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    Another of your crazy logs man!!!
    You really have time to dedicate to fill this data.
    What's your occupation?

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    Hey how didi the anavar effect your cardio during BJJ? Better or worse?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by solidpaddy View Post
    Hey how didi the anavar effect your cardio during BJJ? Better or worse?

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    A little improvement at the beginning.
    Then, I noticed nothing particular anymore.
    In any case, no worse.

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    thanks,

    Currently on a winny only and its messing with my cardio during kickboxing, chest tightness and racing heart beat for hours afterwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solidpaddy View Post
    thanks,

    Currently on a winny only and its messing with my cardio during kickboxing, chest tightness and racing heart beat for hours afterwards.
    You are a kickboxer and running a winny only cycle, lol?

    Watch out your tendons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    You are a kickboxer and running a winny only cycle, lol?

    Watch out your tendons?
    yeah,

    joints OK so far, loading up on omega 3, cissus, GS.......

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    So BJJ, after all this extensive learning & experience you've just accomplished, what's the best PCT route as you said earlier you believe the right PCT is key to a var cycle. I thought just 2-4 weeks on nolva is ok but i see you've been mixing it up..
    I've read about clomid causing blindness!? Isn't nolva safer?

    others, please chime in too.
    Last edited by grinderman; 07-14-2010 at 12:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grinderman View Post
    So BJJ, after all this extensive learning & experience you've just accomplished, what's the best PCT route as you said earlier you believe the right PCT is key to a var cycle. I thought just 2-4 weeks on nolva is ok but i see you've been mixing it up..
    I've read about clomid causing blindness!? Isn't nolva safer?

    others, please chime in too.
    I decide what PCT to run based on my blood work which I take before the cycle and 1 week before the end of the bulking period. I do not guess in blindness.

    That being said, Oxandrolone should be stack with Mesterolone.
    This sinergy would allow your LH values not to drop during the cycle and this could lead to a faster and easier PCT.

    Tamoxifen only can be the solution even though its sinergy with clomiphene seemed to work better for me.

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    Thanks BJJ. If your avata is you then i'm sold on var. You look like like a lean mean fighting machine!

    One last one - diet is the biggest factor. Could you recommend any tools (on-line calculators?) or formulas to calculate calories?

    I found this excel calculator brilliant! http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post500438281
    Last edited by grinderman; 07-14-2010 at 01:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grinderman View Post
    Thanks BJJ. If your avata is you then i'm sold on var. You look like like a lean mean fighting machine!

    One last one - diet is the biggest factor. Could you recommend any tools (on-line calculators?) or formulas to calculate calories?

    I found this excel calculator brilliant! http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post500438281
    I am lean not because of steroids lol.
    Look at my picture before starting the first anavar only cycle.
    I was lean too.

    Diet is the key and yes you may use that excel sheet if you know it to be well setup.
    In any case, I am sure you know the Kcal for each macro, if not be aware that protides and glucides = 4 Kcal per g, fats = 9 Kcal per g and alcohol = 7 Kcal per g. I am sure you do not need the last one, but if you drink a beer...

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    Have you got any before var pictures to compare how lean you were?

    This thread is so helpful. Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by grinderman View Post
    Have you got any before var pictures to compare how lean you were?

    This thread is so helpful. Thanks again!
    Go in my profile page lol, the lonely picture in my album was taken before the var.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    STATS:__________________________________________Day 16_____________________________Day 35_____________________________Day 56______________________________________Day 62 (1W PCT)
    36 years old, 187 cm (6'2" ft)
    Body Weight: 87,5 kg (192,5 lbs)_________________________94,5 kg (207,9 lbs) +8%_____________98,9 kg (217,6 lbs) +13,02%_________96,5 kg (212,3 lbs) +10,28%__________________94,7 kg (208,3 lbs) +8,23%
    Body Fat: 12,9%______________________________________14% +8,52%_______________________14,6% +13,17%____________________14% +8,52%________________________________12,3% -3,14%
    Body Water: 63,2%____________________________________63,6% +0,63%_____________________63,8% +0,94%_____________________64% +1,26%
    Estimated Muscle Mass: 73,5 kg (161,7 lbs)________________77,3 kg (170,6 lbs) +5,17%__________80,3 kg (176,66 lbs) +9,25%_________78,9 kg (173,58 lbs) +7,34%__________________79,6 kg (175,1 lbs) +8,30%
    Training Experience: since 1990

    Lean Body Mass Acquisition (LBM): 9,043 kg (19,89 lbs)
    New Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR): 2.053 Kcal
    Complete Cycle Log (post #393): ANAVAR Cycle (for those interested)

    Strength (8 reps by myself):___________________________________Day 56
    Squat (legs) 100 kg (220 lbs)________________________________________130 kg (286 lbs) +30%
    One Arm Dumbbell Row (back) 30 kg (66 lbs)____________________________44 kg (96,8 lbs) +46,66%
    Bench Press with Dumbbells (chest) 30 kg (66 lbs) each__________________40 kg (88 lbs) +33,33%
    Military Press with Dumbbells (shoulders) 24 kg (52,8 lbs) each_____________34 kg (74,8 lbs) +41,66%
    Dumbbells Curls (biceps - seated) 24 kg (52,8 lbs) each__________________30 kg (66 lbs) +25%
    Dumbbells Curls (triceps - lying down) 18 kg (39,6 lbs) each_______________24 kg (52,8 lbs) +33,33%
    Strength Acquisition: 35% estimate

    FORMULA: (current-previous)/previous*100 = (+) increase% or (-) decrease%

    CYCLE:
    BULKING (09/23/2009 - 11/17/2009)
    Week 1-8 Oxandrolone (Oxanabolic) [UG] 60 mg ed (ttl 2.940 mg) (Breakfast/Lunch) [half life 9 hours] {detection time 3 weeks}
    Week 4-7 Mesterolone (Proviron ) [HG] 50 mg ed (ttl 1.400 mg) (Breakfast/Dinner) [half life 12 hours] {detection time 5-6 weeks}
    PCT (18/11/2009 - 12/28/2009)
    Week 9-10 Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) [HG] 50/50 mg ed (ttl 700 mg) (Breakfast) [half life 5-7 days]
    Week 9-11 Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolvadex ) [HG] 20/20/20 mg ed (ttl 420 mg) (Breakfast) [half life 7 days]
    Week 11-12 Clenbuterol Hydrochloride [HG] 60/60/80/80/100/100/100/100/60/60 mcg ed (ttl 800 mcg) (Breakfast) [half life 36-39 hours] {detection time 4-5 days}
    Week 12-13 Glutathione (GSH) [HG] 600 mg ed (ttl 6.000 mg) (Morning)

    DIET:
    BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate): 1.954 Kcal
    Daily Diet (3.159 Kcal) consists in:
    300 g of Protides (11,3 oz)
    55 g of Lipides (2,82 oz)
    366 g of Glucides (14,1 oz)

    Supplements consist in:
    Multi Vitamins/Minerals, Vitamin C/Ester, EFA complex, ALA, LIV.52, CLA, ZMA, Chromium Picolinate, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Coenzyme Q10, Glutamine, BCAA, Glucosamine, Chondroitin Sulfate, Glycine, l-Arginine, Alpha-Ketoisocaproic Acid Calcium.

    BLOOD, URINE, FAECES & SPERM ANALYSES:
    __________________________________________________18__________36__________51__________56__________98 (4W PCT)_____122 (8W PCT)

    BLOOD
    ERYTHROCYTES: 5,18 mil/mmc [4 - 5,5]__________________________________________________ ___5,2_________5,34
    LEUCOCYTES: 7,3 mila/mmc [4 - 9]__________________________________________________ _______8,6_________7,5
    - NE: 4,1 / 55,8 % [2 - 6 / 37 - 80]__________________________________________________ __________________4,1 / 54,8
    - LY: 2,4 / 33 % [0,6 - 36 / 10 - 50]__________________________________________________ _________________2,7 / 35,6
    - MO: 0,6 / 8,6 % [0 - 0,9 / 0 - 12]__________________________________________________ __________________0,5 / 7,1
    - EO: 0,2 / 2,1 % [0 - 7 / 0 - 7]__________________________________________________ _____________________0,1 / 1,8
    - BA: 0 / 0,5 % [0 - 0,2 / 0 - 2,5]__________________________________________________ ____________________0,1 / 0,7
    HEMOGLOBIN: 14,9 gr/dl [14 - 18]__________________________________________________ ________13,6________15,6
    HEMATOCRIT: 45,3 % [42 - 52]__________________________________________________ __________44,1________45,5
    MCV: 87,5 femtol [82 - 98]__________________________________________________ ______________84,8________85,2
    MCH: 28,8 picogr. [27 - 31]__________________________________________________ _____________26,2________29,2
    MCHC: 32,9 gr/dl [32 - 36]__________________________________________________ ______________30,8________34,3
    RDW: 13,5 % [11,6 - 16]__________________________________________________ ___________________________14
    GRAN-NEUTROPHILS: 55,8 % [37 -80]__________________________________________________ _____60,7________54,8
    GRAN-EOSINOPHILS: 2,1 % [0,0 - 7]__________________________________________________ ______1,9_________1,8
    GRAN-BASOPHILS: 0,5 % [0,0 - 2,5]__________________________________________________ ______0,7_________0,7
    LYMPHOCYTES: 33,0 % [10 - 50]__________________________________________________ ________28,4________35,6
    MONOCYTES: 8,6 % [0,0 - 12]__________________________________________________ ___________8,3_________7,1
    PLATELETS: 163000 /mmc [150000 - 400000]________________________________________________336000_____164000
    PCT: 0,12 % [0,1 - 1]__________________________________________________ ______________________________0,12
    MPV: 7,3 fl [5 - 10]__________________________________________________ ________________________________7,2
    PDW: 17,4 % [12 - 18]__________________________________________________ _____________________________18,5

    HEART, KIDNEYS, LIVER, PANCREAS & PROSTATE
    GLYCEMIA (basal): 90 mg/dl [70 - 110]__________________________________________________ ________________98

    QUICK PROTHROMBIN TIME: 13,7 s_________________________________________________ ____________________13,1
    PROTHROMBIN ACTIVITY: 69,6 % [70-130]__________________________________________________ ____________86
    INR: 1,18__________________________________________________ ________________________________________1,09
    APTT: 27,5 s_________________________________________________ ______________________________________27,8
    FIBRINOGEN: 185 mg/dl [180 - 350]__________________________________________________ __________________184,7
    HOMOCYSTEINE: 10 mcmoli/l [6 - 15]__________________________________________________ _________________9,5
    MYOGLOBIN: 26 ng/ml [10 - 46]__________________________________________________ ______________________38

    AZOTEMIA: 49 mg/dl [15-40]__________________________62__________57______________________56__________53______________52,8
    CREATININE: 1,2 mg/dl [0,8 - 1,3]_____________________1,2__________1,2______________________1,3_________1,3
    HYPERURICEMIA: 5,9 mg/dl [3,5 - 7,2]__________________________________________________ ________________5,5

    CHOLESTEROL TTL: 168 mg/dl [140 - 220]______________179_________205______________________232________194
    CHOLESTEROL VLDL: 33 mg/dl [20 - 40]__________________________________________________ _______________30
    CHOLESTEROL LDL: 105 mg/dl [< 150]__________________157_________199_____________________202_________129_____________101
    CHOLESTEROL HDL: 41 mg/dl [> 40]____________________13__________11_______________________13__________45
    INDEX RISK HDL: 4,1 [till 5]___________________________13,76_______19,2_____________________17,8________4,3
    APO A1: 185 mg/dl [115 - 220]__________________________________________________ ______________________190
    APO B: 77 mg/dl [55 - 125]__________________________________________________ __________________________79
    RATIO B/A1 APO: 0,41 [0,35 - 1]__________________________________________________ _____________________0,41
    TRIGLYCERIDES: 95 mg/dl [< 150]__________________________________________________ ____________________104

    GAMMA (YGT): 28 u/ltr [15 - 85]______________________29__________28_______________________26__________40
    ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE: 71 u/ltr [50 - 136]__________________________________________________ ___________72
    BILIRUBIN TTL: 1,98 mg/dl [0,2-1]_____________________0,83________0,78_________________________________0,93____________1,54
    BILIRUBIN DIRECT: 0,22 mg/dl [0,05 - 0,3]______________0,1__________0,1__________________________________0,1_____________0,53
    BILIRUBIN INDIRECT: 1,76 mg/dl [till 0,7]________________0,73________0,68_________________________________0,83____________1,01
    TRANSAMINASE GOT/AST: 21 u/ltr [15 - 37]_____________55__________50_______________________46_________28______________58
    TRANSAMINASE GPT/ALT: 41 u/ltr [30 - 65]_____________86__________66_______________________95__________71______________77
    FERRITIN: 124,5 ng/ml [24 - 336]__________________________________________________ ____________________124

    LIPASE: 236 u/ltr [114 - 284]__________________________________________________ ________________________298____________216
    AMYLASE: 62 u/ltr [25 - 115]_________________________55__________63_______________________64__________75_____________76

    LDH: 160 u/ltr [100 - 190]__________________________________________________ __________________________155
    CPK MB: 200 u/ltr [35 - 232]__________________________________________________ ________________________230
    CK NAK: 150 u/l [till 167]__________________________________________________ ___________________________165
    PROTIDES TTL: 7,4 gr/dl [6,4 - 8,2]__________________________________________________ _______7,8_________7,7
    ALBUMIN: 59,1 % [51 - 63,3]__________________________________________________ ____________60,3________63,1
    ALFA 1: 2,9 % [2,2 - 4,3]__________________________________________________ _______________2,4_________2,3
    ALFA 2: 10,1 % [9,5 - 14]__________________________________________________ ______________12,6________8,5
    BETA: 9,6 % [10-14,5]__________________________________________________ _________________11,3________9,3
    GAMMA: 18,3 % [12 - 20]__________________________________________________ _______________13,4________16,8
    A/G RATIO: 1,44 [1,0 - 1,7]__________________________________________________ _____________1,52________1,71

    PSA: 0,64 ng/ml [till 4]__________________________________________________ _________________0,39_________0,58
    PSA FREE: 0,22__________________________________________________ ____________________________________0,24
    PSA FREE/TTL: 0,40 [>0,15]__________________________________________________ _________________________0,41
    PAP: 4,8 u/ltr [<= 4,7]__________________________________________________ ______________________________5,1

    IGG: 1447 mg/dl [681 - 1648]__________________________________________________ ________________________1455
    IGA: 304 mg/dl [87 - 474]__________________________________________________ ___________________________321
    IGD: 50 u/ml [till 100]__________________________________________________ _______________________________57
    IGM: 99 mg/dl [48 - 312]__________________________________________________ ____________________________97
    IGE (prist): 37,47 iu/ml [1,31 - 165,3]__________________________________________________ _________________39,77

    INFECTIVITY & ALLERGOLOGY
    HIV-Ab (1+2): 0,16 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]__________________________________________________ __________0,18 non-react
    HCV-Ab: 0,13 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]__________________________________________________ _______________0,12 non-react
    HBS-Ag: 0,37 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]__________________________________________________ _______________0,39 non-react
    HAV-Ab (IgT): >85 react miu/ml [<35]__________________________________________________ _________________>85 react
    HAV-Ab (IgM): 0,08 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]__________________________________________________ __________0,07 non-react
    TAS: 110 ui/ml [0 - 166]__________________________________________________ ____________________________111
    VDRL: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ ___________________________negative
    CRP: 2 mg/dl [till 5]__________________________________________________ _________________________________2,1
    REUMA TEST: <20 iu/ml [<20]__________________________________________________ ________________________<20
    ESR: 5 mm/h [till 15]__________________________________________________ ________________________________5
    LYSOZYME: 7 picog/ml [4 - 13]__________________________________________________ _______________________7
    ACE: 9 mcg/l [6 - 12]__________________________________________________ _______________________________8,5

    RAST Egg: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Yolk: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Crayfish: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Yeast: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Pork: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Fish Mix: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Olea Europaea Pollen: 0,1 [<0,3]

    VITAMINS & ELECTROLYTES
    VITAMIN A: 779,2 mcg/l [300-650]__________________________________________________ ___________________692,1
    VITAMIN E: 12,6 mg/ltr [5 - 20]__________________________________________________ ______________________100
    VITAMIN C: 0,9 mg/ml [0,5-1,5]__________________________________________________ ______________________1,2
    VITAMIN B12: 587 pg/ml [179 - 1162]__________________________________________________ _________________787
    VITAMIN D3: 60 ng/ml [10-45]__________________________________________________ _______________________40
    VITAMIN H: 82 ng/ml [70-100]__________________________________________________ _______________________90
    VITAMIN K: 22 mcg/ml [15-30]__________________________________________________ _______________________26
    VITAMIN PP: 0,7 mg/ml [0,5-0,8]__________________________________________________ _____________________0,7

    SODIUM: 142 meq/l [136 - 145]__________________________________________________ ______________________139
    POTASSIUM: 4,0 meq/l [3,5 - 5,1]__________________________________________________ ____________________4,4
    CALCIUM: 9,0 mg/dl [8,5 - 10,1]__________________________________________________ ______________________9,1
    MAGNESIUM: 2,0 mg/dl [1,8 - 2,4]__________________________________________________ ____________________2,2
    PHOSPHORUS: 3,7 mg/dl [2,7 - 4,5]__________________________________________________ ___________________4,3
    IRON: 148 mcg/dl [35 - 150]__________________________________________________ _________________________96
    ZINC: 103 mcg/dl [80 - 125]__________________________________________________ _________________________132
    CHLORINE: 103 meq/l [98 - 107]__________________________________________________ ______________________99
    COPPER: 88 ku/l [76 - 153]__________________________________________________ __________________________88

    HORMONAL
    GASTRIN: 31 pg/ml [28-125]__________________________________________________ _________________________33
    MELATONIN: 47 pg/ml [20 - 85]__________________________________________________ ______________________50
    C-PEPTIDE: 1,2 ng/ml [0,78 – 1,89]__________________________________________________ ___________________1,25
    INSULIN : 3,34 micru/ml [1,9 - 23]______________________3,6_________3,04_________________________________2,39
    GLUCAGON: 55 pg/ml [40-130]__________________________________________________ _______________________55
    ACTH: 20 pg/dl [till 50]__________________________________________________ _____________________________21
    CORTISOL: 12,53 mg/dl [8,7 - 22,4]__________________________________________________ ______13,64_______18,7
    FT3: 3,48 pg/ml [2,2 - 4,7]__________________________________________________ ______________4,82_______3,13
    FT4: 1,26 ng/dl [0,8 - 2]__________________________________________________ ________________1,29_______1,16
    MSH: 9,7 pmol/l [7,9 - 14,4]__________________________________________________ _________________________9,8
    HTG: 7,65 ng/ml [0,0 - 35]__________________________________________________ __________________________6,61
    TBG: 18 mcg/ml [15 - 32]__________________________________________________ ___________________________18,6
    TSH: 2,92 micru/ml [0,34 - 5,6]__________________________________________________ __________3,88________3,92
    FSH: 4,16 miu/ml [1,27 - 19,26]_______________________2,09________2,56_____________________1,42________3,9
    LH: 3,80 miu/ml [1,24 - 8,62]_________________________2,19________2,58_____________________2,61________4,84
    PREGNENOLONE: 155 ng/ml [10 - 230]__________________________________________________ ________________160
    ANDROSTENEDIONE: 1,77 ng/ml [0,3 - 3,1]__________________________________________________ ____________1,79
    ALDOSTERONE: 180 pg/ml [10 - 160]__________________________________________________ _________________184
    DHEA: 7,3 ng/ml [2,5 - 9,5]__________________________________________________ _________________________6,2
    DHEAS: 191 mcg/dl [106 - 464]_______________________209_________209,6________________________________221,6
    DHT: 71 ng/ml [31 - 146]__________________________________________________ ___________________________70
    TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,86 ng/ml [1,75 - 7,81]___________0,72________0,61_________________________________6,29
    TESTOSTERONE FREE: 11,7 pg/ml [8 - 47]______________5,2_________4,8_______________________9,6_________13,5
    SHBG: 38 pg/ml [13 - 71]____________________________10__________<0,1_________________________________36
    ESTRONE: 47 pg/ml [40 - 60]__________________________________________________ ________________________45
    ESTRADIOL 17-BETA: 36 pg/ml [<20 - 47]__________________________________________________ __9__________30
    ESTRIOL: 5,7 pg/ml [4,7 - 7,1]__________________________________________________ _______________________5,5
    PROGESTERONE: 0,93 ng/ml [0,14 - 2,06]__________________________________________________ _____________0,87
    PRL: 9,88 ng/ml [2,64 - 13,13]__________________________________________________ ___________12,78______13,05
    IGF-1: 190 ng/ml [96 - 424]__________________________184_________163__________________________________392
    HGH: 0,2 ng/ml [0,0 - 10]____________________________<0,1________<0,1_________________________________0,3

    URINE
    COLOUR: straw-coloured____________________________straw-coloured____________________________________straw-coloured
    APPEARANCE: lightly opalescent [limpid]_______________lightly opalescent__________________________________limpid
    PH REACTION: 5,5 [5 - 6,5]___________________________6________________________________________________5,5
    SPECIFIC WEIGHT: 1020 [1015 - 1028]_________________1016_____________________________________________1018
    PROTEINS: none mg/dl [0,0 - 10]______________________none_____________________________________________none
    HEMOGLOBIN: none [none]___________________________present +_________________________________________none
    GLUCOSE: none gr/litre [0,0 - 0,2]_____________________none_____________________________________________none
    KETONE BODIES: none [none]_________________________none_____________________________________________none
    UROBILINOGEN: none mg/dl [0,0 - 0,2]_________________none_____________________________________________none
    BILIARY PIGMENTS: none [none]______________________none_____________________________________________none
    NITRITE: none [none]_______________________________none_____________________________________________none

    FAECES
    SHAPE: solid [homogeneous]__________________________________________________ ________________________caprina
    CONSISTENCY: compost [poltacea]__________________________________________________ __________________solid
    COLOUR: brown [brown]__________________________________________________ ____________________________brown
    ODOUR: sui generis [sui generis]__________________________________________________ _____________________sui generis
    MUCUS: absent [absent]__________________________________________________ ___________________________absent
    BLOOD: absent [absent]__________________________________________________ ____________________________absent
    PH REACTION: 7__________________________________________________ ___________________________________7,4
    PARASITOLOGICAL: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ _______________negative
    SALMONELLA: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ ___________________negative
    HELICOBACTER PYLORI: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ ___________negative
    GIARDIASIS: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ ____________________negative

    SPERM
    VOLUME: 2,8 ml [>= 2]__________________________________________________ ______2,5____________________________________2,6
    PH: 8,1 [7,2-8]__________________________________________________ ____________7,2_____________________________________7,3
    APPEARANCE: own__________________________________________________ _________own____________________________________own
    VISCOSITY: increased + [within limits]__________________________________________within limits_____________________________within limits
    FLUIDIFICATION 45': finely irregular [physiologic]_________________________________physiologic______________________________physiologic
    SPERMATOZOON CONCENTRATION: 89.000.000 /ml [>= 20.000.000]__________________42.000.000______________________________85.000.000
    EJACULATE SPERMATOZOON COUNT: 249.200.000 [>= 40.000.000]__________________105.000.000_____________________________228.000.000
    2ND HOUR MOTILITY: 60 % [>= 50 %]___________________________________________45______________________________________57
    TYPICAL MORPHOLOGIC SPERMATOZOON: 30 % [>= 35 %]__________________________28______________________________________35
    ATYPICAL MORPHOLOGIC SPERMATOZOON: 70 %__________________________________72______________________________________71
    LEUCOCYTE: 300.000 /ml [<= 1.000.000]________________________________________500.000_________________________________335.000
    ERYTHROCYTE: absent [absent/rare]____________________________________________absent__________________________________absent
    GERMINAL CELLS: rare [absent/rare]____________________________________________present_________________________________absent
    EPITHELIAL CELLS: rare [absent/rare]___________________________________________absent__________________________________absent
    SPERMAGGLUTINATION ZONES: rare [absent/rare]_________________________________absent__________________________________absent




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    Quote Originally Posted by D7M View Post
    I'll see if I can get this moved to the member cycle results forum for you, BJJ.
    I totally missed your post lol.
    Yes please move it, even though a bit late.

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    CYCLE:
    BULKING (23/09/2009 - 17/11/2009)
    Week 1-8 Oxandrolone [UG] 60 mg ed (ttl 2.940 mg) (Breakfast/Lunch)
    Week 4-7 Mesterolone [PG] 50 mg ed (ttl 1.400 mg) (Breakfast/Dinner)
    PCT (18/11/2009 - 28/12/2009)
    Week 9-10 Clomiphene Citrate [PG] 50/50 mg ed (ttl 700 mg) (Breakfast)
    Week 9-11 Tamoxifen Citrate [PG] 20/20/20 mg ed (ttl 420 mg) (Breakfast)
    Week 11-12 Clenbuterol Hydrochloride [PG] 60/60/80/80/100/100/100/100/60/60 mcg ed (ttl 800 mcg) (Breakfast)
    Week 12-13 Glutathione [PG] 600 mg ed (ttl 6.000 mg) (Morning)

    IUPAC:
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...47#post5278847

    DIET:
    BMR: 1.954 Kcal
    Daily Diet (3.159 Kcal): 300 g of Protides, 55 g of Lipides, 366 g of Glucides
    Protides/Glucides Relation: 0,81
    Supplements: Multi Vitamins/Minerals, Vitamin C/Ester, EFA complex, ALA, LIV.52, CLA, ZMA, Chromium Picolinate, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Coenzyme Q10, Glutamine, BCAA, Glucosamine, Chondroitin Sulfate, Glycine, l-Arginine, Alpha-Ketoisocaproic Acid Calcium.

    STRENGTH (8 reps):__________________________________________Da y 56
    Squat (legs) 100 kg (220 lbs)_______________________________________130 kg (286 lbs) +30%
    One Arm Dumbbell Row (back) 30 kg (66 lbs)___________________________44 kg (96,8 lbs) +46,66%
    Bench Press with Dumbbells (chest) 30 kg (66 lbs) each_________________40 kg (88 lbs) +33,33%
    Military Press with Dumbbells (shoulders) 24 kg (52,8 lbs) each____________34 kg (74,8 lbs) +41,66%
    Dumbbells Curls (biceps - seated) 24 kg (52,8 lbs) each_________________30 kg (66 lbs) +25%
    Dumbbells Curls (triceps - lying down) 18 kg (39,6 lbs) each______________24 kg (52,8 lbs) +33,33%

    Strength Acquisition: 35% estimate
    Formula: (current-previous)/previous*100 = (+) increase% or (-) decrease%

    STATS:__________________________________________Day 16_____________________________Day 35_____________________________Day 56______________________________________Day 62 (1W PCT)
    36 years old, 187 cm (6'2" ft)
    Body Weight: 87,5 kg (192,5 lbs)_________________________94,5 kg (207,9 lbs) +8%_____________98,9 kg (217,6 lbs) +13,02%_________96,5 kg (212,3 lbs) +10,28%__________________94,7 kg (208,3 lbs) +8,23%
    Body Fat: 12,9%______________________________________14% +8,52%_______________________14,6% +13,17%____________________14% +8,52%________________________________12,3% -3,14%
    Body Water: 63,2%____________________________________63,6% +0,63%_____________________63,8% +0,94%_____________________64% +1,26%
    Estimated Muscle Mass: 73,5 kg (161,7 lbs)________________77,3 kg (170,6 lbs) +5,17%__________80,3 kg (176,66 lbs) +9,25%_________78,9 kg (173,58 lbs) +7,34%__________________79,6 kg (175,1 lbs) +8,30%

    Lean Body Mass Acquisition (LBM): 9,043 kg (19,89 lbs)
    New Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR): 2.053 Kcal
    Complete Cycle Log (post # 393): ANAVAR Cycle (for those interested)


    BLOOD WORK, URINE, FAECES & SPERM ANALYSES:
    __________________________________________________18__________36__________51__________56__________98 (4W PCT)_____122 (8W PCT)

    BLOOD
    ERYTHROCYTES: 5,18 mil/mmc [4 - 5,5]__________________________________________________ ___5,2_________5,34
    LEUCOCYTES: 7,3 mila/mmc [4 - 9]__________________________________________________ _______8,6_________7,5
    - NE: 4,1 / 55,8 % [2 - 6 / 37 - 80]__________________________________________________ __________________4,1 / 54,8
    - LY: 2,4 / 33 % [0,6 - 36 / 10 - 50]__________________________________________________ _________________2,7 / 35,6
    - MO: 0,6 / 8,6 % [0 - 0,9 / 0 - 12]__________________________________________________ __________________0,5 / 7,1
    - EO: 0,2 / 2,1 % [0 - 7 / 0 - 7]__________________________________________________ _____________________0,1 / 1,8
    - BA: 0 / 0,5 % [0 - 0,2 / 0 - 2,5]__________________________________________________ ____________________0,1 / 0,7
    HEMOGLOBIN: 14,9 gr/dl [14 - 18]__________________________________________________ ________13,6________15,6
    HEMATOCRIT: 45,3 % [42 - 52]__________________________________________________ __________44,1________45,5
    MCV: 87,5 femtol [82 - 98]__________________________________________________ ______________84,8________85,2
    MCH: 28,8 picogr. [27 - 31]__________________________________________________ _____________26,2________29,2
    MCHC: 32,9 gr/dl [32 - 36]__________________________________________________ ______________30,8________34,3
    RDW: 13,5 % [11,6 - 16]__________________________________________________ ___________________________14
    GRAN-NEUTROPHILS: 55,8 % [37 - 80]__________________________________________________ ____60,7________54,8
    GRAN-EOSINOPHILS: 2,1 % [0 - 7]__________________________________________________ ________1,9_________1,8
    GRAN-BASOPHILS: 0,5 % [0 - 2,5]__________________________________________________ ________0,7_________0,7
    LYMPHOCYTES: 33,0 % [10 - 50]__________________________________________________ ________28,4________35,6
    MONOCYTES: 8,6 % [0 - 12]__________________________________________________ _____________8,3_________7,1
    PLATELETS: 163000 /mmc [150000 - 400000]________________________________________________336000_____164000
    PCT: 0,12 % [0,1 - 1]__________________________________________________ ______________________________0,12
    MPV: 7,3 fl [5 - 10]__________________________________________________ ________________________________7,2
    PDW: 17,4 % [12 - 18]__________________________________________________ _____________________________18,5

    HEART, KIDNEYS, LIVER, PANCREAS & PROSTATE
    GLYCEMIA (basal): 90 mg/dl [70 - 110]__________________________________________________ ________________98
    QUICK PROTHROMBIN TIME: 13,7 s_________________________________________________ ____________________13,1
    PROTHROMBIN ACTIVITY: 69,6 % [70- 130]__________________________________________________ ___________86
    INR: 1,18__________________________________________________ ________________________________________1,09
    APTT: 27,5 s_________________________________________________ ______________________________________27,8
    FIBRINOGEN: 185 mg/dl [180 - 350]__________________________________________________ __________________184,7
    HOMOCYSTEINE: 10 mcmoli/l [6 - 15]__________________________________________________ _________________9,5
    MYOGLOBIN: 26 ng/ml [10 - 46]__________________________________________________ ______________________38
    AZOTEMIA: 49 mg/dl [15 - 40]________________________62__________57_______________________56_________53______________52,8
    CREATININE: 1,2 mg/dl [0,8 - 1,3]_____________________1,2__________1,2______________________1,3_________1,3
    HYPERURICEMIA: 5,9 mg/dl [3,5 - 7,2]__________________________________________________ ________________5,5
    CHOLESTEROL TTL: 168 mg/dl [140 - 220]______________179_________205______________________232________194
    CHOLESTEROL VLDL: 33 mg/dl [20 - 40]__________________________________________________ _______________30
    CHOLESTEROL LDL: 105 mg/dl [<150]___________________157_________199_____________________202_________129_____________101
    CHOLESTEROL HDL: 41 mg/dl [>40]_ ___________________13__________11_______________________13__________45
    INDEX RISK HDL: 4,1 [till 5]___________________________13,76_______19,2_____________________17,8________4,3
    APO A1: 185 mg/dl [115 - 220]__________________________________________________ ______________________190
    APO B: 77 mg/dl [55 - 125]__________________________________________________ __________________________79
    RATIO B/A1 APO: 0,41 [0,35 - 1]__________________________________________________ _____________________0,41
    TRIGLYCERIDES: 95 mg/dl [<150]__________________________________________________ _____________________104
    GAMMA (YGT): 28 u/ltr [15 - 85]______________________29__________28_______________________26__________40
    ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE: 71 u/ltr [50 - 136]__________________________________________________ ___________72
    BILIRUBIN TTL: 1,98 mg/dl [0,2 - 1]___________________0,83_________0,78_________________________________0,93____________1,54
    BILIRUBIN DIRECT: 0,22 mg/dl [0,05 - 0,3]______________0,1__________0,1__________________________________0,1_____________0,53
    BILIRUBIN INDIRECT: 1,76 mg/dl [till 0,7]________________0,73________0,68_________________________________0,83____________1,01
    TRANSAMINASE GOT/AST: 21 u/ltr [15 - 37]_____________55__________50_______________________46_________28______________58
    TRANSAMINASE GPT/ALT: 41 u/ltr [30 - 65]_____________86__________66_______________________95__________71______________77
    FERRITIN: 124,5 ng/ml [24 - 336]__________________________________________________ ____________________124
    LIPASE: 236 u/ltr [114 - 284]__________________________________________________ ________________________298____________216
    AMYLASE: 62 u/ltr [25 - 115]_________________________55__________63_______________________64__________75_____________76
    LDH: 160 u/ltr [100 - 190]__________________________________________________ __________________________155
    CPK MB: 200 u/ltr [35 - 232]__________________________________________________ ________________________230
    CK NAK: 150 u/l [till 167]__________________________________________________ ___________________________165
    PROTIDES TTL: 7,4 gr/dl [6,4 - 8,2]__________________________________________________ _______7,8_________7,7
    ALBUMIN: 59,1 % [51 - 63,3]__________________________________________________ ____________60,3________63,1
    ALFA 1: 2,9 % [2,2 - 4,3]__________________________________________________ _______________2,4_________2,3
    ALFA 2: 10,1 % [9,5 - 14]__________________________________________________ ______________12,6________8,5
    BETA: 9,6 % [10 - 14,5]__________________________________________________ _______________11,3_________9,3
    GAMMA: 18,3 % [12 - 20]__________________________________________________ _______________13,4________16,8
    A/G RATIO: 1,44 [1 - 1,7]__________________________________________________ _______________1,52________1,71
    PSA: 0,64 ng/ml [till 4]__________________________________________________ _________________0,39_________0,58
    PSA FREE: 0,22__________________________________________________ ____________________________________0,24
    PSA FREE/TTL: 0,40 [>0,15]__________________________________________________ _________________________0,41
    PAP: 4,8 u/ltr [<=4,7]_ __________________________________________________ _____________________________5,1
    IGG: 1447 mg/dl [681 - 1648]__________________________________________________ ________________________1455
    IGA: 304 mg/dl [87 - 474]__________________________________________________ ___________________________321
    IGD: 50 u/ml [till 100]__________________________________________________ _______________________________57
    IGM: 99 mg/dl [48 - 312]__________________________________________________ ____________________________97
    IGE (prist): 37,47 iu/ml [1,31 - 165,3]__________________________________________________ _________________39,77

    INFECTIVITY & ALLERGOLOGY
    HIV-Ab (1+2): 0,16 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]__________________________________________________ __________0,18 non-react
    HCV-Ab: 0,13 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]__________________________________________________ _______________0,12 non-react
    HBS-Ag: 0,37 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]__________________________________________________ _______________0,39 non-react
    HAV-Ab (IgT): >85 react miu/ml [<35]__________________________________________________ _________________>85 react
    HAV-Ab (IgM): 0,08 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]__________________________________________________ __________0,07 non-react
    TAS: 110 ui/ml [0 - 166]__________________________________________________ ____________________________111
    VDRL: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ ___________________________negative
    CRP: 2 mg/dl [till 5]__________________________________________________ _________________________________2,1
    REUMA TEST: <20 iu/ml [<20]__________________________________________________ ________________________<20
    ESR: 5 mm/h [till 15]__________________________________________________ ________________________________5
    LYSOZYME: 7 picog/ml [4 - 13]__________________________________________________ _______________________7
    ACE: 9 mcg/l [6 - 12]__________________________________________________ _______________________________8,5
    RAST Egg: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Yolk: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Crayfish: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Yeast: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Pork: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Fish Mix: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Olea Europaea Pollen: 0,1 [<0,3]

    VITAMINS & ELECTROLYTES
    VITAMIN A: 779,2 mcg/l [300 - 650]__________________________________________________ _________________692,1
    VITAMIN E: 12,6 mg/ltr [5 - 20]__________________________________________________ ______________________100
    VITAMIN C: 0,9 mg/ml [0,5 - 1,5]__________________________________________________ ____________________1,2
    VITAMIN B12: 587 pg/ml [179 - 1162]__________________________________________________ _________________787
    VITAMIN D3: 60 ng/ml [10 - 45]__________________________________________________ _____________________40
    VITAMIN H: 82 ng/ml [70 - 100]__________________________________________________ _____________________90
    VITAMIN K: 22 mcg/ml [15 - 30]__________________________________________________ _____________________26
    VITAMIN PP: 0,7 mg/ml [0,5 - 0,8]__________________________________________________ ___________________0,7
    SODIUM: 142 meq/l [136 - 145]__________________________________________________ ______________________139
    POTASSIUM: 4,0 meq/l [3,5 - 5,1]__________________________________________________ ____________________4,4
    CALCIUM: 9,0 mg/dl [8,5 - 10,1]__________________________________________________ ______________________9,1
    MAGNESIUM: 2,0 mg/dl [1,8 - 2,4]__________________________________________________ ____________________2,2
    PHOSPHORUS: 3,7 mg/dl [2,7 - 4,5]__________________________________________________ ___________________4,3
    IRON: 148 mcg/dl [35 - 150]__________________________________________________ _________________________96
    ZINC: 103 mcg/dl [80 - 125]__________________________________________________ _________________________132
    CHLORINE: 103 meq/l [98 - 107]__________________________________________________ ______________________99
    COPPER: 88 ku/l [76 - 153]__________________________________________________ __________________________88

    HORMONAL
    GASTRIN: 31 pg/ml [28 - 125]__________________________________________________ _______________________33
    MELATONIN: 47 pg/ml [20 - 85]__________________________________________________ ______________________50
    C-PEPTIDE: 1,2 ng/ml [0,78 – 1,89]__________________________________________________ ___________________1,25
    INSULIN : 3,34 micru/ml [1,9 - 23]______________________3,6_________3,04_________________________________2,39
    GLUCAGON: 55 pg/ml [40 - 130]__________________________________________________ _____________________55
    ACTH: 20 pg/dl [till 50]__________________________________________________ _____________________________21
    CORTISOL: 12,53 mg/dl [8,7 - 22,4]__________________________________________________ ______13,64_______18,7
    FT3: 3,48 pg/ml [2,2 - 4,7]__________________________________________________ ______________4,82_______3,13
    FT4: 1,26 ng/dl [0,8 - 2]__________________________________________________ ________________1,29_______1,16
    MSH: 9,7 pmol/l [7,9 - 14,4]__________________________________________________ _________________________9,8
    HTG: 7,65 ng/ml [0 - 35]______ __________________________________________________ _____________________6,61
    TBG: 18 mcg/ml [15 - 32]__________________________________________________ ___________________________18,6
    TSH: 2,92 micru/ml [0,34 - 5,6]__________________________________________________ __________3,88________3,92
    FSH: 4,16 miu/ml [1,27 - 19,26]_______________________2,09________2,56_____________________1,42________3,9
    LH: 3,80 miu/ml [1,24 - 8,62]_________________________2,19________2,58_____________________2,61________4,84
    PREGNENOLONE: 155 ng/ml [10 - 230]__________________________________________________ ________________160
    ANDROSTENEDIONE: 1,77 ng/ml [0,3 - 3,1]__________________________________________________ ____________1,79
    ALDOSTERONE: 180 pg/ml [10 - 160]__________________________________________________ _________________184
    DHEA: 7,3 ng/ml [2,5 - 9,5]__________________________________________________ _________________________6,2
    DHEAS: 191 mcg/dl [106 - 464]_______________________209_________209,6________________________________221,6
    DHT: 71 ng/ml [31 - 146]__________________________________________________ ___________________________70
    TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,86 ng/ml [1,75 - 7,81]___________0,72________0,61_________________________________6,29
    TESTOSTERONE FREE: 11,7 pg/ml [8 - 47]______________5,2_________4,8_______________________9,6_________13,5
    SHBG: 38 pg/ml [13 - 71]____________________________10__________<0,1_________________________________36
    ESTRONE: 47 pg/ml [40 - 60]__________________________________________________ ________________________45
    ESTRADIOL 17-BETA: 36 pg/ml [<20 - 47]__________________________________________________ __9__________30
    ESTRIOL: 5,7 pg/ml [4,7 - 7,1]__________________________________________________ _______________________5,5
    PROGESTERONE: 0,93 ng/ml [0,14 - 2,06]__________________________________________________ _____________0,87
    PRL: 9,88 ng/ml [2,64 - 13,13]__________________________________________________ ___________12,78______13,05
    IGF-1: 190 ng/ml [96 - 424]__________________________184_________163__________________________________392
    HGH: 0,2 ng/ml [0 - 10]______ ______________________<0,1________<0,1__________________________________0,3

    URINE
    COLOUR: straw-coloured____________________________straw-coloured____________________________________straw-coloured
    APPEARANCE: lightly opalescent [limpid]_______________lightly opalescent__________________________________limpid
    PH REACTION: 5,5 [5 - 6,5]___________________________6________________________________________________5,5
    SPECIFIC WEIGHT: 1020 [1015 - 1028]_________________1016_____________________________________________1018
    PROTEINS: none mg/dl [0 - 10]________________________none_____________________________________________none
    HEMOGLOBIN: none [none]___________________________present +_________________________________________none
    GLUCOSE: none gr/litre [0 - 0,2]_______________________none_____________________________________________none
    KETONE BODIES: none [none]_________________________none_____________________________________________none
    UROBILINOGEN: none mg/dl [0 - 0,2]___________________none_____________________________________________none
    BILIARY PIGMENTS: none [none]______________________none_____________________________________________none
    NITRITE: none [none]_______________________________none_____________________________________________none

    FAECES
    SHAPE: solid [homogeneous]__________________________________________________ ________________________caprina
    CONSISTENCY: compost [poltacea]__________________________________________________ __________________solid
    COLOUR: brown [brown]__________________________________________________ ____________________________brown
    ODOUR: sui generis [sui generis]__________________________________________________ _____________________sui generis
    MUCUS: absent [absent]__________________________________________________ ___________________________absent
    BLOOD: absent [absent]__________________________________________________ ____________________________absent
    PH REACTION: 7__________________________________________________ ___________________________________7,4
    PARASITOLOGICAL: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ _______________negative
    SALMONELLA: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ ___________________negative
    HELICOBACTER PYLORI: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ ___________negative
    GIARDIASIS: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ ____________________negative

    SPERM
    VOLUME: 2,8 ml [>=2]__ __________________________________________________ ____2,5____________________________________2,6
    PH: 8,1 [7,2 - 8]__________________________________________________ __________7,2_____________________________________7,3
    APPEARANCE: own__________________________________________________ _________own____________________________________own
    VISCOSITY: increased + [within limits]__________________________________________within limits_____________________________within limits
    FLUIDIFICATION 45': finely irregular [physiologic]_________________________________physiologic______________________________physiologic
    SPERMATOZOON CONCENTRATION: 89.000.000 /ml [>=20.000.000]_ _________________42.000.000______________________________85.000.000
    EJACULATE SPERMATOZOON COUNT: 249.200.000 [>=40.000.000] __________________105.000.000_____________________________228.000.000
    2ND HOUR MOTILITY: 60 % [>=50]______________________________________________45______________________________________57
    TYPICAL MORPHOLOGIC SPERMATOZOON: 30 % [>=35]_____________________________28______________________________________35
    ATYPICAL MORPHOLOGIC SPERMATOZOON: 70 %__________________________________72______________________________________71
    LEUCOCYTE: 300.000 /ml [<=1.000.000]_________________________________________500.000_________________________________335.000
    ERYTHROCYTE: absent [absent/rare]____________________________________________absent__________________________________absent
    GERMINAL CELLS: rare [absent/rare]____________________________________________present_________________________________absent
    EPITHELIAL CELLS: rare [absent/rare]___________________________________________absent__________________________________absent
    SPERMAGGLUTINATION ZONES: rare [absent/rare]_________________________________absent__________________________________absent





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    BJJ, all I can say is thank you for your dedication to this thread. I have read this log from start to finish, and I know that with the amount of information discussed here I will definitely go back through it to glean even more information. I'll also be considering your advice to stack Mesterolone with the Var. Im curious to know whether you think taking some kind of natural test booster would be beneficial at all during a Var cycle to help maintain any sort of decent test levels, or would it be wasted $$$ due to the immense suppression of Test by the Var?

    Thanks again for your time.

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    Your second assumption is the one correct, IMHO.

    Good Luck

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    So did the extra mass help or hurt your bjj game?

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    I was helped with this cycle but from the second one on, using testosterone , I had problems to roll and keep endurance.
    This is the reason why I have added rHuEPO with great results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJJ View Post
    Your second assumption is the one correct, IMHO.

    Good Luck
    Haha. I've got a long way to go before I start any sort of cycle. Right now Im just dialing in my diet and getting my BF down to around 15%. After that...

    Can you tell me what rHuEPO is?

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    Thanks. I'll check it out.

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    Thanks for you answer. I ended up getting the proviron after all.
    I copied your cycle (almost) and did it last fall for 6 weeks. I gained over 13lbs of lean muscle and didnt add on any fat. This has helped me at my sport. Right now its been like 4 months since I finished taking clomid and nolvadex , and all my levels have gone back to normal. Being "unbiased" I can say that I still have 70% of the strength I gained, but about 4 lbs of lean muscle mass have hit the road. Well that usually happens anyways when the season starts in the late fall, since its hard to play competitive bball and hold your weight high and steady. Currently I am 6 foot 6 inches and 240lbs. People noticed the gain last fall, but it wasnt amazing enough for people to start up some rumours. People did notice my hard work though, since I did hit the weight room pretty hard with my trainer and teammates.....
    So my questions to you are following:
    1. For the rest of the season I was thinking about taking some anavar and proviron (60mg ed anavar, and 100mg proviron ed) for 4 to 6 weeks. I dont want the gains to become too visual, but I still was wandering if you would recommend or object of me taking a mild dose of test with this. (since I have 2hours of bball every day = a lot of cardio ;( )
    2. The season is over in the spring, so I was wandering what you would recommend me taking for the remainder, if any. (just to stay on my toes, or taking off from them)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruvius View Post
    Thanks for you answer. I ended up getting the proviron after all.
    I copied your cycle (almost) and did it last fall for 6 weeks. I gained over 13lbs of lean muscle and didnt add on any fat. This has helped me at my sport. Right now its been like 4 months since I finished taking clomid and nolvadex , and all my levels have gone back to normal. Being "unbiased" I can say that I still have 70% of the strength I gained, but about 4 lbs of lean muscle mass have hit the road. Well that usually happens anyways when the season starts in the late fall, since its hard to play competitive bball and hold your weight high and steady. Currently I am 6 foot 6 inches and 240lbs. People noticed the gain last fall, but it wasnt amazing enough for people to start up some rumours. People did notice my hard work though, since I did hit the weight room pretty hard with my trainer and teammates.....
    So my questions to you are following:
    1. For the rest of the season I was thinking about taking some anavar and proviron (60mg ed anavar, and 100mg proviron ed) for 4 to 6 weeks. I dont want the gains to become too visual, but I still was wandering if you would recommend or object of me taking a mild dose of test with this. (since I have 2hours of bball every day = a lot of cardio ;( )
    2. The season is over in the spring, so I was wandering what you would recommend me taking for the remainder, if any. (just to stay on my toes, or taking off from them)?
    I would definitely add test to your next cycle and I would run it for 6 weeks, 4 are too less even if using a short ester.
    After that, run your PCT and rest from AAS.

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    Thank you for your thought.

    So could the following dosage work: 60mg anavar ed - 100mg proviron ed - Testosterone Propionate /Suspension 250mg a week. (or Testosterone Enanthate /Cypionate /Decanoate/Undecanoate)

    That is: What test would you recommend, in my case, and at what dosage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruvius View Post
    Thank you for your thought.

    So could the following dosage work: 60mg anavar ed - 100mg proviron ed - Testosterone Propionate /Suspension 250mg a week. (or Testosterone Enanthate /Cypionate /Decanoate/Undecanoate)

    That is: What test would you recommend, in my case, and at what dosage?
    I would bump the anavar to 70 mg ed, ok for mesterolone.
    Regarding test, I would avoid short esters otherwise you had to be compelled to shoot ed or oed; not to mention suspension...
    I would opt for test enanthate @ 250 mg ew (2 shots).

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    Could you describe the strength increases and muscle gain on your Anavar cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacu View Post
    Could you describe the strength increases and muscle gain on your Anavar cycle?
    It is all written in post n.2.
    What do you need to know exactly?

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    What is post n.2.?

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    Nice job dude and good records. Keep up the good work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacu View Post
    What is post n.2.?
    CYCLE:
    BULKING (23/09/2009 - 17/11/2009)
    Week 1-8 Oxandrolone [UG] 60 mg ed (ttl 2.940 mg) (Breakfast/Lunch)
    Week 4-7 Mesterolone [PG] 50 mg ed (ttl 1.400 mg) (Breakfast/Dinner)
    PCT (18/11/2009 - 28/12/2009)
    Week 9-10 Clomiphene Citrate [PG] 50/50 mg ed (ttl 700 mg) (Breakfast)
    Week 9-11 Tamoxifen Citrate [PG] 20/20/20 mg ed (ttl 420 mg) (Breakfast)
    Week 11-12 Clenbuterol Hydrochloride [PG] 60/60/80/80/100/100/100/100/60/60 mcg ed (ttl 800 mcg) (Breakfast)
    Week 12-13 Glutathione [PG] 600 mg ed (ttl 6.000 mg) (Morning)

    IUPAC:
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=439055

    DIET:
    BMR: 1.954 Kcal
    Daily Diet (3.159 Kcal): 300 g of Protides, 55 g of Lipides, 366 g of Glucides
    Protides/Glucides Relation: 0,81
    Supplements: Multi Vitamins/Minerals, Vitamin C/Ester, EFA complex, ALA, LIV.52, CLA, ZMA, Chromium Picolinate, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Coenzyme Q10, Glutamine, BCAA, Glucosamine, Chondroitin Sulfate, Glycine, l-Arginine, Alpha-Ketoisocaproic Acid Calcium.

    STRENGTH (8 reps):__________________________________________Da y 56
    Squat (legs) 100 kg (220 lbs)_______________________________________130 kg (286 lbs) +30%
    One Arm Dumbbell Row (back) 30 kg (66 lbs)___________________________44 kg (96,8 lbs) +46,66%
    Bench Press with Dumbbells (chest) 30 kg (66 lbs) each_________________40 kg (88 lbs) +33,33%
    Military Press with Dumbbells (shoulders) 24 kg (52,8 lbs) each____________34 kg (74,8 lbs) +41,66%
    Dumbbells Curls (biceps - seated) 24 kg (52,8 lbs) each_________________30 kg (66 lbs) +25%
    Dumbbells Curls (triceps - lying down) 18 kg (39,6 lbs) each______________24 kg (52,8 lbs) +33,33%

    Strength Acquisition: 35% estimate
    Formula: (current-previous)/previous*100 = (+) increase% or (-) decrease%

    STATS:__________________________________________Day 16_____________________________Day 35_____________________________Day 56______________________________________Day 62 (1W PCT)
    36 years old, 187 cm (6'2" ft)
    Body Weight: 87,5 kg (192,5 lbs)_________________________94,5 kg (207,9 lbs) +8%_____________98,9 kg (217,6 lbs) +13,02%_________96,5 kg (212,3 lbs) +10,28%__________________94,7 kg (208,3 lbs) +8,23%
    Body Fat: 12,9%______________________________________14% +8,52%_______________________14,6% +13,17%____________________14% +8,52%________________________________12,3% -3,14%
    Body Water: 63,2%____________________________________63,6% +0,63%_____________________63,8% +0,94%_____________________64% +1,26%
    Estimated Muscle Mass: 73,5 kg (161,7 lbs)________________77,3 kg (170,6 lbs) +5,17%__________80,3 kg (176,66 lbs) +9,25%_________78,9 kg (173,58 lbs) +7,34%__________________79,6 kg (175,1 lbs) +8,30%

    Lean Body Mass Acquisition (LBM): 9,043 kg (19,89 lbs)
    New Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR): 2.053 Kcal
    Complete Cycle Log: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...97#post5002497


    BLOOD WORK, URINE, FAECES & SPERM ANALYSES:
    __________________________________________________18__________36__________51__________56__________98 (4W PCT)_____122 (8W PCT)

    BLOOD
    ERYTHROCYTES: 5,18 mil/mmc [4 - 5,5]__________________________________________________ ___5,2_________5,34
    LEUCOCYTES: 7,3 mila/mmc [4 - 9]__________________________________________________ _______8,6_________7,5
    - NE: 4,1 / 55,8 % [2 - 6 / 37 - 80]__________________________________________________ __________________4,1 / 54,8
    - LY: 2,4 / 33 % [0,6 - 36 / 10 - 50]__________________________________________________ _________________2,7 / 35,6
    - MO: 0,6 / 8,6 % [0 - 0,9 / 0 - 12]__________________________________________________ __________________0,5 / 7,1
    - EO: 0,2 / 2,1 % [0 - 7 / 0 - 7]__________________________________________________ _____________________0,1 / 1,8
    - BA: 0 / 0,5 % [0 - 0,2 / 0 - 2,5]__________________________________________________ ____________________0,1 / 0,7
    HEMOGLOBIN: 14,9 gr/dl [14 - 18]__________________________________________________ ________13,6________15,6
    HEMATOCRIT: 45,3 % [42 - 52]__________________________________________________ __________44,1________45,5
    MCV: 87,5 femtol [82 - 98]__________________________________________________ ______________84,8________85,2
    MCH: 28,8 picogr. [27 - 31]__________________________________________________ _____________26,2________29,2
    MCHC: 32,9 gr/dl [32 - 36]__________________________________________________ ______________30,8________34,3
    RDW: 13,5 % [11,6 - 16]__________________________________________________ ___________________________14
    GRAN-NEUTROPHILS: 55,8 % [37 - 80]__________________________________________________ ____60,7________54,8
    GRAN-EOSINOPHILS: 2,1 % [0 - 7]__________________________________________________ ________1,9_________1,8
    GRAN-BASOPHILS: 0,5 % [0 - 2,5]__________________________________________________ ________0,7_________0,7
    LYMPHOCYTES: 33,0 % [10 - 50]__________________________________________________ ________28,4________35,6
    MONOCYTES: 8,6 % [0 - 12]__________________________________________________ _____________8,3_________7,1
    PLATELETS: 163000 /mmc [150000 - 400000]________________________________________________336000_____164000
    PCT: 0,12 % [0,1 - 1]__________________________________________________ ______________________________0,12
    MPV: 7,3 fl [5 - 10]__________________________________________________ ________________________________7,2
    PDW: 17,4 % [12 - 18]__________________________________________________ _____________________________18,5

    HEART, KIDNEYS, LIVER, PANCREAS & PROSTATE
    GLYCEMIA (basal): 90 mg/dl [70 - 110]__________________________________________________ ________________98
    QUICK PROTHROMBIN TIME: 13,7 s_________________________________________________ ____________________13,1
    PROTHROMBIN ACTIVITY: 69,6 % [70- 130]__________________________________________________ ___________86
    INR: 1,18__________________________________________________ ________________________________________1,09
    APTT: 27,5 s_________________________________________________ ______________________________________27,8
    FIBRINOGEN: 185 mg/dl [180 - 350]__________________________________________________ __________________184,7
    HOMOCYSTEINE: 10 mcmoli/l [6 - 15]__________________________________________________ _________________9,5
    MYOGLOBIN: 26 ng/ml [10 - 46]__________________________________________________ ______________________38
    AZOTEMIA: 49 mg/dl [15 - 40]________________________62__________57_______________________56_________53______________52,8
    CREATININE: 1,2 mg/dl [0,8 - 1,3]_____________________1,2__________1,2______________________1,3_________1,3
    HYPERURICEMIA: 5,9 mg/dl [3,5 - 7,2]__________________________________________________ ________________5,5
    CHOLESTEROL TTL: 168 mg/dl [140 - 220]______________179_________205______________________232________194
    CHOLESTEROL VLDL: 33 mg/dl [20 - 40]__________________________________________________ _______________30
    CHOLESTEROL LDL: 105 mg/dl [<150]___________________157_________199_____________________202_________129_____________101
    CHOLESTEROL HDL: 41 mg/dl [>40]_ ___________________13__________11_______________________13__________45
    INDEX RISK HDL: 4,1 [till 5]___________________________13,76_______19,2_____________________17,8________4,3
    APO A1: 185 mg/dl [115 - 220]__________________________________________________ ______________________190
    APO B: 77 mg/dl [55 - 125]__________________________________________________ __________________________79
    RATIO B/A1 APO: 0,41 [0,35 - 1]__________________________________________________ _____________________0,41
    TRIGLYCERIDES: 95 mg/dl [<150]__________________________________________________ _____________________104
    GAMMA (YGT): 28 u/ltr [15 - 85]______________________29__________28_______________________26__________40
    ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE: 71 u/ltr [50 - 136]__________________________________________________ ___________72
    BILIRUBIN TTL: 1,98 mg/dl [0,2 - 1]___________________0,83_________0,78_________________________________0,93____________1,54
    BILIRUBIN DIRECT: 0,22 mg/dl [0,05 - 0,3]______________0,1__________0,1__________________________________0,1_____________0,53
    BILIRUBIN INDIRECT: 1,76 mg/dl [till 0,7]________________0,73________0,68_________________________________0,83____________1,01
    TRANSAMINASE GOT/AST: 21 u/ltr [15 - 37]_____________55__________50_______________________46_________28______________58
    TRANSAMINASE GPT/ALT: 41 u/ltr [30 - 65]_____________86__________66_______________________95__________71______________77
    FERRITIN: 124,5 ng/ml [24 - 336]__________________________________________________ ____________________124
    LIPASE: 236 u/ltr [114 - 284]__________________________________________________ ________________________298____________216
    AMYLASE: 62 u/ltr [25 - 115]_________________________55__________63_______________________64__________75_____________76
    LDH: 160 u/ltr [100 - 190]__________________________________________________ __________________________155
    CPK MB: 200 u/ltr [35 - 232]__________________________________________________ ________________________230
    CK NAK: 150 u/l [till 167]__________________________________________________ ___________________________165
    PROTIDES TTL: 7,4 gr/dl [6,4 - 8,2]__________________________________________________ _______7,8_________7,7
    ALBUMIN: 59,1 % [51 - 63,3]__________________________________________________ ____________60,3________63,1
    ALFA 1: 2,9 % [2,2 - 4,3]__________________________________________________ _______________2,4_________2,3
    ALFA 2: 10,1 % [9,5 - 14]__________________________________________________ ______________12,6________8,5
    BETA: 9,6 % [10 - 14,5]__________________________________________________ _______________11,3_________9,3
    GAMMA: 18,3 % [12 - 20]__________________________________________________ _______________13,4________16,8
    A/G RATIO: 1,44 [1 - 1,7]__________________________________________________ _______________1,52________1,71
    PSA: 0,64 ng/ml [till 4]__________________________________________________ _________________0,39_________0,58
    PSA FREE: 0,22__________________________________________________ ____________________________________0,24
    PSA FREE/TTL: 0,40 [>0,15]__________________________________________________ _________________________0,41
    PAP: 4,8 u/ltr [<=4,7]_ __________________________________________________ _____________________________5,1
    IGG: 1447 mg/dl [681 - 1648]__________________________________________________ ________________________1455
    IGA: 304 mg/dl [87 - 474]__________________________________________________ ___________________________321
    IGD: 50 u/ml [till 100]__________________________________________________ _______________________________57
    IGM: 99 mg/dl [48 - 312]__________________________________________________ ____________________________97
    IGE (prist): 37,47 iu/ml [1,31 - 165,3]__________________________________________________ _________________39,77

    INFECTIVITY & ALLERGOLOGY
    HIV-Ab (1+2): 0,16 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]__________________________________________________ __________0,18 non-react
    HCV-Ab: 0,13 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]__________________________________________________ _______________0,12 non-react
    HBS-Ag: 0,37 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]__________________________________________________ _______________0,39 non-react
    HAV-Ab (IgT): >85 react miu/ml [<35]__________________________________________________ _________________>85 react
    HAV-Ab (IgM): 0,08 non-react u/cutoff [<0,9]__________________________________________________ __________0,07 non-react
    TAS: 110 ui/ml [0 - 166]__________________________________________________ ____________________________111
    VDRL: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ ___________________________negative
    CRP: 2 mg/dl [till 5]__________________________________________________ _________________________________2,1
    REUMA TEST: <20 iu/ml [<20]__________________________________________________ ________________________<20
    ESR: 5 mm/h [till 15]__________________________________________________ ________________________________5
    LYSOZYME: 7 picog/ml [4 - 13]__________________________________________________ _______________________7
    ACE: 9 mcg/l [6 - 12]__________________________________________________ _______________________________8,5
    RAST Egg: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Yolk: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Crayfish: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Yeast: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Pork: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Fish Mix: 0,1 [<0,3]
    RAST Olea Europaea Pollen: 0,1 [<0,3]

    VITAMINS & ELECTROLYTES
    VITAMIN A: 779,2 mcg/l [300 - 650]__________________________________________________ _________________692,1
    VITAMIN E: 12,6 mg/ltr [5 - 20]__________________________________________________ ______________________100
    VITAMIN C: 0,9 mg/ml [0,5 - 1,5]__________________________________________________ ____________________1,2
    VITAMIN B12: 587 pg/ml [179 - 1162]__________________________________________________ _________________787
    VITAMIN D3: 60 ng/ml [10 - 45]__________________________________________________ _____________________40
    VITAMIN H: 82 ng/ml [70 - 100]__________________________________________________ _____________________90
    VITAMIN K: 22 mcg/ml [15 - 30]__________________________________________________ _____________________26
    VITAMIN PP: 0,7 mg/ml [0,5 - 0,8]__________________________________________________ ___________________0,7
    SODIUM: 142 meq/l [136 - 145]__________________________________________________ ______________________139
    POTASSIUM: 4,0 meq/l [3,5 - 5,1]__________________________________________________ ____________________4,4
    CALCIUM: 9,0 mg/dl [8,5 - 10,1]__________________________________________________ ______________________9,1
    MAGNESIUM: 2,0 mg/dl [1,8 - 2,4]__________________________________________________ ____________________2,2
    PHOSPHORUS: 3,7 mg/dl [2,7 - 4,5]__________________________________________________ ___________________4,3
    IRON: 148 mcg/dl [35 - 150]__________________________________________________ _________________________96
    ZINC: 103 mcg/dl [80 - 125]__________________________________________________ _________________________132
    CHLORINE: 103 meq/l [98 - 107]__________________________________________________ ______________________99
    COPPER: 88 ku/l [76 - 153]__________________________________________________ __________________________88

    HORMONAL
    GASTRIN: 31 pg/ml [28 - 125]__________________________________________________ _______________________33
    MELATONIN: 47 pg/ml [20 - 85]__________________________________________________ ______________________50
    C-PEPTIDE: 1,2 ng/ml [0,78 – 1,89]__________________________________________________ ___________________1,25
    INSULIN : 3,34 micru/ml [1,9 - 23]______________________3,6_________3,04_________________________________2,39
    GLUCAGON: 55 pg/ml [40 - 130]__________________________________________________ _____________________55
    ACTH: 20 pg/dl [till 50]__________________________________________________ _____________________________21
    CORTISOL: 12,53 mg/dl [8,7 - 22,4]__________________________________________________ ______13,64_______18,7
    FT3: 3,48 pg/ml [2,2 - 4,7]__________________________________________________ ______________4,82_______3,13
    FT4: 1,26 ng/dl [0,8 - 2]__________________________________________________ ________________1,29_______1,16
    MSH: 9,7 pmol/l [7,9 - 14,4]__________________________________________________ _________________________9,8
    HTG: 7,65 ng/ml [0 - 35]______ __________________________________________________ _____________________6,61
    TBG: 18 mcg/ml [15 - 32]__________________________________________________ ___________________________18,6
    TSH: 2,92 micru/ml [0,34 - 5,6]__________________________________________________ __________3,88________3,92
    FSH: 4,16 miu/ml [1,27 - 19,26]_______________________2,09________2,56_____________________1,42________3,9
    LH: 3,80 miu/ml [1,24 - 8,62]_________________________2,19________2,58_____________________2,61________4,84
    PREGNENOLONE: 155 ng/ml [10 - 230]__________________________________________________ ________________160
    ANDROSTENEDIONE: 1,77 ng/ml [0,3 - 3,1]__________________________________________________ ____________1,79
    ALDOSTERONE: 180 pg/ml [10 - 160]__________________________________________________ _________________184
    DHEA: 7,3 ng/ml [2,5 - 9,5]__________________________________________________ _________________________6,2
    DHEAS: 191 mcg/dl [106 - 464]_______________________209_________209,6________________________________221,6
    DHT: 71 ng/ml [31 - 146]__________________________________________________ ___________________________70
    TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,86 ng/ml [1,75 - 7,81]___________0,72________0,61_________________________________6,29
    TESTOSTERONE FREE: 11,7 pg/ml [8 - 47]______________5,2_________4,8_______________________9,6_________13,5
    SHBG: 38 pg/ml [13 - 71]____________________________10__________<0,1_________________________________36
    ESTRONE: 47 pg/ml [40 - 60]__________________________________________________ ________________________45
    ESTRADIOL 17-BETA: 36 pg/ml [<20 - 47]__________________________________________________ __9__________30
    ESTRIOL: 5,7 pg/ml [4,7 - 7,1]__________________________________________________ _______________________5,5
    PROGESTERONE: 0,93 ng/ml [0,14 - 2,06]__________________________________________________ _____________0,87
    PRL: 9,88 ng/ml [2,64 - 13,13]__________________________________________________ ___________12,78______13,05
    IGF-1: 190 ng/ml [96 - 424]__________________________184_________163__________________________________392
    HGH: 0,2 ng/ml [0 - 10]______ ______________________<0,1________<0,1__________________________________0,3

    URINE
    COLOUR: straw-coloured____________________________straw-coloured____________________________________straw-coloured
    APPEARANCE: lightly opalescent [limpid]_______________lightly opalescent__________________________________limpid
    PH REACTION: 5,5 [5 - 6,5]___________________________6________________________________________________5,5
    SPECIFIC WEIGHT: 1020 [1015 - 1028]_________________1016_____________________________________________1018
    PROTEINS: none mg/dl [0 - 10]________________________none_____________________________________________none
    HEMOGLOBIN: none [none]___________________________present +_________________________________________none
    GLUCOSE: none gr/litre [0 - 0,2]_______________________none_____________________________________________none
    KETONE BODIES: none [none]_________________________none_____________________________________________none
    UROBILINOGEN: none mg/dl [0 - 0,2]___________________none_____________________________________________none
    BILIARY PIGMENTS: none [none]______________________none_____________________________________________none
    NITRITE: none [none]_______________________________none_____________________________________________none

    FAECES
    SHAPE: solid [homogeneous]__________________________________________________ ________________________caprina
    CONSISTENCY: compost [poltacea]__________________________________________________ __________________solid
    COLOUR: brown [brown]__________________________________________________ ____________________________brown
    ODOUR: sui generis [sui generis]__________________________________________________ _____________________sui generis
    MUCUS: absent [absent]__________________________________________________ ___________________________absent
    BLOOD: absent [absent]__________________________________________________ ____________________________absent
    PH REACTION: 7__________________________________________________ ___________________________________7,4
    PARASITOLOGICAL: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ _______________negative
    SALMONELLA: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ ___________________negative
    HELICOBACTER PYLORI: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ ___________negative
    GIARDIASIS: negative [negative]__________________________________________________ ____________________negative

    SPERM
    VOLUME: 2,8 ml [>=2]__ __________________________________________________ ____2,5____________________________________2,6
    PH: 8,1 [7,2 - 8]__________________________________________________ __________7,2_____________________________________7,3
    APPEARANCE: own__________________________________________________ _________own____________________________________own
    VISCOSITY: increased + [within limits]__________________________________________within limits_____________________________within limits
    FLUIDIFICATION 45': finely irregular [physiologic]_________________________________physiologic______________________________physiologic
    SPERMATOZOON CONCENTRATION: 89.000.000 /ml [>=20.000.000]_ _________________42.000.000______________________________85.000.000
    EJACULATE SPERMATOZOON COUNT: 249.200.000 [>=40.000.000] __________________105.000.000_____________________________228.000.000
    2ND HOUR MOTILITY: 60 % [>=50]______________________________________________45______________________________________57
    TYPICAL MORPHOLOGIC SPERMATOZOON: 30 % [>=35]_____________________________28______________________________________35
    ATYPICAL MORPHOLOGIC SPERMATOZOON: 70 %__________________________________72______________________________________71
    LEUCOCYTE: 300.000 /ml [<=1.000.000]_________________________________________500.000_________________________________335.000
    ERYTHROCYTE: absent [absent/rare]____________________________________________absent__________________________________absent
    GERMINAL CELLS: rare [absent/rare]____________________________________________present_________________________________absent
    EPITHELIAL CELLS: rare [absent/rare]___________________________________________absent__________________________________absent
    SPERMAGGLUTINATION ZONES: rare [absent/rare]_________________________________absent__________________________________absent





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    Quote Originally Posted by egbuilder View Post
    hi bjj
    would u recomend the same to me as the avatar is my pic and i'm 31 natty gains are slow i'm 5'7 160 12%bf wanna gain some lean mass with minimal sides and return to beeing natty and i've been working out all my life but just got my bulking in check!
    my only concern is returning to my normal hormonal level after pct.
    my test level is 575.5 ng/ml
    thx
    Would that be your first cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by egbuilder View Post
    yep first cycle ever no roids no pro hormones.
    and i would do
    1 to 8 50mgs anavar
    1 to 8 ? proviron
    pct 50/50/50/50/ 20/20/20/20 ?

    do not need 4 weeks pct, imho.

    assuming you know how to eat, train and rest, i would do:
    week 1-8 oxandrolone 60 mg ed
    week 1-8 mesterolone 100 mg ed
    week 9-10 clomiphene citrate 100/50 ed
    week 9-11 tamoxifen citrate 20/20/20 ed

    hcg on hand as well as exemestane or anastrozole, you never know. and in the remote case you need hcg you must have an ai with.

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    Awesome gains.

    So for HCG use you must have Arimedex?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cacu View Post
    Awesome gains.

    So for HCG use you must have Arimedex?
    You must have an AI, yes.

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    About the test: I have 250mg/mL, so should I then be taking 2 shots of that? (500mg ew total)
    (there are 10mL in the glass) (do you shoot it in the buttocks or thigh... or both?)
    About the proviron : I got masteron instead, so I guess I will be shooting everyday, consider that it is 100mg/mL? Or is it enough to shoot it every two out of three days (like: Monday morning, Tuesday evening, and then Wednesday morning again? or does that really matter, i.e. what part of the day.)

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    I meant to say Thursday morning again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruvius View Post
    About the test: I have 250mg/mL, so should I then be taking 2 shots of that? (500mg ew total) yes 2 shots ew
    (there are 10mL in the glass) (do you shoot it in the buttocks or thigh... or both?) learn to inject all over the body
    About the proviron : I got masteron instead, so I guess I will be shooting everyday, consider that it is 100mg/mL? Or is it enough to shoot it every two out of three days (like: Monday morning, Tuesday evening, and then Wednesday morning again? or does that really matter, i.e. what part of the day.) it would be best to shoot it ed but also eod is fine, up to you
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    thx...
    I´m a little over a week into the cycle now, and after shooting the test yesterday (test shoot no. 02) I have been feeling an itch all over my body. Do you have any recommendations to get rid of it? (besides stop using the test) Or might the itch subside?
    ps. I haven´t started using mesterolon. I was planning on starting that later this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruvius View Post
    thx...
    I´m a little over a week into the cycle now, and after shooting the test yesterday (test shoot no. 02) I have been feeling an itch all over my body. Do you have any recommendations to get rid of it? (besides stop using the test) Or might the itch subside?
    ps. I haven´t started using mesterolon. I was planning on starting that later this week.
    "All over your body" has to do with Oxandrolone not with Testosterone .
    Wait a few more days and it should subside but take Mesterolone ASAP.

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