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    Second cycle with PICS, please dont hesitate comment/critisize/ask questions

    okay well after doing my first cycle and having blood work done ive come out great, and kept almost all my gains

    blood tests were done (thanks to my healthcare system it was free and so was the doctors consultation apointment)

    told my doc i had used steroids so to look for anything that was out of ordinary or not in a safe or desirable range

    EVERYTHING came out in averag range

    only things that were below average was my white cell count, which doesnt fuss me coz all my life its been like that, genetics i guess

    my blood pressure was low, again normal sinc ei was born with it

    sodium levels below average, so he told me to increase my salt intake slightly

    as for psycolically my sex drive is fine, no issues at all

    alwise everything else came out OK

    decided to pursue my second cycle since ive just about finished university exams and think this 3 month summer break would be the best time for me to cycle so it wont interfere with my studies next year, aswell as ill have plently of time to eat, train and rest

    CYCLE consists of

    800mg testerone cyp weekly

    cycle will be 10-12 weeks, shall decide depending on my gains at that time

    both esters will be frontloaded

    STATS
    height 5'11
    bf%11-12 est
    bodyweight 93.8kg
    age: 19

    Strengths

    decline bench press: 130kg, 6 reps
    good mornings: 130kg, 10 reps
    machine lateral raises 127kg, 8 reps<-machine maxed out
    machine squat =215kg, 6 reps
    sqaut: 170kg 10 reps
    45 degree leg press: 760kg, 6 reps
    barbell shoulder press infront: 80kg 10reps
    behind the neck barbell press 85kg 6 reps
    fixed pull down: 155kg, 6 reps
    Lat pull down 117kg 6 reps
    barbell shrugs: 170kg, 13 reps
    deadlift: 230kg, 8 reps
    leg extensions: 137, 11 reps<-machine maxed out
    dumbell rows each arm: 65kg, 5 reps
    calve raise using 45 degree leg press: 450kg, 15 reps
    leg curls 96kg 20 reps <- again machine maxed out
    close grip bench press: 105kg, 6 reps
    seated leg curl: 137, 11 reps< machine maxed out
    stiff leg deadlift 195kg, 10 reps
    incline dumbell press 52kg, 8 reps
    reverse grip curl 40kg, 11 reps
    barbell curl: 55kg, 6 reps
    dumbell chest press: 55kg, 9 reps
    dumbell shoulder press: 46kg, 4 reps
    machine lateral row 95kg, 6 reps
    skull crushers 65kg, 6 reps

    GOALS: strength and size
    gain 6-10kg

    strength goals
    deadlift 250kg 6 reps
    dumbell row 70kg 15 reps
    dumbell chest press 65kg 10 reps
    dumbell shoulder press 50kg each arm
    squat 200kg 10 reps
    machine lateral row 120kg 10 reps
    skull crushers 80kg 8 reps
    dumbell curl 37kg 8 reps
    barbell shrugs 200kg
    lat pull down 137kg 10 reps
    incline dumbell press 62kg 8 reps
    decline press 150kg 6 reps

    other lifts id like to increase aswell but the above are my MAIN GOALS

    im hoping to put on alot more arm size, since my biceps have always been my weakest bodypart aswell as hardest to get growing
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    workout split

    day1: chest
    day2: lats, traps
    day3: legs
    day4: shoulders. triceps (front and middle)
    day5: middle back, rear delts, calves
    day6: biceps, forearms

    rest days are taken when i feel i need them


    sample workout routine, will change ever 3-4 weeks

    chest 10-12 sets sets
    2 set flat bench press
    2 sets dumbell press
    2 sets decline press
    2 sets flat bench
    2 sets dumbell incline press

    lats/traps
    2 sets fixed pull down
    2 sets weighted pull ups
    3 sets barbell shrugs

    legs
    4 sets squats
    3 sets machine squats
    2 sets good mornings
    2 sets seated leg curls
    2 sets leg extensions

    shoulders/ triceps
    2 sets dumbell shoulder press
    2 sets machine shoulder press
    3 sets machine lateral raises
    3 sets skull crushers
    3 sets dumbell hammer grip skull crushers
    2 sets close grip bench press

    middle back/ rear delts/calves
    3 sets dumbell rows
    2-3 sets barbell rows
    2 sets rear delt cable extensions
    3 sets standing calve raises


    biceps/forearms
    3 sets seated dumbell curls
    3 sets barbell curls
    2 sets reverse grip curls


    DIET im not going to post fully since from my first cycles experience i found i was able to adjust and tune my diet effectivaly

    however in brief it will start off looking something like this

    450 carbs
    250-300 grams protein
    60-80 fat

    6-7 meals a day

    will increase and adjust ratios and nutrients depending on how i feel and respond
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    starting pics
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    and more pics

    chucked in a pic of my dinner coz thought it looked yummy lol
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    okay today was first pin

    front loaded both esters


    right delt shot of
    400mg test ethanthate, didnt go to well, seemed to leak alot of blood and it appeared oily

    since second shot didnt go to well im going to probably shoot up again, and make sure i do it properly, im pretty sure its becuase i didnt leave the syringe in long enough that my delt didnt absorb the ester fully

    i also have on hand one vial of prop that im thinking of using to shorten the wait time of the longer acting esters to kick in

    shall c, going to ask some more questions in questions section of this forum to c
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiki View Post
    Nice penis flex
    lol NP

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranging1 View Post
    okay today was first pin

    front loaded both esters

    left delt shot of
    400mg tren , went in fine

    right delt shot of
    400mg test ethanthate, didnt go to well, seemed to leak alot of blood and it appeared oily

    since second shot didnt go to well im going to probably shoot up again, and make sure i do it properly, im pretty sure its becuase i didnt leave the syringe in long enough that my delt didnt absorb the ester fully

    i also have on hand one vial of prop that im thinking of using to shorten the wait time of the longer acting esters to kick in

    shall c, going to ask some more questions in questions section of this forum to c
    first, please don't say "shoot up". Makes me cringe.

    also why would you use prop, if you have already front loaded the long esters? that doesn't make sense.

    anyway, good luck on your cycle. I think it's a bit much for your second run, but whatever...

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    damn bro im hungry now lol food looks good1!!

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    Better than plain tuna,but it does look good mmm

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    Hey bro I'll be following, I'm a Tren noob so I can't offer much advice here

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    Quote Originally Posted by D7M View Post
    first, please don't say "shoot up". Makes me cringe.

    also why would you use prop, if you have already front loaded the long esters? that doesn't make sense.

    anyway, good luck on your cycle. I think it's a bit much for your second run, but whatever...
    x2 I agree w/ everything D7M has mentioned. Especially the part about "shoot-up" we aren't crackheads. we are steroid users

    I don't often condone tren for a 2nd cycle... but what can I say.

    But yah, why wouldn't you just have used prop as the kicker (weeks 1 - 3) @ 50mg ED????

    Kinda late now with the whole front-load plan.

    I guess you could use the prop while you're waiting for the test-e ester to clear your system (backload) = prop (weeks 12 - 14) @ 50mg ED, and then start PCT 3 days after last injection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D7M View Post
    first, please don't say "shoot up". Makes me cringe.

    also why would you use prop, if you have already front loaded the long esters? that doesn't make sense.

    anyway, good luck on your cycle. I think it's a bit much for your second run, but whatever...
    lol aight ill edit it for ya, il use INJECT unless ders a better word on this forum

    just have prop on hand, doesnt mean ill use it, if u think ders no need they i wont use it

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperLift View Post
    damn bro im hungry now lol food looks good1!!
    lol thanks, proud aswell

    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyrv View Post
    Better than plain tuna,but it does look good mmm
    lol yea but dw i eat alot of tuna aswell

    Quote Originally Posted by big_k View Post
    Hey bro I'll be following, I'm a Tren noob so I can't offer much advice here
    its okay, im just logging this coz its like a diary for me, u can just sit n watch, ctitique and comment

    Quote Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man View Post
    x2 I agree w/ everything D7M has mentioned. Especially the part about "shoot-up" we aren't crackheads. we are steroid users

    I don't often condone tren for a 2nd cycle... but what can I say.

    But yah, why wouldn't you just have used prop as the kicker (weeks 1 - 3) @ 50mg ED????

    Kinda late now with the whole front-load plan.

    I guess you could use the prop while you're waiting for the test-e ester to clear your system (backload) = prop (weeks 12 - 14) @ 50mg ED, and then start PCT 3 days after last injection.
    lol alright no use of shoot up anymore, think ill use the prop like u said as a backload, that way come PCT the esters in my system will decline fasterand speeed recovery

    anyways today is a rest day

    will be INJECTING 400mg tren
    200mg testerone to finish my frontload

    heavy workouts and calories will be increased starting monday

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    Looking great!! Good luck!!!!1

    I'll be checkin for the new PICSS!!! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by xnotoriousx View Post
    Looking great!! Good luck!!!!1

    I'll be checkin for the new PICSS!!! LOL
    lol its coz of u and 'tembe' that i remebered to put up starting pics so u can see my progress properly

    dw will be posting pics

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    I followed your first cycle and enjoyed your experience, but now you've done two things wrong.
    First your bloodwork was right after PCT, you know better. At least 2 months after PCT. As a result you jumped on the second cycle way too soon. And lastly you are using tren .
    Oh well good luck, I'll follow up regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aizen Sosuke View Post
    I followed your first cycle and enjoyed your experience, but now you've done two things wrong.
    First your bloodwork was right after PCT, you know better. At least 2 months after PCT. As a result you jumped on the second cycle way too soon. And lastly you are using tren .
    Oh well good luck, I'll follow up regardless.
    i was waiting for someone to recognise all this

    yes ur right about me using tren to early, but after doing alot of reading i think its the compound for me, deca and drol just dont interest me for bulking and my strength goals, winnie just doesnt seem effective aswell as anavar , i found dbol crap and didnt enjoy it and equipose doesnt seem to be a stable steroid since many people dont like it again

    plus its summer here and i dont wanna run 2 aromatising compunds

    so tren it was

    also for bloodwork it was done exactly 2 weeks after PCT, so i did do it a little after atleast, plus wouldve though only estrogen and cortisol levels would be an issue after PCT

    anyways today i trained biceps

    bodyweight 93.3kg

    workout
    1 set dumbell curls
    3 sets barbell curls
    2 sets reverse grip curls
    1 set dumbell preacher curls


    experiencing sore right hand wrist lately so finding it difficult to train biceps since it really hurts, think i might have sprained it

    Strength gains
    barbell curl 55kg 8 reps
    reverse grip curl 40kg, 8 reps

    cant feel anything just yet, but wasnt expecting to

    so far in past 2 days im completed enough to wha i consider anough for a frontload

    750mg trenbelone ethanthate
    400mg testerone ethanthate
    100mg test prop

    using now 100mg of test prop for 1 week EOD just to speed up blood levels rising and for a small early kickstart

    yesterday i shot 100mg prop, 200mg tren in quad, all it went in however today i can barely fuukin walk, waig round like a limp, not fussed though sonce leg days 3 days way

    diet atm hasnt been increased dramticaly calorie wise, will increase it slowly over this week

    by end of the week will have increased calories 500 above maintaince

    atm diet macros are
    240 protein
    430 carbs
    50 fat

    so maintaince atm

    by end of week will look like this approx
    5o0 carbs
    280 protein
    70 fat

    no side effects as of yet, however noticed a small amount of aggression today in the gym
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    okay today was great day

    starting to feel my test kicking in, getting small bloat and puffy face from the frontload

    also sex drive has started to increase, last night was sexting my misses, had to have 4 pulls with the 3 hours, was absolutely ridiculous

    appetite has also increased mildly

    anyways today i trained chest

    body weight 93.4kg

    workout
    2 sets decline
    3 sets bench press
    2 sets dumbell press

    Strength gains
    decline press 140kg, 4 reps

    calories again today were increased by 100

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    Tris looking swole!
    Great information so far.

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    thanks mate, appreciate it

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    okay today was pretty good workout

    bodyweight 93.55kg

    trained lats, rear delts, traps

    workout
    1 set pull downs
    2 sets weighted pull ups
    1 set t bar pull downs
    2 sets machine lateral rows
    3 sets barbell shrugs

    strength gains
    pull down 127kg 4 reps
    t bar pull down 117kg 8 reps
    barbell shrugs same, but since they were at end of my workout i was fatigued

    pretty happy with todays results

    todays diet

    BREAKFAST: 3 cups nutri grain, litre skim milk
    LUNCH: 2 wholegrain sandwiches with chicken breast in each
    snack 1: wholegrain sandwich with smoked tuna, cup nutrigran
    pre workout: scoop no xplode
    post workout: musahi protein shake
    snack 2: wholegrain sandwich with tuna in sprigwater, half cup wheat cereal
    dinner: 3 cups cooked rice, 2 chicken breasts with breadcrumbs in wholemeal role
    Before bed: scoop protein, 500ml skim milk

    side effects so far
    noticing more facial hair growth already (that was fast), begginging to get more acne on my face (particularly my chin, water retention is visible, my face is starting to moon up from the water

    owell

    last night jabbed again, 300mg test cyp,

    friday is next pin, that day and every 3.5th day following will be 200mg test cyp,
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    hey man you re looking good keep up the hard work

    great pics by the way hahaha

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    outa curiosity, whats your pct gonna look like?

    how about on cycle support? adex, hcg , prolactin antoagonists....????

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUCKYthentic View Post
    hey man you re looking good keep up the hard work

    great pics by the way hahaha
    lol thanks man, its only been 3 days but thanks for compliments on starting pics

    Quote Originally Posted by CHUCKYthentic View Post
    outa curiosity, whats your pct gonna look like?

    how about on cycle support? adex, hcg, prolactin antoagonists....????
    PCT gonna be clomid like my previous cycle

    dont believe in using clomid and nolva together, just think its to much

    plus previous cycle i only ran PCT for 3 weeks, i felt recovered after 2 n half pretty well and just felt the anti estrogens will killing my sex drive

    i stopped using them and my sex drive returned and my weight stabalised, plus my strength returned once i discontinued them

    not using HCG since after my last cycle i found my testies dropped back to full size within a week, i feel i recover well from cycles

    adex not using since it suppresses gains, i figured if im gonna spend the money on gear i might aswell put up with the bloat since estrogen is very anabolic and raises IGF, strength and other anabolic hormones

    plus water weight helps make lifting alot easier

    as for prolactin agonists, have cabor on hand incase i feel any sides coming out, alwise not going to use it

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    well hcg is really has some positive benefits, its keeps your LH and FSH still functioning partially which really aids in the recover. dont let "feeling" great fool whats really going on in the inside. just a thought...

    as for the adex or any other AI... adex in small dose on cycle doesnt hinder gains. sounds like you re not gyno prone so on cycle use doesnt seem necessary if you dont want it. BUT at the conclusion of your cycle your estrogen levels will still be above normal and need to be brought back down since your test levels (natural) will be low and estrogen will be high. also you dont want to have a rebound effect

    the use of 1 or 2 SERMs like clomid and nolva can be argued aaaall day. some dont feel they need 2, some dont. clomid has show to be just as if not more effective in restoring LH and FSH. one thing nolva seems to do better is block estrogen from binding to the receptors, also studies have shown it to act similar to an AI

    aromasin in your pct could really be beneficial to you. it will wipe out the excess estrogen as well as slightly help restoring FSH and LH. adex would help too but not with the hormone part. aromasin is a much better AI in pct

    just a few things to think about bro

    anyway happy liftin, grow like a weed!

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    My issue isn't really the use of tren for a second cycle. I'm a believer that it's gonna be harsh whether it's your 2 or 10 cycle. What's really out of order is the rush to cycle again. Bloodwork needs to be done at least 2 months after your pct compounds were stopped. The readings you got were not accurate IMO and you've jumped on tren and test. Clomid alone also doesn't make a pct. You should consider HCG and aromasin .

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUCKYthentic View Post
    well hcg is really has some positive benefits, its keeps your LH and FSH still functioning partially which really aids in the recover. dont let "feeling" great fool whats really going on in the inside. just a thought...

    as for the adex or any other AI... adex in small dose on cycle doesnt hinder gains. sounds like you re not gyno prone so on cycle use doesnt seem necessary if you dont want it. BUT at the conclusion of your cycle your estrogen levels will still be above normal and need to be brought back down since your test levels (natural) will be low and estrogen will be high. also you dont want to have a rebound effect

    the use of 1 or 2 SERMs like clomid and nolva can be argued aaaall day. some dont feel they need 2, some dont. clomid has show to be just as if not more effective in restoring LH and FSH. one thing nolva seems to do better is block estrogen from binding to the receptors, also studies have shown it to act similar to an AI

    aromasin in your pct could really be beneficial to you. it will wipe out the excess estrogen as well as slightly help restoring FSH and LH. adex would help too but not with the hormone part. aromasin is a much better AI in pct

    just a few things to think about bro

    anyway happy liftin, grow like a weed!
    yea am aware of HCG benefits, but thought id skip it, if i find i dotn recover well off this cycle ill have to reasses my future PCTS

    aromasin i actually did want to get but couldnt find a source for it, so bumbed me out

    as for adex, im pretty sure anything that blocks estrogen reduces gains, since estrogen raises IGF, doen fair bit of reading on this board on the subject, 'Merc' i spoke to aswell and he seemed to beleiev aswell that adex suppressed gains even in low dosages

    id say it a gamble or a 50/50 chance it suppresses gains, either way just thought i might aswell put up with the bloat and try get asmany gains as i could get


    Quote Originally Posted by Aizen Sosuke View Post
    My issue isn't really the use of tren for a second cycle. I'm a believer that it's gonna be harsh whether it's your 2 or 10 cycle. What's really out of order is the rush to cycle again. Bloodwork needs to be done at least 2 months after your pct compounds were stopped. The readings you got were not accurate IMO and you've jumped on tren and test. Clomid alone also doesn't make a pct. You should consider HCG and aromasin.
    yea i know i rushed into this, but ive started this cycle so shall c how it goes

    ill be getting blood work done ever 3 weeks on this cycle just to make sure nothing to bad goin on

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    okay today's workout was AWESOME

    trained biceps

    was meant to train legs, but my right quad was still hurting from previous jab, so going to train legs tomorrow instead

    body weight 94.3kg

    workout
    3 sets straight barbell curl
    3 sets dumbbell preacher curls
    1 set reverse grip curls

    have a sore wrist lately so its preventing me from doing a lot of exercises

    Strength gains
    barbell curl 60kg 6 reps
    dumbell preacher curl 25kg 7 reps

    recovery so far feels pretty good, chest barely hurts from 2 days ago workout
    traps from yesterdays workout feel great
    lats and rear delts are a little sore but feeling good considering their workout volume

    looking forward to legs tomorow

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    Damn, seeing these updates is getting me stoked as hell for my cycle!
    Great to hear you're placing some emphasis on strength as well. All too often you get guys with 20" guns who can't even bench 315 lol.
    Anyways, keep up the updates, great job so far!!!

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    lol hope it excites ya
    yea i focus alot on strength, aswell as size
    i wanna be big but same time like u said, i dont wanna be huge and weak as piss
    its just embarressing when u go gym and ur a monster, and then u put on 80 or 90kg on the bench and struggle with it
    wanna be BIG but strong
    dw updates will be kept

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    impressive keep us posted mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boz88 View Post
    impressive, keep us posted mate.
    Please edit out the name boz.

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    lol whos manni? byron?

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    okay today was another GREAt workout

    bodyweight 93.8kg

    trained legs
    4 sets squats
    2 sets machine squats
    1 set seated leg curl

    today i reallt felt strong an energiized and pumped, can definetaly feel my gear has kicked in

    Strength gains
    squat 180kg 7 reps
    machine squat was 185kg 9 reps, however this was my fifth set so i was pretty fatigued
    seated leg curls didnt go to well because my quads injection site were sore from my last jab, so couldnt do seated leg curls properly

    looking forward to tricpes and shoulders tomrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranging1 View Post
    seated leg curls didnt go to well because my quads injection site were sore from my last jab, so couldnt do seated leg curls properly

    looking forward to tricpes and shoulders tomrow
    do you think a lying leg curl would of been a good exercise instead?

    We got similar stats, so I'm excited to see what Tren will do to you. since I am considering using tren in about 8 months. And also comparing and contrasting our lifts. Keep it up bro!


    Also do you usually keep the volume on the lower side? Correct me if I'm wrong looks like a lower volume, higher intensity type of routine, or at least on the lower end of volume.


    Oh and lastly, are you gonna run an AI at all, or only when you see signs of gyno? I Hate moonface

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    I will be following this because im running tren my next cycle.. Good luck bro im sure the tren is gunna kick ur ass!

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    Quote Originally Posted by big_k View Post
    do you think a lying leg curl would of been a good exercise instead?

    We got similar stats, so I'm excited to see what Tren will do to you. since I am considering using tren in about 8 months. And also comparing and contrasting our lifts. Keep it up bro!


    Also do you usually keep the volume on the lower side? Correct me if I'm wrong looks like a lower volume, higher intensity type of routine, or at least on the lower end of volume.


    Oh and lastly, are you gonna run an AI at all, or only when you see signs of gyno? I Hate moonface
    i use to do leg curl but i maxed out my gyms lying leg curl machine so i have to use the seated one since it goes up to 147, lying leg curl only goes up to 96

    my volume is actually ALOT more then what i usually run, i rarely ever do so many sets just because i find i gain much better strength and size keeping my volume low and of course intensity high, now that im running tren ive added 1 or 2 more sets then normal, but its still relatively lower then what most people i c do

    however this level of volume seems to work really well for me, and i dont c the point in risking overtraining when my volume seems to give me great results already

    why risk something thats working for something ur not sure about IMO

    and no im not running an AI since they suppress gains, some people think they dont but i believe they do, and from alot of research its pretty clear they do, estrogen is anabolic , estrogen still raises IGF and improves strength, so id rather reap the benefits of it then risk suppressing its benefits all becuase i cant handle the bloat

    Quote Originally Posted by tbjake34 View Post
    I will be following this because im running tren my next cycle.. Good luck bro im sure the tren is gunna kick ur ass!
    lol thanks mate, hoping the same

    ANYWAYS today was another great workout

    trained shoulders, triceps

    bodyweight 94.4kg

    workout
    2 sets dumbbell shoulder press
    1 set behind the neck press
    2 sets machine lateral raises
    3 sets dumbell hammer grip skull crushers
    2 sets straight bar skull crushers
    2 sets tricep press downs

    ^^ might have done a little to much for my triceps IMO but shall c how recovery goes

    Strength gains
    dumbell shoulder press is back up to 46kg 6 reps
    behind the neck press was 92kg, not my best but it was after my dumbell shoulder press
    machine lateral raises were 129kg, 8 reps machine is maxxed out so im putting plates ontop, the machine seems to be almost breaking lol
    dumbell hammer grips were 25kg, 9 reps
    tricep press downs were 67kg 7 reps

    SIDE EFFECTS
    water retention is becoming more visible, moon face is becoming worse, im getting continuous hot flushes and feel really warm all the time, no sleeping issues yet however my dreams are becoming really really weird

    DIET ATM, im not going into details, i know how to diet
    breakfast: 110 carbs/ 50 protein/ 5 fat
    Lunch: 80 carbs/ 45 protein/ 5 fat
    snack 1: 40 carbs/40 protein/ 5 fat
    snack 2: 40 carbs/40 protein/ 5 fat
    Preworkout: 20 carbs
    post workout: 40 carbs/40 protein/ 2 fat
    dinner: approx 120 carbs/ 60 protein/ 15 fat
    before bed: 15 carbs/ 30 protein/ 2 fat

    TOTALS carbs 445/ protein 305/ fat 40

    im going to increase my calories starting tomorow prob by 300 n c how thats goes, atm i just dont feel im eating enough, prob increase my fat and carb intakes since fat definetaly lacking
    Last edited by ranging1; 11-20-2009 at 10:21 PM. Reason: coz i felt like it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranging1 View Post
    lol whos manni? byron?

    both guys are jerks muhahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by t-gunz View Post
    both guys are jerks muhahaha
    lol ur a gay sydneyian


    anyways today was another GREAT workout

    trained inner back, rear delts, abs

    bodyweight 94.6kg

    workout
    3 sets dumbell rows
    2 sets lateral machine rows
    superset of 40 lying leg raises, 40 double crunches, 40 hanging leg raises, 30 crunches with legs raised

    Strength gains
    dumbell rows 67.5kg 5 reps
    lateral machine row 105kg 5 reps

    happy with todays progress

    triceps from yesterdays workout dont hurt as much as i thought they would

    little soreness but im sure a bigger dinner tonight, and a big protein shake before bed should take care of that

    SUMMARY

    1 week through cycle

    bodyweight 94.6kg+.8kg

    Strengths

    decline bench press: 140kg, 4 reps
    good mornings: 130kg, 10 reps
    machine lateral raises 129kg, 8 reps<-machine maxed out, so stacking weight ontop
    machine squat =215kg, 6 reps
    sqaut: 180kg 7 reps
    45 degree leg press: 760kg, 6 reps
    barbell shoulder press infront: 80kg 10reps
    behind the neck barbell press 92kg 6 reps
    fixed pull down: 155kg, 6 reps
    Lat pull down 127kg 5 reps
    barbell shrugs: 175kg, 13 reps
    deadlift: 230kg, 8 reps
    leg extensions: 137, 11 reps<-machine maxed out
    dumbell rows each arm: 65kg, 5 reps
    calve raise using 45 degree leg press: 450kg, 15 reps
    leg curls 96kg 20 reps <- again machine maxed out
    close grip bench press: 105kg, 8 reps
    seated leg curl: 137, 11 reps< machine maxed out
    stiff leg deadlift 195kg, 10 reps
    incline dumbell press 52kg, 8 reps
    reverse grip curl 40kg, 11 reps
    barbell curl: 60kg, 7 reps
    dumbell chest press: 55kg, 9 reps
    dumbell shoulder press: 46kg, 6 reps
    machine lateral row 105kg, 6 reps
    skull crushers 65kg, 6 reps

    strength gains
    Last edited by ranging1; 12-21-2009 at 11:37 PM.

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    okay today was another great workout

    bodyweight 95.4kg, up 1.8kgs so far,

    today trained biceps

    workout
    1 set barbell curls
    1 set dumbell preacher curls
    4 sets v bar cable curl
    1 set preacher curls

    workout was little messy today because my right arms wrist is really hurting when i curl so think ill be doing more machine and cable work (v bars, preacher machines etc) for awhile till its recovers, im sure my heavy back workouts will stimulate my arms enough

    Strength gains
    barbell curl 60kg, 9 reps
    dumbell preacher curl 25kg, 10 reps
    v bar cable curl 60kg, 6 reps

    Recovery abilities
    triceps a little sore from 2 days ago workout, but do feel really good considering workout volume, back feels good as new from yesterdays workout, only rear delts are a little sore, all other muscles feel great

    Side effects
    getting alot of water retention now, have a moonish face, body looks very watery and puffy and smooth, dont mind though since it does make me appear bigger, just less defined, body hair growth is thicker and faster, starting to get more pimples erhhh.... ,

    diet atm (grams)
    breakfast: 100 carbs, 45 protein, 5 fat
    snack: 30 carbs, 35 protein, 4 fat
    Lunch: 100 carbs, 45 protein, 9 fat
    pre workout: 15 carbs
    post workout: 40 carbs, 45 protein, 2 fat
    snack 2: 50 carbs, 40 protein, 5 fat
    snack 3: 30 carbs, 30 protein, 4 fat
    Dinner: 120-150 carbs, 50 protein, 15 fat<- dinner is always big in my family so have to deal with it
    Before bed: 30 protein, 15 carbs, 2 fat

    totals 460 carbs, 285 protein, 46 fat

    tonight i might up my calorie intake by another 200-300 just to help improve arm recovery

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