12 week cycle Dbol, Tren-e, and Test-e

[objective33]

Haters gonna hate.

[OnTheSauce]

what am i reading? you're a virgin? 20 yrs old, looking like that? you must be the most socially akward person on the planet. I was steadily smashing girls in high school being a 5'11 155lb twig. Come on bro. quit and go talk to some girls. from your before pic #1 you look between 9-10% bf as well

[Maka]

Welcome to AR !
"- 20 years old " and you already pined yourself?
You are destroying your body (internal).
My advice is stop cycle, Start reading and create another thread 4/5 years from now.

[objective33]

Day 3. Off day. I'm not sure if its the confidence, tren paranoia or girls can read guys with raging testosterone levels but I noticed more chicks looking my way then usual. Hopefully when real gains start I will be confident enough to approach some ladies.

Gains..noticing more fullness in muscles, but chugging 3L of water and mouth still dry and thirsty.

I'm pretty sensitive to things I put in body but I' m willing to go through great deals of pain to gain muscle at all costs.

Back and biceps tomorrow!

Now or never for roids bro while people out wasting money on alcohol, I'm using it for research chemicals. I might not have the money or time to commit to this when I'm 25.

[objective33]

Day 4. - Back and Biceps

My quads and adductors were still sore from leg day, I could barely walk up the stairs to the gym. Doing deadlifts was out of the question, so I did Rack pulls instead, and got up to 485 x 1. Going 500+ next week . Rest of workout was good, but I'm afraid I'll be maxing the close grip cable rows by as early as next week because it only goes up to 295 at my gym. Looks like I'll have to switch from explosive close grip rows to slower, controlled reps.

Noticing a bit of water bloat in the face and muscles. Not much, but people are starting to take notice of my raw intensity in the gym. I really am on another level physically and mentally then most guys in the gym. Great mood today, and getting more confident and sociable by the day. Had a few good looking girls looking my way, so I hope to have the confidence to approach some ladies next week.

Can't wait until the tren and test e kick in .

Shoulders tomorrow, but back is kind of sore so I may due high volume, lower intensity tomorrow but after I get a good night sleep I'll see how I'm feeling .

[Armykid93]

Welcome to the board dude. You're around my age. You really should wait and do some research

[DeadlyD]

That would really suck if using all that gear fvct up your endo system for good! .... Before you actually got to use your d**k !!!

[Armykid93]

That would really suck if using all that gear fvct up your endo system for good! .... Before you actually got to use your d**k !!!

For sure lol

[objective33]

]This isn't even relatively that much gear, done plenty of reading and plenty of guys that are pro's and what not are blast and crusing 1000 ml of test e a week or more.

I've done 2 cycles and I know what I am doing. I've done hours upon hours of researching, and I understand the risks and side effects and how to deal with all of them.

None of you guys have any idea how bad I want this. I may not have the best genetics, I may not have the best lifestyle coming from a low-mid income family. I've lead a pretty rough life, and looking at where I am now, and where I will be in 5 years due to solely my willpower and work ethic, it is worth all the pain, suffering, and adversity I've had to overcome just because people tell me "I'm different" or "slow". I've got to where I am with little support from anyone except for a few close friends I've met this year at school with similar goals as mine. Nothing else in the entire world matters to me right now except getting my education done, and my fitness goals. I know, when I am in the gym I am working harder than 98% of the people in there. I yell and scream as I push through the pain of my heavy sets as everyone around me stares, and not a single care in the world is given.

I can't even put it into words...how dedicated I am to this. I am not competing in bodybuilding or powerlifting, I lift weights because it is my life, and I love the adrenaline rush. Only need so much money, material wealth doesn't even matter to me anymore, nothing else really matters except the iron and the books. I don't care what anyone on here says, or what anyone tries to tell me in real life, I have so much heart and dedication to this...I don't even know how to put it in words. I've never been a religious person, but when I am in the gym it is the equivalent of me being in a church...I've took this all to a spiritual level that is hard to explain. All I can do when I'm not in the gym, is visualize my next workout and how I want to push myself even harder, and harder, and harder. Eat, eat, eat, gym, eat,eat,eat, chugging 3L water everywhere I go, my bottle does not leave my side.

Day 5. Shoulders and high volume ab work

Great workout, saw intensity even further increased today. My muscles were swelling with blood, and I was exhausted after my workout. Getting a bit of a moon face, more bloat and mass packing on quickly but it is all part of the bigger picture...a vision of where I want my body to be. This is only day 5 of the dbol and already looking really swole, I can see myself walking around as a Roman God at the peak of this cycle.

I wish people would just at least show a little support for me instead of telling me I am too young, or too inexperienced. Haters can keep on hating...I've got ice in my veins, steel balls, a cold bitter heart, and I am only focused...on the bigger picture.

One day I will prove a lot of people wrong that said I couldn't...I am relentless and I will succeed even with so many people trying to bring me down all of the time, I am only focused on the end result...and the end does justify the means it takes to get there.

I went to a Christmas party tonight, and was peer pressured by all my friends and co-workers to eat junk food, drink beer, and do other stupid things. I smiled said "no" about 2 dozen times and kept chewing on my huge bag of almonds while guzzling my 3L bottle of water. I am so focused and dedicated to this that I am going straight edge for at least the next 18 weeks. I do not want to limit myself, or even have the thought of telling myself that there was something I could have done better to maximize the results.

When this is a 6 page thread and people saying "Wow...amazing gains", etc. All the sacrifice...all the torture...all I've been through will have been worth it. I will one day become a man that respects himself, and other people will show respect to. I will achieve the goals I want to achieve, and live the life I want to live, or I will die trying to do what I love.

Off to meditate for 20 mins in ice shower to help with recovery, and to focus and visualize what I want to achieve...tomorrow.

8 hour sleep tonight, get in as much sleep as I can...before tren insomnia kicks in.

I want this so bad...I can't even explain..

Progress day 5 pics

[Noles12]

Any cycle at 20 is a big cycle in terms of risks. YOu are making a mistake running these compounds at your age.

Being dedicated and having drive to succeed does not keep these compounds from hurting you in the long run

[Windex]

Day 3. Off day. I'm not sure if its the confidence, tren paranoia or girls can read guys with raging testosterone levels but I noticed more chicks looking my way then usual. Hopefully when real gains start I will be confident enough to approach some ladies.

Gains..noticing more fullness in muscles, but chugging 3L of water and mouth still dry and thirsty.

I'm pretty sensitive to things I put in body but I' m willing to go through great deals of pain to gain muscle at all costs.

Back and biceps tomorrow!

Now or never for roids bro while people out wasting money on alcohol, I'm using it for research chemicals. I might not have the money or time to commit to this when I'm 25.

Any how do you plan on affording Test repla***ent therapy then ?

Big mistake, no where near ready to cycle, let alone using Tren. Both your training and diet are lackluster and have significant room for improvement. If those attached pictures are infact you then it's pretty clear you have fairly strong, if not above average genes.

Furthermore, you have not been training log enough, regardless of what you might think. It takes several years (4-6+) of constant training in order to build up your tendons, ligaments, and connective tissue density. Steroids don't help at all with that and muscle grows faster than the aforementioned tissues. If you don't end up on TRT you will end up in the hospital because Tren gives a whole different level of strength gains and I gaurentee being 20 you are going to think it's a smart idea mid-cycle to just throw on X extra lbs to Y lift and then snap something. Case in point: few months back a 21 year old gym acquaintance cycled, was warned by others, and ended up tearing both his rotator cuffs. He won't be doing any lifting more than likely for the rest of this year, and to top it off the physiotherapy treatment along with medication netted him a cute $5000.00 bill.

[objective33]

I understand the risks, and I am willing to accept any consequences and side effects that arise from there use.

Willing to pay the price to build a big strong physique. I could be drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, and eating fast food every day like hundreds of millions of people do every day. You are delusional if you think this is any worse.

Training natty, especially when you are as dedicated as I am is laughable. I don't work my ass off everyday to see some lazy guido who parties all the time and eats whatever he wants be bigger than me, and thinks he trains harder than me. I've seen some of the guys in there, socialize, give it 70% effort and call it a day and still see better gains than me. I try not to compare myself to others because that is the worse thing you can do, but when your training natty and you know you are doing all of those little things, that the guy on roids is not doing and he's still bigger and thinks he's better than you, it tends to make you feel bitter and you take a serious blow to your self pride if you try to just accept it.

I know the risks, the long term side effects, etc. I think you seriously underestimate the lengths I will go through to build a respectable, amazing physique. I could care less if my body is one giant acne scar, I could care less if I'm bald, I could care less if I have no testicles, I know what I want and there is only 1 option to get there. If you can't beat em join em.

[objective33]

Any how do you plan on affording Test repla***ent therapy then ?

Big mistake, no where near ready to cycle, let alone using Tren . Both your training and diet are lackluster and have significant room for improvement. If those attached pictures are infact you then it's pretty clear you have fairly strong, if not above average genes.

Furthermore, you have not been training log enough, regardless of what you might think. It takes several years (4-6+) of constant training in order to build up your tendons, ligaments, and connective tissue density. Steroids don't help at all with that and muscle grows faster than the aforementioned tissues. If you don't end up on TRT you will end up in the hospital because Tren gives a whole different level of strength gains and I gaurentee being 20 you are going to think it's a smart idea mid-cycle to just throw on X extra lbs to Y lift and then snap something. Case in point: few months back a 21 year old gym acquaintance cycled, was warned by others, and ended up tearing both his rotator cuffs. He won't be doing any lifting more than likely for the rest of this year, and to top it off the physiotherapy treatment along with medication netted him a cute $5000.00 bill.

I lift with perfect form, I highly doubt I will be tearing anything any time soon. Training...yes I am still young and there is always room for improvement, the training program I have right now is effective...but could use some work and I am always open to suggestions. I never posted a clear cut diet either, you have no idea what my diet is like, but based on my readings it is pretty well thought out and high quality in comparison to what I've read. I never said anywhere in my post that I was cutting weight, I have no idea how to do a proper cutting diet, but my bulking diet I KNOW will more than suffice and very little improvements can be made. I've went to several dieticians/nutritionists in the area who helped me with some minor changes and additions, all checks out on the GI. If there is one thing I am 100% confident and certain with, it would be my diet. Note in my original post, I only included a few things I eat, not all of them.

People seriously underestimating what kind of pain I'm willing to go through to get the body I want. I am like that terrorist you torture over and over and over again trying to get him to break, but he just will not because he is willing to die for his cause.

[Noles12]

I understand the risks, and I am willing to accept any consequences and side effects that arise from there use.

Willing to pay the price to build a big strong physique. I could be drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, and eating fast food every day like hundreds of millions of people do every day. You are delusional if you think this is any worse.

Training natty, especially when you are as dedicated as I am is laughable. I don't work my ass off everyday to see some lazy guido who parties all the time and eats whatever he wants be bigger than me, and thinks he trains harder than me. I've seen some of the guys in there, socialize, give it 70% effort and call it a day and still see better gains than me. I try not to compare myself to others because that is the worse thing you can do, but when your training natty and you know you are doing all of those little things, that the guy on roids is not doing and he's still bigger and thinks he's better than you, it tends to make you feel bitter and you take a serious blow to your self pride if you try to just accept it.

I know the risks, the long term side effects, etc. I think you seriously underestimate the lengths I will go through to build a respectable, amazing physique. I could care less if my body is one giant acne scar, I could care less if I'm bald, I could care less if I have no testicles, I know what I want and there is only 1 option to get there. If you can't beat em join em.

You are very eccentric. Its almost as if you feel that your dedication wil change anything.

How exactly is training naturally with dedication laughable? That kind of thinking to me is laughable. THough you feel confident in your choices, you are very immature. Anyone can say i dont care about what will happen to me in the future because i am trying so hard for something now, but they are usually the first to come back and say how stupid they were for doing it.

So you work your ass off now to be bigger than "some guido that thinks he trains harder than you" but 10 years from now with dwindling test levels you have no motivation to get off ass and work out. I know seeing others blow up on less effort is frustrating but it is short term. It is stupid to let someone else get to you.

I trained naturally for a long time. I started early. I thought i was invincible. I was dedicated. I spent more time than anyone i knew focusing on diet and training. Playing football being undersized i worked harder than anyone else out there. You know what it got me in the long run. Jack shit

You know what it all means down the road when you are fat at 280 pounds? Absolutely nothing. I had to have a life changing event to realize i had to change. All of that dedication and drive from years before had long disappeared.

Your life is not about right now. You have to focus on the long term and until you can grow out of the ignorance of thinking that you dont care what life is like down the road you will never truly understand.

[objective33]

TRT is a worse case scenario...in reality it only happens to the few that have no idea what they are doing. With proper PCT and everything, I know what to do, and what not to do. My natty test levels are on the high end of the scale, so I can see no problems with that...ever.

[Noles12]

TRT is a worse case scenario...in reality it only happens to the few that have no idea what they are doing. With proper PCT and everything, I know what to do, and what not to do. My natty test levels are on the high end of the scale, so I can see no problems with that...ever.

You say this from experience? How exactly do you know it only happens to a few?

TRT starting at a very early age is sometimes the case in using AAS too young but being on it in your early 30s isnt exactly the best. Proper PCT is not a cure all. Having high natty levels has nothing to do with your system being restarted. It is shut down completely with these compounds. From there is must recover which is not a guarantee. There are guys that run perfect cycles and perfect PCT's that come on here daily saying "i never recovered from my cycle, i did everything right but my bloodwork shows my test levels of an elderly man".

Dont think you are invincible. Working hard, feeling good, and having motivation does not change the way a body can react. You are not at any less of a risk then that guido the same age as you.

[objective33]

You say this from experience? How exactly do you know it only happens to a few?

TRT starting at a very early age is sometimes the case in using AAS too young but being on it in your early 30s isnt exactly the best. Proper PCT is not a cure all. Having high natty levels has nothing to do with your system being restarted. It is shut down completely with these compounds. From there is must recover which is not a guarantee. There are guys that run perfect cycles and perfect PCT's that come on here daily saying "i never recovered from my cycle, i did everything right but my bloodwork shows my test levels of an elderly man".


Dont think you are invincible. Working hard, feeling good, and having motivation does not change the way a body can react. You are not at any less of a risk then that guido the same age as you.

You have gave me a lot to think about. I will continue on with cycle as scheduled, but may drop the tren if I feel it is shutting me down too hard just to be safe. Test-e is a weaker compound, and I'm not afraid it will shut me down too hard. What is your age and stats?

[titan13]

TRT is a worse case scenario...in reality it only happens to the few that have no idea what they are doing. With proper PCT and everything, I know what to do, and what not to do. My natty test levels are on the high end of the scale, so I can see no problems with that...ever.

You dont know what to do, if you did you would take the advise of knowledgeable members here on the site. Do you honestly think at 20 you really know better than people that have been running aas since you were in diapers?

[objective33]

Still not much support. No love lost, no love found.

Anyways day 6 and 7 updates.

Day 6
- Calves and forearms
- Eyes blood shot and red face from workout, I am an animal while I train, everyone stares lol.
- Tore calluses again from doing farmers walk 315 for 50 metres, could do more weight with chalk but wouls that be counterproductive?
- Noticing veins and more vascularity today.

Day 7
9 hour sleep last night...feeling great today. I had sore kidneys/liver but I think that is from the dbol and I didn't drink enough water before bed.
Day off today, my training routine is set up to maximize recovery time between body parts.

May have been in diapers but you guys didn't have access to the resources that we young guns have access to, so we are better able to educate ourselves for safe AAS use. I could literally have written a thesis about the effects of steroid use that is how many hours I've spent researching. I'm just going to ignore any more spam about people telling me I'm too young. It is like a WW2 vet telling his grandson that his rifle is better than the new one his grandson has. Completely living in the past and delusional. Times have changed. Ai's, serms, liver protection or whatever I need is easily accessible and affordable. The purity of steroids has also improved. Just because you didn't have the proper ancillaries or safety precautions at the time and messed your bodies up does not mean I will do the same.

If your going to hate don't bother posting. How about show some support for a guy trying to achieve his goals and dreams? Getting sick of all the elitist pessimists on this board.

I am a true visionary and have more drive, willpower, and motivation than anyone on these boards. I'm far from the biggest or most genetically gifted, but I am certain, regardless if anyone says otherwise, that I train harder and smarter than most. I have came a long way with bad genetics due to work ethic alone, and the end result of this cycle will justify that.

Day 8 tomorrow - Chest and Triceps!

[MickeyKnox]

wow, very impressed with your drive and determination. however, Noles advice is what i would heed if i were you. you are systematically destroying your endocrine system which has not fully developed and wont until you're around 25-26. are you aware of this? look it up when you get a moment.

adding AAS to your life now can and likely will have a significant impact on your future. do you plan on having children later? Noles and others here have given you some of the best advice i've seen yet. think about the drive and determination HE must have to write that up for you. what's HIS motivation? perhaps it's his experience and knowledge base that motivates him to educate you on the damage you're doing to your young and developing system? whatever it is, the advice should not be take lightly..

[objective33]

Thank you for the support. I have taken what he said into consideration but i've already made up my mind and there is no turning back now. I had a life changing experience about 14 months ago, so training and school are the only things that keep me going. I have been training for 5 years so I know my bones and ligaments are strong enough. I am also very durable and my flexibility is on the high end of the scale. I live everyday like it is my last, and learn like I will live forever. I might be married with kids by the time I'm 26, it is now or never.

[MickeyKnox]

Thank you for the support. I have taken what he said into consideration but i've already made up my mind and there is no turning back now. I had a life changing experience about 14 months ago, so training and school are the only things that keep me going. I have been training for 5 years so I know my bones and ligaments are strong enough. I am also very durable and my flexibility is on the high end of the scale. I live everyday like it is my last, and learn like I will live forever. I might be married with kids by the time I'm 26, it is now or never.

for the record, i DO NOT support you. i DO however admire your drive, determination, and tenacity. i just wish you could channel your passion elsewhere.

you're so driven that you're unable to see the forest though the trees - you missed the point. it's irrelevant how flexible or how strong your ligaments are. you obviously have not had a chance to look up the endocrine system. anyway, like you've already stated many times, you've made up your mind.

i hope your dream of having children comes true. as of last week, you began to reduce your odds..

i'm not sub'd....good luck son..

[Windex]

People are this board have been cycling longer than you have been alive and you choose to be stubborn and think you are immune to how the human body works. Furthermore, some members on this board (including myself) are directly active in the medical field/community (whether it be they are in med school, a physiotherapist, researching for their Masters/PhD, working in an aging/HRT clinic, etc) yet you seem to think you know more than us. It doesn't matter if you lift with perfect form, because too much weight will cause you to deter from that form - that's how injuries are caused.

You always have a choice, there's no such thing as "not going back". The people who end up on HRT are not only those who cycle incorrectly but have endocrine complications to begin with - something that cannot be fixed by any "pharmaceutical bandaid", ergo PCT or "proper precautions", and for whatever reason do not bounce back after PCT and end up with low T and thus must go on TRT. Hence why we advocate on this board not to cycle before 25 to allow sufficient time for endocrine system growth to minimize risks even further.


Goodluck with your cycle, you are going to need it. I will not spend any more time on this thread.

[Armykid93]

Let him destroy himself then one day he can come on this board and try to tell the "young guns"they are being ridiculous. He's impatient which in itself shows he isn't ready.

[Noles12]

Still not much support. No love lost, no love found.

Anyways day 6 and 7 updates.

Day 6
- Calves and forearms
- Eyes blood shot and red face from workout, I am an animal while I train, everyone stares lol.
- Tore calluses again from doing farmers walk 315 for 50 metres, could do more weight with chalk but wouls that be counterproductive?
- Noticing veins and more vascularity today.

Day 7
9 hour sleep last night...feeling great today. I had sore kidneys/liver but I think that is from the dbol and I didn't drink enough water before bed.
Day off today, my training routine is set up to maximize recovery time between body parts.

May have been in diapers but you guys didn't have access to the resources that we young guns have access to, so we are better able to educate ourselves for safe AAS use. I could literally have written a thesis about the effects of steroid use that is how many hours I've spent researching. I'm just going to ignore any more spam about people telling me I'm too young. It is like a WW2 vet telling his grandson that his rifle is better than the new one his grandson has. Completely living in the past and delusional. Times have changed. Ai's, serms, liver protection or whatever I need is easily accessible and affordable. The purity of steroids has also improved. Just because you didn't have the proper ancillaries or safety precautions at the time and messed your bodies up does not mean I will do the same.

If your going to hate don't bother posting. How about show some support for a guy trying to achieve his goals and dreams? Getting sick of all the elitist pessimists on this board.

I am a true visionary and have more drive, willpower, and motivation than anyone on these boards. I'm far from the biggest or most genetically gifted, but I am certain, regardless if anyone says otherwise, that I train harder and smarter than most. I have came a long way with bad genetics due to work ethic alone, and the end result of this cycle will justify that.

Day 8 tomorrow - Chest and Triceps!

What you fail to realize is most guys on here are still using today therefore they may have started when you were in diapers but they follow the same protocols that have evolved to today. We do have the same resources and information you do, we just choose to follow it

[objective33]

Day 8 - Chest and Triceps
- Traps still sore from last week, so I did dumbbell press today. Lifts and energy were down a bit. My tricep workout was a little more intense and heavier than usual.

I asked some people for input and they said I'm definitely getting the hardened thick skin look.
- Up 2.6 lbs in a week, was expecting more but at least I know dbol is legit so far.

Day 9 - Quads, hams, glutes
- Slept in today for about 30 mins. I had 7 hours of sleep but didn't want to get up this morning. I started taking melatonine to help me sleep. I've been having the wildest most vivid dreams that seem soo real. I dream about having sex with 10/10s all day, killing people, working out, grocery shopping, and dreams about relaxing on the sandy beaches of the caribbean with a cold drink in hand.

Very hungry this morning
6 egg whites
2 whole wheat bagels
1 green tea
2 bowls branflakes
1 cup of mik and 1 cup of berries for cereal
1 whey shake
1 banana

[objective33]

Day 8 progress

[OriginalShovelhead79]

Sounds like you have it all figured out. At your age, I thought I did too. I wish you the best of luck and hope everything works out like the information you have informed yourself with states, or the way you comprehended the information you read. I have no regrets of my past for my past has gotten me to the present, but I am hard headed too. Determined to do anything I set my mind to. I have learned over the years. A smart man learns from his mistakes, a wise man learns from others. Finish your tren cycle, but atleast consider what some of the elders are saying. They wouldn't take the time to bump and post if they didn't care, and Im sure we can all relate to the feelings you shared of determination and self improvement. Cheers mate!

[objective33]

Great leg workout, I was exhausted when I started but as soon as the preworkout and adrenaline kicked in I was going insane in the gym.
Again, I did the slow controlled reps for leg extension using a lighter weight and I notice more growth in the quads sibce I am contracting all of the muscle fibers.
I gained 1.4 lbs overnight! My 4000 calorie diet and hard work are starting to pay off. Also starting to get the post workout sweats.
Currently sitting at 83.4 lbs.

[Noles12]

Great leg workout, I was exhausted when I started but as soon as the preworkout and adrenaline kicked in I was going insane in the gym.
Again, I did the slow controlled reps for leg extension using a lighter weight and I notice more growth in the quads sibce I am contracting all of the muscle fibers.
I gained 1.4 lbs overnight! My 4000 calorie diet and hard work are starting to pay off. Also starting to get the post workout sweats.
Currently sitting at 83.4 lbs.

One tip i can give you is dont weigh yourself daily. It can be misleading. 1.4 pounds can easily be due to a number of factors other than true weight gain. I can take a shit and lose a pound. I may be 5 pounds heavier at night than i am in the morning. So when it comes to weighing i would do it in the morning every few days or once a week

[objective33]

One tip i can give you is dont weigh yourself daily. It can be misleading. 1.4 pounds can easily be due to a number of factors other than true weight gain. I can take a shit and lose a pound. I may be 5 pounds heavier at night than i am in the morning. So when it comes to weighing i would do it in the morning every few days or once a week

I always weigh myself before and after a workout. I've usually sweat off quite a bit of water, and depleted my glycogen stores by this point. Upon further research, I see that the best way to get an accurate measurement of bodyweight is to measure yourself in the morning. Looks like I'm picking up a new scale tomorrow, as well as my AI and SERMS which are finally here.

[Julz_W]

Mind if I ask where you posted your current routine for your bulking cycle?

I tried to search but couldn't come up with anything - though I could just be a gimp with the search tool.

[objective33]

Mind if I ask where you posted your current routine for your bulking cycle?

I tried to search but couldn't come up with anything - though I could just be a gimp with the search tool.

Took it down, I'm going to keep everything except for deadlifts in the 6-8 rep range. I'm doing a bit of experimenting right now.

I asked some other bodybuilders in online chat room, and they said my chest and shoulders looked like they were lagging and underdeveloped. Going to hit shoulders for 3 exercises x 3 sets each on leg day (Wed), and do 3 x 3 with main emphasis on upper chest development on Thursdays (off day) which is only 2 days after training Chest and Triceps on Tues, but should be enough recovery time once the tren and test kick in. Might change my routine around if I can't work the higher frequency into my current split.

[objective33]

Day 10 - chest with main focus on upper fibers, notice I don't call it isolation because I know what I'm talking about haha.
Heavy incline barbell bench 3 x 8 - 185
Dumbbell press 3 x 8 - 85s
Standing cable flies 3 x 10 - 150 each arm

I read several articles that said 1compound exercise, 1 dumbbell, 1 cable exercise for a lagging chest. I did slow eccentrics and exploded on the concrntric phase using full rom to really fill chest muscles with blood and overload the muscles. Chest was so sore and pumped after.

Back and biceps tomorrow!

[objective33]

Hey all. I would just like a critique of my diet.
This is just a sample day, I rotate the pasta with rice and chicken and veggies, or 2 cans of tuna, tablespoon salsa, and rice.

Meal 1
- 6 egg whites
- 1 bowl branflakes with half cup berries half cup 2% milk
- 2 whole wheat bagels
- 1 green tea
- 1 whey shake

Meal 2 (preworkout)
- 2 caramel ricecakes heavily coated with peanut butter
- 2 bananas

Meal 3 ( post workout)
- 1 cup low fat vanilla yogurt
- half cup spinach
- half cup berries
- cup of oats
- 2 scoops whey protein

Meal 4
- extra lean ground beef and veggies with whole wheat rotini in tomato sauce

Meal 5
- 1/2 cup almonds
- 1 apple/ orange
- cup milk

Meal 6
- half cup cottage cheese

I drink 20g of bcaas with 1 packet of purple gatorade in 3L bottle of water that I just keep diluting all day.

I also try to eat high GI carbs before workout and low to moderate post workout.

[objective33]

[Windex]

No offense but your diet is complete garbage, and if the pics are indeed you it's just further evidence you have some quality genetics. Cereal, caramel rice cakes, and bagels - I'm speechless.

You really need to give your head a shake and stop what your doing right now. Health risks aside, you are wasting your money. Any weight increase will not be muscle, rather water and fat; eating like that and you will drop right back down to 180 lbs before PCT is finished.

[Windex]

I lift with perfect form, I highly doubt I will be tearing anything any time soon. Training...yes I am still young and there is always room for improvement, the training program I have right now is effective...but could use some work and I am always open to suggestions. I never posted a clear cut diet either, you have no idea what my diet is like, but based on my readings it is pretty well thought out and high quality in comparison to what I've read. I never said anywhere in my post that I was cutting weight, I have no idea how to do a proper cutting diet, but my bulking diet I KNOW will more than suffice and very little improvements can be made. I've went to several dieticians/nutritionists in the area who helped me with some minor changes and additions, all checks out on the GI. If there is one thing I am 100% confident and certain with, it would be my diet. Note in my original post, I only included a few things I eat, not all of them.

People seriously underestimating what kind of pain I'm willing to go through to get the body I want. I am like that terrorist you torture over and over and over again trying to get him to break, but he just will not because he is willing to die for his cause.

Not even close whatsoever.

[mirin_serratus]

everything good in life has risks, if he's willing to take the risk let him be
i'd rather look good in the prime of my life than waste it on perfect diet and training 24/7, just an opinion

[objective33]

Not even close whatsoever.

I believe you are unaware. 9 grain bagels and branflakes/ oat bran are complex carbs, and rice cakes are on the high end of the GI meaning they are quickly used as energy during exercise. Studies also show that protein intaken 1-3 hours before exercise aids in protein synthesis, hence the peanut butter. If I were cutting these foods would be unacceptable, but I clearly stated that I am bulking. I believe in a carb heavy, high protein, moderate diet during a bulk. This is why I also drink a 3L bottle of water with packet of purple gatorade and 20g of BCAAs that Ijust continue diluting all day. I do agree that I do need more even protein distribution throughout the day and I've tried supplementing that with almonds, nuts or cans of tuna because beef and chicken are so damn expensive that twice a day consumption is out of the question.

You should spend a little less time spewing and reading broscience posted on these forums, and spend more time reading legitimate research articles so you can enlighten yourself on the ignorant broscience you try to spew to others. I was eating 4000 calories a day during pct and off cycle recovery time while staying between 8 and 9% bf while eating carbs, carbs, carbs, hell I might even need to bump it to 4500 to 5000 calories just to maximize gains on cycle.

I also believe you only need so much protein, because if you are consuming more than 2x your bodyweight, you are only doing more harm to your body then good.

Feel free to try and prove me wrong. I would like to see a proper explanation along with the credible study to support your claims. I am near the top of the class in terms of my GPA, and I will be a strength and conditioning coach in a few more years, so I HAVE to know what I am talking about.