Test E only log.

[ineedauser]

5'7 177lbs (after morning pee) Guess is around 11-12% body fat. Tested 10.2 with caliper.
28 years old.
Totally natural up to this point

Squat: 415 (1 1/2 months ago). 305x20 (2 months ago)
Bench: 275 (1 month ago). 225x11. 245 4x3 (just did the 245x3 actually)
Chinups: 17 (after low rep bench) This was over 2 months ago
Weighted Chins: 80lbs 4x3 (while superset with 140lbs log press 4x3). This was also over 2 months ago
Barbell Shoulder Press 175 (about 5 months ago).

Cycle is 500mg a week of Alpha Pharm Test E.

Today was my 4th shot. My diet has been very steady day to day. Lots of oatmeal, chicken, protein powder, water, and more chicken. I have pretty much been hovering around 4000 calories a day.

4 pins in, so 1 1/2 weeks (started on Sept 20th) and I am now 182lbs in the morning. I feel like i'm bloated though... see a little fat building around the nipples. I can't tell if it's gyno or just fat. Pretty sure it's puberty gyno and fat mixed though. Either way, I can't figure out how to get rid of this crap. My diet is pretty clean and it's been around for quite a bit. But the extra weight i've been putting on is really making it show.

First pin was left front delt, second was right rear delt, third was left rear, 4th was right front. Going to either use quads next 2 or go back to left front delt.

PIP has been a little bit of a problem. Hurts to raise my arms so doing pullups/chinups causes pain. So does pushups. But this is always the day after pinning. 3 days after, it's more discomfort than pain.

I will start logging my workout routine as well. 4 days a week. Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday. The routine is a bit wacky because trying to get a few goals together for 2 different people. So there is an added day (sunday) that is purely cosmetic... bunch of isolated exercises. Tues, Thurs, and Saturday are our major lifting days. Tues and Sat being full upper body. Supersetting 2 exercises at at time. High rep, little break. 8 exercises total. Both days have similar muscle groups hit, just different exercises to hit them. Thursday is all lower body, squat, bulgarians, stepups, walking lunges.

Main goal during this 12 week cycle is to put on lean mass. Whether it is 5lbs or 15lbs. Not totally into bulking but don't mind it. Definitely want to shred fat more than anything else while putting on muscle (perk of getting my lifts up).

But I feel great. My body seems to reacting ok to it. Not rejecting it. No illness, no weird body things going on. Just the PIP!

[ineedauser]

Taken night of first pin

[MickeyKnox]

are you running an AI on cycle?

[austinite]

^ If this will be your full log, you may want to PM a mod to move it to the Members Cycles section.

Good luck!

[ineedauser]

are you running an AI on cycle?

Aromasin . 12.5mg every other day.

[MickeyKnox]

the pain youre feeling is likely virgin muscle pain. and it's difficult to see any gyno in your photo. but if youre aware of previous gyno then you may be sensitive. if so i would look into starting nolva @10mg/day to see if this reduces..if in fact you are certain this is what you have. better to be proactive than reactive.

[ineedauser]

the pain youre feeling is likely virgin muscle pain. and it's difficult to see any gyno in your photo. but if youre aware of previous gyno then you may be sensitive. if so i would look into starting nolva @10mg/day to see if this reduces..if in fact you are certain this is what you have. better to be proactive than reactive.

I'm definitely not certain, at all. I wouldn't even know how to take a picture to show you.

Would the nolva counter any type of gains i'd make on cycle?

[bp2000]

I would bump to 12.5 ED if you are gyno prone and perhaps 10mg/Nolva like said above.

[ineedauser]

I don't know if I am gyno prone. This is my first experience with any type of AAS.

[ineedauser]

[ineedauser]

Ok. So far, my experience on test e is not great. 5 pins so far, tomorrow is the 6th. PIP is non-stop. Haven't had one day where it didn't exist. Always have red on and around the site. My last pin on the right front delt (6 days ago), had about 85% of my arm completely red as well as in a lot of pain. I didn't miss a workout and it didn't stop me from doing my daily activities so I didn't think a Doctor was necessary. Today as is stands, the site is a bit hard and sore but infinitely better than it was 2-3 days ago.

I still get sore after workouts. Obviously nothing noticable in strength or looks that's a positive. Gained 7lbs so far but clearly water weight as I look fluffy. Nips look puffy as well so I stepped up my Aromasin does from 12.5mg every other day to every day.

My diet has been pretty consistant but cheating from time to time with a full cheat day every weekend. I've always been on the leaner side and have always eaten this way. I know I should stop but ehh, whatever.

But I am going to stick with it and see it through. I started it, might as well finish it!

[OdinsOtherSon]

Subbed. Agree with Austinite on contacting a Mod or Admin to have the thread moved to Members Cycles section. Good luck with your test e cycle and getting your "pip" under control. I'm gearing up for a similar run soon and will be very interested in hearing how you are progressing.

[ineedauser]

I did PM someone. Oct 1st actually

[OdinsOtherSon]

Haha! Done all you can then.

[austinite]

Looking good bro. Be sure to get panels in soon so you can check your AI dosage is working fine.

[ineedauser]

Looking good bro. Be sure to get panels in soon so you can check your AI dosage is working fine.

You didn't comment on my "PIP" that doesn't exist! :-(

I don't know what to do about that.

[austinite]

You didn't comment on my "PIP" that doesn't exist! :-(

I don't know what to do about that.

lol. I think you're confusing PIP with discomfort.

Are you unloading the syringe pretty fast? If so, slow down and pause several times. I inject at a rate of 1 minute per ML. Sometimes longer.

If you always have redness and/or swelling with no infection, this is an indication that your hand is not steady when pinning. You have to understand that the tip of the needle is like a blade. If you don't keep it steady, it will cut your muscle up with micro tears, and muscles dont like that so they react.

After injecting and pulling the pin, be sure to massage the site very thoroughly.

Also be sure that you are rotating injection spots. I don't like pinning the same spot for at least 7 days.

[Wazz]

I would bump to 12.5 ED if you are gyno prone and perhaps 10mg/Nolva like said above.

That was my first thought.. With the info of the AI @ EOD, just move to ED, now as I haven't cycled yet~ but have been reading like a mad man I'd like to know what anyone who has had this type of issue before (when just not sure) on what you think of adding in 10/mg/Nolva...

From everything I've read it sounds fine, but so does just upping your AI to ED also, anyone?

[ineedauser]

Discomfort? Sorry man... It's pain. I've been around the block when it comes to pain, soreness, and discomfort. It starts off uncomfortable but consistently turns into pain. Can't lay on that side type of deal.

I use delts for all pins. But rotate front and back. So it's every 14 days for the same spot. My right front delt is finally feeling a lot better. Took 6 days.

The needle is definitely removed quickly. Maybe I'll try the slower method. Gonna try and pin my right quad tomorrow. My right delt is still plenty sore and tender from last weeks.

You think the hardness is from the samething?

[austinite]

Discomfort? Sorry man... It's pain. I've been around the block when it comes to pain, soreness, and discomfort. It starts off uncomfortable but consistently turns into pain. Can't lay on that side type of deal.

I use delts for all pins. But rotate front and back. So it's every 14 days for the same spot. My right front delt is finally feeling a lot better. Took 6 days.

The needle is definitely removed quickly. Maybe I'll try the slower method. Gonna try and pin my right quad tomorrow. My right delt is still plenty sore and tender from last weeks.

You think the hardness is from the samething?

You're pinning once a week?

Are you able to go to work? Maybe I define pain differently. But when I think pain, I think broken ribs or a shattered jaw.

I wasnt referring to the rate of speed for removing the pin, Im talking about injecting the juice into your muscle, that should be a slow process.

[Wazz]

You're pinning once a week?

Are you able to go to work? Maybe I define pain differently. But when I think pain, I think broken ribs or a shattered jaw.

I wasnt referring to the rate of speed for removing the pin, Im talking about injecting the juice into your muscle, that should be a slow process.

I define pain the almost same way. I just assumed he meant soreness but we'll see.....

[ineedauser]

Oh ok... Typically takes 15 seconds for the full injection I guess?

That's a weird way of defining pain. Because those things wouldn't stop me from working either but obviously is quite painful. I have torn ligaments in my ankle and have made it to work. Rust and metal in my eye and still made it. Pain is pain, you can define the intensity but pain is still pain. Not being able to lift my arms passed parallel to the floor is obviously pain.

The hard spot still concerns me though even though now it's more discomfort than actual pain.

[yannick35]

I am interested in this log, 12 week T cycle seems good to me i am also 40 years old.

I got a presc for T last year not on TRT.

[mixtnconfuzd]

thanks for this info

[Live for the PUMP]

Hey bud the PIP will get easier. I almost gave up when I started (not really), because PIP was so intense. It's just the virgin muscle. The first 3 weeks or so I was sore for a week after pinning and the shit hurt wasn't discomfort. Anyways I am 5 weeks in and sometimes I can't even tell I pinned. That's right, painless. Didn't know it was possible, haha. So hang in there and tough it out for a few more weeks.
Now for the gyno/fat in titties. Well Your tit looks exactly like mine. Flat, and a little pointy. That is just body fat. I was told if you have gyno then there will be a lump.
I will be watching your progress. Best of luck with your cycle bro!

[ineedauser]

What are your inject locations?


Where can I get bacteriostatic water!? I need it!

[Live for the PUMP]

What are your inject locations?


Where can I get bacteriostatic water!? I need it!

I always use glutes for injection. Tried quad once and glad I did, cause now I know I will never be doing that again. I am going to try delts for first time on Thursday. Get Bac water online. I just googled it and bought it from top website that came up.

[ineedauser]

Oh yea? I was looking from a more "reliable" source since I am injecting it.

I did quads yesterday, what was wrong with your experience?

[Live for the PUMP]

Oh yea? I was looking from a more "reliable" source since I am injecting it.

I did quads yesterday, what was wrong with your experience?

My quads swelled up to where I could hardly see my knee for a week. It is bright red and itchy too. The worst part of course was how uncomfortable/painful it was. Also keep in mind the pharm i got is one of the most notorious for PIP.

[ineedauser]

Update: I started Sept 21st so now I just completed my 8th pin. Still on 250mg (1 on the syringe). I left my delts alone to heal up. I did right quad last Thursday, left quad on Monday, and right quad again today. I know that's a no no but no pain, no issue, comfortable, I did it.

My diet has changed for the worse. Not ridiculously bad but noticable. Definitely gotta fix that and it's an easy fix. Taking in a lot of simple carbs. Sandwiches, cheeseburgers mostly... I did have 2 gyros today. :-)

But my weight had calmed down since the 2nd week. I am 183lbs in the morning. I am still pretty watered up though. My skin across my stomach is pretty jello like by the end of the day. I go to sleep around 188lbs.

The ONLY noticable change up to this point is my vascularity. My normal veins haven't changed. Just new ones appearing. Most noticably my right bicep and my right shoulder. Never had those before. Abs look the same, arms look the same, and my lifts seem to be pretty much the same. I did kinda change my routine at a bad time to get a feel. But I will know a lot more at the end of this cycle how my strength has changed. I am looking to do 125-130lbs dumbells for 4x3 on flat bench by the end of it all. And squat 325 4x10 with about 2 minutes break on both exercises. Before I started my cycle... I was on a 3 week hiatus from squat (lower back from work) but I squatted 295 3x8 and a set of 15. I benched 245 4x3 with 2 minutes in between. So hopefully the carry over from dumbell to barbell will be around 260 4x3 which would be nice considering 275 is my personal best. Then depending on how things are going after the cycle. Maybe i'll do low rep squat and try to squat 405x5 since my best is 405x2.

Still taking 12.5mg of liquid stane every day. HCG injections start as soon as my material comes in.

[ineedauser]

Update: long overdue but no one seems to care so I haven't! But today I will.

My diet changed for about 10 days earlier this month due to Sandy but my body saw no ill effects. Lost a pound on the scale but nothing negative in the gym. Squat is still moving up and up and so is bench. I squatted 270lbs 4x10 with slight resistance. I've done 295 2x8 and a set of 15 so the goal is to do 315 4x10.

Bench is going great. I benched 245,250,255,260,265 for 3s with 2 minutes in between. Then 275 and 285 for singles. Feel great about that lift. I also did chin-ups 4x9 with 90 seconds rest. Goal is 4x10. I have about 4 1/2 weeks left on test e to reach this goal!

I added Var to the cycle 4 weeks ago. 15 days at 60mg and 80mg rest of the ways. Also added 600mg of NAC daily. Running for 7 weeks total.

Side effects are non existent. I feel great. Vascularity is improved, lower back pumps are brutal though. Can barely stand after squat!

I am now 189lbs in the morning as well. Up from 177lbs (starting point).

[Soar]

How's the cycle coming along?

[ineedauser]

Finished my test E. 192lbs in morning. Vascularity and sculpting is up. Strength on bench went up. The extra 15lbs I put on nullified the rep gains on pull-ups. Went up 4 reps across 4 sets but I gained 15lbs.

My bench went from 275 to 305. Squat had to take a step backwards because I tweaked my back at work. But I squatted 300lbs 4x10 and 310x20 the following week. Benched 220lbs for 10,10,10.13 today. Also benched 270,275,280,285 x 3 this passed weekend. No sides, no ill feelings... Overall, great success!

[StraightFlexed]

Aromasin might make you limp with test E .

[MuscleInk]

Aromasin might make you limp with test E .

Not if he's dosing it correctly and not crashing his E. why else would you think this?

[Soar]

Finished my test E. 192lbs in morning. Vascularity and sculpting is up. Strength on bench went up. The extra 15lbs I put on nullified the rep gains on pull-ups. Went up 4 reps across 4 sets but I gained 15lbs.

My bench went from 275 to 305. Squat had to take a step backwards because I tweaked my back at work. But I squatted 300lbs 4x10 and 310x20 the following week. Benched 220lbs for 10,10,10.13 today. Also benched 270,275,280,285 x 2 this passed weekend. No sides, no ill feelings... Overall, great success!

Nice man glad to hear, gains solid after pct?

[ineedauser]

I start my PCT on Saturday.


Hmm, definitely not limp. No sides at all. No acne, ED, gyno, whatever. I felt great on cycle and I feel good.

The three picture image is about 7-9 weeks in.

The second side by side picture is me at 177lbs and again at 192lbs. The one on the right was then about 7-8 weeks in.

[ineedauser]

Nice man glad to hear, gains solid after pct?

The heavy benches were 3 reps a piece btw, not 2. Typo in original MSG!

11 days off test and lifts are still moving. So far, no complaints.