First cycle Test e / Eq / Dbol / Anavar

[North-uk]

Hello Guys

(Hope right place to post this)

I am thinking of doing a cycle hopefully just the one ever, or for a VERY long time.

Me

31 years old training for 12 years on and off

Very hard gainer. Have in the past taken 5500 - 6000 cals a day (all good) and didn't get over 13 stone, and no fat increase. Eating at every chance I got. I am currently 13.6 at 6 foot.

I have been training well and feel good in my gym. Over the last decade have learned how my body works, gains, reacts to food etc (eg. 1 dirty food day every other week works well for me).

Hoping to put on some good weight hopefully (but can't expect) 20lbs keep.


Looked on another forum at this stack (ctrl C + ctrl V)

week 1-11 enanthate 500mg
week 1-10 equipose 400mg
week 1-4 dianabol 25mg ed
week 7-13 anavar 50mg ed

week 1-4 milk thisle 1500mg ed
week 7-13 milk thisle 1000mg ed
week 1-4 ALA 800mg ed
week 7-13 ALA 800mg ed
week 1-13 saw palmetto 320mg ed
week 1-13 proscar 1.25mg ed (1/4 tab)
week 1-13 armidex 0.25mg ed (I added this)

use nizoral 2% throughout and a multivitamin everyday and
1000mg vitamn C a day

week 13-15 Clomid (300,100,50 see above)

week 13-14 clen 6tabs/day (1,2,3,4,5,6,6 tabs per day for the first week)
week 15-16 eca (recommended dose)
week 17-18 clen 6tabs/day
week 19-20 eca
week 21-22 clen

week 13-22 creatine 25mg ed
week 1-22 glutamine 20mg ed


What do you think?
What about for a first cycle?


Thanks again.
North

[Moosedog]

Hello Guys


week 1-11 enanthate 500mg
week 1-10 equipose 400mg
week 1-4 dianabol 25mg ed
week 7-13 anavar 50mg ed

week 1-4 milk thisle 1500mg ed
week 7-13 milk thisle 1000mg ed
week 1-4 ALA 800mg ed
week 7-13 ALA 800mg ed
week 1-13 saw palmetto 320mg ed
week 1-13 proscar 1.25mg ed (1/4 tab)
week 1-13 armidex 0.25mg ed (I added this)

use nizoral 2% throughout and a multivitamin everyday and
1000mg vitamn C a day

week 13-15 Clomid (300,100,50 see above)

week 13-14 clen 6tabs/day (1,2,3,4,5,6,6 tabs per day for the first week)
week 15-16 eca (recommended dose)
week 17-18 clen 6tabs/day
week 19-20 eca
week 21-22 clen

week 13-22 creatine 25mg ed
week 1-22 glutamine 20mg ed


What do you think?
What about for a first cycle?


Thanks again.
North

I think thats a hell of a lot of gear for a first cycle mate. What if you react against one of those? you wont know which one it is unless your at week 7 and you suddenly get a reaction.

Just go with test e for 12 weeks for your first cycle, If you good at week 8 then "maybe" through some var in. You will great great gains from that and really no need to do 4 different compounds on your first cycle.

Hope this helps mate

[Moosedog]

try:

week 1 to 12 : Test-e
week 8 to 12 Anavar (although I would still do the one)

Keep some armidex on hand "just in case" at .5 per day
Start Nolva for PCT 2 weeks after your last Jab so at week 14.

job done me thinks

[tboney]

try:

week 1 to 12 : Test-e
week 8 to 12 Anavar (although I would still do the one)

Keep some armidex on hand "just in case" at .5 per day
Start Nolva for PCT 2 weeks after your last Jab so at week 14.

job done me thinks

I agree. Make sure you also use clomid in your pct..... Oh and I would start off at .25 mgs eod with the adex. You can increase it to .25 ed but only if you need it. I would not go over .5mgs ed.....

[Moosedog]

agree on the .25 tboney, I missed the 2 on my keyboard LOL, thanks man!

[North-uk]

Thanks for the quick replys everyone

Thought the stack maybe too strong

I have seen many start with a test e + dbol as a kicker.

Is a test e + anavar at the end better?

Mass gain is my main end result.


Really want to get it right (cost -time - effort is no object)

Spent the first 5 years of training saying I would NEVER do steroids the next 5 years saying I would NEVER inject.

[Moosedog]

Hi North, many do start with a d-bol kickstart but generally not a good idea for your first cycle. D-bol is pretty strong, plus if you have effects you wont know if its the d-bol or test

You will get large gains from the d-bol (first 4 weeks) then test e (1-12) but most of it will be water so you will loose quite a bit of it after your cycle.

If however you go with the test e (1-12) and if you really want to stack it then use var last 4 to 6 weeks. Gains you make from the var wont be huge but you will keep most of it.

I spoke to one of the guys at the gym few days back and he done the following :

Primo enanthate 200mg/ml (weeks 1-12) (he used between 500 / 600mg per week - injecting on the monday and thursady evening)

Anavar at 50 day (weeks 6-12)

His diet was spot on and he works his ass off but...

he has shrink his trunk down unbelievably!! lost few % bodyfat and put on around 8 to 10 lb of lean quaility muscle, Looks a lot heavier / bigger then he is due to his waist to shoulder ratio. I think he looks fantastic. So yeah he didnt wack on 20 lb by using test and d-bol but he will keep most of his gains

Plus he feels better as primo is prob one of the safest around. He did have bloods during the cycle and some liver levels were raised but only just out of normal range, this however is fairly normal form an oral (he was planing a 4 week var but got a little excited so started early). Waiting a few weeks to have them done again to make sure all is ok.

Just food for thought bro!

[nycap]

eq and test doses are good should be a great summer cycle. dbol is perfect for that extra drive to push through those hard workouts. only things i would change is (1) take the eq for 12 weeks min; and (2) forget the var cuz its a waste of money.