A 16-week mass+cut cycle, need some advices.

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03-08-2010, 03:45 PM
mrfoxwolf

An 18-week mass+cut cycle, need some advices.

I am 184lb 1.75m height
bf 17-18% (as i think, gonna post pics soon, i was naturally bulking since october)
lifting experience - 2 years
experience of training - 4 years

CYCLE:
My cycle is going to look like this: 18 weeks, 2 phases (bulk 1-10, cut 11-18)

Bulking phase:
week1 test E 500mg, D-anabol 30mg ED
week2 test E 500mg, D-anabol 30mg ED
week3 test E 500mg, D-anabol 30mg ED
week4 test E 500mg, D-anabol 30mg ED
week5 test E 500mg
week6 test E 500mg
week7 test E 500mg
week8 test E 500mg
week9 test E 500mg
week10 test E 500mg
week11
Cutting phase:
week12 test prop 75mg ED + T3 + Clen
week13 test prop 75mg ED + T3 + Clen
week14 test prop 75mg ED + T3
week15 test prop 75mg ED stanozolol 50mg/ED + T3
week16 test prop 75mg ED stanozolol 50mg/ED + T3 + Clen
week17 stanozolol 50mg/ED + T3 + Clen
week18 stanozolol 50mg/ED

PCT 3 weeks - Clomid\Nolva\HCG

T3 cycle looks like this (in mcg)

Days 1-3 25
Days 4-6 50
Days 7-9 75
Days 11-33 100
Days 34-36 75
Days 37-39 50
Days 40-42 25

In case of estrogen side effects (including gyno symptoms) extra nolva on hand.

DIET:

Diet is fully natural, NO protein powders at all. Mostly chicken breasts + complex carbs(oatmeal, brown rice, pasta, buckweat) througout the day - 6 meals.
Something like:

1 - chicken breast, complex carbs
2 - chicken breast, complex carbs
3 - chicken breast, complex carbs
4 - chicken breast, complex carbs
5 - chicken breast, veggies
6 - curd \ chicken breast

Extra meal immidiately after workout - around 100g of sweets

Diet while bulking:
3100kkal
250g protein 300g carbs 100g fat

Diet while cutting:
2300kkal
250g protein 200g carbs 60g fat

Supplements:
Ast Multi x32 2tab ED
pre-wo booster (Nano Vapor or Xpand Xtreme)
Amino Acids throughout the day (on cutting phase only)

What can I do better? What should I change in my program?
I heard that cutting before bulking cycle is necessary. So, maybe I should swap phases?
03-08-2010, 06:04 PM
Reaver.

How old are you? and is this your first cycle?
03-08-2010, 09:29 PM
Kibble

So you are going to eat pounds of chicken every day? I feel as if you do not know much about diet, seeing as how you say
Chicken and complex carbs. What do you consider complex carbs?

Your cycle is way too long. You are running an 18 week cycle with a 3 week pct. Your pct should be much longer than 3 weeks. With an extended cycle like that I would do at least 6 weeks for pct.

Stay away from NO Xplode when you are running Winistrol, T3 and Clen. You are asking for terrible blood pressure related sides.

You are 18%bf. You will be over 20% when you bulk before you start your 'cutting' phase. Winistrol will destroy your lipids.

There is so much more to say here.... I am overwhelmed lol
03-08-2010, 10:10 PM
mrfoxwolf

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaver.

How old are you? and is this your first cycle?

23. Yes. I was reading about steroids last few months and talked to people, who use them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigKuntry1984

So you are going to eat pounds of chicken every day? I feel as if you do not know much about diet, seeing as how you say
Chicken and complex carbs. What do you consider complex carbs?

Yes, exactly, abound 2lb per day. This scheme works for me quite well. Few times a week I swap it to fish. I get fats mostly from fish, olive oil and nuts.

I already wrote about carbs in first post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrfoxwolf

complex carbs(oatmeal, brown rice, pasta, buckweat)

I've read "Tom Venuto's Burn Fat, Feed the Muscle" and his diet plan seemed to be 100% working for me (I had a successful experience of losing 7kg of fat last summer without loss in strength)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigKuntry1984

Your cycle is way too long. You are running an 18 week cycle with a 3 week pct. Your pct should be much longer than 3 weeks. With an extended cycle like that I would do at least 6 weeks for pct.

Stay away from NO Xplode when you are running Winistrol, T3 and Clen. You are asking for terrible blood pressure related sides.

Thanks! That's a quite useful info. But some people insist that 3-4 weeks of PCT is OK even for a long cycle. That's not my opinion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigKuntry1984

You are 18%bf. You will be over 20% when you bulk before you start your 'cutting' phase. Winistrol will destroy your lipids.

So? What can I do better here? Should I cut a bit before cycle or what? Maybe I should choose other "pills" for cycle? At the moment I have only Test E and D-anabol + Nolva. Gonna buy everything I need when I start cycle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigKuntry1984

There is so much more to say here.... I am overwhelmed lol

Well, it would be nice to hear more from you. I am here to listen to people, who have an experience and make right decisions ;)
03-09-2010, 04:51 AM
Reaver.

Thats wayyyyyy too much for a first cycle bro.
03-09-2010, 05:20 AM
stevey_6t9

yeh to much first cyle mate

test e 500mg weeks 1-12
winny 50mg ed wk 8-12
03-09-2010, 05:30 AM
mrfoxwolf

Why too much? I have a T3\Clen experience.
Doses aren't high enough to start panic.
What's the point in Test E 1-12? I'll have to do a PCT and wait few months until second cycle. Also my bf% will grow to 20-21% during bulking.
So what's the point of being fat until the end of summer if I can avoid it?
03-09-2010, 07:06 PM
Kibble

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrfoxwolf

23. Yes. I was reading about steroids last few months and talked to people, who use them.

Yes, exactly, abound 2lb per day. This scheme works for me quite well. Few times a week I swap it to fish. I get fats mostly from fish, olive oil and nuts.

I already wrote about carbs in first post:

I've read "Tom Venuto's Burn Fat, Feed the Muscle" and his diet plan seemed to be 100% working for me (I had a successful experience of losing 7kg of fat last summer without loss in strength)

Thanks! That's a quite useful info. But some people insist that 3-4 weeks of PCT is OK even for a long cycle. That's not my opinion.

So? What can I do better here? Should I cut a bit before cycle or what? Maybe I should choose other "pills" for cycle? At the moment I have only Test E and D-anabol + Nolva. Gonna buy everything I need when I start cycle.

Well, it would be nice to hear more from you. I am here to listen to people, who have an experience and make right decisions ;)

No no no no. You need to buy everything BEFORE cycle
03-10-2010, 12:50 AM
mrfoxwolf

I have a straight access to few dealers, so that won't be a problem :aaGreen22
03-10-2010, 02:52 AM
terraj

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevey_6t9

yeh to much first cyle mate

test e 500mg weeks 1-12
winny 50mg ed wk 8-12

Hey Stevey.....I read that you were natty right?
03-11-2010, 12:02 PM
mrfoxwolf

So, guys? Any advices?