18 Years Old - First Cycle Log

[Deequarius]

Hello everyone! Some of you may remember me from my thread a few months back about having Low T (316 ng/dl). I had the tests done during my finals weeks and after reading how stress and other things can affect your hormone levels I decided to have my tests done again a few weeks after classes were over. The changes were night and day. My new results came in at 649 ng/dl. With continued research I now believe the reason for my dip in testosterone levels can be attributed to my high stress levels with school which subsequently affected my sleeping and accutane. I have found a lot of logs of guys having significant disruption in previously healthy testosterone levels due to accutane and I think that was/is a factor in my test levels.

Anyways onto the real topic of this thread... I am running my first cycle. It will be oral only because I hate needles. I recently purchased some dbol tablets from a guy wearing a black hoodie and sunglasses standing outside my local gym. He told me they were dbol and he seemed trustworthy so I just ran with it...

Just kidding... lol. Anyway my real cycle is as follows:
Week 1-12: 500 mg Test E (split twice on AM Thurs. & PM Sunday)
Week 1-4: 80 mg Var ED (40 mg AM & 40 mg PM)
Week 2-12: 0.25 mg Armidex EOD (adjusted as needed)
Week 14-18: Clomid 75/50/50/50
Week 14-18: Nolva 40/20/20/20

I decided to go ahead and get an opinion from a professional and told my doctor. He told me that he has had other kids similar to my age discuss cycling with him and he agreed to not stand in my way because he knows that I know my stuff when it comes to things that I put into my body and that I am a responsible person. He will help me monitor my blood work which we will be doing every 4 weeks. I have been going through this doctor for sometime now and he has viewed by growth plates from x-rays from past injuries and can clearly see that they have fused. I suppose before I get ahead of myself anymore I should post my stats...

Height: 6'2''
Weight (before first pin): 191 pounds - 9.8% BF
Lifting experience: 6 years, two with strict diet.

Diet as follows: Protein: 210 grams, Fat: 90 grams, Carbs: 740.
Again, my diet is rough. It's what I am to hit at the very least on the daily basis but lately I've been exceeding it.

My cycle is already underway. I just started my fourth week today. Pinning honestly does not hurt in any way for me and I actually kind of look forward to when I get to do it again. More than one person on these forums have told me not to cycle, stating that I am too young and what not. I guess I just know too many people who have cycled at my age and even younger and have had proper blood-work done and recovered completely. I check my balls every day for decrease in size as well as my nipples for sensitivity or enlargement. My doctor told me if my balls show any signs of retreating that he would gladly administer me hCG so I am not worried in that department. Another reason I decided to start this log is because I believe I am reacting different to this cycle then is typical. My weight before my first pin was 191 pounds... Today I weigh 209 and my gains show no signs of slowing down. Lastly, I would like to do this log which I know will put me under-fire from a lot of people who believe what I am doing is wrong at my age as something that someone my own age can look at and actually see what could happen if you cycle at my age. Whether the results be ridiculous gains or be huge gyno bitch-tits, infertility and the inability to locate my own testicles, being on TRT for the rest of my natural life and reverting back 10 pounds from where I started... you guys all will be the first to know. I will be logging my progress and commenting/answering questions that others may have or maybe getting answers to questions that I may have.

The journey has begun. Let's see where it takes us.

[EquilibriumZ]

I don't condone cycling at this age but you should use hcg since it will make you recover faster. Ask your doc about it

[The Deadlifting Dog]

You shouldn't be running an oral for 12 weeks.
You shouldn't be cycling at 18 years old.

[Deequarius]

My bad on the oral. I was pretty tired last night.. Not sure why I listed 12 weeks. Only doing four weeks... Just a little instant gratification. And yeah, I don't expect too many of you guys to accept my cycling... I'm doing this for myself and I want to shed some light on this controversial age so others can see and so I can ask some questions too if I come across them.

[Deequarius]

Decided I'd dabble in hCG if I noticed some testicular atrophy... But until then, I'm riding free.

[Darkness]

Decided I'd dabble in hCG if I noticed some testicular atrophy... But until then, I'm riding free.

Dont ride free, because you will get atrophy.

[RigPig]

Why run PCT if you are on TRT anyway?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Why run PCT if you are on TRT anyway?

He's not on TRT.

[RigPig]

He's not on TRT.

sorry, I misunderstood..guess that answers that..

[kelkel]

Decided I'd dabble in hCG if I noticed some testicular atrophy... But until then, I'm riding free.

Size doesn't matter (can't believe I said that) regarding your nuts. It's about your health and giving you a much better chance at successful pct.
You're relatively well read and should know this.

[Deequarius]

Size doesn't matter (can't believe I said that) regarding your nuts. It's about your health and giving you a much better chance at successful pct.
You're relatively well read and should know this.

I guess I have read a lot different articles that support the stance that it does aid in recovery and I've read equally as many articles saying that it does nothing at all. I just didn't want to throw some money into something that hasn't actually been proven. I'll bring it up with my doc and ask his opinion on it and if he sees it necessary/beneficial I will have no problem throwing some money at it.

[ppwc1985]

If you even have a dr that condones this, he should lose his license to practice medicine. All may go good and than you may end up on trt which by the way you talk it's all fun and games. Well it's not!! Good luck.

[Mr.BB]

Why is this here?? Isnt there a place to post logs????

To get more views?? Maybe you want another 18 year olds to follow you??

When you have ED problems, cant get wife preagnant or just tired of being on TRT for life please remember of the youngsters that might have got the same problems just because they followed this thread and thought it was OK to do the same.

Advertising cycles for 18 year olds is wrong IMO...

[AsEpSiS]

^^^^^^^^^ I couldn't agree more

[Deequarius]

Why is this here?? Isnt there a place to post logs????

To get more views?? Maybe you want another 18 year olds to follow you??

When you have ED problems, cant get wife preagnant or just tired of being on TRT for life please remember of the youngsters that might have got the same problems just because they followed this thread and thought it was OK to do the same.

Advertising cycles for 18 year olds is wrong IMO...

I wasn't aware of the the section for logs. I had it pointed out to me by a friend and I'm transferring the thread over there and having a mod delete this one. I am not advertising this to make younger people think it's okay. I explicitly said in my explanation that part of my intentions for doing this is to educate. Too many people on this forum take gear and just basic anatomy as a cut-and-dry topic. It is not this way. People develop early and not everyone is the same. If I listened to some (most) people on this forum I would assume that if I even had the thought of AS cross my mind I would end up with ED and other lifelong issues. You guys demonize this stuff and expect people to simply take your advice. You guys request the same undying faith word-to-mouth that you warn them against by junkies in the gym trying to make a quick buck. I don't think cycling is a good idea for everyone especially for someone who is not knowledgable or has enough experience in the gym or not having a good diet. The ONLY criterium that I do not fit is age. Age is a number and has absolutely NO translation to how I am physically or how developed my hormonal balance is. I probably am on the early side of things but my doctor agrees I am far enough along where my chances of a full recovery are very high. Over 40,000 people die in car accidents every year. Since there is a CHANCE that I could contribute to that number and lose my life in a motor vehicle accident does that mean I should refrain from operating one? You can attack me for using gear but once you begin to accuse me of some sort of social profiteering when that is not even in the same hemisphere of where I stand on things, I am going to blow up. My intentions are 100% good. So please, take a step back and put your pointed finger back in your pocket where it belongs.

[Mr.BB]

I wasn't aware of the the section for logs.

Stopped reading there.... ah ah ah ah

Not everyone is 18 year old around here pal.

[Deequarius]

Stopped reading there.... ah ah ah ah

Not everyone is 18 year old around here pal.

Yeah, I think you stopped reading after the first line of my description of the cycle I'm running which included my intentions of logging my results. And hey, seriously, I love kids man, so if I end up getting ED and become incapable of getting my wife pregnant feel free to send over your own to see someone that actually can physically inspire them. It's not like your 180 pound frame at 14% BF that you allegedly built over the course of 20+ years is turning any heads.

[davesah1]

if only you two were both on tren ace. 60 back to back replies within the hour. LOL

[epixs]

Your doctor sounds chill as hell, mine would probably give me a long lecture( and I'm 26 haha) and probably send me on my way.

As others said , hCG is worth administrating 500iu/week , visual changes might be very subtle. Rather safe then sorry , either way hope you make the gains you want on this cycle!

[Deequarius]

Your doctor sounds chill as hell, mine would probably give me a long lecture( and I'm 26 haha) and probably send me on my way.

As others said , hCG is worth administrating 500iu/week , visual changes might be very subtle. Rather safe then sorry , either way hope you make the gains you want on this cycle!

Yeah he's a really understanding guy and I have coached his kids on the swim team for the past few years so he really likes me. I am definitely leaning towards the hCG ... How is a slim pin of hCG in the belly compared to a 23g pin of test in the glutes? Is there any pain? Visually it doesn't look too bad.

[kelkel]

I guess I have read a lot different articles that support the stance that it does aid in recovery and I've read equally as many articles saying that it does nothing at all. I just didn't want to throw some money into something that hasn't actually been proven. I'll bring it up with my doc and ask his opinion on it and if he sees it necessary/beneficial I will have no problem throwing some money at it.

Why does he make this decision? Did he decide on your cycle as well? See my point?
Going on cycle is simply self induced hypogonadic hypogonadism.
Google Pregnyl and read the package insert. One of it's uses is for just that.

[Deequarius]

Why does he make this decision? Did he decide on your cycle as well? See my point?
Going on cycle is simply self induced hypogonadic hypogonadism.
Google Pregnyl and read the package insert. One of it's uses is for just that.

I just still don't know weather it is really as effective as some would like it to be. I see so many conflicting studies with some saying that it works and others saying that it doesn't at all.

[michael30]

Personally i feel you should have and could have kept making great gains naturally. An think that would of been your best route. But this is your choice i hope it works out well for you! One thing i would of been nervous about if i was you, was you already seem to have alittle issue with low t. I hope this cycle doesnt shut you down for good at 18. Because i will be completely honest im on trt and truely wish i wasnt anyways im not here to lecture. I hope this turns out as a positive experience. And not a nightmare.

[michael30]

Op ive been on trt for 6 years and just started using hcg 6months ago. Even after all that time of not using it i can tell a difference. I would strongly recommend it.

[sixfootseven]

Good advice in here. Don't advise someone so young to cycle but if you were older you would want to Dose the var ~ every 8 hours, and run it for 6 weeks. Also I'm under the impression that aromasin is easier on you lipid panel, so thats what i went with. Run the hcg it can only help, why would you not?

[Deequarius]

Good advice in here. Don't advise someone so young to cycle but if you were older you would want to Dose the var ~ every 8 hours, and run it for 6 weeks. Also I'm under the impression that aromasin is easier on you lipid panel, so thats what i went with. Run the hcg it can only help, why would you not?

Basically the only thing holding me back is money. I am trying to save to fund myself through this coming year of college... I know my body is the most important thing but I just don't want to throw money at something that could potentially be bunk.

[epixs]

Ultimately its your own decision man, but hcG compared to some of the other injectibles is relatively inexpensive. Cost you max a benjamin for 2 vials (2 cycles if your doing 500iu/week -12 week cycles), definitely go with it.

[kapper]

Basically the only thing holding me back is money. I am trying to save to fund myself through this coming year of college... I know my body is the most important thing but I just don't want to throw money at something that could potentially be bunk.

If you cant afford HCG or your worried about money then how will you afford food and supps for this cycle? My HCG was cheaper than my needles and its Pregnal.. I think you should spend more to consider the risks your taking st aged 18

[Back In Black]

This is in the wrong section I'll arrange to have it moved.

[EquilibriumZ]

Basically the only thing holding me back is money. I am trying to save to fund myself through this coming year of college... I know my body is the most important thing but I just don't want to throw money at something that could potentially be bunk.

Lol man if you cant afford like $50 to save your body.. Then i suggest you never cycle again till you have the money for a stable economy

[Deequarius]

Lol man if you cant afford like $50 to save your body.. Then i suggest you never cycle again till you have the money for a stable economy

my source isn't giving me this stuff out for $50 man. More along the lines of $150 for 5000 IU

[Deequarius]

If you cant afford HCG or your worried about money then how will you afford food and supps for this cycle? My HCG was cheaper than my needles and its Pregnal.. I think you should spend more to consider the risks your taking st aged 18

I'm spending a lot on supps and food and that's why I'm trying to watch where I spend elective purchases. I can afford the HCG . I just question it's actual viability. Can anyone here say that there recovery was significantly/noticeably improved with the use of HCG?

[kelkel]

I'm spending a lot on supps and food and that's why I'm trying to watch where I spend elective purchases. I can afford the HCG . I just question it's actual viability. Can anyone here say that there recovery was significantly/noticeably improved with the use of HCG?

That's simply naive. Obviously you have access to the internet. Or simply read writings by some of the top Doc's such as Shippen, Crisler, Morgantaler or even Vergel.

[Deequarius]

That's simply naive. Obviously you have access to the internet. Or simply read writings by some of the top Doc's such as Shippen, Crisler, Morgantaler or even Vergel.

okay I will go out on a limb here and say that HCG is effective... Would you say at the price point of $150 for 5000 IU it is worth it?

[kelkel]

okay I will go out on a limb here and say that HCG is effective... Would you say at the price point of $150 for 5000 IU it is worth it?

No, that's a rip off. Search the internet as it's much cheaper than that.

[EquilibriumZ]

You said your doc will prescribe u if u ask him. So why not

[Deequarius]

7/5 - Experiencing a little bit of puffiness in my left nipple but not my right. Checked for lumps and nothing and it doesn't hurt.. Increasing my dosage of adex to .375 and seeing if I see some change.. Not full on gyno but i don't like the way it looks visually. Hit shoulders hard today. Haven't had huge strength gains but more endurance gains. I can't seem to reach the point where I feel like I burnt out a muscle group. Currently staying with some friends in Chicago. No scale so will have to wait until I get home Monday. Would say I am nearing the 210 mark.

[Deequarius]

7/6 - Rest day. Looking forward to hitting chest hard tomorrow.. Weighed in at 209 pounds this morning. Getting a puffy look to my build from the test so I'm trying to do some more cardio to minimize.. Not sure if it's actually going to help through lol. Does anyone else have a way of minimizing the puffiness that comes with a long ester testosterone ?

[Deequarius]

7/7 - Hit chest really hard today. I don't think I've ever had that level of sustained intensity in my entire life. Did over 300 push-ups cumulatively between my actual lifts. Started off with incline bench and after my final set I wanted to see how many reps of 135 I could do.. Shocked but I managed 36 reps.. This is the first lift where I can definitely say that I feel the test kicking in.

[Deequarius]

7/8 - Leg day. Cant exactly walk anymore. Since cycle started I've gone up 40 pounds on my squat reps.