Thread: Second cycle with PICS
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11-13-2009, 11:23 PM #1Anabolic Member
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Second cycle with PICS, please dont hesitate comment/critisize/ask questions
okay well after doing my first cycle and having blood work done ive come out great, and kept almost all my gains
blood tests were done (thanks to my healthcare system it was free and so was the doctors consultation apointment)
told my doc i had used steroids so to look for anything that was out of ordinary or not in a safe or desirable range
EVERYTHING came out in averag range
only things that were below average was my white cell count, which doesnt fuss me coz all my life its been like that, genetics i guess
my blood pressure was low, again normal sinc ei was born with it
sodium levels below average, so he told me to increase my salt intake slightly
as for psycolically my sex drive is fine, no issues at all
alwise everything else came out OK
decided to pursue my second cycle since ive just about finished university exams and think this 3 month summer break would be the best time for me to cycle so it wont interfere with my studies next year, aswell as ill have plently of time to eat, train and rest
CYCLE consists of
800mg testerone cyp weekly
cycle will be 10-12 weeks, shall decide depending on my gains at that time
both esters will be frontloaded
STATS
height 5'11
bf%11-12 est
bodyweight 93.8kg
age: 19
Strengths
decline bench press: 130kg, 6 reps
good mornings: 130kg, 10 reps
machine lateral raises 127kg, 8 reps<-machine maxed out
machine squat =215kg, 6 reps
sqaut: 170kg 10 reps
45 degree leg press: 760kg, 6 reps
barbell shoulder press infront: 80kg 10reps
behind the neck barbell press 85kg 6 reps
fixed pull down: 155kg, 6 reps
Lat pull down 117kg 6 reps
barbell shrugs: 170kg, 13 reps
deadlift: 230kg, 8 reps
leg extensions: 137, 11 reps<-machine maxed out
dumbell rows each arm: 65kg, 5 reps
calve raise using 45 degree leg press: 450kg, 15 reps
leg curls 96kg 20 reps <- again machine maxed out
close grip bench press: 105kg, 6 reps
seated leg curl: 137, 11 reps< machine maxed out
stiff leg deadlift 195kg, 10 reps
incline dumbell press 52kg, 8 reps
reverse grip curl 40kg, 11 reps
barbell curl: 55kg, 6 reps
dumbell chest press: 55kg, 9 reps
dumbell shoulder press: 46kg, 4 reps
machine lateral row 95kg, 6 reps
skull crushers 65kg, 6 reps
GOALS: strength and size
gain 6-10kg
strength goals
deadlift 250kg 6 reps
dumbell row 70kg 15 reps
dumbell chest press 65kg 10 reps
dumbell shoulder press 50kg each arm
squat 200kg 10 reps
machine lateral row 120kg 10 reps
skull crushers 80kg 8 reps
dumbell curl 37kg 8 reps
barbell shrugs 200kg
lat pull down 137kg 10 reps
incline dumbell press 62kg 8 reps
decline press 150kg 6 reps
other lifts id like to increase aswell but the above are my MAIN GOALS
im hoping to put on alot more arm size, since my biceps have always been my weakest bodypart aswell as hardest to get growingLast edited by ranging1; 01-14-2010 at 05:23 AM. Reason: i dunno
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11-13-2009, 11:26 PM #2Anabolic Member
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workout split
day1: chest
day2: lats, traps
day3: legs
day4: shoulders. triceps (front and middle)
day5: middle back, rear delts, calves
day6: biceps, forearms
rest days are taken when i feel i need them
sample workout routine, will change ever 3-4 weeks
chest 10-12 sets sets
2 set flat bench press
2 sets dumbell press
2 sets decline press
2 sets flat bench
2 sets dumbell incline press
lats/traps
2 sets fixed pull down
2 sets weighted pull ups
3 sets barbell shrugs
legs
4 sets squats
3 sets machine squats
2 sets good mornings
2 sets seated leg curls
2 sets leg extensions
shoulders/ triceps
2 sets dumbell shoulder press
2 sets machine shoulder press
3 sets machine lateral raises
3 sets skull crushers
3 sets dumbell hammer grip skull crushers
2 sets close grip bench press
middle back/ rear delts/calves
3 sets dumbell rows
2-3 sets barbell rows
2 sets rear delt cable extensions
3 sets standing calve raises
biceps/forearms
3 sets seated dumbell curls
3 sets barbell curls
2 sets reverse grip curls
DIET im not going to post fully since from my first cycles experience i found i was able to adjust and tune my diet effectivaly
however in brief it will start off looking something like this
450 carbs
250-300 grams protein
60-80 fat
6-7 meals a day
will increase and adjust ratios and nutrients depending on how i feel and respondLast edited by ranging1; 12-20-2009 at 10:52 PM.
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11-13-2009, 11:36 PM #3Anabolic Member
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starting pics
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11-13-2009, 11:38 PM #4Anabolic Member
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and more pics
chucked in a pic of my dinner coz thought it looked yummy lol
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11-14-2009, 01:00 AM #5Anabolic Member
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okay today was first pin
front loaded both esters
right delt shot of
400mg test ethanthate, didnt go to well, seemed to leak alot of blood and it appeared oily
since second shot didnt go to well im going to probably shoot up again, and make sure i do it properly, im pretty sure its becuase i didnt leave the syringe in long enough that my delt didnt absorb the ester fully
i also have on hand one vial of prop that im thinking of using to shorten the wait time of the longer acting esters to kick in
shall c, going to ask some more questions in questions section of this forum to cLast edited by ranging1; 12-20-2009 at 10:53 PM.
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11-14-2009, 01:28 AM #6
Nice penis flex
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11-14-2009, 01:41 AM #7Anabolic Member
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11-14-2009, 09:10 AM #9
damn bro im hungry now lol food looks good1!!
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11-14-2009, 11:25 AM #10Associate Member
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Better than plain tuna,but it does look good mmm
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11-14-2009, 01:56 PM #11
Hey bro I'll be following, I'm a Tren noob so I can't offer much advice here
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11-14-2009, 04:46 PM #12Banned
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x2 I agree w/ everything D7M has mentioned. Especially the part about "shoot-up" we aren't crackheads. we are steroid users
I don't often condone tren for a 2nd cycle... but what can I say.
But yah, why wouldn't you just have used prop as the kicker (weeks 1 - 3) @ 50mg ED????
Kinda late now with the whole front-load plan.
I guess you could use the prop while you're waiting for the test-e ester to clear your system (backload) = prop (weeks 12 - 14) @ 50mg ED, and then start PCT 3 days after last injection.
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11-14-2009, 05:23 PM #13Anabolic Member
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lol aight ill edit it for ya, il use INJECT unless ders a better word on this forum
just have prop on hand, doesnt mean ill use it, if u think ders no need they i wont use it
lol thanks, proud aswell
lol yea but dw i eat alot of tuna aswell
its okay, im just logging this coz its like a diary for me, u can just sit n watch, ctitique and comment
lol alright no use of shoot up anymore, think ill use the prop like u said as a backload, that way come PCT the esters in my system will decline fasterand speeed recovery
anyways today is a rest day
will be INJECTING 400mg tren
200mg testerone to finish my frontload
heavy workouts and calories will be increased starting monday
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11-14-2009, 05:45 PM #14
Looking great!! Good luck!!!!1
I'll be checkin for the new PICSS!!! LOL
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11-15-2009, 12:52 AM #15Anabolic Member
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11-15-2009, 10:24 AM #16
I followed your first cycle and enjoyed your experience, but now you've done two things wrong.
First your bloodwork was right after PCT, you know better. At least 2 months after PCT. As a result you jumped on the second cycle way too soon. And lastly you are using tren .
Oh well good luck, I'll follow up regardless.
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11-16-2009, 01:06 AM #17Anabolic Member
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i was waiting for someone to recognise all this
yes ur right about me using tren to early, but after doing alot of reading i think its the compound for me, deca and drol just dont interest me for bulking and my strength goals, winnie just doesnt seem effective aswell as anavar , i found dbol crap and didnt enjoy it and equipose doesnt seem to be a stable steroid since many people dont like it again
plus its summer here and i dont wanna run 2 aromatising compunds
so tren it was
also for bloodwork it was done exactly 2 weeks after PCT, so i did do it a little after atleast, plus wouldve though only estrogen and cortisol levels would be an issue after PCT
anyways today i trained biceps
bodyweight 93.3kg
workout
1 set dumbell curls
3 sets barbell curls
2 sets reverse grip curls
1 set dumbell preacher curls
experiencing sore right hand wrist lately so finding it difficult to train biceps since it really hurts, think i might have sprained it
Strength gains
barbell curl 55kg 8 reps
reverse grip curl 40kg, 8 reps
cant feel anything just yet, but wasnt expecting to
so far in past 2 days im completed enough to wha i consider anough for a frontload
750mg trenbelone ethanthate
400mg testerone ethanthate
100mg test prop
using now 100mg of test prop for 1 week EOD just to speed up blood levels rising and for a small early kickstart
yesterday i shot 100mg prop, 200mg tren in quad, all it went in however today i can barely fuukin walk, waig round like a limp, not fussed though sonce leg days 3 days way
diet atm hasnt been increased dramticaly calorie wise, will increase it slowly over this week
by end of the week will have increased calories 500 above maintaince
atm diet macros are
240 protein
430 carbs
50 fat
so maintaince atm
by end of week will look like this approx
5o0 carbs
280 protein
70 fat
no side effects as of yet, however noticed a small amount of aggression today in the gymLast edited by ranging1; 11-16-2009 at 01:11 AM.
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11-17-2009, 12:18 AM #18Anabolic Member
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okay today was great day
starting to feel my test kicking in, getting small bloat and puffy face from the frontload
also sex drive has started to increase, last night was sexting my misses, had to have 4 pulls with the 3 hours, was absolutely ridiculous
appetite has also increased mildly
anyways today i trained chest
body weight 93.4kg
workout
2 sets decline
3 sets bench press
2 sets dumbell press
Strength gains
decline press 140kg, 4 reps
calories again today were increased by 100
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11-17-2009, 02:37 AM #19
Tris looking swole!
Great information so far.
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thanks mate, appreciate it
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11-18-2009, 12:33 AM #21Anabolic Member
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okay today was pretty good workout
bodyweight 93.55kg
trained lats, rear delts, traps
workout
1 set pull downs
2 sets weighted pull ups
1 set t bar pull downs
2 sets machine lateral rows
3 sets barbell shrugs
strength gains
pull down 127kg 4 reps
t bar pull down 117kg 8 reps
barbell shrugs same, but since they were at end of my workout i was fatigued
pretty happy with todays results
todays diet
BREAKFAST: 3 cups nutri grain, litre skim milk
LUNCH: 2 wholegrain sandwiches with chicken breast in each
snack 1: wholegrain sandwich with smoked tuna, cup nutrigran
pre workout: scoop no xplode
post workout: musahi protein shake
snack 2: wholegrain sandwich with tuna in sprigwater, half cup wheat cereal
dinner: 3 cups cooked rice, 2 chicken breasts with breadcrumbs in wholemeal role
Before bed: scoop protein, 500ml skim milk
side effects so far
noticing more facial hair growth already (that was fast), begginging to get more acne on my face (particularly my chin, water retention is visible, my face is starting to moon up from the water
owell
last night jabbed again, 300mg test cyp,
friday is next pin, that day and every 3.5th day following will be 200mg test cyp,Last edited by ranging1; 12-20-2009 at 10:53 PM.
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11-18-2009, 02:26 AM #22
hey man you re looking good keep up the hard work
great pics by the way hahaha
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11-18-2009, 02:28 AM #23
outa curiosity, whats your pct gonna look like?
how about on cycle support? adex, hcg , prolactin antoagonists....????
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11-18-2009, 04:16 AM #24Anabolic Member
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lol thanks man, its only been 3 days but thanks for compliments on starting pics
PCT gonna be clomid like my previous cycle
dont believe in using clomid and nolva together, just think its to much
plus previous cycle i only ran PCT for 3 weeks, i felt recovered after 2 n half pretty well and just felt the anti estrogens will killing my sex drive
i stopped using them and my sex drive returned and my weight stabalised, plus my strength returned once i discontinued them
not using HCG since after my last cycle i found my testies dropped back to full size within a week, i feel i recover well from cycles
adex not using since it suppresses gains, i figured if im gonna spend the money on gear i might aswell put up with the bloat since estrogen is very anabolic and raises IGF, strength and other anabolic hormones
plus water weight helps make lifting alot easier
as for prolactin agonists, have cabor on hand incase i feel any sides coming out, alwise not going to use it
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11-18-2009, 10:08 AM #25
well hcg is really has some positive benefits, its keeps your LH and FSH still functioning partially which really aids in the recover. dont let "feeling" great fool whats really going on in the inside. just a thought...
as for the adex or any other AI... adex in small dose on cycle doesnt hinder gains. sounds like you re not gyno prone so on cycle use doesnt seem necessary if you dont want it. BUT at the conclusion of your cycle your estrogen levels will still be above normal and need to be brought back down since your test levels (natural) will be low and estrogen will be high. also you dont want to have a rebound effect
the use of 1 or 2 SERMs like clomid and nolva can be argued aaaall day. some dont feel they need 2, some dont. clomid has show to be just as if not more effective in restoring LH and FSH. one thing nolva seems to do better is block estrogen from binding to the receptors, also studies have shown it to act similar to an AI
aromasin in your pct could really be beneficial to you. it will wipe out the excess estrogen as well as slightly help restoring FSH and LH. adex would help too but not with the hormone part. aromasin is a much better AI in pct
just a few things to think about bro
anyway happy liftin, grow like a weed!
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11-18-2009, 01:42 PM #26
My issue isn't really the use of tren for a second cycle. I'm a believer that it's gonna be harsh whether it's your 2 or 10 cycle. What's really out of order is the rush to cycle again. Bloodwork needs to be done at least 2 months after your pct compounds were stopped. The readings you got were not accurate IMO and you've jumped on tren and test. Clomid alone also doesn't make a pct. You should consider HCG and aromasin .
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yea am aware of HCG benefits, but thought id skip it, if i find i dotn recover well off this cycle ill have to reasses my future PCTS
aromasin i actually did want to get but couldnt find a source for it, so bumbed me out
as for adex, im pretty sure anything that blocks estrogen reduces gains, since estrogen raises IGF, doen fair bit of reading on this board on the subject, 'Merc' i spoke to aswell and he seemed to beleiev aswell that adex suppressed gains even in low dosages
id say it a gamble or a 50/50 chance it suppresses gains, either way just thought i might aswell put up with the bloat and try get asmany gains as i could get
yea i know i rushed into this, but ive started this cycle so shall c how it goes
ill be getting blood work done ever 3 weeks on this cycle just to make sure nothing to bad goin on
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okay today's workout was AWESOME
trained biceps
was meant to train legs, but my right quad was still hurting from previous jab, so going to train legs tomorrow instead
body weight 94.3kg
workout
3 sets straight barbell curl
3 sets dumbbell preacher curls
1 set reverse grip curls
have a sore wrist lately so its preventing me from doing a lot of exercises
Strength gains
barbell curl 60kg 6 reps
dumbell preacher curl 25kg 7 reps
recovery so far feels pretty good, chest barely hurts from 2 days ago workout
traps from yesterdays workout feel great
lats and rear delts are a little sore but feeling good considering their workout volume
looking forward to legs tomorow
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11-19-2009, 03:29 AM #29
Damn, seeing these updates is getting me stoked as hell for my cycle!
Great to hear you're placing some emphasis on strength as well. All too often you get guys with 20" guns who can't even bench 315 lol.
Anyways, keep up the updates, great job so far!!!
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lol hope it excites ya
yea i focus alot on strength, aswell as size
i wanna be big but same time like u said, i dont wanna be huge and weak as piss
its just embarressing when u go gym and ur a monster, and then u put on 80 or 90kg on the bench and struggle with it
wanna be BIG but strong
dw updates will be kept
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11-19-2009, 06:42 AM #31
impressive keep us posted mate.
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11-19-2009, 07:52 PM #33Anabolic Member
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lol whos manni? byron?
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okay today was another GREAt workout
bodyweight 93.8kg
trained legs
4 sets squats
2 sets machine squats
1 set seated leg curl
today i reallt felt strong an energiized and pumped, can definetaly feel my gear has kicked in
Strength gains
squat 180kg 7 reps
machine squat was 185kg 9 reps, however this was my fifth set so i was pretty fatigued
seated leg curls didnt go to well because my quads injection site were sore from my last jab, so couldnt do seated leg curls properly
looking forward to tricpes and shoulders tomrow
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11-20-2009, 08:36 AM #35
do you think a lying leg curl would of been a good exercise instead?
We got similar stats, so I'm excited to see what Tren will do to you. since I am considering using tren in about 8 months. And also comparing and contrasting our lifts. Keep it up bro!
Also do you usually keep the volume on the lower side? Correct me if I'm wrong looks like a lower volume, higher intensity type of routine, or at least on the lower end of volume.
Oh and lastly, are you gonna run an AI at all, or only when you see signs of gyno? I Hate moonface
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11-20-2009, 09:48 AM #36
I will be following this because im running tren my next cycle.. Good luck bro im sure the tren is gunna kick ur ass!
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i use to do leg curl but i maxed out my gyms lying leg curl machine so i have to use the seated one since it goes up to 147, lying leg curl only goes up to 96
my volume is actually ALOT more then what i usually run, i rarely ever do so many sets just because i find i gain much better strength and size keeping my volume low and of course intensity high, now that im running tren ive added 1 or 2 more sets then normal, but its still relatively lower then what most people i c do
however this level of volume seems to work really well for me, and i dont c the point in risking overtraining when my volume seems to give me great results already
why risk something thats working for something ur not sure about IMO
and no im not running an AI since they suppress gains, some people think they dont but i believe they do, and from alot of research its pretty clear they do, estrogen is anabolic , estrogen still raises IGF and improves strength, so id rather reap the benefits of it then risk suppressing its benefits all becuase i cant handle the bloat
lol thanks mate, hoping the same
ANYWAYS today was another great workout
trained shoulders, triceps
bodyweight 94.4kg
workout
2 sets dumbbell shoulder press
1 set behind the neck press
2 sets machine lateral raises
3 sets dumbell hammer grip skull crushers
2 sets straight bar skull crushers
2 sets tricep press downs
^^ might have done a little to much for my triceps IMO but shall c how recovery goes
Strength gains
dumbell shoulder press is back up to 46kg 6 reps
behind the neck press was 92kg, not my best but it was after my dumbell shoulder press
machine lateral raises were 129kg, 8 reps machine is maxxed out so im putting plates ontop, the machine seems to be almost breaking lol
dumbell hammer grips were 25kg, 9 reps
tricep press downs were 67kg 7 reps
SIDE EFFECTS
water retention is becoming more visible, moon face is becoming worse, im getting continuous hot flushes and feel really warm all the time, no sleeping issues yet however my dreams are becoming really really weird
DIET ATM, im not going into details, i know how to diet
breakfast: 110 carbs/ 50 protein/ 5 fat
Lunch: 80 carbs/ 45 protein/ 5 fat
snack 1: 40 carbs/40 protein/ 5 fat
snack 2: 40 carbs/40 protein/ 5 fat
Preworkout: 20 carbs
post workout: 40 carbs/40 protein/ 2 fat
dinner: approx 120 carbs/ 60 protein/ 15 fat
before bed: 15 carbs/ 30 protein/ 2 fat
TOTALS carbs 445/ protein 305/ fat 40
im going to increase my calories starting tomorow prob by 300 n c how thats goes, atm i just dont feel im eating enough, prob increase my fat and carb intakes since fat definetaly lackingLast edited by ranging1; 11-20-2009 at 10:21 PM. Reason: coz i felt like it
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lol ur a gay sydneyian
anyways today was another GREAT workout
trained inner back, rear delts, abs
bodyweight 94.6kg
workout
3 sets dumbell rows
2 sets lateral machine rows
superset of 40 lying leg raises, 40 double crunches, 40 hanging leg raises, 30 crunches with legs raised
Strength gains
dumbell rows 67.5kg 5 reps
lateral machine row 105kg 5 reps
happy with todays progress
triceps from yesterdays workout dont hurt as much as i thought they would
little soreness but im sure a bigger dinner tonight, and a big protein shake before bed should take care of that
SUMMARY
1 week through cycle
bodyweight 94.6kg+.8kg
Strengths
decline bench press: 140kg, 4 reps
good mornings: 130kg, 10 reps
machine lateral raises 129kg, 8 reps<-machine maxed out, so stacking weight ontop
machine squat =215kg, 6 reps
sqaut: 180kg 7 reps
45 degree leg press: 760kg, 6 reps
barbell shoulder press infront: 80kg 10reps
behind the neck barbell press 92kg 6 reps
fixed pull down: 155kg, 6 reps
Lat pull down 127kg 5 reps
barbell shrugs: 175kg, 13 reps
deadlift: 230kg, 8 reps
leg extensions: 137, 11 reps<-machine maxed out
dumbell rows each arm: 65kg, 5 reps
calve raise using 45 degree leg press: 450kg, 15 reps
leg curls 96kg 20 reps <- again machine maxed out
close grip bench press: 105kg, 8 reps
seated leg curl: 137, 11 reps< machine maxed out
stiff leg deadlift 195kg, 10 reps
incline dumbell press 52kg, 8 reps
reverse grip curl 40kg, 11 reps
barbell curl: 60kg, 7 reps
dumbell chest press: 55kg, 9 reps
dumbell shoulder press: 46kg, 6 reps
machine lateral row 105kg, 6 reps
skull crushers 65kg, 6 reps
strength gainsLast edited by ranging1; 12-21-2009 at 11:37 PM.
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okay today was another great workout
bodyweight 95.4kg, up 1.8kgs so far,
today trained biceps
workout
1 set barbell curls
1 set dumbell preacher curls
4 sets v bar cable curl
1 set preacher curls
workout was little messy today because my right arms wrist is really hurting when i curl so think ill be doing more machine and cable work (v bars, preacher machines etc) for awhile till its recovers, im sure my heavy back workouts will stimulate my arms enough
Strength gains
barbell curl 60kg, 9 reps
dumbell preacher curl 25kg, 10 reps
v bar cable curl 60kg, 6 reps
Recovery abilities
triceps a little sore from 2 days ago workout, but do feel really good considering workout volume, back feels good as new from yesterdays workout, only rear delts are a little sore, all other muscles feel great
Side effects
getting alot of water retention now, have a moonish face, body looks very watery and puffy and smooth, dont mind though since it does make me appear bigger, just less defined, body hair growth is thicker and faster, starting to get more pimples erhhh.... ,
diet atm (grams)
breakfast: 100 carbs, 45 protein, 5 fat
snack: 30 carbs, 35 protein, 4 fat
Lunch: 100 carbs, 45 protein, 9 fat
pre workout: 15 carbs
post workout: 40 carbs, 45 protein, 2 fat
snack 2: 50 carbs, 40 protein, 5 fat
snack 3: 30 carbs, 30 protein, 4 fat
Dinner: 120-150 carbs, 50 protein, 15 fat<- dinner is always big in my family so have to deal with it
Before bed: 30 protein, 15 carbs, 2 fat
totals 460 carbs, 285 protein, 46 fat
tonight i might up my calorie intake by another 200-300 just to help improve arm recovery
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