Bringing it to the next level! 12 week Prop/var cycle. DONE RIGHT!

[ANIMAL]

I've been planning this for months, putting together what I feel will turn my love and dedication to a whole other level!

I haven't touched any gear for over 4 years now and I couldn't be happier with my progress I've made naturally. Within those 4 years I told myself I would never touch anything until I literally did more research then the human brain could hold. 4 years+ later, I'm back with a basic, yet efficient setup that should bring my body to the next level.

I see so many logs here with people going on a CRAZY cycle with a SHIT diet and their results are well, lacking. Seems like a lot of people spend so much money on a cycle and have NO IDEA what they are doing. I've played a lot of sports when I was younger and all my coaches taught me that FORM comes before FUNCTION. You can't expect to gain any muscle by benching 315lbs going down 1 inch from grabbing the bar off the rack. I took this method with me, and I may not be able to curl 55lb. dumbbells, or bench 400lbs, but my height/weight ratio/looks puts those people to shame.

My life revolves around proper nutrition and heavy lifting. I've worked on my diet for months and months, shedding away fat like it was my job. I started at 173lbs. in January 2012, currently I weigh 155lbs. No fat burners, no supplements... just straight nutrition. I take in no extra creatine other then what is in my hemo rage.

ANYWAY, enough of the story. I wanted to start this log to see the progress of my 12 week journey.

Currently I am taking 1,500 calories in a 45p/40c/15f split. I do plan on continuing this diet as I will increase calories seeing how my body responds to the gear.

My stats:
26
5'4
150lbs.

(thanks to GB over the months in the nutrition section for his expertise)

Starting Diet for workout days:

Breakfast:
2 whole eggs
1 ezekial bread
2 egg whites

Snack:
3.5oz grilled chicken or 99% lean ground turkey
dark green vegetable

Lunch:
3.5oz grilled chicken or 99% lean ground turkey
dark green vegetable

Pre-Workout:
4oz grilled chicken
290g sweet potato

Post-Workout:
1scoop protizyme peanut butter cookie protein
1cup Bob's red mill rolled oats

Post Post Workout:
3.25 grilled chicken or 99% lean ground turkey
dark green vegetable

Total: 1,500 calories/170g protein/150g carbs/25g fat

Here is an example of my carb cycle :

Workout days: 1500 calories/150g carbs/170g protein/25g fat
OFF days: 900 calories/0g carbs/170g protein/25g fat
Cardio only day: 1150 calories/80g carbs/25g fat
Re-Feed day: 2,000 calories/250g carbs/170g protein/25g fat

I stick to this diet to the T. This is on workout days. On cardio only days I drop my carbs to 80g for the day and on rest days I only take in vegetables, no carbs. I have 1 refeed day of 250g carbs where I do not workout at all.

I see diets ALL OVER this forum where people aren't eating any complex carbs post workout and they are eating simple carbs pre workout. Probably the 2 most important meals you can have. How do you expect to build muscle if you don't feed your muscles after an intense workout? The 1 hour you spend in the gym is important, but what you do with the remaining 23 is what really matters.

Revised diet starting on week 9.

3000 calorie diet ED:

Meal 1:
2 ezekial 4:9 bread
4 whole eggs
3 egg whites
Total: 515/30c/17f/47p

Meal 2:
8oz grilled chicken
125g sweet potato
Total:333/26c/2f/55p

Meal 3:
8oz grilled chicken
125g sweet poato
Total: 333/26c/2f/55p

Meal 4 (Pre-Workout):
7oz grilled chicken
400g sweet potato
Total: 553/83c/3f/54p

Meal 5 (Post-Workout):
2 scoops protizyme protein
2 cups bobs red mill oats
Total: 1030/134c/20f/76p

Meal 6:
8oz grilled chicken
3ml Extra virgin olive oil
Total:244/0c/5f/52p

Daily total: 3,008 calories/299g carbs/49g fat/339g protein

My supplements:

Hemo Rage ultra concentrated (pre-workout)
iForce Hemavol
Animal Pak
Bodytech BCAA powder
Metabolic Nutrition Protizyme Protein

Cycle: (extended cycle to 14 weeks)
1-12 Test Cyp 400mg/week (switched to 600mg/week on week 6)
1-12 Anavar 50mg ED

HCG:
9/11-9/30 500iu 2x/week
10/4- 250iu 2x/week

AI: (should have started this from Day 1)
4-15 Exemestane 10mg EOD
(started on 8/17 @ 12.5mg ED, 8/20 18.75mg)
Stane 12.5mg ED 9/1

PCT:
16-20 Nolva 40/40/20/20
16-20 Clomid 100/50/50/25

I hope that people will follow my log, ask questions and learn. If we keep what we do to ourselves how can anyone else grow and become better then they were yesterday?

Here is a picture of how I look now:

[--->>405<<---]

good luck dude! between swifto and GB u oughta be g2g!

[BigBadWolf]

Your going to be a monster!!!

[ANIMAL]

The games have begun! Not sure if I was just pumped to get this started tonight, but I probably had one of my best workouts to date. I weighed myself in at 150... thought I was 155!

I don't really lift for 1 rep max as I feel they do nothing for the body. I much rather do a weight that I struggle to get 5-6 and push myself to hit 8. I've stuck to this method for quite some time and I keep getting stronger. Do what works.

I don't plan on updating every single night, that may get redundant and no one wants to read a play by play for 12 weeks. When I see vast improvements I will update and I'll be sure to add pictures and my thoughts on the cycle/diet/training.

Thanks for the support guys!

[wh1spa]

Looks like it is going to be a good cycle bud! Looking forwards to updates as they come. Subbed!

[Razor]

Subbed!

[ChipChelios]

Subbed !
Time to get jacked!

[ANIMAL]

Stepped on the same scale tonight that I did 6 days ago. That same scale that read 150, now read 161. Taking that with a grain of salt, but just looking in the mirror I've put on mass like WOAH already. I guess my body just adapts REALLY well to the gear. Going for 405 deadlift next week for at least 3 or 4 is my goal. Squats I'd like to see 5+ reps at 315 next week.

Last week was my first week and I'm ditching the prop for cyp. The pain is just not worth it to me and pinning EOD is getting annoying. So it will be Cyp 250mg 2x/week, everything else will stay the same. Also got test flu after my second PIN, that was fun! Was fine in 24 hours though.

[Brohim]

I thought you were done with gear. You just going to do better pCT this time? Good luck and plz keep log all the way past PCT.

[ANIMAL]

I thought you were done with gear. You just going to do better pCT this time? Good luck and plz keep log all the way past PCT.

I didn't do anything correctly my first time around. I haven't touched anything in years. After doing so much research, seeing exactly where I went wrong, going back and forth with a lot of vets on this forum I feel very confident with my knowledge and guidance I received over the past 4 years.

If you know my story and followed my HCG thread you know my history... no pct, no hcg, nothing. I took myself on a roller coaster for quite some time. I know how everything works now, I'm much older and mature, I have an amazing doctor if need be and I'm at a very stable state of mind. I wouldn't have even considered any of this if I didn't feel 110%.

I've been helping others with my personal experience and I hope I have reached out to them before they get into any trouble like I did.

I will be logging past PCT 100%.

[Scabtree]

This should really be great! looking forward to your posts of your progress

[Brohim]

Loos good man. Your diet and training seem spot on, looks like you don't need much more mass. A var only cycle would illict good results with minimal HPTA supression. But w/ HCG and solid PCT you should recover ok.

[ANIMAL]

Changed up my current cycle to accommodate the different compounds. Edited first post. Will look it as an anavar jump start since I'm already starting to see changes.

[Trying-Hard]

Stepped on the same scale tonight that I did 6 days ago. That same scale that read 150, now read 161. Taking that with a grain of salt, but just looking in the mirror I've put on mass like WOAH already. I guess my body just adapts REALLY well to the gear. Going for 405 deadlift next week for at least 3 or 4 is my goal. Squats I'd like to see 5+ reps at 315 next week.

Last week was my first week and I'm ditching the prop for cyp. The pain is just not worth it to me and pinning EOD is getting annoying. So it will be Cyp 250mg 2x/week, everything else will stay the same. Also got test flu after my second PIN, that was fun! Was fine in 24 hours though.

So you gained the amount of weight in 6 days that I am hoping for after 12 weeks..LOL.

Keep it up.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

So you gained the amount of weight in 6 days that I am hoping for after 12 weeks..LOL.

Keep it up.

It's not the same he's coming from 150 ur already 180 with 18.5" arms.
When I started @ 162 I got to 187 in less than 4 weeks now it's not the same I'm 180 to get to 190 it would take 12 weeks with 5000 cals

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

It's not the same he's coming from 150 ur already 180 with 18.5" arms.
When I started @ 162 I got to 187 in less than 4 weeks now it's not the same I'm 180 to get to 190 it would take 12 weeks with 5000 cals

Don't take it in a bad way u are verry lean wich will give u the chance to bulk hard and the juice will keep the fat off and ur gonna end up with really good gains hopefully
Good like

[Trying-Hard]

Oh he won't take it the wrong way...he looks way bigger than me in his avatar..=)

[ANIMAL]

I get to 180 with ease on a bulk. It's just a lot of weight for someone who is 5'4. We shall see come February what I decide to do. But for now it's about adding 10-15 lbs. of muscle and getting rock hard with single digit BF%.

[Deltaflaze]

Should be good. Subscribed. Where'd you learn your nutrition habits?

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

I get to 180 with ease on a bulk. It's just a lot of weight for someone who is 5'4. We shall see come February what I decide to do. But for now it's about adding 10-15 lbs. of muscle and getting rock hard with single digit BF%.

That is by far the best plan ever....

[ANIMAL]

Should be good. Subscribed. Where'd you learn your nutrition habits?

A lot of trial and error. I've read a lot of studies on nutrition, read different peoples diets (analyzed them), different websites had a lot of info, asked a lot of questions and gained a lot of knowledge from GB in the nutrition section of this forum. Everyone is different, you just need to listen to your body.

Everyones first step is to find out WHAT a carb/protein/fat actually does for the body.

Another part was figuring out HOW to eat. Many people think eat as much protein as possible and everything will fall into place, yet they are tired ALL the time. Well, our body receives it's energy from carbs/fats. Don't have them in your diet, I promise you your workouts will fail and you will feel lethargic. I know this because I purposely put my body in this state to see what would happen. I am not one to just read something and assume it's true. I want to know exactly how my body works and if I change something I want to know what exactly it will change and why. (obviously there are keto diets where there are no carbs)

On a cut you will be taking in more protein then carbs, but you need to utilize your carb as energy just as if you were driving a car. Here is my example for understanding what I am talking about:

You can fill your car to full and drive 1 mile, leave your car and come back 1 day later and still have that full tank of gas, same thing goes for our bodies and carbs. Like fuel is energy for cars, carbs is energy for humans. If we consume a bunch of carbs in one meal and not do any activities that require energy, our bodies hold onto the carbs for later use. If you continue eating carbs and then eventually goto the gym for example, your body will feed off the carbs it has, but chances are you have too much and you don't utilize it all. To compensate for that, you eat carbs to the point where you will use them as energy and nothing is stored.

Not getting into the science of the body with glycogen levels because that's a whole other ball game.

Here is an example of my carb cycle:

Workout days: 1500 calories/150g carbs/170g protein/25g fat
OFF days: 900 calories/0g carbs/170g protein/25g fat
Cardio only day: 1150 calories/80g carbs/25g fat
Re-Feed day: 2,000 calories/250g carbs/170g protein/25g fat

WHEN to eat is also important. I have 15% of my carbs for breakfast, 40% pre-workout and 45% post-workout. Doing this I utilize my carbs in 100% and never store anything extra. The reason WHY it is so important to have a complex carb after your workout is to refill your glycogen levels and bring nutrients to your muscles for recovery/build.

There is nothing in my diet that doesn't serve a purpose. The 2 hours you spend in the gym are important, but what you do with the other 23 hours will determine how serious you are about bringing your body to the next level.

Nutrition > everything.

[Deltaflaze]

Thanks for the tips. I'm almost 25 and have been researching and working out religiously the past 4 years. I don't plan to cycle for awhile (never have) because I don't want to be naive exactly as your first post discusses. But I'm definitely following your log to learn.

[ANIMAL]

On day 2 of no starchy carbs Didn't lift yesterday but will tonight on no carbs. Going to drain my body of all of it's glycogen, do a carb up re-feed tomorrow, saturate my body and not lift. Saturday I plan on destroying legs. Still have a knot in my right quad from last Thursdays prop pin, I'm ready to cut my leg off. Haven't done any cardio or leg workouts since last Monday. Getting mad because squats are my favorite.

[Trying-Hard]

Saturday I plan on destroying legs. Still have a knot in my right quad from last Thursdays prop pin, I'm ready to cut my leg off. Haven't done any cardio or leg workouts since last Monday. Getting mad because squats are my favorite.

Funny, we are in the same boat! I did my 2nd ever injection on Monday and it was in the quad, and for the past couple of days I have been gimping. Today, 3 days later, is the first time I feel that I can walk without pain, although I still feel it. Like you, I am really annoyed that I have not been able to do legs yet. I have been doing upper body for the last 3 days and I feel like such a joker, lol (and probably look like one at the gym). I also can't wait to destroy legs tomorrow or Saturday when my quad is healed up.

Today I am going to try different approach to injecting than I have been doing the last two times. This time I am going to (based on my research on how to minimize PIP) 1) heat up the syringe with warm water to thin the oil, 2) decrease the injection speed to about 60-70 secs, and 3) message injection site after injection.

I hope this takes some of the pain away as I never want to experience that quad pain ever again, lol

[ANIMAL]

Prepared food for tomorrow. 250g of carbs, I'm in heaven. Lift tonight was ROUGH to say the least on 2 days of no carbs, but got the job done.

If you are curious on how serious I am, here it is. Picture of 4 out of my 6 meals. It's all about how bad you want it. Preparation is everything!



Other meals:

Meal 1: 2 whole eggs, 2 egg whites, .25 cup rolled oats, 2 pieces ezekial bread.
Meal 2: .5 cup rolled oats, 1 scoop protizyme protein

1,950 calories/250g carbs (all complex)/170g protein/25g fat

I have been receiving a lot of PM's asking for advice on nutrition and cycles. I will respond to them all. I hope that I can further push others to get to the next level.

[unlocked43]

I really enjoyed reading this thread, I'm going to have to change up my nutrition a bit. I just started getting into lifting again, after years of "being to busy" and I'm getting pretty serious about it. Looking forward to seeing your progress as motivation!

[kelkel]

Prepared food for tomorrow. 250g of carbs, I'm in heaven. Lift tonight was ROUGH to say the least on 2 days of no carbs, but got the job done.

If you are curious on how serious I am, here it is. Picture of 4 out of my 6 meals. It's all about how bad you want it. Preparation is everything!



Other meals:

Meal 1: 2 whole eggs, 2 egg whites, .25 cup rolled oats, 2 pieces ezekial bread.
Meal 2: .5 cup rolled oats, 1 scoop protizyme protein

1,950 calories/250g carbs (all complex)/170g protein/25g fat

I have been receiving a lot of PM's asking for advice on nutrition and cycles. I will respond to them all. I hope that I can further push others to get to the next level.

Well now I'm hungry.....

[ANIMAL]

WOW! is all I have to say. 3rd week of taking var and 4 shots in on taking cyp. I have put on size like I can't believe already. I'm almost scared to see how I look/perform once the cyp kicks in!

Below is a picture I took today, depleted of glycogen after finishing up another week of my carb cycle. I am carbing up today, so I will post a picture first thing in the morning so you can see the difference.

Before

3rd week of var, 2nd week of CYP.


Biggest thing I see so far is how much more thick I got and wide. Also started my AI today at 13mg.

[Trying-Hard]

I was told by my source to take Var in addition to the test but I decided against it and stuck with this forum protocol with test only as a first cycle. Looks like I should have done Var after all, lol!

NICE dude! You look phenomenal. Keep it up.

What are your measurements? (chest, legs, arms)

[ANIMAL]

I was told by my source to take Var in addition to the test but I decided against it and stuck with this forum protocol with test only as a first cycle. Looks like I should have done Var after all, lol!

NICE dude! You look phenomenal. Keep it up.

What are your measurements? (chest, legs, arms)

I swear by var. The pumps you get from it, vascularity, fat loss is great! Why don't you add it to the end of your cycle, or start it now?

I didn't take any measurements before, I guess I should have. Maybe I'll take them now and then compare each week.

[Trying-Hard]

I swear by var. The pumps you get from it, vascularity, fat loss is great! Why don't you add it to the end of your cycle, or start it now?

I didn't take any measurements before, I guess I should have. Maybe I'll take them now and then compare each week.

Hmmm...starting var now is tempting especially after all the great things I have heard about it, but I am going to stick with the test only this cycle. Next cycle I will be certain to incorporate Anavar in there and switch to a new diet plan that is aimed more towards fat loss.

Ya, take some measurements and let me/us know. Like I said, you look great!! =)

[wellsdelta]

Great job on your posts, I am about to run my first cycle once I get all my supplies in order but for now I living vicariously through you... Keep it up!!

[Trying-Hard]

Sent you a PM bro

[BobTheBodyBuilder]

In on thread. Goodluck OP!

[wolves42]

Looks awesome bro good luck! I will be following your log especially on the nutrition advice parts!

[ANIMAL]

Starting on week 3, lifts are getting unreal. Dead lifted 405 on my 6th set on Saturday, going for 335 squat x4 tonight. I've always stayed clear of bench due to a broken collar bone playing hockey a few years back and it just feels weird. I do bench 275 but it puts a lot of pressure on my shoulder so I tend to stick to dumb bells. Flat bench dumb bells I've done 125lb. for 5 on my 5th set, incline dumb bell I've done 110lb. for 6 on my 5th set. I don't lift for 1 rep max on anything. I'm not here for numbers to brag I can do this and that.

Just to give you an idea of where my lifts are at. Keep in mind I'm only 5'4 and weigh around 160.

Diet is still on point. I am getting very hungry about 5 minutes after each meal, but I'd like to stick where I'm at to shed BF% away. I've added .5 scoop extra protein in my post workout shake as well as another .25 cup oats because I am killing myself in the gym. I use to do a carb-up day once every 1.5 weeks, now I am doing one every week. The carb cycle has been the best diet I've done thus far. It really allows you to utilize your fuel for only fuel, and when you're on empty you can really tell. You have to be 100% dedicated to the diet and not veer off of it.

I will weigh myself tonight to see where I'm at, I wouldn't be surprised if I was at 165.

[ANIMAL]

+15lbs it is in 3 weeks coming in at 165.

I upped the Aromasin to 25mg last night. Side effects are kicking in with cloudiness in the head and tired but I have to get rid of this little pea sized lump behind nipple. I am going to take this dosage for a few days. Sensitivity has gone down, so I know it's working. Hopefully I don't have to switch to Letro, really hate that stuff.

Lifts are fantastic. Throwing 125lb dumb bells around like they are tooth picks on flat and incline bench. I'll throw up some pictures this weekend finalizing week 3.

Had a glass of red wine on Sunday, talk about putting me on my ass! I like to drink, but I don't drink while on cycle and if I do, it's like this past Sunday with 1 glass of wine, mixed drink or 1 beer. I feel the affects of alcohol that much stronger when I haven't had it for an extended period of time and especially when taken with gear. I really do not suggest drinking alcohol on gear because we are already making our livers work, why put more stress on them if not needed? Plus it will hinder your progress in the gym. Also, alcohol makes TEST aromatize and convert to estrogen, so IF you do plan on drinking you should up your dose of your AI for that day IMO.

On no carbs today.

Meal 1: 3 whole eggs, 2 egg whites

Meal 2-6 will be what you see below. 4oz grilled chicken, dark green vegetable and 20g avocado.


Carb re-feed tomorrow. Off from gym tonight and tomorrow.

[ANIMAL]

I posted this in another section of the forum and it got lost:

If you look at what we want HCG to do then logically you can dose it on what it actually does. Taking it from the start of a cycle , is pointless if you are using CYP/Enanthate . Prop is a different story, because it's fast acting.

Either compound kicks in around the 3rd week. So at the beginning of week 4 you start your HCG. It WILL lose it's potency in your body if you continue it from week 4-12, that's 8 weeks on. Instead you would cycle it throughout:

3 weeks off
3 week on @ 500iu 2x/week
2 weeks off
2 weeks on @ 500iu 2x/week
2 weeks off

That would bring you to week 12. You start PCT on week 14. At this time you load on HCG to shock your testicles into producing TEST on it's own since your test levels are dropping being that you have been without CYP/Enan for 2 weeks.

Week 1 1000iu 2x
Week 2 500iu 2x
Week 3 250iu 2x
Week 4 250iu 2x

[RaginCajun]

lookin good animal! do you plan on competing?

[ANIMAL]

lookin good animal! do you plan on competing?

I've been going back and forth with the idea, think it would be a fun experience. I'll see where I am at the end of this cycle. I have a lot of work ahead of me if I want to compete.