Big_Rons Lean Bulk Log

**big_ron** · 10-26-2010, 09:21 PM

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**big_ron** · 10-26-2010, 09:28 PM

Day 1
25mg dbol (night time)
175mg Testosterone Propionate
150mg Nandrolone Phenylpropionate

Just got the 1st shots out of the way before bed after per pairing my brews.

Slight headache today, stomach not feeling the best this morning, not sure if its the dbol (1st time running this compound)
I will be starting the hcg and Anastrozole tomorrow.

**stevey_6t9** · 10-26-2010, 09:54 PM

lookin good buddy, dont see the need for 700mg of test though.

**aPlinker** · 10-26-2010, 10:01 PM

any specific reason why you are running clen during a bulk? I've heard that it works best on calorie defeceits so isnt it better to do a cut with it after the cycle?

**big_ron** · 10-26-2010, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by stevey_6t9

lookin good buddy, dont see the need for 700mg of test though.

Agreed, i hate doing math with prop, i will be droppping to 150mg EOD maybe even lower

**big_ron** · 10-26-2010, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by aPlinker

any specific reason why you are running clen during a bulk? I've heard that it works best on calorie defeceits so isnt it better to do a cut with it after the cycle?

I like to run it all the time, reguardless of what my goals are. it will help with fat burn while doing my cardio

**big_ron** · 10-26-2010, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by big_ron

Agreed, i hate doing math with prop, i will be droppping to 150mg EOD maybe even lower

And the Npp to 125mg EOD.

**big_ron** · 10-26-2010, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by big_ron

Agreed, i hate doing math with prop, i will be droppping to 150mg EOD maybe even lower

Double post :S

I knew the doses looked alot higher than what i originally planned, ive had so much on my mind late, glad we cleared it up

**Choppers** · 10-27-2010, 02:58 AM

I'd drop the Dbol . With 2 short esters are the orals absolutely necessary?

I thought that orals were normally used with long ester Test as a kick start?

**big_ron** · 10-27-2010, 04:34 AM

Originally Posted by Choppers

I'd drop the Dbol . With 2 short esters are the orals absolutely necessary?

I thought that orals were normally used with long ester Test as a kick start?

Yes you are correct, the test will kick in quickly, but i havnt tried dbol and it look apealing for the strength gains

**terraj** · 10-27-2010, 04:46 AM

You don't need D-bol in this cycle.

Drop the clen , you are on a bulk cycle, your heart is under strain already.

Good luck!

**big_ron** · 10-27-2010, 09:27 PM

I am keeping the dbol for strength gains.

Day 2 - Slight feeling of test flu. the more water i drink the better.

I took some pics last night, i will post them when i get a chance, or maybe leave it till when i finish, before-after.

Prop pain isnt tooooo bad, i may get sick of it and cut it with some oil.

Also forgot to weight myself. i promise i will 2moro morning :P

**big_ron** · 10-28-2010, 03:06 AM

I think i may drop the dbol :P dont want the bloat really.

**big_ron** · 10-28-2010, 05:18 PM

Second lot of shots last night.

Ive dropped both test and npp to 125mg each as i think it will be sufficient.

Starting weight is 211.6lbs

**MACHINE5150** · 10-28-2010, 05:33 PM

whats your previous cycle experience.. just curious

**big_ron** · 10-28-2010, 05:47 PM

1st cycle was 200mg deca + 50mg of stan! haha i wont even go on about that! it was before i had found this place

2nd cycle 300mg test, 300mg deca 10 weeks
3rd cycle 500mg of test p 8 weeks

So im trying to keep doses as low as i can. and grow into my dose

Also will be switching to ED pinning

**danielmaco** · 10-29-2010, 04:51 AM

Good luck dude! I can't wait to see the results.....

**SlimJoe** · 10-29-2010, 07:34 AM

good luck

**stevey_6t9** · 10-31-2010, 12:53 AM

bump lazy pants

**GetSwole83** · 10-31-2010, 06:27 AM

pics?

**tbody66** · 10-31-2010, 07:11 AM

yeah, without pics, your results don't help the rest of the board.

**bigslick7878** · 10-31-2010, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by big_ron

Big_Rons Lean Bulk Log

I am looking to gain 15-20lbs of lean mass and possible drop around 2% Bf while doing so. Maybe wishful thinking but none the less it is my goal for this cycle.

Stats
Age: 21 Yr Old (i know, i know)

Height: 6ft
Weight: 96kg (211.6lbs) (Estimate, I will weight myself tomorrow morning)
Bf%: 14% (Estimate) I will be posting pictures so maybe I could get some opinions then.
Past cycles: 3, usually resulting in a testosterone crash and loss of most gains, I will be running hcg throughout this cycle to hopefully prevent this.

Compound Layout:

Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg per day. (25mg morning, 25mg night.)
Week 1-12 Testosterone Propionate 150mg EOD (This dose may drop when i make my decision in the next few days,Both this and NPP could change to ED injections depending on sides)
Week 1-11 Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 125mg EOD
Weeks 1-12 Hcg 250iu X 2 a week (Monday,Thursday)
Week 1-12 Anastrozole 0.5mg/ED
Week 1 : Clenbuterol Hydrochloride 50mcg/ED
Week 2 : Clenbuterol Hydrochloride 100mcg/ED
Week 3-4 : Clenbuterol Hydrochloride 200mcg/ED
(Then one month off and repeat this cycle from week 8 -12)

Pramipexole Hydrochloride on hand.

PCT will start 3 days after last prop shot
wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 14 days)

Diet is along the lines of http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...eck&highlight=
It has changed a little bit since, No carbs after about 6pm.

5 days of weight training per week + 3-4 X Empty stomach low intensity cardio for 45mins.

How exactly is that happening without keto?

**big_ron** · 10-31-2010, 11:16 PM

You do not have to have a keto diet to get results from clen .

I will be updating 2moro as it will be 1 week into my cycle.

C'mon guys u all wanna see me half nude?

Ill be posting pics shortly dont worry, ive been flat out

**ROXXXTAR** · 11-01-2010, 02:04 AM

Make sure to keep posting...Im pretty interested in trying out Test P...Would love to hear your thoughts on it and have you used the other esters of test or no? if so can you tell me your thoughts on their pros and cons vs. Prop

**big_ron** · 11-01-2010, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by ROXXXTAR

Make sure to keep posting...Im pretty interested in trying out Test P...Would love to hear your thoughts on it and have you used the other esters of test or no? if so can you tell me your thoughts on their pros and cons vs. Prop

Pro's for test p.
Quick 'kick in' time about 2 weeks compared to test c or e which is about 4-5 weeks
Less water retention.
High % testosterone in the compound
Less wait to start pct, 3 days instead of 2 weeks like test c or e.
Shorter cycles with same result as longer cycles with a longer ester, so less time ON if you choose.

Cons
Frequent injection's Ed or EOD
More painfull injections (Depending on the gear, ive just started cutting mine with oil @ 1:1 ratio and is MUCH better)

I have ran test c in a precious cycle, as you can see i dont find it apealing after all the pros i have listed.
Frequent injections i can handle. I may get sick of it in the future but as for now its my preference.

**ROXXXTAR** · 11-01-2010, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by big_ron

Pro's for test p.
Quick 'kick in' time about 2 weeks compared to test c or e which is about 4-5 weeks
Less water retention.
High % testosterone in the compound
Less wait to start pct, 3 days instead of 2 weeks like test c or e.
Shorter cycles with same result as longer cycles with a longer ester, so less time ON if you choose.

Cons
Frequent injection's Ed or EOD
More painfull injections (Depending on the gear, ive just started cutting mine with oil @ 1:1 ratio and is MUCH better)

I have ran test c in a precious cycle, as you can see i dont find it apealing after all the pros i have listed.
Frequent injections i can handle. I may get sick of it in the future but as for now its my preference.

Exactly the kind of feedback I was looking to hear...Im currently working on gaining some weight back that I have lost at a very labor intensive job but once I get myself back into shape I will begin a new cycle and you reassured me that Test P is worth giving a go...Thanks Big Ron much appreciated

**junkiescumbag** · 11-01-2010, 02:33 AM

will be watching this. good luck mate

**big_ron** · 11-01-2010, 03:29 AM

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**Egan** · 11-01-2010, 03:47 AM

Comeon Big ron i am keen to see this all take place.

Hopefully all still going to plan.

**big_ron** · 11-01-2010, 04:02 AM

Pics are up ya'll, Not trained in posing so please forgive

**Egan** · 11-01-2010, 04:09 AM

Yeah bit hard to pose and take pics i would assume.

So your 1 or 2 weeks into your cycle Big Ron?

**big_ron** · 11-01-2010, 04:38 AM

6 Days in

**Egan** · 11-01-2010, 04:54 AM

Not sure if you realize Big Ron but you seem to have a black spot on your face or is it on the camera lense ?

**stevey_6t9** · 11-01-2010, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by Egan

Not sure if you realize Big Ron but you seem to have a black spot on your face or is it on the camera lense ?

he was born like that dude... go easy

**LBSOMEIRON** · 11-01-2010, 05:15 AM

Man....I hate to say I would have waited for some muscle maturity as it appears, you still have quite a bit of baby fat, but I would have waited for some muscle maturity.

There is still time to shut this down bro.....

Only looking out and I hate to be the dick (since no one else will, I feel obligated)

Question - whats your max in the big 3 lifts? Doesn't matter (well sorta), just curious.

**LBSOMEIRON** · 11-01-2010, 05:17 AM

Ps. You asked for some BF% help - Not 15%, actually not close to 15%....my guess is 23%-25%. Just a 'gloves off' 'be real with me; statement

If you do decide to keep rolling, best of luck.

**terraj** · 11-01-2010, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by LBSOMEIRON

Man....I hate to say I would have waited for some muscle maturity as it appears, you still have quite a bit of baby fat, but I would have waited for some muscle maturity.

There is still time to shut this down bro.....

Only looking out and I hate to be the dick (since no one else will, I feel obligated)

Question - whats your max in the big 3 lifts? Doesn't matter (well sorta), just curious.

Did you read the thread? He is on his 3rd cycle.....I don't think he will be stopping.

**tembe** · 11-01-2010, 05:53 AM

personally i think you should of cut down a tiny bit more to allow urself a greater fat gain while bulking.. but whatever ur comfortable with i guess

enjoy

**marcus300** · 11-01-2010, 06:21 AM

You shouldnt be using steroids in your condition or your age, if this is your 3rd cycle at the age of 21yrs old your doing something wrong, your diet is way off but I guess this will fall on deaf ears. My advice come off, stop using steroids, get bloodwork done and see what damage you may have done and research diets for the next few yrs, best of luck

**big_ron** · 11-01-2010, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by LBSOMEIRON

Man....I hate to say I would have waited for some muscle maturity as it appears, you still have quite a bit of baby fat, but I would have waited for some muscle maturity.

There is still time to shut this down bro.....

Only looking out and I hate to be the dick (since no one else will, I feel obligated)

Question - whats your max in the big 3 lifts? Doesn't matter (well sorta), just curious.

No its cool man i can take the critisism... what do you mean by muscle maturity?

Big 3 lifts.

110kg X 8 Bench
180kg X 6 Dead lift
Squad not 100% as there is only a smiths machine in my gym