Popping the Cherry

[robcrust]

I’m popping my AAS Cherry so to speak. This is my first post, my first cycle, my first AAS. I’ve been recovering for 6 years from a crippling accident, I'm all but healed now and used to be fairly serious about BB, all small local natural competitions – never placed or anything cool like that.

I’ve been back in the gym for 1 year now mostly trying to gain some strength and muscle mass. But with summer upon me it’s time to discover if there is any muscle underneath the chunk.

So I’m cutting but I wanted to keep the lean muscle tissue loss to a minimum. So here’s the plan, it's based on one of the stickies but the post is so old (The author isn't even on here anymore I don't think) and there's no mention of any keto in it, so I think mine's better but who knows. What do you think?

Week 1
Day 1 Clen 40mcg / T3 40mcg /Anavar 50mg / Keto None
Day 2 Clen 40mcg / T3 40mcg /Anavar 50mg / Keto None
Day 3 Clen 80mcg / T3 80mcg / Anavar 50 mg / Keto None
Day 4 Clen 80mcg / T3 80mcg / Anavar 50 mg / Keto None
Day 5 Clen 120mcg / T3 120mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto None
Day 6 Clen 120mcg / T3 120mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto None
Day 7 Clen 120mcg / T3 120mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto None

Week 2 - 4
Day Clen 120mcg / T3 120mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto 2mg
Day Clen 120mcg / T3 120mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto 2mg
Day Clen 120mcg / T3 120mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto 2mg
Day Clen 120mcg / T3 120mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto 2mg
Day Clen 120mcg / T3 120mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto 2mg
Day Clen 120mcg / T3 120mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto 2mg
Day Clen 120mcg / T3 120mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto 2mg


Week 5
Day29 Clen 120mcg / T3 120mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto 2mg
Day30 Clen 120mcg / T3 120mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto 2mg
Day31 Clen 120mcg / T3 80mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto 2mg
Day32 Clen 120mcg / T3 80mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto 2 mg
Day33 Clen 120mcg / T3 80mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto 2mg
Day34 Clen 120mcg / T3 80mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto 2mg
Day35 Clen 120mcg / T3 40mcg / Anavar 50 / Keto 2mg

Week 6
Day36 Clen 120mcg / T3 40mcg / Anavar 30 / Keto 2mg
Day37 Clen 120mcg / T3 40mcg / Anavar 30 / Keto 2mg
Day38 Clen 120mcg / T3 40mcg / Anavar 30 / Keto 2mg
Day39 Clen 120mcg / T3 20mcg / Anavar 30 / Keto 2mg
Day40 Clen 120mcg / T3 20mcg / Anavar 30 / Keto 2mg
Day41 Clen 120mcg / T3 20mcg / Anavar 30 / Keto 2mg
Day42 Clen 120mcg / T3 20mcg / Anavar 30 / Keto 2mg

PCT:
Clomid 50 per day week 1 of recovery / 25 per day week 2.
Nolva 20 per day weeks 1 and 2 of recovery.

Other miscellaneous stuff: I’m on creatine, NO2, and just stopped my thermogenic for the cycle. The plan is to eat super clean, cut most carbs except brown rice and protein noodles, and have lot’s of sex to try to keep the libido up – what’s the point of getting ripped if I don’t get to rock the nightstand?

My work out regiment is to go mostly with supersets and circuits for most of the cycle with cardio every other day.

[Morgoth]

Is there any reason you are not doing 2 weeks on/2 weeks off with clen?

[D7M]

I'm sure you meant 50MG, not MCG on the var.

Anyway, what are your stats?
age?
height?
weight?
bf%?

[nycap]

ima bet right now that youll be disappointed with clen and var. first off, var sucks, its for women and kids. second, clinically, clen has proved to about the same thing as eca pills. you might as well just do it naturally. try eq and winny if you want something outside whats normal; youll lose weight and gain strength.

[Necrosaro]

^ Full of bad advice, should always know stats before you answer anything.

[nycap]

what exactly is the bad advice?

[Necrosaro]

Var is expensive but effective in higher doses. Clen has been used for years and if used properly you can gain a good edge(yet personally I still love cardio to get rid of unnecessary fat). Eq and winny isn't something that should be taken together unless test is the base. Winny is too hard on the joints and without a test base you will be shutdown without any test being present in the body. Eq is also a waste imo just for the fact that even if ran high the results are little and far between.

[DaBullet]

Var is expensive but effective in higher doses. Clen has been used for years and if used properly you can gain a good edge(yet personally I still love cardio to get rid of unnecessary fat). Eq and winny isn't something that should be taken together unless test is the base. Winny is too hard on the joints and without a test base you will be shutdown without any test being present in the body. Eq is also a waste imo just for the fact that even if ran high the results are little and far between.

X2....how are you going to advice someone to take EQ and winny without some sort or test in there system. Totally agree with Necrosaro

[robcrust]

Is there any reason you are not doing 2 weeks on/2 weeks off with clen?

Yea, from what I've read the Keto should keep my receptors sensitive to the clen so no need to go two on then two off.

[robcrust]

I'm sure you meant 50MG, not MCG on the var.

Anyway, what are your stats?
age?
height?
weight?
bf%?

Yea thanks for catching that for me 50 MG.

I'm 31
5' 8"
200 lbs
16% bf

[robcrust]

Var is expensive but effective in higher doses. Clen has been used for years and if used properly you can gain a good edge(yet personally I still love cardio to get rid of unnecessary fat). Eq and winny isn't something that should be taken together unless test is the base. Winny is too hard on the joints and without a test base you will be shutdown without any test being present in the body. Eq is also a waste imo just for the fact that even if ran high the results are little and far between.

Yea I agree. Ultimately, just good hard work is what will shed the fat. That's why I'm going to circuits and SS and cardio every other day. The clen/t3 combo is just to hopefully make the cardio a bit more effective.

[robcrust]

ima bet right now that youll be disappointed with clen and var. first off, var sucks, its for women and kids. second, clinically, clen has proved to about the same thing as eca pills. you might as well just do it naturally. try eq and winny if you want something outside whats normal; youll lose weight and gain strength.

We'll see. The point of the var isn't so see anything amazing in terms of size or growth, it's more of a precaution to keep more muscle mass in the cutting cycle. I don't know about winny or eq I haven't done any research on those. I'll look into it though.

[nycap]

dude everyone knows that you have to take a little test with every cycle just to keep your dick hard, thats just common knowedge. and no you do not base a cutting cycle on test! if thats your advice then your the one giving terrible advice.

if he wanted to blow up then yes, the base should be 1000mg test per week and then add less estrogenic stuff to avoid sides. but he wants to lose wieght not gain it. eq will give about the same strength as test, half the estrogen, and a quater the wieght gain. and winny is not going to hurt his joints. i have never, ever seen anyone hurt their joints on winny. you two have no idea what your talking about and if you got hurt taking winny it was your poor form and not the drug.

and this is a cycle forum, he asked for help with a first roid cycle, not personal training advice.

[DaBullet]

dude everyone knows that you have to take a little test with every cycle just to keep your dick hard, thats just common knowedge. and no you do not base a cutting cycle on test! if thats your advice then your the one giving terrible advice.

if he wanted to blow up then yes, the base should be 1000mg test per week and then add less estrogenic stuff to avoid sides. but he wants to lose wieght not gain it. eq will give about the same strength as test, half the estrogen, and a quater the wieght gain. and winny is not going to hurt his joints. i have never, ever seen anyone hurt their joints on winny. you two have no idea what your talking about and if you got hurt taking winny it was your poor form and not the drug.

and this is a cycle forum, he asked for help with a first roid cycle, not personal training advice.

wow obviously you haven't researched properly because winny can cause joint pain and depending on the person it can be pretty bad and also not once did you tell him to add test on ur recommended cycle. No one said to do 1000mg of test but he must have some test even when taking winny eq or tren you would want test in your cycle...

[nycap]

wow obviously you haven't researched properly because winny can cause joint pain and depending on the person it can be pretty bad and also not once did you tell him to add test on ur recommended cycle. No one said to do 1000mg of test but he must have some test even when taking winny eq or tren you would want test in your cycle...

wow obviously youre way too smart for me mr. ultimate research man. why dont you go to library or something. "joint problems on winny" you sound like a dork. only thing is you have no experience using this stuff. see my research consists of using this stuff and watching friends use it like 500 times. not reading books. how the hell are you going to be on a steriods forum "member expeirences" when you havnt any expeirence using these compounds?

and if your such a great reader ill write it again EVERYONE KNOWS THAT YOU HAVE TO RUN A LITTLE TEST WITH EVERY CYCLE TO KEEP YOUR DICK HARD, ITS COMMON KNOWEDGE. its not a secrete, its not special knowedgle, your not part of some elite club and you have no business critizing my advice. if you think he should base a cutting cycle on test your a retard. you guys act like theres some secrete knowledge to this stuff and you know so much and your always ready say what someone else is saying is wrong. well your a dork, you dont have any special knowledge and its clear that you havent got the expeirence using these drugs to be talking about them. your the one who shouldnt be posting here.

this is not a personal training forum. ITS A ROID FORUM!

[HADOUKEN!]

I'd save some $$ and drop the Var. Run Clenbuterol at 2 weeks on/2 weeks off - I don't agree that Var is a waste though I quite like it only problem is the price. I'd say save it for when you run your first Test cycle, think it'd be a solid start to do something like:

Week 1-4: 50MG Var ED
Week 1-10: 500MG Test-E /week

Followed by PCT

EDIT: Besides with the right nutrition you really shouldn't lose much mass

[robcrust]

Okay, I feel like a chump. It's been a year since I ran this cycle and I never gave my results or progress. I did run with var, clen, and t3. I dropped 34 lbs. Which is pretty nuts for 6 weeks. The one side effect of this cycle is that my energy level was crushed, and my strength went down slightly. I was surprised by this more than my weight loss. This must indicate that I should up my var or something. I wish I had some pics but it's been too long. I had a seriously raging libido for the first week on the var, and then it dropped like barbell on a baby. My wife thought i was cheating on her, she didn't believe me that it was the var. I had no pct. And it came back up after about two weeks. Anyhow, i'm going to run the same cycle this fall but up my var dosage. We'll see how it goes.

[auslifta]

thats alot of weight to lose in 6 weeks. Do you think you lost alot of muscle?

[robcrust]

thats alot of weight to lose in 6 weeks. Do you think you lost alot of muscle?

Yes I did loose some muscle. Don't know if i'd say "a lot" since my strength losses were fairly marginal (5 - 10 lbs per set on bench, 5 lbs or so on curls, 20 lbs on pulldowns, etc.). I should add that I was doing one hour jog in the morning, and one hour of HIIT in the afternoons 6 days a week, in addition to my regular lifting which was mostly circuit training and ss's. So obviously a LOT of cardio.