
Originally Posted by
smashingbox
Thanks for the input so far guys.
To answer your question I was at one point 82kg but that was after a big bulking routine (Max-OT) and a CRAZY diet (my pre bedtime meal was 60g protein, 90g oats, 60g maltodextrin, 2 tablespoons of peanut butter, ice cream and full cream milk)... so my bf might have been around 14-15% then I cut weight and cut down to maybe 11-12%bf... but was only around 80kg. So that was essentially my peak. Yes I know it doesn't sound like much of a peak but I was/am, an extreme ectomorph, I started at 60kg and have spent a few years building up my base strength and training and dieting. I feel confident I can get back to around 80kg within the next few weeks and then the test should kick in and hopefully sling shot me up a bit higher.
You'll notice that my cycle is fairly modest, being only 400mg for 10 weeks, not exactly crazy amounts of gear. I am using the gear to enhance the results I would achieve naturally, not as a crutch to hold up an otherwise poor program.
I guess my goals are ultimately to be around 85-87kg, but then I just want to be lean. I figure that if I want to be 87kg with say 8% bf... then I need to be around 90kg at 13% before I cut (check my maths). I honestly don't believe I could achieve that naturally, but who knows. I don't really know what to expect with this cycle but what I would really like is to make as much LEAN muscle gains as possible. My plans long term are to run this cycle and make solid gains, keep as much as possible and then maybe next year run test/tren cycle to lean up...
Ok on to my diet, I will just say quickly to Gucks... I have the steak as soon as I wake up, literally 5 mins to cook and then I eat it, then I have a shower and get ready for work and drink the shake on my way to work. It is the easiest way for me to get early morning carbs and it is more or less straight away... that should be almost perfect right? I get a load of protein and carbs straight up. Then for my next meal I have chicken breast with veggies, this is the most sedentary part of my day (desk job) so I avoid any more carbs. Then at lunch this is my meal with most room for improvement, we all go out for lunch but I always choose something relatively healthy, subway, chicken kebab (low fat, salad, wheat tortilla). In the afternoon before my workout I eat lean mince and sweet potato so this is protein and carbs to fuel my work out. BCAAs through my workout, then a whey protein shake with oats for PWO carbs. Then I eat salmon which has obviously got good fats and protein with cous cous for carbs. Then steak right before bed to give me slow digesting protein through the night.
Here are my macros:
Macros in P/C/F
7:30am
Steak 180g 48/0/20 383 cals
Shake 65/75/11 627cals
Total 113/75/31 1010 cals (approx 45 mins apart) 113g of protein..? that is insane man. completely unneccesary! quite alot of fat in that steak aswell. would u consider grilling it and leaning it up at much as possible? ditch the whey from ur shake at least.
10.30am
Veggies 4/14/0 70cals
Chicken Breast 50/0/8 264cals
Total 54/14/8 334 cals i know u said u have a desk job, that doesnt mean u shouldn't eat complex carbs. low GI carbs will be digested in about 3-4 hours so theres no issue eating them at work.
12.30pm
Healthy Burger 37/50/17 495cals
Total 37/50/17 495cals understandable if u go out 4 lunch once in a while, not every day though. i always go 4 lunch with my m8s and the same time and i just have my own lunches pre-cooked from the night b4. maybe once a month ill get subway/bagel factory.
3.30pm
Mince meat 64/0/15 387 cals
Sweet Potato 1/13/0 57 cals
Mashed Potato 1/15/0 65cals
Total 66/28/15 509cals
5.30pm
Workout
6.30pm
Shake 65/75/11 627cals
Total 65/75/11 627cals
8.30pm
Salmon 44/0/24 412cals
Cous Cous 4/20/2 110cals
Total 48/20/26 522cals ditch this meal altogether imo. ur last 3 meals r really close together. have ur steak with some EFA's either from nuts/tablets/oils.
9.30pm
Steak 180g 48/0/20 383cals
Total 48/0/20 383cals some efa's from above. again lean tht steak out. the fat in beef is mostly saturated.
10.00pm
Bed
Totals for the day:
431/262/128 3880cals WAY to much protein man. ur only 165 ibs! i would say 300g protein max. more carbs needed! go 1:1 ratio carbs to fats since ur trying 2 stay relatively lean during cycle for cuting afterwards. fats r rediculous!!! 75g max. u could halve those fats...the calories are quite high for a guy ur size but i dont know wht ur TDEE is. work it out and add 500-700 cals to it for a cycle.
Daily %
52/33/15
These are the appox values I worked out, if I have anything wrong please correct me.