Looking to go for another run. HELP ME RUN

[MICHAELD17]

I'm new to the forum. I have used it to look up info on gear before. Read my post and give me any info you can. I'm looking to get going on my project around the first of the month.

So I started working out 3 years ago started really getting into it about a year and a half ago. My first experience with a test product was extreme tren. Really didn't know what that would do to me. I gained 25lbs in 4 weeks. I learned a little about eating "clean". I did my first gear run about 6 weeks after that. I ran sust at 500 mg a week with Eq at 300mg a week. Then I ran test cyp at 500mg a week with 400 mg of eq. I ended the last 4 weeks with 30mg of anavar a day.

So now it's been a year and I'm looking to go back for another run. My Girlfriend and I broke up and she didn't like me beasting out. So here I'am. I was going to go back on another 500cyp and 300 eq a week. But I want to make sure I get some good bang for my buck. It will be human grade and is a little more expensive than the kind mexican bull sperm I have used before.

My current weight is 205 I'm 5'10 and I believe my body fat is around 18-20%.
I've been doing alot more cardio of late (6weeks) so it may have went down. My pants are a little more baggy. I also have seen more deffintion in my body over the last month. I lost 10lbs and have cut my diet to about 1600 cals a day and I currently eat about 120 grams of protein plus 3 shakes 60 grams and maybe 80 grams of carbs.

I plan on doing a cleanse next week (I just quite smokeing) So I just want to detox and flush out try an get under 200 and go from there.

On my new program..I'm trying to eat about 2,200 cals a day with 200grams of real food protein (Plus shakes) with about 100grams of carbs and 25grams of fat. Maybe less on the fat. I know you all will have your ideas of my diet. They will be takeing into accout.

So my question is what cycle should I do?? Give me some Ideas.

[Noles12]

age?

Are you trying to cut or trying to bulk. I wasnt sure with the information in the post

[Morgoth]

What do you mean when you say you are going to do a 'celanse'?

[MICHAELD17]

My age is 28... The account of my body fat from Fitday.com is 29% don't really know how true that is. Cleanse: I'm doing meal replacment shakes for 7 days. Small meal in the morning shake for lunch snack and then a shake for dinner. There is some vitamin packs and shit with it. I know a couple people who have done it and they have lost between 5-10 lbs in a week.

[MICHAELD17]

I dont know if I'm trying to bulk or cutt. I would like to cut.

[MICHAELD17]

Help!!!!

[nycap]

why cut if your only 205? get big as hell man! for starters just try this, i guaruntee you will like it: sustanon 250, 2 shots monday and 2 shots thursday. dbol 50mgs everytime you lift (should be 5 times a week). do this for 6 weeks on and 6 weeks off. no anti estrogens and no pct. you will get strong as hell.

[wanabeMASSIVE!]

why cut if your only 205? get big as hell man! for starters just try this, i guaruntee you will like it: sustanon 250, 2 shots monday and 2 shots thursday. dbol 50mgs everytime you lift (should be 5 times a week). do this for 6 weeks on and 6 weeks off. no anti estrogens and no pct. you will get strong as hell.

I think u mean week 1-6 with 1000mg sust
week 1-4 50mg dbol ed.
week 8-12 nolva + clomid. To keep gains and restore natural test levels.

If u did it like that you will be alot stronger than what u r.

However i would run sust for 1-8 weeks...

[j4ever41]

he needs to cut because he is 18-20% bf,no ai?no pct?6weeks on 6weeks off?LOL

[nycap]

Well everyone has different goals. If you like posing and all that then this is not for you because you will get fat. But if you want strength then you can’t beat it, period. See I play judo and jiu -itsu so once you’re over 220 there’s no more weight class. Benching four plates and squatting six plates twenty times is a minimum requirement in the over 220 class. You don’t need pct because your balls never shrink and your body returns to homeostasis for two out of twelve weeks. Then you start it over until you get to where you want. I was squatting 405 twelve times; I mean my legs got so big I had to stop taking the gear so I could fit my legs into a pair of jeans! You never see anything like that with those 16 week primo deca tren cycles. I mean I have I tried a lot of stuff and I will never waste my money again all those designer drug sand complicated cycles that cost a fortune when they don’t do anything to increase aggression, strength or endurance. I do use HCG and Nolvadex when I want stop.

[Noles12]

Well everyone has different goals. If you like posing and all that then this is not for you because you will get fat. But if you want strength then you can’t beat it, period. See I play judo and jiu -itsu so once you’re over 220 there’s no more weight class. Benching four plates and squatting six plates twenty times is a minimum requirement in the over 220 class. You don’t need pct because your balls never shrink and your body returns to homeostasis for two out of twelve weeks. Then you start it over until you get to where you want. I was squatting 405 twelve times; I mean my legs got so big I had to stop taking the gear so I could fit my legs into a pair of jeans! You never see anything like that with those 16 week primo deca tren cycles. I mean I have I tried a lot of stuff and I will never waste my money again all those designer drug sand complicated cycles that cost a fortune when they don’t do anything to increase aggression, strength or endurance. I do use HCG and Nolvadex when I want stop.

Please stop trying to give advice it is ridiculous. You just said to take 2 hots of sust on monday and thursday. What does that mean? Are you saying he should shoot 500 mg in each shot only twice a week?

If so please do not advice others to do this

[nycap]

two amps of sustanon twice a week. yes 500mgs sustanon monday and 500 thursday. 1000 mgs per week. 50mgs dbol before every work out. is that clear enough for you to understand?

and Noles12 if you never did a 1000mg a week test and dbol cycle then you are one who shouldnt post here.

[stevey_6t9]

agreed. not good advice

[j4ever41]

2nd cycle he dont need 1000mg a week,dont do that OP

[nycap]

1000mg per week isn’t even that high. You base your cycle with test no matter what and then add the less estrogenic stuff to avoid sides. what i said is exactly what a beginner should be doing. Sustanon and dbol. You cannot get more strength on a per dollar basis with anything else. And Ive taken almost everything. If your saying a beginner should be doing all those designer drugs then you must be trying to sell this stuff for these UG labs.

And whats the point of taking this stuff in first place? To get big as hell and have strength way past your natural ability? or do you want to take it like a vitamin a pretend that its not bad for you? lets face it this stuff is NOT GOOD FOR YOU and theres no way around it. so why not do what gets you there the fastest? and with short cycles (6 weeks on 6 weeks off) the HPTA never shuts down anyway. so whats better? taking 400 mg a week deca for 6 months which will screw up your homeostasis and leave a foreign hormone lingering in your body for another 6 months (not to mention cost a fortune)?

See I want to be strong as an ox, play my sports, and bang my wife like a teenager. If you want to LOOK strong and be skinny then stay on deca/primo/whatever forever and take lasix before you go to the beach.

[Noles12]

1000mg per week isn’t even that highIN TERMS OF A SECOND CYLCE, YES THIS IS HIGH. I HAVE RUN SUST AT 750mg PER WEEK WITH 60 MG OF DBOL AND SAW GREAT GAINS BUT IT WAS STUPID TO EVEN GO THAT HIGH. IF IT TAKES YOU 1000 MG OF TEST TO GROW THEN YOUR DIET AND/OR TRAINING HAS SOME SERIOUS ISSUES.. You base your cycle with test no matter what and then add the less estrogenic stuff to avoid sides. what i said is exactly what a beginner should be doing. Sustanon and dbol. If you saying a beginner should be doing all those designer drugs then you must be trying to sell this stuff for these UG labs.WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT DESIGNER DRUGS? You cannot get more strength on a per dollar basis with anything else. And Ive taken almost everything. And whats the point of taking this stuff in first place? To get big as hell and have strength way past your genetic ability? or do you want to take it like a vitamin a pretend that its not bad for you? lets face it this stuff is NOT GOOD FOR YOU and theres no way around it. so why not do what gets you there the fastest? and with short cycles (6 weeks on 6 weeks off) the HPTA never shuts down anyway.IM NOT SURE WHERE YOU HEARD THIS BECAUSE THAT IS NOT TRUE so whats better? taking 400 mg a week deca for 6 months which will screw up your homeostasis and leave a foreign hormone lingering in your body for another 6 months?nO ONE ADVISED HIM TO RUN DECA ALONE FOR 6 MONTHS.

See I want to be strong as an ox, play my sports, and bang my wife like a teenager. If you want to LOOK strong and be skinny then stay on deca/primo/whatever forever and take lasix before you go to the beach.

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[Kiki]

this thread is retarded.

So with this "cleanse", you're consuming shakes for all your meals and you want to use AAS?

no comment

[j4ever41]

you are not reading what anybody post so where are you coming up with this crap? i have not suggested anything to the OP except for not to take 1000mg per week! how do you know what i have taken ?how do you know what i look like?i would love to know what % of peeps come on here with all this hyped up attitude that they are going to take aas and run a some cycles and where they will be a few years down the road? probably no where because they dont know how to eat properly! they dont know the life style! they dont know determination! they dont no sacrifice! they dont know consistency! they dont know patience!

[rootsnatty]

Ok, the arguing isn't helping our buddy out here. Nycap, you and I see pretty eye to eye on this AAS thing I think, but, just in the interest of safety, I think PCT should be added to ALL cycles. It's not that expensive and many times just some nolvadex will do the trick, especially in these first, low-dose cycles. My second cycle was 600mg test cypionate every week for twelve weeks and 100mg anadrol every day for the first five or six weeks. Oh, I used deca @ 500 per week too. I did this without PCT and wished I wouldn't have. I got great gains and then lost nearly all of them post cycle. Also, I hate deca. Nothing shut me down worse or had such a negative impact on my sex drive. I'm currently running tren with my test and I'm horny as f**k.

But for some cycle advice: I'd run like 500-750 test enanthate or cypionate, maybe even sust but I've never tried it, and, if you want, throw in some equipoise at 300-400 per week if you want to add even more lean mass without the sides of testosterone (at least not as severe). Dbol or anadrol should be used to kickstart the process too. If you don't get any sides (I never do) then anadrol is the way to go from experience. Use your cycle to build muscle and slowly cut down to your ideal body fat through good diet and training habits. Good habit building will give you a way better appearance than a bunch of rapid steroid bulking and cutting and be much safer and easier on your body as well.

Good luck and get big.

[nycap]

i mean what are we doing roids for? so we can eat like birds spending hours in the gym watching ourselves do bicepts in the mirror and show our abs to each other? i wanna get strong and do something with it. and you CAN do 6 weeks on 6 weeks off without your balls shrinking, ive done it. so as soon as you try it you can tell me how it works. and dude when you can put 6 plates on the bar and rep it 20 times in the bucket then you can tell me about determination and dedication.

[j4ever41]

fisrst off if you read correctly i have stated nothing towards you personally i am making a general statement about ALOT of people that come onto this board, but i would imagine that i could teach alot about determination,dedication and sacrifice,i be glad to debate not argue anything with you bro thru Pm but not keep posting like a couple of kids because i do not get into these stupid net arguments.

[nycap]

im not arguing with anyone. all im doing is sharing my experiences and knowledge about how these drugs have effected ME. When I say something about taking drugs I didn’t just dream it up and post it for fun, im speaking from experience. And thats what this is all about right? sharing information for everyones benefit. And then guys wanna jump in with “oh don’t say that” and “that’s not true” and then come to find out there downing things theve never even tried. Those kinds of posts aren’t helping anyone figure out what to do. Im just saying what I have done how its worked, that’s all. After all these drugs effect everyone differently and ultimately its up to the user to figure out what to put in his body. All I can do is tell how its worked for me.

[wanabeMASSIVE!]

I'm new to the forum. I have used it to look up info on gear before. Read my post and give me any info you can. I'm looking to get going on my project around the first of the month.

So I started working out 3 years ago started really getting into it about a year and a half ago. My first experience with a test product was extreme tren. Really didn't know what that would do to me. I gained 25lbs in 4 weeks. I learned a little about eating "clean". I did my first gear run about 6 weeks after that. I ran sust at 500 mg a week with Eq at 300mg a week. Then I ran test cyp at 500mg a week with 400 mg of eq. I ended the last 4 weeks with 30mg of anavar a day.

So now it's been a year and I'm looking to go back for another run. My Girlfriend and I broke up and she didn't like me beasting out. So here I'am. I was going to go back on another 500cyp and 300 eq a week. But I want to make sure I get some good bang for my buck. It will be human grade and is a little more expensive than the kind mexican bull sperm I have used before.

My current weight is 205 I'm 5'10 and I believe my body fat is around 18-20%.
I've been doing alot more cardio of late (6weeks) so it may have went down. My pants are a little more baggy. I also have seen more deffintion in my body over the last month. I lost 10lbs and have cut my diet to about 1600 cals a day and I currently eat about 120 grams of protein plus 3 shakes 60 grams and maybe 80 grams of carbs.

I plan on doing a cleanse next week (I just quite smokeing) So I just want to detox and flush out try an get under 200 and go from there.

On my new program..I'm trying to eat about 2,200 cals a day with 200grams of real food protein (Plus shakes) with about 100grams of carbs and 25grams of fat. Maybe less on the fat. I know you all will have your ideas of my diet. They will be takeing into accout.

So my question is what cycle should I do?? Give me some Ideas.

Get your diet in check first, get body fat to around 12-15% (as yo may be prone to gyno at 20%) but every1 is diff. I would then suggest you go on a cutting course with less water retension compounds, such as tren ace, test prop and boldanone (eq) perhaps add some t3. Do pct clomid and temoxifen. course it out. Get ur diet up in the diet section of the forum for help on clean food intake from the pros.Take it from there brov. Good Luck!

[nycap]

nah, what i did was 2 amps sustanon monday, 2 amps sustanon thursday, and 50mgs of dbol before every workout for 6 weeks. the sustanon will keep working for about another 2 weeks after the last shot. this gives my body 4 weeks to rebalance itself with no drugs. then to make more/keep gains id start it all over again after the 6 weeks off. this is my "6 weeks on, 6 weeks off" cycle which was very easy to do, gave me great results and is realitively cheap. then when its time to totally stop this routine entirely, i used some HCG and aromisin so lessen the so called "crash". but the crash wasnt that awful (like ive had with deca) cuz my body was having 2 out of every 12 weeks making its own test so it never totally shut down and was able to get back to normal qiute easilly.

i want to emphasize that 1000mgs of sustanon is very different than 1000mgs of say test enanthate. this is because 360mgs of the 1000mgs are short ester testosterones and will not biuld up. they get the blood levels up quickly and ware off quickly. ive found that 1000mgs a week of sustanon gives me less sides than 750mg a week of test enanthate.

and ill say it again, this is how it worked for me for bulking. cutting is a whole different thing and is much more complicated and i dont know anything about contest prep cuz i never tryed anything like that.