ANAVAR Cycle (for those interested)

[BJJ]

I have a question....Can women take Anivar like us guys do or would it hurt them. My wife is asking the question.

"Women like Anavar because very little masculinisation in any form have been seen among woman who have used Anavar at a dose of 5 mg daily. Most women start out on 1 tablet per day and go up to three tablets daily. The dosage of 5 mg of anavar per day has worked out to be the optimum. The first signs of virilizaton could include persistent hoarseness, deepening of the women's voice, acne, decreased libido, and/or clitoral enlargement. If any of these symptoms appear, the woman should end the cycle immediately."

[BJJ]

Red ones not in range from day 0.
Green ones improved from previous values related to day 0.
__________________________________________________ _________Day 18_______________Day 36_______________Day 51_______________Day 56

BLOOD
ERYTHROCYTES: 5,18 mil/mmc [4 - 5,5]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________5,2
LEUCOCYTES: 7,3 mila/mmc [4 - 9]__________________________________________________ ______________________________________________8,6
- NE: 4,1 / 55,8 % [2 - 6 / 37 - 80]
- LY: 2,4 / 33 % [0,6 - 36 / 10 - 50]
- MO: 0,6 / 8,6 % [0 - 0,9 / 0 - 12]
- EO: 0,2 / 2,1 % [0 - 7 / 0 - 7]
- BA: 0 / 0,5 % [0 - 0,2 / 0 - 2,5]
HEMOGLOBIN: 14,9 gr/dl [14 - 18]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________13,6
HEMATOCRIT: 45,3 % [42 - 52]__________________________________________________ _________________________________________________44,1
MCV: 87,5 femtol [82 - 98]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___84,8
MCH: 28,8 picogr. [27 - 31]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___26,2
MCHC: 32,9 gr/dl [32 - 36]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___30,8
GRAN-NEUTROPHILS: 55,8 % [37 -80]__________________________________________________ ____________________________________________60,7
GRAN-EOSINOPHILS: 2,1 % [0,0 - 7]__________________________________________________ _____________________________________________1,9
GRAN-BASOPHILS: 0,5 % [0,0 - 2,5]__________________________________________________ ______________________________________________0,7
LYMPHOCYTES: 33,0 % [10 - 50]__________________________________________________ ________________________________________________28,4
MONOCYTES: 8,6 % [0,0 - 12]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________8,3
PLATELETS: 163000 /mmc [150000 - 400000]__________________________________________________ ______________________________________336000

LIVER, KIDNEYS & PANCREAS
AZOTEMIA: 49 mg/dl [15-40]_______________________________________62___________________57________________________________________56
CREATININE: 1,2 mg/dl [0,8 - 1,3]___________________________________1,2__________________1,2________________________________________1,3
CHOLESTEROL TTL: 168 mg/dl [140 - 220]____________________________179__________________205_______________________________________232
CHOLESTEROL HDL: 41 mg/dl [> 40]__________________________________13___________________11________________________________________13
INDEX RISK HDL: 4,1 [till 5]________________________________________13,76________________19,2_______________________________________17,8
CHOLESTEROL LDL: 105 mg/dl [< 100]________________________________157_________________199_______________________________________202
BILIRUBIN TTL: 1,98 mg/dl [0,2-1]___________________________________0,83________________0,78
BILIRUBIN DIRECT: 0,22 mg/dl [0,05 - 0,3]_____________________________0,1_________________0,1
BILIRUBIN INDIRECT: 1,76 mg/dl [till 0,7]______________________________0,73________________0,68
TRANSAMINASE GOT/AST: 21 u/ltr [15 - 37]___________________________55_________________50__________________________________________46
TRANSAMINASE GPT/ALT: 41 u/ltr [30 - 65]___________________________86__________________66__________________________________________95
GAMMA (YGT): 28 u/ltr [15 - 85]____________________________________29__________________28__________________________________________26
AMYLASE: 62 u/ltr [25 - 115]_______________________________________55__________________63__________________________________________64
PROTIDES TTL: 7,4 gr/dl [6,4 - 8,2]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________7,8
ALBUMIN: 59,1 % (4,37 g/dl) [51 - 63,3]__________________________________________________ ___________________________________________60,3
ALFA 1: 2,9 % (0,21 g/dl) [2,2 - 4,3]__________________________________________________ ______________________________________________2,4
ALFA 2: 10,1 % (0,75 g/dl) [9,5 - 14]__________________________________________________ _____________________________________________12,6
BETA: 9,6 % (0,71 g/dl) [10-14,5]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________11,3
GAMMA: 18,3 % (1,35 g/dl) [12 - 20]__________________________________________________ _____________________________________________13,4
A/G RATIO: 1,44 [1,0 - 1,7]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___1,52
PSA: 0,64 ng/ml [till 4]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _______0,39

HORMONAL
INSULIN : 3,34 micru/ml [1,9 - 23]___________________________________3,6_________________3,04
IGF-1: 190 ng/ml [96 - 424]_______________________________________184_________________163
CORTISOL: 12,53 mg/dl [8,7 - 22,4]__________________________________________________ ______________________________________________13,64
HTG: 7,65 ng/ml [0,0 - 35]
PRL: 9,88 ng/ml [2,64 - 13,13]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _12,78
FT3: 3,48 pg/ml [2,2 - 4,7]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ____4,82
FT4: 1,26 ng/dl [0,8 - 2]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______1,29
TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,86 ng/ml [1,75 - 7,81]________________________0,72________________0,61
TESTOSTERONE FREE: 11,7 pg/ml [8 - 47]____________________________5,2_________________4,8__________________________________________9,6
SHBG: 38 pg/ml [13 - 71]_________________________________________10_________________<0,1
ESTRADIOL 17-BETA: 36 pg/ml [<20 - 47]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________9
PROGESTERONE: 0,93 ng/ml [0,14 - 2,06]
FSH: 4,16 miu/ml [1,27 - 19,26]____________________________________2,09_________________2,56________________________________________1,42
TSH: 2,92 micru/ml [0,34 - 5,6]__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________3,88
LH: 3,80 miu/ml [1,24 - 8,62]______________________________________2,19_________________2,58________________________________________2,61
DHEA: 7,3 ng/ml [2,5 - 9,5]
DHEAS: 191 mcg/dl [106 - 464]____________________________________209_________________209,6
DHT: 71 ng/ml [31 - 146]
HGH: 0,2 ng/ml [0,0 - 10]________________________________________<0,1_________________<0,1

After discontinuing the Mesterolone at day 49, the FSH dropped back while testosterone free doubled, +100%!!!... but I was still ingesting Oxandrolone.

Anyone able to explain why?
Any clues?

i thinik a while back somebody mentioned a rebound ....that i said i thought i experienced as well, maybe that?

Actually I could expect a rebound once I stop ingesting Oxandrolone not during the cycle.
The test free increase, happened in the last week or ten days I believe.
So, my question is why?

ya, that is weird. and its enough of an increase, that i wouldnt guess it was something you ate before the test or something like that.

Absolutely not. I was on a empty stomach, as usual, and was eating normally as well as training normally.
The only thing that changed is that I got rid of proviron .

I really cannot give an explanation to this happenings.
If I knew, I would have checked also test ttl and shbg but I was sure they were very low like the other exams and took only test free as a must.

Well that's nice !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can't really complain, everyone's body is different generally the same but different. Everything on paper dosent happen in real life.

are those cholesterol numbers as scary as they look to my uneducated eye?

Yes they are!
HDL and LDL are both very bad and the index risk says it all.
I hope now my system will clean up that.

.....

[BJJ]

Lean Body Mass Acquisition (LBM): 9,043 kg (19,89 lbs)

by "Whole Body Hologic QDR-4500W DXA Fan-Beam Scanner"

[Narkissos]

Stayed here all night and read the whole thread from page 1 til the end.

I give it 5 stars.

Thanks for sharing.

[BJJ]

Stayed here all night and read the whole thread from page 1 til the end.

I give it 5 stars.

Thanks for sharing.

Thank you for noticing my efforts and, being so experienced, also to give your time to a topic you already know.

I was pleased to read you post this morning.

[BJJ]

Day1
60 oxa - 3.436 Kcal - (Biceps & Triceps, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day2
60 oxa - 3.550 Kcal - (Back, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Bursts of Heat

Day3
60 oxa - 3.199 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness

Day4
60 oxa - 3.340 Kcal - (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness, Face Swelling, 4 mg Loperamide

Day5
60 oxa - 2.799 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness, Face Swelling, Yellow Skin (left biceps & shoulder), 4 mg Loperamide, 25.000 iu Neomycin

Day6
60 oxa - 3.646 Kcal - (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Tiredness, Yellow Skin, 1 gr Acetylsalicy Acid

Day7
60 oxa - 3.912 Kcal - (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Yellow Skin, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.411

1ST WEEK NOTES
The first week was very hard to go through. No will to eat at all and lots of problem to understand if the diarrhea was due from oxandrolone or liv.52; also I got a persistent sore throat.
The strength increase was considerable, especially on legs and shoulders.
As daily supplements throughout the cycle: (Multi Vitamins/Minerals 1 tb, Vitamin C/Ester 3 gr, EFA complex 6 gr, ALA 600 mg, LIV.52 2 tabs, CLA 4 gr, ZMA, Tribulus Terrestris 3 gr, Chromium Picolinate 400 mcg, Acetyl L-Carnitine 600 mg, Coenzyme Q10, Glutamine 35 gr, BCAA 20 gr, MT Gakic Hardcore 8 tbs (only before w/o), UN Animal Flex 1 pckt.

Day 8
60 oxa - 2.415 Kcal - (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite,Tiredness, 25.000 iu Neomycin, 4 mg Loperamide, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

Day 9
60 oxa - 3.400 Kcal - (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite

Day 10
60 oxa - 2.760 Kcal - (Cardio 35’)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite

Day 11
60 oxa - 4.208 Kcal - (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Oxandrolone kicked in

Day 12
60 oxa - 3.332 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 13
60 oxa - 3.645 Kcal - (Back)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 14
60 oxa - 3.976 Kcal - (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.392

2ND WEEK NOTES
At day 11 finally Anavar showed me its potentiality by improving my strength incredibly. Not only the power to lift was improved but also the reps needed to exhaust the muscles.
Furthermore, I am starving again especially after the work-outs.
The diarrhea was given by Liv.52. I solved the problem by taking only 1 tab in the morning.

Day 15
60 oxa – 3.698 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region

Day 16
60 oxa – 3.645 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region

Day 17
60 oxa – 3.591 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Diarrhea, 4 mg Loperamide

Day 18
60 oxa – 3.016 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region
Blood Work: Blood Analyses After 18 Days of Oxandrolone at 60 mg ED

Day 19
60 oxa – 3.125 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Day 20
60 oxa – 3.332 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, 400 mg Acetylsalicy Acid

Day 21
60 oxa – 3.129 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, Headache, 2 gr Paracetamol, 500 mg Acetylcysteine Antibiotic, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.362

3RD WEEK NOTES
I understood that the best time to take oxandrolone is after the meals, not before or during, otherwise I get diarrhea and this apart from ingesting Liv.52.
Unfortunately, I got a bit sick yesterday and today is even worse. Every year I suffer from sinusitis which I hope to cure as fast as possible.
In regards of the results of blood analyses above reported, my bilirubin values decreased within the normal range, as expected. Oxandrolone seems "to cure" Gilberts's syndrome (which I have).
Of course, either LDL, HDL and Transaminase went up; as well as azotemia which was already a bit higher and surely it could not start declining during the cycle.
Strangely, creatinine stayed at the same level but this is good in relation with azotemia.
What I do not understand are the values related to LH, FSH and HGH compared with DHEAS. Hopefully my endocrinologist, if not someone in here before, will explain this issue.

Day 22
60 oxa – 5.096 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, Diarrhea, 100 mg Nimesulide, 500 mg Acetylcysteine Antibiotic, 600 mg Acetylcysteine, 25.000 iu Neomycin, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 23
60 oxa – 4.003 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), 10 mg Diazepam

Day 24
60 oxa – 3.650 Kcal – (Back)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Day 25
60 oxa – 4.021 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Day 26
60 oxa / 50 mes – 4.374 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Day 27
60 oxa / 50 mes – 5.338 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Libido is Back, Back pain on the lumbar right region

Day 28
60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.071 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 4.221

4TH WEEK NOTES
Fortunately sinusitis, which I had between day 20/22, went away quickly.
At day 26 I added 3 gr of Tribulus Terrestris daily.
Since also from day 26 I am ingesting Mesterolone, my libido in back and I have very hard erections. Furthermore, I feel I can last longer while having sex.
My daily Kcalories intake was brought up to more than 4.000 (just checking how much fat I will store comparing to when I was eating/training the same, naturally).
This afternoon I underwent a full abdominal echography to see the overall situation and try to figure out if the pang I felt sometimes around my lower back was due to a kidney problem. The response was negative, all the organs are fine and was told it might be a problem related to training, probably a muscular micro-lesion less than 1mm, therefore not visible.
The persistent sore throat, reported at week 1, it is still there.[/QUOTE]

Day 29

60 oxa / 50 mes – 5.723 Kcal – (Shoulders, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Problems to fall asleep because I took the last tabs of Oxandrolone around midnight, 2 gr Ketoprofen foam, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 30

70 oxa / 50 mes – 4.790 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 2 gr Ketoprofen foam

Day 31

70 oxa / 50 mes – 5.999 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region

Day 32

70 oxa / 50 mes – 3.461 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Diarrhea, 4 mg Loperamide, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 33

70 oxa / 50 mes – 2.763 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 200 mg Nimesulide, 4 gr Ketoprofen foam

Day 34

70 oxa / 50 mes – 4.321 Kcal – (Chest & Back)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 35

60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.973 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Diarrhea, 100 mg Nimesulide

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 4.432

5TH WEEK NOTES
So, in 19 days I took 6,6 lbs of lean mass (estimate) while fat increased a bit more but still under control (considering also I am not eating low glycemic index carbs at all) and water kept at the same value.
I would say so far, oxandrolone is showing its ability to increase the lean mass controlling either the fat and the water.
I am quite satisfied because I think I can easily go down to 12% bf retaining most of the lean mass acquired. I will act so the last ten days of the cycle. Till that time, I want to continue eating that much calories and proteins. Perhaps I can start eating more oats instead of pasta and rice.
At day 30 I started to ingest 10 mg more of Oxandrolone daily, for a total of 70 mg.
At day 35 I went back to 60 mg since I noticed no differences at all and the back pain on the lumbar right region came back again in a vigorous way. I am getting tired of this also because in spite of the echography I took lastly (which was fine), the pain is always there and seems to get worse after I ingest Oxandrolone. I had no possibility, as previously stated, to go taking blood analyses a few days ago, but I’ll go tomorrow morning. I want to see if the values related to the liver and the kidneys have stabilized or not. In negative case, it could be an explanation for the pain. Surely, I cannot keep taking nimesulide to get rid of the pain since it is very liver toxic too and gives diarrhea.
Strength keeps increasing.
The persistent sore throat, reported at week 1, it is finally gone.

Day 36

70 oxa / 50 mes – 3.640 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil
Blood Work: Blood Analyses After 36 Days of Oxandrolone at 60/70 mg ED

Day 37

70 oxa / 50 mes – 3.511 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 100 mg Nimesulide

Day 38

60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.332 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 39

60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.042 Kcal – (Cardio 30’)
Sides & Notes: 10 mg Diazepam

Day 40

60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.046 Kcal – (Cardio 30’)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 41

80 oxa / 50 mes – 4.050 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Diarrhea, Dizziness late after dinner (several hours)

Day 42

60 oxa / 50 mes – 4.824 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Diarrhea, Dizziness late after dinner (just a few minutes)

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.635

6TH WEEK NOTES
On day 41 I tried to raise the input from Oxandrolone by ingesting 20 mg more, for a total of 80 mg. The results were dizziness and confusion. The morning after I felt also some kind of hallucination and both yesterday and today the diarrhea came back. I decided not to push my luck and from day 42 I went back to 60 mg ed. After all, I had good results so far and see no reasons to screw everything up.
This week I ate a bit less to see if I could obtain a better definition but I also had the possibility to work-out only two days, so this made my effort fruitless.
Regarding my sperm, I realized it is more viscous than before and it seems also heavier.
Wondering if PCT is required since both LH and FSH are (and always were) within the normal ranges.

Day 43

60 oxa / 50 mes – 2.637 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Took 150 mg of Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) by mistake

Day 44

60 oxa / 75 mes – 2.659 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 45

70 oxa / 75 mes – 2.511 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Nil
+0.10 oxa

Day 46

70 oxa / 75 mes – 3.373 Kcal – (Back)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 47

70 oxa / 75 mes – 2.754 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Sore Throat/Ears/Head, 2 gr Paracetamol

Day 48

70 oxa / 75 mes – 2.564 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Sore Throat/Ears, 2 gr Paracetamol

Day 49

70 oxa / 75 mes – 3.237 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Sore Throat, 2 gr Paracetamol

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 2.819

7TH WEEK NOTES
On day 43, I wrongly took 150 mg of Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) at breakfast. I had an intestine discomfort, which lasted the entire morning.
On day 44, I raised the Mesterolone (Proviron ) daily intake of about 0,25 mg.
On day 45, I raised the Oxandrolone (Anavar) daily intake of about 0,10 mg.
I did not notice any improvement of any sort.
I figure out that strength increase ceased, even though I have not pushed to the limit to avoid injuries since I work-out in solitude.
This week I lowered my daily Kcalories intake because I realized I was putting on too much fat. I should be now back to 14% or less maybe, while by the end of last week I surely was above 15%.
In any case, in the next weekend I am going to check my stats again.
In the following and last week (8th), I am going to lower the daily intake of anavar down to 60 mg while starting from tomorrow morning I shall not ingest proviron anymore.
I need to see if mesterolone is related to the upsurge of my LH and FSH values. So, next Saturday I shall take the last blood work on cycle and accordingly, I set up the proper pct.

Day 50

60 oxa – 2.589 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Cough, 2 gr Paracetamol, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 51

60 oxa – 3.299 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Cough, 1 gr Paracetamol
Sperm Analyses: Sperm Analyses After 51 Days of Oxandrolone at 60/70 mg ED

Day 52

60 oxa – 3.051 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Cough, 1 gr Paracetamol

Day 53

60 oxa – 2.978 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 54

60 oxa – 2.897 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 55

60 oxa – 3.040 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 56

70 oxa – 2.598 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil
Blood Wok: Blood Analyses After 56 Days of Oxandrolone at 63 mg ED (Averaged)

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 2.921
Daily Average Bulking KCalories Intake (56 days): 3.159
Oxandrolone Daily Ingestion Average (56 days): 63 mg

8TH WEEK NOTES
Nothing particular to report on this final week, except I lowered the total daily intake of Kcalories to prepare myself for the following three weeks of PCT, where I am going to use 3.000 Kcalories on a daily average with 300/330 grams of protides.
Furthermore, after discontinuing the Mesterolone at day 49, the FSH dropped back while testosterone free doubled, +100%.

”BULKING” CONCLUSIONS
Being on my first cycle, I believe I had good results especially in strength.
After almost 20 years of martial arts as well as training in the gym plus other spare sport activities, I started this cycle with a bit of concern in relation to some elbows pangs I have felt in the last months. So, I never pushed to the limit really and always trained in solitude to avoid that.
Furthermore, I was not able to accomplish a ”perfect” diet regime throughout the cycle, as I wanted to, due to personal reasons which also led me to sleep no so goodly and enough.
Said that, I believe I could have achieved better results but I am satisfied anyway.

As reported during the cycle, Oxandrolone gave me some strong dizziness at 80 mg ed.
For the rest, except a total loss of appetite the first week or so and some diarrhea till I understood when to ingest the drug (after main meals), I would say I have gotten only benefits. The pang on my elbows disappeared after one week supporting what I read regarding the ability of Oxandrolone to cure problems related to ligaments and tendons, or in case to relieve the associated pain.
Another good ability was in regard of water percentage in the body. I ate a lot, compared to what I have burned especially in the first weeks, and I got just a little fat on and no water retention at all. This is good for martial artists or any other sport where the “not useful” weight is an issue.
Regarding vascularization, I cannot say I noticed any improvement because I did not mean to use this compound to get ripped, while I wanted more strength and see how much lean mass I could obtain. I started the cycle at 12,9% bf, went up to 14,6% bf and then back to 14% bf now, more or less. However, I tried to reduce the daily Kcalories at the end of the cycle but mostly helped me to reduce the fat I have put on, not to see any veins on my chest.

Overall Strength Increase: 35% (estimate)

Squat (legs) 100 kg (220 lbs) 130 kg (286 lbs) +30%
One Arm Dumbbell Row (back) 30 kg (66 lbs) 44 kg (96,8 lbs) +46,66%
Bench Press with Dumbbells (chest) 30 kg each (66 lbs) 40 kg (88 lbs) +33,33%
Military Press with Dumbbells (shoulders) 24 kg each (52,8 lbs) 34 kg (74,8 lbs) +41,66%
Dumbbells Curls (biceps - seated) 24 kg each (52,8 lbs) 30 kg (66 lbs) +25%
Dumbbells Curls (triceps - lying down) 18 kg each (39,6 lbs) 24 kg (52,8 lbs) +33,33%

Lean Body Mass Acquisition (LBM): 9,043 kg (19,89 lbs)
by Whole Body Hologic QDR-4500W DXA Fan-Beam Scanner

(current-previous)/previous*100 = (+) increase% or (-) decrease%

Day 57
Day 1 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.555 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Flatulence, 20 mg Tadalafil

Day 58
Day 2 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.556 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Increased size of testicles

Day 59
Day 3 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.484 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 60
Day 4 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.596 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 61
Day 5 pct

50 clo / 40 nol – 2.708 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Testicles back to normal

Day 62
Day 6 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.383 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 63
Day 7 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.513 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.399

9TH WEEK NOTES
Strength kept being at the same level while muscles, right after I stopped the ingestion of Oxandrolone, started to ache for a few days.
Testicles increased the day after I started my pct, but after a few days came back to their normal size.
At day 5 (61) I ingested 40 mg of Tamoxifen Citrate to see if I could notice any difference but that day I could not eat as much as I had to, so I thwarted the attempt. In any case, having also used 50 mg of clomid, 20 mg of Nolva should be enough.
I plan to check my test levels plus LH and FSH by the end of the second week of PCT, to see the situation and plan the third week.
While, a full blood work to be compared to the one taken before the cycle, after my detox program (GSH), which will start three days after the end of PCT.
Regarding Tadalafil, I took it at day 1 to give it a try, in spite of during the entire cycle I had loss of libido but never problems to have sex normally. Anyway, I noticed no differences while my intestine became full of gas in about two hours. Fortunately, the morning after I was fine again.

[pwnflow]

Did research on Proviron , smart move adding it. But from what I understand I still think clomid is an overkill, just nolvo would have worked fine. Could you shed some light on how you decided to add both of them?

Ya I will base my decision to go with anavar or not depending on how well you levels stabilizes, good luck bro!

Also, what brand of oxandrolone did you use?

[BJJ]

Did research on Proviron , smart move adding it. But from what I understand I still think clomid is an overkill, just nolvo would have worked fine. Could you shed some light on how you decided to add both of them?

Ya I will base my decision to go with anavar or not depending on how well you levels stabilizes, good luck bro!

Also, what brand of oxandrolone did you use?

Because by looking at my test levels before the cycle:

TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,86 ng/ml [1,75 - 7,81]
TESTOSTERONE FREE: 11,7 pg/ml [8 - 47]
SHBG: 38 pg/ml [13 - 71]
DHT: 71 ng/ml [31 - 146]

you can see they were in the low part of the range. Except for SHBG, the other three should have been found higher!
So, by doing a strong pct, in relation to my levels at the end of my cycle, I want to see if I can raise those levels more than they used to be.

[kaigab]

SHBG was totally killed during your cycle.

I wonder what would have happened if injecting even a very low dose of test...it would have become all FREE test (so reaching similar levels of heavy injectable cycles...) ?

[BJJ]

SHBG was totally killed during your cycle.

I wonder what would have happened if injecting even a very low dose of test...it would have become all FREE test (so reaching similar levels of heavy injectable cycles...) ?

The problem is, I did not check the DHT while on cycle and that is more important than test free. My mistake!
I will check it after the PCT and GSH protocol but I needed to see the values during also!

[pwnflow]

Because by looking at my test levels before the cycle:

TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,86 ng/ml [1,75 - 7,81]
TESTOSTERONE FREE: 11,7 pg/ml [8 - 47]
SHBG: 38 pg/ml [13 - 71]
DHT: 71 ng/ml [31 - 146]

you can see they were in the low part of the range. Except for SHBG, the other three should have been found higher!
So, by doing a strong pct, in relation to my levels at the end of my cycle, I want to see if I can raise those levels more than they used to be.

Interesting, I do understand it now. Oh and which lab's oxandrolone did you use?

[BJJ]

Interesting, I do understand it now. Oh and which lab's oxandrolone did you use?

Oxanabolic

[BJJ]

During my bulking period I used to ingest 1.5 gr of protides per lbs while now on pct I raised the protein intake up to 2 gr per lbs of body weight.
My creatinine value, during the cycle, never went above 1,3 mg/dl, while in the past when training natural that value went way up.
So, by increasing the ingestions of protides I want keep my muscles, as a first priority, but also figure out if the values of creatinine will raise above the normal ranges.
Yet, I am not able to give any explanation to this happening.

Any clue will be much appreciated.

[Roidbeginner]

I was surprised that the haemoglobin, MCH, MCHV were declining even thugh you are on oxymetholone, which is purported to increase RBC. I wonder if you are prone to iron deficiency or going into one. the hematocrit did not increase either.

[pwnflow]

I was surprised that the haemoglobin, MCH, MCHV were declining even thugh you are on oxymetholone, which is purported to increase RBC. I wonder if you are prone to iron deficiency or going into one. the hematocrit did not increase either.

Oxymetholone is anadrol . He was on oxandrolone, which is anavar . Completely different roids.

[BJJ]

I was surprised that the haemoglobin, MCH, MCHV were declining even thugh you are on oxymetholone, which is purported to increase RBC. I wonder if you are prone to iron deficiency or going into one. the hematocrit did not increase either.

Sorry man but I think you mistook the thread.
The IUPAC are:

Oxymetholone (Anadrol ) 17β-hydroxy-2-hydroxymethylene-17α-methyl-3-androstanone

Oxandrolone (Anavar ) 17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-2-oxa-5a-androstan-3-one (the one I took).

[BJJ]

Oxymetholone is anadrol. He was on oxandrolone, which is anavar. Completely different roids.

I read you after having replied to him.
Thanks then.

[pwnflow]

Oxanabolic

Looked around, Oxanabolic by asia pharma right? So would you recommend it over Bonavar by body research?

[BJJ]

Looked around, Oxanabolic by asia pharma right? So would you recommend it over Bonavar by body research?

In order to recommend one or the other I should have run both, but that is not my case.
I am sorry.

[pwnflow]

In order to recommend one or the other I should have run both, but that is not my case.
I am sorry.

True. I quess oxandrolone is oxandrolone as long as it's oxandrolone.

Did you figure out why your FSH dropped and testosterone free doubled when you stopped proviron ?

Also, Why didn't you use a liver or lipid support supplement while on cycle?

[BJJ]

True. I quess oxandrolone is oxandrolone as long as it's oxandrolone.

Did you figure out why your FSH dropped and testosterone free doubled when you stopped proviron ? not really, also nobody on this forum was able to explain why.

Also, Why didn't you use a liver or lipid support supplement while on cycle? I did, check post number 3 on the notes: ANAVAR Cycle (for those interested)

bolds

[pwnflow]

bolds

Oh sweet, must have slipped out of my mind. Mmmm do you have any opinion on niacin? I though it was used in a cycle for lipids support.

[BJJ]

Oh sweet, must have slipped out of my mind. Mmmm do you have any opinion on niacin? I though it was used in a cycle for lipids support.

The lack of vitamin PP (niacin or vitamin B3) occurs in people who take insufficient quantities of it and tryptophan. The event of this inadequate contribution goes under the name of pellagra. In general, such disease begins with problems in gastrointestinal disorders, mental disorders with fatigue, depression and memory disorders.
Since, the tryptophan may be a precursor of nicotinic acid is evaluated the needs of both and it is expressed in the form of niacin equivalent (60 mg of tryptophan = 1 mg of niacin).
Currently is recommended that a dose of Niacin equivalent of 20 mg for one that uses about 3.000 Kcal. The recruitment of high doses of nicotinic acid is able to reduce the levels of LDL-cholesterol and triglyceride levels plasma (inhibition of liver lipolysis) and to increase, at the same time, the share of HDL cholesterol. The main side effects that may occur are those vasodilators with appearance of flushing, erythema, itching, nausea, headaches and diarrhea. There are also had some cases of alteration of transaminases and hepatotoxicity.

[redwings91]

Awesome thread!

[BJJ]

Awesome thread!

Thank you

[BJJ]

Day1
60 oxa - 3.436 Kcal - (Biceps & Triceps, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day2
60 oxa - 3.550 Kcal - (Back, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Bursts of Heat

Day3
60 oxa - 3.199 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness

Day4
60 oxa - 3.340 Kcal - (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness, Face Swelling, 4 mg Loperamide

Day5
60 oxa - 2.799 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Diarrhea, Tiredness, Face Swelling, Yellow Skin (left biceps & shoulder), 4 mg Loperamide, 25.000 iu Neomycin

Day6
60 oxa - 3.646 Kcal - (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Tiredness, Yellow Skin, 1 g Acetylsalicy Acid

Day7
60 oxa - 3.912 Kcal - (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite, Yellow Skin, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.411

1ST WEEK NOTES
The first week was very hard to go through. No will to eat at all and lots of problem to understand if the diarrhea was due from oxandrolone or liv.52; also I got a persistent sore throat.
The strength increase was considerable, especially on legs and shoulders.
As daily supplements throughout the cycle: (Multi Vitamins/Minerals 1 tb, Vitamin C/Ester 3 gr, EFA complex 6 gr, ALA 600 mg, LIV.52 2 tabs, CLA 4 gr, ZMA, Tribulus Terrestris 3 gr, Chromium Picolinate 400 mcg, Acetyl L-Carnitine 600 mg, Coenzyme Q10, Glutamine 35 gr, BCAA 20 gr, MT Gakic Hardcore 8 tbs (only before w/o), UN Animal Flex 1 pckt.

Day 8
60 oxa - 2.415 Kcal - (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite,Tiredness, 25.000 iu Neomycin, 4 mg Loperamide, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

Day 9
60 oxa - 3.400 Kcal - (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite

Day 10
60 oxa - 2.760 Kcal - (Cardio 35’)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Appetite

Day 11
60 oxa - 4.208 Kcal - (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Oxandrolone kicked in

Day 12
60 oxa - 3.332 Kcal - (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 13
60 oxa - 3.645 Kcal - (Back)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 14
60 oxa - 3.976 Kcal - (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.392

2ND WEEK NOTES
At day 11 finally Anavar showed me its potentiality by improving my strength incredibly. Not only the power to lift was improved but also the reps needed to exhaust the muscles.
Furthermore, I am starving again especially after the work-outs.
The diarrhea was given by Liv.52. I solved the problem by taking only 1 tab in the morning.

Day 15
60 oxa – 3.698 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region

Day 16
60 oxa – 3.645 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region

Day 17
60 oxa – 3.591 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Diarrhea, 4 mg Loperamide

Day 18
60 oxa – 3.016 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Back pain on the lumbar right region
Blood Work: Blood Analyses After 18 Days of Oxandrolone at 60 mg ED

Day 19
60 oxa – 3.125 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Day 20
60 oxa – 3.332 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, 400 mg Acetylsalicy Acid

Day 21
60 oxa – 3.129 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, Headache, 2 g Paracetamol, 500 mg Acetylcysteine Antibiotic, 600 mg Acetylcysteine

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.362

3RD WEEK NOTES
I understood that the best time to take oxandrolone is after the meals, not before or during, otherwise I get diarrhea and this apart from ingesting Liv.52.
Unfortunately, I got a bit sick yesterday and today is even worse. Every year I suffer from sinusitis which I hope to cure as fast as possible.
In regards of the results of blood analyses above reported, my bilirubin values decreased within the normal range, as expected. Oxandrolone seems "to cure" Gilberts's syndrome (which I have).
Of course, either LDL, HDL and Transaminase went up; as well as azotemia which was already a bit higher and surely it could not start declining during the cycle.
Strangely, creatinine stayed at the same level but this is good in relation with azotemia.
What I do not understand are the values related to LH, FSH and HGH compared with DHEAS. Hopefully my endocrinologist, if not someone in here before, will explain this issue.

Day 22
60 oxa – 5.096 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), Sinusitis, Diarrhea, 100 mg Nimesulide, 500 mg Acetylcysteine Antibiotic, 600 mg Acetylcysteine, 25.000 iu Neomycin, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 23
60 oxa – 4.003 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request), 10 mg Diazepam

Day 24
60 oxa – 3.650 Kcal – (Back)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Day 25
60 oxa – 4.021 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Day 26
60 oxa / 50 mes – 4.374 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Loss of Libido (only on request)

Day 27
60 oxa / 50 mes – 5.338 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Libido is Back, Back pain on the lumbar right region

Day 28
60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.071 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 4.221

4TH WEEK NOTES
Fortunately sinusitis, which I had between day 20/22, went away quickly.
At day 26 I added 3 gr of Tribulus Terrestris daily.
Since also from day 26 I am ingesting Mesterolone, my libido in back and I have very hard erections. Furthermore, I feel I can last longer while having sex.
My daily Kcalories intake was brought up to more than 4.000 (just checking how much fat I will store comparing to when I was eating/training the same, naturally).
This afternoon I underwent a full abdominal echography to see the overall situation and try to figure out if the pang I felt sometimes around my lower back was due to a kidney problem. The response was negative, all the organs are fine and was told it might be a problem related to training, probably a muscular micro-lesion less than 1mm, therefore not visible.
The persistent sore throat, reported at week 1, it is still there.[/QUOTE]

Day 29

60 oxa / 50 mes – 5.723 Kcal – (Shoulders, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Problems to fall asleep because I took the last tabs of Oxandrolone around midnight, 2 g Ketoprofen foam, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 30

70 oxa / 50 mes – 4.790 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 2 g Ketoprofen foam

Day 31

70 oxa / 50 mes – 5.999 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region

Day 32

70 oxa / 50 mes – 3.461 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Diarrhea, 4 mg Loperamide, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 33

70 oxa / 50 mes – 2.763 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 200 mg Nimesulide, 4 g Ketoprofen foam

Day 34

70 oxa / 50 mes – 4.321 Kcal – (Chest & Back)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 35

60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.973 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, Diarrhea, 100 mg Nimesulide

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 4.432

5TH WEEK NOTES
So, in 19 days I took 6,6 lbs of lean mass (estimate) while fat increased a bit more but still under control (considering also I am not eating low glycemic index carbs at all) and water kept at the same value.
I would say so far, oxandrolone is showing its ability to increase the lean mass controlling either the fat and the water.
I am quite satisfied because I think I can easily go down to 12% bf retaining most of the lean mass acquired. I will act so the last ten days of the cycle. Till that time, I want to continue eating that much calories and proteins. Perhaps I can start eating more oats instead of pasta and rice.
At day 30 I started to ingest 10 mg more of Oxandrolone daily, for a total of 70 mg.
At day 35 I went back to 60 mg since I noticed no differences at all and the back pain on the lumbar right region came back again in a vigorous way. I am getting tired of this also because in spite of the echography I took lastly (which was fine), the pain is always there and seems to get worse after I ingest Oxandrolone. I had no possibility, as previously stated, to go taking blood analyses a few days ago, but I’ll go tomorrow morning. I want to see if the values related to the liver and the kidneys have stabilized or not. In negative case, it could be an explanation for the pain. Surely, I cannot keep taking nimesulide to get rid of the pain since it is very liver toxic too and gives diarrhea.
Strength keeps increasing.
The persistent sore throat, reported at week 1, it is finally gone.

Day 36

70 oxa / 50 mes – 3.640 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil
Blood Work: Blood Analyses After 36 Days of Oxandrolone at 60/70 mg ED

Day 37

70 oxa / 50 mes – 3.511 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Back pain on the lumbar right region, 100 mg Nimesulide

Day 38

60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.332 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 39

60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.042 Kcal – (Cardio 30’)
Sides & Notes: 10 mg Diazepam

Day 40

60 oxa / 50 mes – 3.046 Kcal – (Cardio 30’)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 41

80 oxa / 50 mes – 4.050 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Diarrhea, Dizziness late after dinner (several hours)

Day 42

60 oxa / 50 mes – 4.824 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Diarrhea, Dizziness late after dinner (just a few minutes)

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.635

6TH WEEK NOTES
On day 41 I tried to raise the input from Oxandrolone by ingesting 20 mg more, for a total of 80 mg. The results were dizziness and confusion. The morning after I felt also some kind of hallucination and both yesterday and today the diarrhea came back. I decided not to push my luck and from day 42 I went back to 60 mg ed. After all, I had good results so far and see no reasons to screw everything up.
This week I ate a bit less to see if I could obtain a better definition but I also had the possibility to work-out only two days, so this made my effort fruitless.
Regarding my sperm, I realized it is more viscous than before and it seems also heavier.
Wondering if PCT is required since both LH and FSH are (and always were) within the normal ranges.

Day 43

60 oxa / 50 mes – 2.637 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Took 150 mg of Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) by mistake

Day 44

60 oxa / 75 mes – 2.659 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 45

70 oxa / 75 mes – 2.511 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Nil
+0.10 oxa

Day 46

70 oxa / 75 mes – 3.373 Kcal – (Back)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 47

70 oxa / 75 mes – 2.754 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Sore Throat/Ears/Head, 2 g Paracetamol

Day 48

70 oxa / 75 mes – 2.564 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Sore Throat/Ears, 2 g Paracetamol

Day 49

70 oxa / 75 mes – 3.237 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Sore Throat, 2 g Paracetamol

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 2.819

7TH WEEK NOTES
On day 43, I wrongly took 150 mg of Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) at breakfast. I had an intestine discomfort, which lasted the entire morning.
On day 44, I raised the Mesterolone (Proviron ) daily intake of about 0,25 mg.
On day 45, I raised the Oxandrolone (Anavar) daily intake of about 0,10 mg.
I did not notice any improvement of any sort.
I figure out that strength increase ceased, even though I have not pushed to the limit to avoid injuries since I work-out in solitude.
This week I lowered my daily Kcalories intake because I realized I was putting on too much fat. I should be now back to 14% or less maybe, while by the end of last week I surely was above 15%.
In any case, in the next weekend I am going to check my stats again.
In the following and last week (8th), I am going to lower the daily intake of anavar down to 60 mg while starting from tomorrow morning I shall not ingest proviron anymore.
I need to see if mesterolone is related to the upsurge of my LH and FSH values. So, next Saturday I shall take the last blood work on cycle and accordingly, I set up the proper pct.

Day 50

60 oxa – 2.589 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Cough, 2 g Paracetamol, 10 mg Diazepam

Day 51

60 oxa – 3.299 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Cough, 1 g Paracetamol
Sperm Analyses: Sperm Analyses After 51 Days of Oxandrolone at 60/70 mg ED

Day 52

60 oxa – 3.051 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Cough, 1 g Paracetamol

Day 53

60 oxa – 2.978 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 54

60 oxa – 2.897 Kcal – (Legs)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 55

60 oxa – 3.040 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 56

70 oxa – 2.598 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil
Blood Wok: Blood Analyses After 56 Days of Oxandrolone at 63 mg ED (Averaged)

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 2.921
Daily Average Bulking KCalories Intake (56 days): 3.159
Oxandrolone Daily Ingestion Average (56 days): 63 mg

8TH WEEK NOTES
Nothing particular to report on this final week, except I lowered the total daily intake of Kcalories to prepare myself for the following three weeks of PCT, where I am going to use 3.000 Kcalories on a daily average with 300/330 grams of protides.
Furthermore, after discontinuing the Mesterolone at day 49, the FSH dropped back while testosterone free doubled, +100%.

”BULKING” CONCLUSIONS
Being on my first cycle, I believe I had good results especially in strength.
After almost 20 years of martial arts as well as training in the gym plus other spare sport activities, I started this cycle with a bit of concern in relation to some elbows pangs I have felt in the last months. So, I never pushed to the limit really and always trained in solitude to avoid that.
Furthermore, I was not able to accomplish a ”perfect” diet regime throughout the cycle, as I wanted to, due to personal reasons which also led me to sleep no so goodly and enough.
Said that, I believe I could have achieved better results but I am satisfied anyway.

As reported during the cycle, Oxandrolone gave me some strong dizziness at 80 mg ed.
For the rest, except a total loss of appetite the first week or so and some diarrhea till I understood when to ingest the drug (after main meals), I would say I have gotten only benefits. The pang on my elbows disappeared after one week supporting what I read regarding the ability of Oxandrolone to cure problems related to ligaments and tendons, or in case to relieve the associated pain.
Another good ability was in regard of water percentage in the body. I ate a lot, compared to what I have burned especially in the first weeks, and I got just a little fat on and no water retention at all. This is good for martial artists or any other sport where the “not useful” weight is an issue.
Regarding vascularization, I cannot say I noticed any improvement because I did not mean to use this compound to get ripped, while I wanted more strength and see how much lean mass I could obtain. I started the cycle at 12,9% bf, went up to 14,6% bf and then back to 14% bf now, more or less. However, I tried to reduce the daily Kcalories at the end of the cycle but mostly helped me to reduce the fat I have put on, not to see any veins on my chest.

Overall Strength Increase: 35% (estimate)

Squat (legs) 100 kg (220 lbs) 130 kg (286 lbs) +30%
One Arm Dumbbell Row (back) 30 kg (66 lbs) 44 kg (96,8 lbs) +46,66%
Bench Press with Dumbbells (chest) 30 kg each (66 lbs) 40 kg (88 lbs) +33,33%
Military Press with Dumbbells (shoulders) 24 kg each (52,8 lbs) 34 kg (74,8 lbs) +41,66%
Dumbbells Curls (biceps - seated) 24 kg each (52,8 lbs) 30 kg (66 lbs) +25%
Dumbbells Curls (triceps - lying down) 18 kg each (39,6 lbs) 24 kg (52,8 lbs) +33,33%

Lean Body Mass Acquisition (LBM): 9,043 kg (19,89 lbs)
by Whole Body Hologic QDR-4500W DXA Fan-Beam Scanner

(current-previous)/previous*100 = (+) increase% or (-) decrease%

Day 57
Day 1 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.555 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Flatulence, 20 mg Tadalafil

Day 58
Day 2 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.556 Kcal – (Biceps & Triceps)
Sides & Notes: Increased size of testicles

Day 59
Day 3 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.484 Kcal – (Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 60
Day 4 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.596 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 61
Day 5 pct

50 clo / 40 nol – 2.708 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Testicles back to normal

Day 62
Day 6 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.383 Kcal – (Shoulders)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 63
Day 7 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.513 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.399

9TH WEEK NOTES
Strength kept being at the same level while muscles, right after I stopped the ingestion of Oxandrolone, started to ache for a few days.
Testicles increased the day after I started my pct, but after a few days came back to their normal size.
At day 5 (61) I ingested 40 mg of Tamoxifen Citrate to see if I could notice any difference but that day I could not eat as much as I had to, so I thwarted the attempt. In any case, having also used 50 mg of clomid, 20 mg of Nolva should be enough.
I plan to check my test levels plus LH and FSH by the end of the second week of PCT, to see the situation and plan the third week.
While, I shall get a full blood work to be compared to the one taken before the cycle, after my detox program (GSH), which will start three days after the end of PCT.
Regarding Tadalafil, I took it at day 1 to give it a try, in spite of during the entire cycle I had loss of libido but never problems to have sex normally. Anyway, I noticed no differences while my intestine became full of gas in about two hours. Fortunately, the morning after I was fine again.

Day 58
Day 8 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.907 Kcal – (Back, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 59
Day 9 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.583 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: 2 mg Loperamide

Day 60
Day 10 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 4.345 Kcal – (Legs, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 61
Day 11 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.697 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 62
Day 12 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.510 Kcal – (Rest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 63
Day 13 pct

50 clo / 20 nol – 3.912 Kcal – (Back, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Day 64
Day 14 pct

20 nol – 3.093 Kcal – (Chest)
Sides & Notes: Nil

Daily Average KCalories Intake: 3.721

10TH WEEK NOTES
Strength decreased a bit. If I could achieve a “x” weight for 10 reps, now I go up to 8 max.
On day 14 (64), I ceased ingesting clomid, so the rest of the final week will be only nolva 20 mg ed.

[bjpennnn]

any pics yet?

[BJJ]

any pics yet?

I posted like 10 pics throughout the cycle.
I took them all off, though.

Want to see the improvement?
Be my guest:
After 1 Week PCT

It speaks more than any pic you could see!

[bjpennnn]

thats what i wanted. good shit.

[BJJ]

thats what i wanted. good shit.

[xero]

BJJ thanks for the effort you have put into this. Extremely high quality contribution.

[BJJ]

BJJ thanks for the effort you have put into this. Extremely high quality contribution.

Thank you

[goose]

One of the few great threads,I have seen in years,in this section.A rare treat.

Whats the highest dose you think is possible to run??

[bjpennnn]

good stuff...? lol

[im9boss]

So i've read the ideal length to take var is 6 weeks. you went for 8 weeks, did you notice gains during 2 weeks? if you were to do a cycle of var again, would you do 6 or 8 weeks?
and how bout the dose, would u try starting at 70mg next time? or were you satisfied with 60mg

[BJJ]

One of the few great threads,I have seen in years,in this section.A rare treat.

Whats the highest dose you think is possible to run??

Thank you, much appreciated.

Personally, I had some strong dizziness at 80 mg ed so I would no go over that amount but I have read some guys took 100 mg ed.
However, considering what Oxandrolone did to my HDL and liver values, I think is too risky to go over 80 mg ed.

[BJJ]

So i've read the ideal length to take var is 6 weeks. you went for 8 weeks, did you notice gains during 2 weeks? if you were to do a cycle of var again, would you do 6 or 8 weeks?
and how bout the dose, would u try starting at 70mg next time? or were you satisfied with 60mg

No, no improvement in the last two weeks.
My average intake was 63 mg ed, but if I had to run another var cycle, I would run 70 mg ed for 6 weeks.

That is the best way, IMO, to have the maximum possible effect from the drug keeping the sides under control.

[cvictorg]

Have you considered using this instead of injectable testosterone ?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2040234/#R9

Also - look at this study about problems with high doses of hgh

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/87/4/1654

I would be greatly interested in your opinion - combining the SARM S-4 with anavar and/or proviron might be an ideal oral only cycle

[BJJ]

Have you considered using this instead of injectable testosterone ? No, I did not consider it because of the vision problem associated and reported by some people.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2040234/#R9

Also - look at this study about problems with high doses of hgh

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/87/4/1654 thank you for sharing but what HGH has to do with my cycle?

I would be greatly interested in your opinion - combining the SARM S-4 with anavar and/or proviron might be an ideal oral only cycle I would gladly answer your question but my experience is with var and prov only. I never took SARM S-4 alone or in combination so how could I give you my opinion? Sorry.

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[cvictorg]

Thank you, much appreciated.

Personally, I had some strong dizziness at 80 mg ed so I would no go over that amount but I have read some guys took 100 mg ed.
However, considering what Oxandrolone did to my HDL and liver values, I think is too risky to go over 80 mg ed.

Have your liver and HDL values started to come back to normal levels?