EQ only - first cycle - 22 yrs old

[thenextcutler]

First and for most... I've included the controversial stuff in the title, if you clicked on my thread simply to give me your unwanted opinion about whether I should cycle at my age or that I should be using test, please click the little "x" in the top right corner and save it, alternatively you can visit my other thread http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=406449 and piss and moan to your hearts content.

If you're still with me, here is the cycle:
Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ weekly
Week 1 to 10: 25 mg provimed daily
Week 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
Week 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
Week 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
clen pyramid for weeks 13,14,15

This was predesigned by a reputable source and a Pro bodybuilder to be an intro cycle to AAS w/o the use of test. It is NOT up for discussion and once again, any issues, the little "x" will solve your problems. Don't cloud my thread with your opinions.

I will be using STS training, my diet is 380 protein, 450 carb, 100 fat (roughly 4000 cal).

This log will be short. I pin E4D and will probably only update E4D. E8D I'll post a weigh in. That being said if I am being too brief, ask a question and I will gladly answer it.


With this cycle I plan to make a small, slow gain which will be retainable, minimizing sides. My next cycle will likely be a test only one. My third, having first hand experience with both compounds, will then be one or both compounds.

Attached are photos taken today. I allowed myself to gain a bit of water/fat after my halloween costume sodium depletion diet so that those few pounds won't play a factor here. I'll weigh in first thing tomorrow morning.

First pin was today, went very well. Right quad, muscle feels like I've experienced with flu and hep shots, so I guess that is a good sign. Waited 2 hours after pin to take my 25 mg proviron so I could try and gauge any immediate sides from the doses. Don't feel any different and it's been a few hours since both. Only problem with pin was how bad I was shaking! scared the crap out of me but i'm sure future pins will be easier.

Pictures all natural btw. Unless you count OTC test boosters which, IMO, do nothing but lighten the wallet. (kinda of like this current cycle will hahahaha yur all so funny)
Stats will come tomorrow when I weigh in...

edit:
STATS
22 y/o
6'
203.5 lbs,
BF% maybe fireguy can guess from the pics?

training off and on for who knows how long, in my early teens I first started doing situps and pushups in what I though was a workout, which looking back was a laughable warm up. At age 18 I began training 5 days cardio 3 days weights to condition myself for the para-military training I received at 19, which is where I learned about nutrition and training from personal trainers for 6 months. In that 6 months I went from a 177 lb skeleton to an athletic 185 lbs. After that I took off and began self educating with the internet on bodybuilding, going from 185 to 210 almost 100% LBM increase by age 21. Crazy stretch marks in the shoulders and thighs, all my coworkers thought I was on gear, some still don't believe me when I say I wasn't. In the last year I broke my hand and was set back a few months, now I've just managed to get my strength back and push it a little further than before, but the weight gains aren't what they used to be. I'm a little lighter than before but honestly that 210 was at a higher BF%.

As for weights, I'll log what I use E8D starting at the blast phase of STS in two weeks.

Really something that I've never done is keep track of my weights, when I'm in the gym I go with what feels right and adjust tempo to keep myself in the proper reps. That's gonna change tho, will be logging my weights as soon as I hit the blast phase.

[CHUCKYthentic]

well... good luck man, im keepin an eye on this one for sure

[Monster87]

Can't argue with your base, you're at a better jumping off post than most. Looking forward to seeing how this goes, best of luck.

[BJJ]

Any blood work prior the cycle?

[chuckt12345]

good base,, i will be watching this one.

[yungone501]

Can you please include additional stats with your weight? Good luck man.

[yungone501]

Holy SH*T! EQ only! Just seen that. Wow dude, come on.

[Vitruvian-Man]

I would increase the dosage of EQ and run it for 14 weeks.

10 weeks is not NEARLY enough time.

I would run it 600-700mg each week.

400mg won't do much... trust me. lol. anyone whose run it will tell you, you need A LOT of EQ in you to see results.

Take bloodwork for us after week 8. I remember someone else posting up a thread before of an EQ only cycle, and when they got their BW back it showed that they were not even shut down from producing their own testosterone . EQ is mega mild...

[boxer1]

personally i would run it at least 12wks, but you seem to have it all planned very well, good luck.

[thenextcutler]

added a stats section at bottom of orig post

thanks for the support guys, and advice noted, I'm not opposed to running the EQ longer. This is what was suggested to me by a pro as a start point... that being said at the halfway I'll make a decision whether I will be extending it to 12 or 14 weeks based on when I start to feel the EQ kick in. Likely will leave it at 10 weeks, take the experience gained and run. Then move on to the afore-mentioned test only cycle.

Dose won't be changing... some people get results from 400, and how would I know if I hammered myself with 700 the first time. This cycle isn't for getting earth shattering gains, just sticking my toes in the shallow end.

[thenextcutler]

Take bloodwork for us after week 8. I remember someone else posting up a thread before of an EQ only cycle, and when they got their BW back it showed that they were not even shut down from producing their own testosterone.

I like that idea, only problem is I completely dropped the ball and forgot to get BW done prior to cycling so there is no base for comparison. but the results would be interesting to have to compare to average baselines.

[workoutfreak078]

that being said at the halfway I'll make a decision whether I will be extending it to 12 or 14 weeks based on when I start to feel the EQ kick in.

You won't make a decision halfway because it takes 8 - 10 weeks for the EQ to kick in. You have to extend it 14 - 16 weeks.

Good luck with your log, I'll be keeping an eye on it.

[yungone501]

I like that idea, only problem is I completely dropped the ball and forgot to get BW done prior to cycling so there is no base for comparison. but the results would be interesting to have to compare to average baselines.

Forgot or ignored?

[thenextcutler]

Forgot or ignored?

completely skipped my mind... oh well, if everything started perfect Murphy's Law would surely find me (knock on wood)

[yungone501]

completely skipped my mind... oh well, if everything started perfect Murphy's Law would surely find me (knock on wood)

Ya, but even Murphy's Law assumes all the precautions were taken. You simply just dont care despite all advise given.

[SayIWont21]

yea man i just read my anabolics 9th edition and your better off taking EQ at a higher dose like around 600mg and running it longer, like 14 weeks or so, cause it takes a while for you to notice any results but hey it could work out for you, hope it goes good for you

[PC650]

lookin good bro! deff a better base than most start out at

[thenextcutler]

pin #2 today rotated to left quad. way easier than first one

I'm still having some soreness in my right quad from 4 days ago, but then again I was shaking so bad I probably gave myself an internal tattooo that day! Wouldn't be suprised if a bit of the gear actually ended up sub-q on the right side, but this shouldn't be a problem anymore as today was easy.

No change in preformance yet obviously, I don't expect that for about a month.
No noticeable sides yet.

from now on I will only log E8D when I weigh in unless I am asked a question or I experience something noteworthy.

[shisnitt54]

good luck man...im running eq at the moment too...just did my first pin today, only difference is I added in some test prop! I know what u mean too on the shaking man, did the same shit! Hopefully u dont get that decca dick cuz i heard eq does the same thing but i dunno we'll see! Ima keep my eye on this one!

[Obselite]

I'm actually going to be starting a similar cycle soon, with the addition of a little test prop at the top.

I am curious to see your results. Best of luck and be safe.

[thenextcutler]

pin today, no change in weight still about 203-204. Started creatine loading and using N.O. yesterday, noticed an awesome pump today no doubt from those compounds. Also I expect a few pounds of water to be added in the coming days from the creatine being introduced. Started load/blast phase of STS so after this week I will post a couple key exercises with the weight I used.

On a side note about a half an hour after my pin today I became really irritable and everything just pissed me off, almost like clockwork right after the pin. Maybe a coincidence? I know eq is slow acting. Could also have to do with the proviron I took this morning as I forgot it last night, but that was half a day prior to becoming irritable.

[thenextcutler]

noted increase in acne... more than usual, less than when I used OTC AA.

starting to increase hunger

possibly a minor increase in vascularity, but hardly enough to mention

[thenextcutler]

acne appearing in wierd places like waist band area.

finally started to see a noticeable vascularity increase today

also hunger is definately been increased, last post wasn't sure but now I am

[thenextcutler]

2 weeks in so far

207.5 lbs today, up 4 pounds but that's nothing to get excited about. I could almost write that off as water weight as I just finished loading creatine mono.

slight strength increase on my chest from last week, being able to push out an extra rep in the first set... but I paid for it in the following set by losing a rep so again nothing to get excited about.

vascularity in the gym today was crazy, highest I've ever seen it in my life (and I've taken NO for years)

[Hazard]

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread also.....

Couple questions:

1) Whats your diet like? Don't really need specifics like the hour you eat..... but curious about what your eating and how many calories.

2) Are you taking anything other than NO and Proviron ?

3) Do you plan on running a test only cycle to compare this one to it?

Also, just a word of wisdom..... Don't take everything a pro recommends you as "solid advice" or the absolute "truth"..... My first cycle was Deca only because a bodybuilder recomended it to me just as yours has recomended EQ to you. We all know Deca alone is a pretty solid no-no LOL

Thanks for doing the cycle I guess..... Hope all goes well!

~Haz~

[thenextcutler]

I'll be keeping an eye on this thread also.....

Couple questions:

1) Whats your diet like? Don't really need specifics like the hour you eat..... but curious about what your eating and how many calories.

2) Are you taking anything other than NO and Proviron ?

3) Do you plan on running a test only cycle to compare this one to it?

1) my diet is 380 protein, 450 carb, 100 fat (roughly 4000 cal), which I eat in 6 meals. My job keeps me crazy busy and it's shift work... so I can't keep an hourly meal schedule but I eat a meal every 2-3 hours... depending on when I can take a break. I make sure to keep protein bars and shakes nearby at all times just in case. An example of a meal for me would be 250g chicken and 100g brown rice... or 1.5 cups cottage cheese w/ 2 tbsp canola oil, 1 chopped apple, 450 g brocolli on the side. I some times end up subsituting more shakes than I'd like due to work, but as Nark advised me in another thread that's not the end of the world.

2) I'll just list it all, even the ones that go w/o saying:
multi-vit, b-complex, fish oil, zma, gabba, liv 52, proviron, pre workout NO, creatine mono, and of course EQ

3) absolutely I plan on running a test cycle, that's the next cycle I will be running

I'm not expecting ground shaking gains on this cycle obviously, but by the end of it I will be familiar with EQ and what it does to me. EQ seems to be a compound that I would like to use a lot in the future... and simply including it on a test cycle without using it on its own first doesn't sit well with me. I hope that made sense... anyway I'm keeping an extremely thorough offline hand written journal, and plan on making one with a test only cycle so I can have documentation on how both drugs affect me... and I might even publish a summary of both for comparison in the Q&A thread if people would be interested in the results, but with time off and the test cycle were talking months down the road.

Also, just a word of wisdom..... Don't take everything a pro recommends you as "solid advice" or the absolute "truth"..... My first cycle was Deca only because a bodybuilder recomended it to me just as yours has recomended EQ to you. We all know Deca alone is a pretty solid no-no LOL

no doubt haha, some of the things my source has told me has made me raise my eyebrow... but at the end of the day all that I really stand to lose is time and money, and I'm lucky enough to say neither really concern me at this time. I just hope that I gain a few pounds these coming 6 weeks or I'll look like a total ****tard on this board! Oh well, the pressure of accountability keeps me eating my meals on time

[audis4]

*subscribed, I have never ran EQ and will be interested in your gains

[thenextcutler]

vascularity is quite obvious in both arms and I haven't been to the gym in about 48 hours. (yesterday was a day off and I go to the gym tonight). There is no doubt in my mind this vasc. is from the EQ and seems to be here to stay (for the duration of my cycle)

as for EQ's other favorite symptom, hunger, I've definately noticed that the meals I've always packed for work aren't as satisfying as they used to be... I plan to add another meal in raising the calories to the 4500-4700-ish range.

I would say that the EQ is beginning to take effect as I move in to week three, and suspects within the next few weeks I'll see gains in strength and mass.

[thenextcutler]

211-212 lbs today... I have never weighed more than 213 and I've got 5 weeks left so this is getting exciting, if I break 220 I'll shit my pants

[Hazard]

How many calories are you eating more than normally?

~Haz~

[thenextcutler]

I have to guess here, in the past when I didn't pay attention to calories I'd say I never went below 3500, 3000 on a really bad day. At that amount I don't gain or lose weight. When I follow a strict regimen to try and gain weight my meals are planned for 4000, and I usually end up eating just that amount or a bit more. That's what I'm doing now, 4000. In the past the 4000 has given me steady gains, and I've found anything above 4000 would not increase gains and may only cause a bit of fat gain.

[Hazard]

awesome - keep up the good work

~Haz~

[Monster87]

Pics?

[thenextcutler]

Pics?

I'm gonna have to pass on this request. I am only taking pics before cycle, after cycle, and post pct. This is for the same reason that I only weigh myself once a week, doing these things more frequently is demoralizing. About one more month and I'll have some pics for ya guys!

[thenextcutler]

maybe the high volume workout catching up to me or maybe running aas without test, but I've been a bit lethargic this past week. Luckily im a robot and my gym attendance is unnaggected.

same weight. muscles seem harder and fuller tho. I look bigger in the mirror but don't weigh any more. My chest and shoulders are really prominent in loose clothing

[thenextcutler]

also ive noticed some dryness, both in joints and skin

[ranging1]

hows ur sex drive going on just eq?

[thenextcutler]

its completey fine, absolutely no change. I am taking 25 mg proviron ED tho

[Wayne55]

Looks like its going well for you mate. We await the pics. . .

[thenextcutler]

just got back from xmas vacation (my family lives across the country from me)... was planning to only miss 5-7 days of my gym/diet but ended up going 12 days out with 1 full body workout in there somewhere. Oh well, I'm not a pro BB and spending time with my family for christmas is higher on the priorities... lest I throw myself off a bridge from over-stress

Got back in the gym today full go. Definately have put on a bit of fat over xmas, but can still flex out my abs. Couple weeks left in cycle and I'm gonna make every day count