct

nil – 3.229 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: 1 g Ketoprofen foam

Day 80
Day 30 pct

nil – 3.019 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: 1 g Ketoprofen foam

Day 81
Day 31 pct

600 gsh – 3.229 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Started GSH injections

Day 82
Day 32 pct

600 gsh – 3.101 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 83
Day 33 pct

600 gsh – 3.555 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: 4 mg Loperamide

Day 84
Day 34 pct

600 gsh – 3.112 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: 25.000 iu Neomycin, 4 mg Loperamide

Day 85
Day 35 pct

600 gsh – 3.336 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.225

13TH WEEK NOTES
I noticed by keeping (more or less) the same amount of Kcalories and proportion among macronutrients, a visible improvement of my LBM, especially on my ribs.

Day 86
Day 36 pct

600 gsh – 3.156 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 87
Day 37 pct

600 gsh – 3.484 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 88
Day 38 pct

600 gsh – 3.053 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: 10 mg Vardenafil, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 89
Day 39 pct

nil – 3.124 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 90
Day 40 pct

600 gsh – 3.036 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.170

14TH WEEK NOTES
Nothing to report.

The gorilla might be back someday...

[Mr Busta sweat]

Thanks for all the usefull Info BJJ.. Iam about to begin a var cycle only. I really appreciate all the work you went through in putting this Log together man.

[BJJ]

Thanks for all the usefull Info BJJ.. Iam about to begin a var cycle only. I really appreciate all the work you went through in putting this Log together man.

Thanks.
Good luck for your cycle.

[tappeast]

REDICULOUSLY INFORMATIVE THREAD!!!

serious information available throughout. I'm a new guy and have read off and on this forum for a few months.

I fear as a new guy, having a source ready to go, that, I am not informed as I should be prior to use.......

information on this subject is infinite.

I am very interested in gaining strength mainly and some added weight within 10-15lbs of my own.

30 yrs
5'8"
175
12% BF

collagen synthesis is a major factor for me to maintain, build and protect my tendons/joints while training.

plan to as suggested during this thread to go 6 weeks with VAR at 70mg. nolva, possibly clomid PCT.

possibly a VAR/Deca stack or VAR/Equipoise cycle as alternatives.....would like to hear your opinion of these stacks in regards to my wishes being involved in a sport in which I must maintain my weight within 10-15lbs of my natural of 175lbs. I do have some room to make in bringing down my EST BF% of 12% to clear space for my intention of getting leaner and building some lean mass as well.

suggestions?

Something else you may want to read about either winny and var:

While injecting test increases Protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of anabolic steroids which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - ,Equipoise, anavar , and primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use anabolic steroids like sus, testosterone cypionate , or testosterone enanthate .

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase Joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - anavar or primobolan - methenolone - as the base of your cycle. testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - anavar and primobolan - methenolone - will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate @ 3 mg/kg a week (about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate is a very good drug at giving you everything you want, an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.
primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180%, less than deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340%, slightly better than deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies doenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other anabolic steroids, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle Clomid use. Here they are:
deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate : 15 days Equipoise: 14 days primobolan: 10.5 days
anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, human growth hormone - somatropin - at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - primobolan - methenolone - anavar and deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - are all good, they increase several biomakers of collagen syn, ie type III, II, I, procollagen markers. gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain anabolic steroids, the decision is up to you.

[BJJ]

REDICULOUSLY INFORMATIVE THREAD!!!

serious information available throughout. I'm a new guy and have read off and on this forum for a few months.

I fear as a new guy, having a source ready to go, that, I am not informed as I should be prior to use.......

information on this subject is infinite.

I am very interested in gaining strength mainly and some added weight within 10-15lbs of my own.

30 yrs
5'8"
175
12% BF

collagen synthesis is a major factor for me to maintain, build and protect my tendons/joints while training.

plan to as suggested during this thread to go 6 weeks with VAR at 70mg. nolva, possibly clomid PCT.

possibly a VAR/Deca stack or VAR/Equipoise cycle as alternatives.....would like to hear your opinion of these stacks in regards to my wishes being involved in a sport in which I must maintain my weight within 10-15lbs of my natural of 175lbs. I do have some room to make in bringing down my EST BF% of 12% to clear space for my intention of getting leaner and building some lean mass as well.

suggestions?

If I had to choose between your options I would go for eq over deca.
Just take into account eq will make you starving so either you take a low dose (but you may experinece no benefits at all) or you go for 400 mgw (a solid starting base) but with the risk of eating too much!
Please note, I have no direct experience on Boldenone Undecylenate, therefore I speak on personal readings.

You may also want to consider mesterolone (proviron ) to stak with oxandrolone since it helped me to hold LH and FSH values within the normal ranges.
Consider that as my personal experience only, since as far as I am concerned, there are no studies to support that.

Good Luck

[pwnflow]

If I had to choose between your options I would go for eq over deca .
Just take into account eq will make you starving so either you take a low dose (but you may experinece no benefits at all) or you go for 400 mgw (a solid starting base) but with the risk of eating too much!
Please note, I have no direct experience on Boldenone Undecylenate, therefore I speak on personal readings.

You may also want to consider mesterolone (proviron ) to stak with oxandrolone since it helped me to hold LH and FSH values within the normal ranges.
Consider that as my personal experience only, since as far as I am concerned, there are no studies to support that.

Good Luck

BJJ do you know the actual studies that show how these compounds effect the collagen synthesis? I have read it before but I have never found the source. Also what are your thought on using HCG instead of proviron?

[BJJ]

BJJ do you know the actual studies that show how these compounds effect the collagen synthesis? I have read it before but I have never found the source. Also what are your thought on using HCG instead of proviron?

Take a look on this thread, there is all the information you need on Oxandrolone, since I posted many studies over it.

HCG and Mesterolone are two different things. There is no reason to use HCG with Oxandrolone since you will not experience any testicular shrinkage (never found a study that stated differently).
Use Proviron instead to to get rid of excess water (which in any case is experienced with Oxandrolone only over 100 mg ed), prevent eventual gyno (rare with Anavar ) and for its ability to break the link between AAS-SHBG.

[tappeast]

If I had to choose between your options I would go for eq over deca .
Just take into account eq will make you starving so either you take a low dose (but you may experinece no benefits at all) or you go for 400 mgw (a solid starting base) but with the risk of eating too much!
Please note, I have no direct experience on Boldenone Undecylenate, therefore I speak on personal readings.

You may also want to consider mesterolone (proviron ) to stak with oxandrolone since it helped me to hold LH and FSH values within the normal ranges.
Consider that as my personal experience only, since as far as I am concerned, there are no studies to support that.

Good Luck

thanks for the reply, I think i'm going to just do the VAR on its own....being my first time and geared more to my objectives.

any chance I can speak with you through PM and discuss a couple questions I have, not talking source check either.

[BJJ]

thanks for the reply, I think i'm going to just do the VAR on its own....being my first time and geared more to my objectives.

any chance I can speak with you through PM and discuss a couple questions I have, not talking source check either.

To PM you need 25 posts I believe.
You may also discuss on here if related to aas, no problem for me.

[tappeast]

jeez, i understand the whole.....educate before you medicate thing, but d*mn, 25 posts or 45 days membership does not make me or anyone else more credible.

[tappeast]

also....and 1 more postwhoring notch under my belt.....everything that can be said under this topic or any other one have been already answered 1000x before all over this board. its the REAL questions I have that can't be answered on this board pertaining sensitive questions everyone are so eager to condemn.....I even get it and understand completely as to why.....but, it still doesnt answer some of my questions.

[BJJ]

jeez, i understand the whole.....educate before you medicate thing, but d*mn, 25 posts or 45 days membership does not make me or anyone else more credible.

also....and 1 more postwhoring notch under my belt.....everything that can be said under this topic or any other one have been already answered 1000x before all over this board. its the REAL questions I have that can't be answered on this board pertaining sensitive questions everyone are so eager to condemn.....I even get it and understand completely as to why.....but, it still doesnt answer some of my questions.

[tappeast]

you dont get it huh....well, I changed and updated my avatar to make me look more credible.... and to let people know what I think MOST of the time......look at my avatar and tell me again you dont understand what i'm saying....

[BJJ]

you dont get it huh....well, I changed and updated my avatar to make me look more credible.... and to let people know what I think MOST of the time......look at my avatar and tell me again you dont understand what i'm saying....

Sorry I do not understand your point, first.
Second, I have no idea who you are refferring to and in relation to what.

[tappeast]

Sorry I do not understand your point, first.
Second, I have no idea who you are refferring to and in relation to what.

1) whatever man.........we could go back and forth all night like this....and when I say we.....I MEAN YOU (BJJ), we are the only ppl talking on this thread right now....seems you are having difficulties in this area.

2) what I am referring to....since you also seem to be having difficulties in this area as well....I am trying to soak up some of your 6 months total knowledge/ experience on this board, 2500+ posts and 1 cycle experience making you a near VET at this point.

you (BJJ) have done a VAR cycle, flamed or not, I WANT TO KNOW IF MY PRICING IS RIGHT FROM MY SOURCE....HELP OR NO HELP???? VAR , btw

[BJJ]

To PM you need 25 posts I believe.
You may also discuss on here if related to aas, no problem for me.

1) whatever man.........we could go back and forth all night like this....and when I say we.....I MEAN YOU (BJJ), we are the only ppl talking on this thread right now....seems you are having difficulties in this area.

2) what I am referring to....since you also seem to be having difficulties in this area as well....I am trying to soak up some of your 6 months total knowledge/ experience on this board, 2500+ posts and 1 cycle experience making you a near VET at this point.

you (BJJ) have done a VAR cycle, flamed or not, I WANT TO KNOW IF MY PRICING IS RIGHT FROM MY SOURCE....HELP OR NO HELP???? VAR , btw

You must have had bad day, lol.

In the post above written, I just tell you that in order to PM someone you need to have 25 posts. That is it. It is just a rule of the forum, like it or not.
I was just informing you, nothing more nothing less, since I experienced the same problem when I joined.

What you have written on your last post, especially section 2 makes me believe you overreacted on something which grew up only into your brain.

Then, regarding your question where you kindly ask "I want to know...", I am sorry to inform you, not being neither pretending to be a vet, I cannot help you because my experience is little.

I wish you tomorrow to have a better day than today.

[pwnflow]

Take a look on this thread, there is all the information you need on Oxandrolone, since I posted many studies over it.

HCG and Mesterolone are two different things. There is no reason to use HCG with Oxandrolone since you will not experience any testicular shrinkage (never found a study that stated differently).
Use Proviron instead to to get rid of excess water (which in any case is experienced with Oxandrolone only over 100 mg ed), prevent eventual gyno (rare with Anavar ) and for its ability to break the link between AAS-SHBG.

Yes I have seen those studies but I mean where this we get such specific numbers from.

deca -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate @ 3 mg/kg a week (about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate is a very good drug at giving you everything you want, an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.
primobolan , @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180%, less than deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340%, slightly better than deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate.

[BJJ]

Yes I have seen those studies but I mean where this we get such specific numbers from.

deca -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate @ 3 mg/kg a week (about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate is a very good drug at giving you everything you want, an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.
primobolan , @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180%, less than deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340%, slightly better than deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate.

Do you mean from which scientific source?

[pwnflow]

Do you mean from which scientific source?

Exactly.

[BJJ]

Exactly.

http://edrv.endojournals.org/
http://www.sciencedirect.com/

There are many other sources though.

[pwnflow]

Thanks for that. I am learning a lot

Then, I am going to get a new, final and complete blood work.
So, still 16 days for the BW.

Got the blood work done? Can't wait to see the final results. Blood test after PCT will determine how much was it worth!

[BJJ]

Thanks for that. I am learning a lot



Got the blood work done? Can't wait to see the final results. Blood test after PCT will determine how much was it worth!

Yes, two weeks ago and by monday afternoon I am going to have the final results.

[BJJ]

For those interested in the final blood work results, the lab is giving me a hard time but hopefully before Friday...!
Just be patient a bit more.

PS
However, I already know both test total and free test values are higher than before the cycle so, the addition of Clomid in my pct, should have been a right idea.
There is a but... my PRL is also higher than before!

[nilrac]

Thanks for the update, BJJ.

p.s Please excuse my ignorance, but the abbreviation "PRL", what does it stand for?

[BJJ]

Thanks for the update, BJJ.

p.s Please excuse my ignorance, but the abbreviation "PRL", what does it stand for?

Ignorance? you have no idea how ignorant I am...

PRL or LTH = Prolactin

[kaigab]

For those interested in the final blood work results, the lab is giving me a hard time but hopefully before Friday...!
Just be patient a bit more.

PS
However, I already know both test total and free test values are higher than before the cycle so, the addition of Clomid in my pct, should have been a right idea.
There is a but... my PRL is also higher than before!

how high is it? PRL is the stress hormone...in 3 different blood samples (every 2 months) i got 3 different values (one low, one high, and one medium)...my endo told that if you just are nervous while they take your blood...PRL gets high.

Obviously i am talking of values within "normal" lab range...

[BJJ]

how high is it? PRL is the stress hormone...in 3 different blood samples (every 2 months) i got 3 different values (one low, one high, and one medium)...my endo told that if you just are nervous while they take your blood...PRL gets high.

Obviously i am talking of values within "normal" lab range...

Well, it should not be a concern since it is within the ranges.
I am about to post a partial blood work at post n.2, the ? means "awaiting the results".

[AndriodLee]

Really informative post mate. I can't wait to read about when you get your blood work back.

[BJJ]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=1#post5048537

BLOOD, URINE, FAECES & SPERM ANALYSES:
__________________________________________________18__________36__________51__________56__________98 (4W PCT)_____122 (8W PCT)

BLOOD
ERYTHROCYTES: 5,18 mil/mmc [4 - 5,5]__________________________________________________ ___5,2_________5,34
LEUCOCYTES: 7,3 mila/mmc [4 - 9]__________________________________________________ _______8,6_________7,5
- NE: 4,1 / 55,8 % [2 - 6 / 37 - 80]__________________________________________________ __________________4,1 / 54,8
- LY: 2,4 / 33 % [0,6 - 36 / 10 - 50]__________________________________________________ _________________2,7 / 35,6
- MO: 0,6 / 8,6 % [0 - 0,9 / 0 - 12]__________________________________________________ __________________0,5 / 7,1
- EO: 0,2 / 2,1 % [0 - 7 / 0 - 7]__________________________________________________ _____________________0,1 / 1,8
- BA: 0 / 0,5 % [0 - 0,2 / 0 - 2,5]__________________________________________________ ____________________0,1 / 0,7
HEMOGLOBIN: 14,9 gr/dl [14 - 18]__________________________________________________ ________13,6________15,6
HEMATOCRIT: 45,3 % [42 - 52]__________________________________________________ __________44,1________45,5
MCV: 87,5 femtol [82 - 98]__________________________________________________ ______________84,8________85,2
MCH: 28,8 picogr. [27 - 31]__________________________________________________ _____________26,2________29,2
MCHC: 32,9 gr/dl [32 - 36]__________________________________________________ ______________30,8________34,3
RDW: 13,5 % [11,6 - 16]__________________________________________________ ___________________________14
GRAN-NEUTROPHILS: 55,8 % [37 -80]__________________________________________________ _____60,7________54,8
GRAN-EOSINOPHILS: 2,1 % [0,0 - 7]__________________________________________________ ______1,9_________1,8
GRAN-BASOPHILS: 0,5 % [0,0 - 2,5]__________________________________________________ ______0,7_________0,7
LYMPHOCYTES: 33,0 % [10 - 50]__________________________________________________ ________28,4________35,6
MONOCYTES: 8,6 % [0,0 - 12]__________________________________________________ ___________8,3_________7,1
PLATELETS: 163000 /mmc [150000 - 400000]________________________________________________336000_____164000
PCT: 0,12 % [0,1 - 1]__________________________________________________ ______________________________0,12
MPV: 7,3 fl [5 - 10]__________________________________________________ ________________________________7,2
PDW: 17,4 % [12 - 18]__________________________________________________ _____________________________18,5

HEART, KIDNEYS, LIVER, PANCREAS, PROSTATE & INFECTIVITY
GLYCEMIA (basal): 90 mg/dl [70 - 110]__________________________________________________ ________________98

QUICK PROTHROMBIN TIME: 13,7 s_________________________________________________ ____________________13,1
PROTHROMBIN ACTIVITY: 69,6 % [70-130]__________________________________________________ ____________86
INR: 1,18__________________________________________________ ________________________________________1,09
APTT: 27,5 s_________________________________________________ ______________________________________27,8
FIBRINOGEN: 185 mg/dl [180 - 350]__________________________________________________ __________________184,7
HOMOCYSTEINE: 10 mcmoli/l [6 - 15]__________________________________________________ _________________9,5
MYOGLOBIN: 26 ng/ml [10 - 46]__________________________________________________ ______________________38

AZOTEMIA: 49 mg/dl [15-40]__________________________62__________57______________________56__________53______________52,8
CREATININE: 1,2 mg/dl [0,8 - 1,3]_____________________1,2__________1,2______________________1,3_________1,3
HYPERURICEMIA: 5,9 mg/dl [3,5 - 7,2]__________________________________________________ ________________5,5

CHOLESTEROL TTL: 168 mg/dl [140 - 220]______________179_________205______________________232________194
CHOLESTEROL VLDL: 33 mg/dl [20 - 40]__________________________________________________ _______________30
CHOLESTEROL LDL: 105 mg/dl [< 150]__________________157_________199_____________________202_________129_____________101
CHOLESTEROL HDL: 41 mg/dl [> 40]____________________13__________11_______________________13__________45
INDEX RISK HDL: 4,1 [till 5]___________________________13,76_______19,2_____________________17,8________4,3
APO A1: 185 mg/dl [115 - 220]__________________________________________________ ______________________190
APO B: 77 mg/dl [55 - 125]__________________________________________________ __________________________79
RATIO B/A1 APO: 0,41 [0,35 - 1]__________________________________________________ _____________________0,41
TRIGLYCERIDES: 95 mg/dl [< 150]__________________________________________________ ____________________104

PHOSPHATASE ALCALINE: 71 u/ltr [50 - 136]__________________________________________________ ___________72
BILIRUBIN TTL: 1,98 mg/dl [0,2-1]_____________________0,83________0,78_________________________________0,93____________1,54
BILIRUBIN DIRECT: 0,22 mg/dl [0,05 - 0,3]______________0,1__________0,1__________________________________0,1_____________0,53
BILIRUBIN INDIRECT: 1,76 mg/dl [till 0,7]________________0,73________0,68_________________________________0,83____________1,01
TRANSAMINASE GOT/AST: 21 u/ltr [15 - 37]_____________55__________50_______________________46_________28______________58
TRANSAMINASE GPT/ALT: 41 u/ltr [30 - 65]_____________86__________66_______________________95__________71______________77
GAMMA (YGT): 28 u/ltr [15 - 85]______________________29__________28_______________________26__________40
FERRITIN: 124,5 ng/ml [24 - 336]__________________________________________________ ____________________124

LIPASE: 236 u/ltr [114 - 284]__________________________________________________ ________________________298____________216
AMYLASE: 62 u/ltr [25 - 115]_________________________55__________63_______________________64__________75_____________76

LDH: 160 u/ltr [100 - 190]__________________________________________________ __________________________155
CPK MB: 200 u/ltr [35 - 232]__________________________________________________ ________________________230
CK NAK: 150 u/l [till 167]__________________________________________________ ___________________________165
PROTIDES TTL: 7,4 gr/dl [6,4 - 8,2]__________________________________________________ _______7,8_________7,7
ALBUMIN: 59,1 % [51 - 63,3]__________________________________________________ ____________60,3________63,1
ALFA 1: 2,9 % [2,2 - 4,3]__________________________________________________ _______________2,4_________2,3
ALFA 2: 10,1 % [9,5 - 14]__________________________________________________ ______________12,6________8,5
BETA: 9,6 % [10-14,5]__________________________________________________ _________________11,3________9,3
GAMMA: 18,3 % [12 - 20]__________________________________________________ _______________13,4________16,8
A/G RATIO: 1,44 [1,0 - 1,7]__________________________________________________ _____________1,52________1,71

PSA: 0,64 ng/ml [till 4]__________________________________________________ _________________0,39_________0,58
PSA FREE: 0,22__________________________________________________ ____________________________________0,24
PSA FREE/TTL: 0,40 [>0,15]__________________________________________________ _________________________0,41
PAP: 4,8 u/ltr [<= 4,7]__________________________________________________ ______________________________5,1

IGG: 1447 mg/dl [681 - 1648]__________________________________________________ ________________________1455
IGA: 304 mg/dl [87 - 474]__________________________________________________ ___________________________321
IGD: 50 u/ml [till 100]__________________________________________________ _______________________________57
IGM: 99 mg/dl [48 - 312]__________________________________________________ ____________________________97
IGE (prist): 37,47 iu/ml [1,31 - 165,3]__________________________________________________ _________________39,77

HIV-Ab (1+2): 0,16 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]__________________________________________________ __________0,18 non-react
HCV-Ab: 0,13 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]__________________________________________________ _______________0,12 non-react
HBS-Ag: 0,37 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]__________________________________________________ _______________0,39 non-react
HAV-Ab (IgT): >85 react miu/ml [<35]__________________________________________________ _________________>85 react
HAV-Ab (IgM): 0,08 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]__________________________________________________ __________0,07 non-react
TAS: 110 ui/ml [0 - 166]__________________________________________________ ____________________________111
VDRL: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ ___________________________negative
CRP: 2 mg/dl [till 5]__________________________________________________ _________________________________2,1
REUMA TEST: <20 iu/ml [<20]__________________________________________________ ________________________<20
VES: 5 mm/h [till 15]__________________________________________________ ________________________________5

VITAMINS & ELECTROLYTES
VITAMIN A: 779,2 mcg/l [300-650]__________________________________________________ ___________________692,1
VITAMIN E: 12,6 mg/ltr [5 - 20]__________________________________________________ ______________________100
VITAMIN C: 0,9 mg/ml [0,5-1,5]__________________________________________________ ______________________1,2
VITAMIN B12: 587 pg/ml [179 - 1162]__________________________________________________ _________________787
VITAMIN D3: 60 ng/ml [10-45]__________________________________________________ _______________________40
VITAMIN H: 82 ng/ml [70-100]__________________________________________________ _______________________90
VITAMIN K: 22 mcg/ml [15-30]__________________________________________________ _______________________26
VITAMIN PP: 0,7 mg/ml [0,5-0,8]__________________________________________________ _____________________0,7

SODIUM: 142 meq/l [136 - 145]__________________________________________________ ______________________139
POTASSIUM: 4,0 meq/l [3,5 - 5,1]__________________________________________________ ____________________4,4
CALCIUM: 9,0 mg/dl [8,5 - 10,1]__________________________________________________ ______________________9,1
MAGNESIUM: 2,0 mg/dl [1,8 - 2,4]__________________________________________________ ____________________2,2
PHOSPHORUS: 3,7 mg/dl [2,7 - 4,5]__________________________________________________ ___________________4,3
IRON: 148 mcg/dl [35 - 150]__________________________________________________ _________________________96
ZINC: 103 mcg/dl [80 - 125]__________________________________________________ _________________________132
CHLORINE: 103 meq/l [98 - 107]__________________________________________________ ______________________99
COPPER: 88 ku/l [76 - 153]__________________________________________________ __________________________88

HORMONAL
GASTRIN: 31 pg/ml [28-125]__________________________________________________ _________________________33
MELATONIN: 47 pg/ml [20 - 85]__________________________________________________ ______________________50
C-PEPTIDE: 1,2 ng/ml [0,78 – 1,89]__________________________________________________ ___________________1,25
INSULIN : 3,34 micru/ml [1,9 - 23]______________________3,6_________3,04_________________________________2,39
GLUCAGON: 55 pg/ml [40-130]__________________________________________________ _______________________55
IGF-1: 190 ng/ml [96 - 424]__________________________184_________163__________________________________392
ACTH: 20 pg/dl [till 50]__________________________________________________ _____________________________21
CORTISOL: 12,53 mg/dl [8,7 - 22,4]__________________________________________________ ______13,64_______18,7
FT3: 3,48 pg/ml [2,2 - 4,7]__________________________________________________ ______________4,82_______3,13
FT4: 1,26 ng/dl [0,8 - 2]__________________________________________________ ________________1,29_______1,16
MSH: 9,7 pmol/l [7,9 - 14,4]__________________________________________________ _________________________9,8
HTG: 7,65 ng/ml [0,0 - 35]__________________________________________________ __________________________6,61
TBG: 18 mcg/ml [15 - 32]__________________________________________________ ___________________________18,6
TSH: 2,92 micru/ml [0,34 - 5,6]__________________________________________________ __________3,88________3,92
FSH: 4,16 miu/ml [1,27 - 19,26]_______________________2,09________2,56_____________________1,42________3,9
LH: 3,80 miu/ml [1,24 - 8,62]_________________________2,19________2,58_____________________2,61________4,84
PREGNENOLONE: 155 ng/ml [10 - 230]__________________________________________________ ________________160
ANDROSTENEDIONE: 1,77 ng/ml [0,3 - 3,1]__________________________________________________ ____________1,79
ALDOSTERONE: 180 pg/ml [10 - 160]__________________________________________________ _________________184
DHEA: 7,3 ng/ml [2,5 - 9,5]__________________________________________________ _________________________6,2
DHEAS: 191 mcg/dl [106 - 464]_______________________209_________209,6________________________________221,6
DHT: 71 ng/ml [31 - 146]__________________________________________________ ___________________________70
TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,86 ng/ml [1,75 - 7,81]___________0,72________0,61_________________________________6,29
TESTOSTERONE FREE: 11,7 pg/ml [8 - 47]______________5,2_________4,8_______________________9,6_________13,5
SHBG: 38 pg/ml [13 - 71]____________________________10__________<0,1_________________________________36
ESTRADIOL 17-BETA: 36 pg/ml [<20 - 47]__________________________________________________ __9__________30
PROGESTERONE: 0,93 ng/ml [0,14 - 2,06]__________________________________________________ _____________0,87
PRL: 9,88 ng/ml [2,64 - 13,13]__________________________________________________ ___________12,78______13,05
HGH: 0,2 ng/ml [0,0 - 10]____________________________<0,1________<0,1_________________________________0,3

URINE
COLOUR: straw-coloured____________________________straw-coloured____________________________________straw-coloured
APPEARANCE: lightly opalescent [limpid]_______________lightly opalescent__________________________________limpid
PH REACTION: 5,5 [5 - 6,5]___________________________6________________________________________________5,5
SPECIFIC WEIGHT: 1020 [1015 - 1028]_________________1016_____________________________________________1018
PROTEINS: none mg/dl [0,0 - 10]______________________none_____________________________________________none
HEMOGLOBIN: none [none]___________________________present +_________________________________________none
GLUCOSE: none gr/litre [0,0 - 0,2]_____________________none_____________________________________________none
KETONE BODIES: none [none]_________________________none_____________________________________________none
UROBILINOGEN: none mg/dl [0,0 - 0,2]_________________none_____________________________________________none
BILIARY PIGMENTS: none [none]______________________none_____________________________________________none
NITRITE: none [none]_______________________________none_____________________________________________none

FAECES
SHAPE: solid [homogeneous]__________________________________________________ ________________________caprina
CONSISTENCY: compost [poltacea]__________________________________________________ __________________solid
COLOUR: brown [brown]__________________________________________________ ____________________________brown
ODOUR: sui generis [sui generis]__________________________________________________ _____________________sui generis
MUCUS: absent [absent]__________________________________________________ ___________________________absent
BLOOD: absent [absent]__________________________________________________ ____________________________absent
PH REACTION: 7__________________________________________________ ___________________________________7,4
PARASITOLOGICAL: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ _______________negative
SALMONELLA: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ ___________________negative
HELICOBACTER PYLORI: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ ___________negative
GIARDIASIS: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ ____________________negative

SPERM
VOLUME: 2,8 ml [>= 2]__________________________________________________ ______2,5____________________________________2,6
PH: 8,1 [7,2-8]__________________________________________________ ____________7,2_____________________________________7,3
APPEARANCE: own__________________________________________________ _________own____________________________________own
VISCOSITY: increased + [within limits]__________________________________________within limits_____________________________within limits
FLUIDIFICATION 45': finely irregular [physiologic]_________________________________physiologic______________________________physiologic
SPERMATOZOON CONCENTRATION: 89.000.000 /ml [>= 20.000.000]__________________42.000.000______________________________85.000.000
EJACULATE SPERMATOZOON COUNT: 249.200.000 [>= 40.000.000]__________________105.000.000_____________________________228.000.000
2ND HOUR MOTILITY: 60 % [>= 50 %]___________________________________________45______________________________________57
TYPICAL MORPHOLOGIC SPERMATOZOON: 30 % [>= 35 %]__________________________28______________________________________35
ATYPICAL MORPHOLOGIC SPERMATOZOON: 70 %__________________________________72______________________________________71
LEUCOCYTE: 300.000 /ml [<= 1.000.000]________________________________________500.000_________________________________335.000
ERYTHROCYTE: absent [absent/rare]____________________________________________absent__________________________________absent
GERMINAL CELLS: rare [absent/rare]____________________________________________present_________________________________absent
EPITHELIAL CELLS: rare [absent/rare]___________________________________________absent__________________________________absent
SPERMAGGLUTINATION ZONES: rare [absent/rare]_________________________________absent__________________________________absent

[BJJ]

A special and deep thanks to the following members (in order of appearance) who contributed in different ways to help me throughout my very first cycle.

terraj (aas proper decision)
D7M (thread reliability)
ythrashin (criticism)
Big (thread reliability)
WARMachine (pct)
*El Diablo* (thread reliabilty)
marcus300 (pct)
swifto (pct)
Merc. (gsh protocol)
Narkissos (thread reliability)

Furthermore, I thank indeed all the members who helped me when I was thinking to run a first cycle with testosterone enanthate . There are so many...

With this post my thread comes to its natural end but I will be always available to clarify what needed on the whole of the data I posted here.
Salutateme 'a soreta...

[Steroidman99]

For those interested in the final blood work results, the lab is giving me a hard time but hopefully before Friday...!
Just be patient a bit more.

PS
However, I already know both test total and free test values are higher than before the cycle so, the addition of Clomid in my pct, should have been a right idea.
There is a but... my PRL is also higher than before!

So you think that Nolva/Clomid increased your test from 0,61 to 6,29, i.e. almost twice above the level before cycle? That's hard to believe, really... The last time I used Nolva (after a 8-week Winstrol +T-bol cycle) I lost everything I gained within 2 weeks after the cycle. It didn't help at all. Hence I don't want to take this stuff anymore. I think it simply doesn't help in me, if I run some steroid longer than 6 weeks in high doses.

[BJJ]

So you think that Nolva/Clomid increased your test from 0,61 to 6,29, i.e. almost twice above the level before cycle? That's hard to believe, really... The last time I used Nolva (after a 8-week Winstrol+T-bol cycle) I lost everything I gained within 2 weeks after the cycle. It didn't help at all. Hence I don't want to take this stuff anymore. I think it simply doesn't help in me, if I run some steroid longer than 6 weeks in high doses.

How was your diet?
In this thread, almost no one understood that the real deal in my case was, surely a good genetics predisposition for Oxandrolone, but at the basement a proper diet (how to combine what and when to eat those food combination).
If you lost everything within two weeks after such a cycle, I believe you should blame your diet or perhaps the drugs you have taken in your pct were not what you thought they were, so your HPTA could not restore in a timely manner.

In any case, how do you account my test level now compared to before the cycle, if you hardly believe it increased due to the sinergy of both nolva and clomid?

[BJJ]

IGF-1 lowered during cycle but doubled after PCT!
Any clues about that?
HGH increased too about 50%.

IGF-1: 190 ng/ml [96 - 424]__________________________184_________163_________ ________________________392
HGH: 0,2 ng/ml [0,0 - 10]____________________________<0,1________<0,1______ ___________________________0,3

[Steroidman99]

Hello, I just finished my 8-week Anavar cycle. I took steroid powder dissolved in sunflower oil, and since my applicator turned out to be very inaccurate, I actually took 70 mg/day instead of 50 mg/day most of the time. Today I got lab results that were quite surprising for me.

S-ALT 0.76 ukat/l 0.05-0.85 (-*-) pre-cycle: 0.47
S-AST 0.75 ukat/l 0.05-0.89 (-*-) pre-cycle: 0.41
S-GGT 0.14 ukat/l 0.05-1.13 (-*-)
S-Cholesterol 6.70 mmol/l 2.9-5 (---)* pre-cycle: 4.50
S-LDLcholesterol 5.48 mmol/l 1.2-3 (---)*
S-HDLcholesterol 0.51 mmol/l 1-2.1 *(---)
S-Testosteron 0.39 nmol/l 9.9-27.8 *(---)

I feared liver toxicity, but surprisingly, my liver enzymes are still within the normal range. My cholesterol is sh*tty, but I expected even worse numbers. What shocked me, however, is my testosterone . I have never measured it before, so I can't compare it to my "normal" values. The units nmol/l confuse me a lot, too.

I may be wrong, but 0.39 nmol/l should equal to 112.5 ng/l. However, it doesn't fit the reference range that is one order higher. (The average value for young Caucasian men is ca. 550 ng/l, 200-800 ng/l.) I rather suppose that there is some mistake and the real number is 11.25 ng/l, which would mean virtually 100% suppression.

[BJJ]

Hello, I just finished my 8-week Anavar cycle. I took steroid powder dissolved in sunflower oil, and since my applicator turned out to be very inaccurate, I actually took 70 mg/day instead of 50 mg/day most of the time. Today I got lab results that were quite surprising for me.

S-ALT 0.76 ukat/l 0.05-0.85 (-*-) pre-cycle: 0.47
S-AST 0.75 ukat/l 0.05-0.89 (-*-) pre-cycle: 0.41
S-GGT 0.14 ukat/l 0.05-1.13 (-*-)
S-Cholesterol 6.70 mmol/l 2.9-5 (---)* pre-cycle: 4.50
S-LDLcholesterol 5.48 mmol/l 1.2-3 (---)*
S-HDLcholesterol 0.51 mmol/l 1-2.1 *(---)
S-Testosteron 0.39 nmol/l 9.9-27.8 *(---)

I feared liver toxicity, but surprisingly, my liver enzymes are still within the normal range. My cholesterol is sh*tty, but I expected even worse numbers. What shocked me, however, is my testosterone . I have never measured it before, so I can't compare it to my "normal" values. The units nmol/l confuse me a lot, too.

I may be wrong, but 0.39 nmol/l should equal to 112.5 ng/l. However, it doesn't fit the reference range that is one order higher. (The average value for young Caucasian men is ca. 550 ng/l, 200-800 ng/l.) I rather suppose that there is some mistake and the real number is 11.25 ng/l, which would mean virtually 100% suppression.

Before going any deeper, when on your 56 days of cycle you took that BW?
What day I mean?

[Steroidman99]

Before going any deeper, when on your 56 days of cycle you took that BW?
What day I mean?

What is BW? A lab test?

I started the cycle on December 7th, with low doses 30-40 mg/day (=actually 42-56 mg/day) and later increased the dosage up to 50 mg/day (=70 mg/day) during the 2nd week. I went as high as 55 mg/day (=80 mg/day) during the 4th week (December 26th-January 1st), but I saw no difference. I also used creatine throughout the whole cycle.

Curiously, my strength gains stopped after mere 5 weeks and although I further gained some weight, it must have been only water, because my face started to get a markedly puffy look. I gradually lowered the doses during the 8th week and I "officially" finished the cycle on January 31st. However, considering that I was waiting for S-4, which I wanted to use for PCT, I still must use 10 mg/day to prevent expectable crash. Thus, I have been actually running my 9th week on Anavar , albeit on a very small dose.

I was in the hospital today (Friday, February 5th) and they sent me the results of the lab tests several hours ago. Unfortunately, I haven't received S-4 yet, but when I see my test levels, I think I am rather ripe for HCG .

Note: I already know, where's the problem with the testosterone values. I confused ng/l with ng/dl. ng/dl is the correct value, so my test levels are 11.25 ng/dl - virtually non existent (roughly 2% of the average level of men of my age - 36 years!). I expected some suppression (with 80 mg/day, I could expect roughly 2/3 suppression), but this really took my breath. After my last 8-week cycle on stanozolol and T-bol (April-May 2009), I lost everything I gained within mere 2 weeks post-cycle, even on Tamoxifen . Now it is completely clear, where the problem is.