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    Fall 2014 Test E 300 log by Musclesmuscles

    Fall 2014 Test E 300 log by Musclesmuscles-forarms-need-help.jpgFall 2014 Test E 300 log by Musclesmuscles-screen-shot-2014-09-04-2.16.54-am.jpgFall 2014 Test E 300 log by Musclesmuscles-delts-arm.jpgFall 2014 Test E 300 log by Musclesmuscles-front.jpegFall 2014 Test E 300 log by Musclesmuscles-back.jpgThis is my First cycle and I am happy to say it feels good to leave the "all natty" and join the dark side.
    Will be running Test E 300mg for 10 weeks 1PerWeek to start but I may switch to multiple shots per week to keep levels more consistant

    Weeks 1-10 Test E

    Weeks 12-16 PCT(will be disclosed latter in log) not sure if I'm going to run hcg yet however clomid and nolva are in there

    NOTE: decided not to front load due to test E taking a while to kick in anyway

    STATS:
    6foot 3/4inches (almost 6'1)
    190lbs
    33" waist
    10-14% bf
    Age 24
    Lifting Experience 4-5 years on and off
    No prior PH or aas

    Training: 6 day split repeat
    Day 1)forearms, shoulders, calfs
    Day 2)Quads, hams,
    Day 3)Rest
    day 4)chest, tri's
    Day 5)back, bi's
    Day 6)rest

    Diet
    first meal asap when I wake up...meals continue every 3 hours after first

    Meal 1
    1cup cooked oats
    6 egg whites
    30g whey

    Vitamins: taken with first meal
    Milk Thistle (1 softgel) {LIVER Health}
    Multi (1)
    Alfalfa (3)
    Flaxseed oil 1300mg {Heart health}
    potassium gluconate 595mg {Fluid Balance}
    Fishoil 4000mg
    gnc mens Ultra NourishHair (1) {Hair Health}
    Biotin 5000mcg for {Hair Health}



    Meal 2
    chicken
    veggies(usually pea's )
    rice

    Meal 3
    Same as meal 2

    Meal 4
    1 cup of tuna (2 full cans)
    100g oats
    30g whey


    Meal 5 (after workout meal)
    50g of wpi
    1/2 cup of milk

    Meal 6
    ground beef or steak
    veggies (corn or pea's)


    Meal 7
    50g micellar casien (before bed)
    1 boost meal replacement shake 10P/300cal in shake


    Shooting for 4200 cal diet as I have a fast metabolism
    with 350/250/75 macros
    Last edited by musclesmuscles; 09-04-2014 at 12:19 AM.

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    [B]Day 2:[/B]

    Day 2:

    Limping haha can't lift due to virgin muscles will remember to warm up my body with a hot shower and also warm up test before stick to try to cut down recovery next pin

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    Day 3:

    Still can barely walk due to terrible first shot in right Quad...not infected just virgin muscle. I'm sure its not infected because of past medical training. Still a bitch I can't workout

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    Day 4:
    Leg feeling much better decided to man up and hit the weights today despite looking like a complete fool in the gym hobbling around hah, anyway benched today put up 205 for 3 followed up with diamond pushups and drop set

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    Day 5:
    Leg feels almost 100%!
    Bis/back today
    my split is a little messed up due to inability to walk properly from pins...will fix workout split when legs are ready to squat

    bd curls starting with 25's progressing in weights up to 50's to warm up.
    preacher curls with 30's
    bent over barbell rows 135 to warm up
    lat pulldowns 95lbs
    bent over rows up to 165 for 10
    lat pulldowns up to 135
    seated rows 150lbs
    Alternate Incline Dumbbell Curl 35lbs

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    NOTE/update to first post
    I decided not to front load my test and have been preping for this cycle for about 3 months with creatine "Green Magnitude" by controlled labs everyday

    Will be uploading before pictures when I get my camera back

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    Profile says 19. Is that correct?

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    tarmyg: it seems I forgot to put age in my Stats section, ill edit that now. Profile information is incorrect made it on the fly...

    STATS:
    6foot 3/4inches (almost 6'1)
    190lbs
    33" waist
    10-14% bf
    Age 24
    Lifting Experience 4-5 years on and off
    No prior PH or aas

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    update
    ive brought my cycle up to speed on this post for the last couple days all at once. On day 5 around two AM right now, will be posting daily for personal record. Leg pictures are on the way just don't feel like changing right now to take pics.


    threads like his ^ imo show the best ways to adjust your cycle and give real world answers to individual issues that one goes through when using

    Goals for this cycle:
    Lean mass and bring out abs to a full defined look
    Strength gains
    up weight 15-20lbs with proper diet and dedicated training
    fuller back is a big goal

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    day 6:
    hit shoulders and forearms today.
    best workout in a while since I'm still getting over a virus from a couple weeks ago.
    kettle ball front raises with the 30's 2 sets to warm up then moved up to 35 for 7
    forearms with the 40's until grip strength was toasted
    hit traps as well because I ran out of time on back day, 135

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    day 7:
    Second pin left quad
    this pin went quite well I injected much more slowly and hands were steady completely painless

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    Day 8
    felt under the weather so I'm gonna take it easy these next couple days, training will resume monday

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    Day 10
    Felt more like my self today however the cough is still terrible,
    Hit chest and tri's today and I don't know if its just my head but the weights felt a little lighter :)

    Warm ups with 135 on bench
    then one set of 185 for 3
    felt a little cold so I played a little basketball to warm up then back to the weights and it made a huge difference

    205 for 5

    then went up to 225 for 3 with a spot
    needed some help with this tho

    gonna start posting my weight as a log on each day as well, todays weight was 189

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    Day 11
    played some basketball to warm up today and man I think its just in my head but I was feelin it, maybe it was the pre workout or maybe the test is kicking in because I had a couple bouts of euphoria while on the court...again could all just be in my head idk if the test could be active this early in my cycle.

    workout was back/bi's
    bentover rows warm up with 135 set of 8
    went right into my max of 185 bent rows for 6
    dropped weight to 165 and did two more sets of 7
    finished with 155 set of 12

    dumbell curls with the 45's set of 10
    dropped down to 35 for isolation curls
    machine curls for more muscle targeting

    hit traps today aswell warm up with 45's then jumped into super set with 75's
    moved along to the bench where I loaded up 135 for more trap iso

    at the end I tried doing more Bi's with the curl bar
    one set of 21's with 65 lbs could only get through the first 7 reps and bi's were failing

    after bi's failed went into more isolation curls drop set from 30 to 25 to 20

    Abs:

    first time in a while I've done abs, legs have been to soar to have full range of motion so it felt good to get them fired up today.
    25lb plated situps to start 15 reps
    155lbs ab pulldowns 15 reps
    back to 25lbs plated situps 15 more
    russian twists holding 10lbs
    back to ab pulldowns set of 12

    diet was a little on the weak side today because I had appointments to make :/ will bring power bars in future,

    WEIGHT : 190 gained one

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    300mg isn't worth the shutdown and pct IMO, unless you have pharma grade your most likely injecting less than 300mgs a week.

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    Sounds good keep up the work and keep posting!!

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    davesah1 the stuff I got is from a pretty reliable source and others have seen great results with the same batch; furthermore, with this being my first cycle I'm betting my receptors will soak it up even at such low levels...either way I'm getting blood work done after my sixth week so I guess its all speculation until then. Thanks for your input

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    Joco71 appriciate the encouragement, its been hard not to hit the bars and some girls are really starting to question why I'm not drinking at all but I know its all gonna be worth it in the end

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    Day 12
    Rest day... went to the gym anyway haha I just couldn't stay away! Played basketball for about 35 for some cardio and worked up a good sweat.

    Macros were on point besides a little mayo on a chicken sandwich.

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    Day 13
    Rest day...

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    Alright man, good luck and have fun.

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    Day 17
    Last couple days have been quite stressful, unfortunately my diet suffered accordingly.
    lifts have been feeling more and more fluid and I feel like it may be time to stop creatine as to avoid water retention.
    Hit shoulders today
    Lifts
    Delt front raises 35lbs set of 10(superset)
    lat side shoulder raises 25 lbs set of 10 (superset)
    Wrist curls with 40lbs set of 10(rest )
    Delt front raises 10lbs set of 10(superset)
    lat side shoulder raises 25 lbs set of 10 (superset)
    Wrist curls with 35lbs set of 10

    major rest(5 min)

    Delt front raises 35lbs set of 10(superset)
    lat side shoulder raises 25 lbs set of 10 (superset)
    Wrist curls with 40lbs set of 10(rest )

    No abs today :(

    Weight:193

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    Just advice..take it or leave it, but with your current stats and strength levels I'd focus a lot less on isolation lifts and more on heavy compound movements with high volume. Remember that on cycle you should be able to handle a higher volume of work and still recover in good time. I don't think you'll get the size gains you want out of the workouts you're posting. Good luck man.

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    day 18
    Rest day

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    Bi/back
    bentover rows warm up with 135 set of 10
    bent over rows set of 185 bent rows for 10
    bent over rows set of 165 bent rows for 10
    dropped weight to 145 and did two more sets of 7


    dumbell curls with the 50s set of 10
    35 for preacher curls
    dumbell curls with the 40s set of 10
    30 preacher curls
    dumbell curls with the 35s set of 10

    traps
    warm up with 45's shrugs then jumped into super set with 75's (3 total sets of 10)
    moved along to the bench where I loaded up 150 for more traps( behind the back grip )

    Strength has felt the best today so far, it may be contributed to my diet getting back to 100%.
    Overall health feels better too now that my macros have had a couple days to set in.

    Diet diet diet
    I have been feeling very hungry lately so I may up the carbs on my diet.

    weight
    195 :)) finally gaining a couple lets goo

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    Baxter35
    Thanks for your .02, I really appreciate all the input I can get my hands on. Its one of the reasons I decided to make my log public along with the educational benefits for others just starting. As far as the compound exercises ill throw some more into my logs and workouts. Could you elaborate on some of the more tried and true compound lifts your talking about for me/others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by musclesmuscles View Post
    Baxter35
    Thanks for your .02, I really appreciate all the input I can get my hands on. Its one of the reasons I decided to make my log public along with the educational benefits for others just starting. As far as the compound exercises ill throw some more into my logs and workouts. Could you elaborate on some of the more tried and true compound lifts your talking about for me/others?
    I also agree with Baxter. You will become a lot stronger basing all your workouts around compound movements rather than isolations. You can still do isolations, but throw them in at the end of your workouts after doing the compounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musclesmuscles View Post
    Baxter35
    Thanks for your .02, I really appreciate all the input I can get my hands on. Its one of the reasons I decided to make my log public along with the educational benefits for others just starting. As far as the compound exercises ill throw some more into my logs and workouts. Could you elaborate on some of the more tried and true compound lifts your talking about for me/others?
    No need to reinvent the wheel,base each workout around a core compound exercise for that muscle group then follow up with isolation exercises afterward. For example.
    Legs: Squats
    Chest: Flat barbell bench
    Shoulders: Overhead press(dumbell or barbell)
    Back: Deadlifts and pull ups (wide and narrow grip)
    Work with a weight that puts you at failure around 7-8 reps, and shoot for 4-6 working sets in that rep range. If you need to drop the weight a little between sets that's fine, but keep it as heavy as you can manage with good form and make sure you work to failure to really stress the muscle. Once you've done the bulk of your workout on the compound lift, you can do some isolation work to force in a good pump/burn. All of the above applies to all lifts except deadlifts. Personally, I like to work in the 2-3 rep range on deadlifts and keep the weight close to my 1 rep max. Start training heavy on deadlifts and I guarantee you will gain strength and mass throughout your whole body. And, with heavy deadlift training you wont need to do isolated forearm work anymore. Just holding heavy weights like that is all the work your forearms need. At least that's what works for me.

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    Day 35

    Things have been really crazy around my house these last couple weeks...We as a family are dealing with a lot and I hate to admit this but I've let it affected my lifts.

    Anyway trying to fight through it gonna start posting daily again soon.

    Workout

    Yesterday I had a pretty good arms only sesh so today I followed it up with shoulders

    (Not including Warm up or Cardio)
    db front delt raises 35 lbs set of 10

    super set into Lat db raises with 25lbs set of 10

    behind the head military shoulder press with light weight 2 sets of 10

    db front delt raises 40 lbs set of 10 (old max could probably go higher will try next week)

    super set into Lat db raises with 30lbs set of 10 (old max was 25 GAINSSS gonna try 35 lbs next week)

    behind the head military shoulder press with light weight set of 10

    hit some more forearms today as well (did them yesterday too)

    Abs

    15 set of decline crunches

    crunches with triceps pulldown machine 170lbs set of 8

    Russian twists 30 seconds 15lbs (used to be able to do more...gotta get back to doing more abs)

    weighted leg lifts(10lbs)

    rest.

    15 set of decline crunches

    crunches with triceps pulldown machine 170lbs set of 8

    Russian twists 30 seconds 15lbs (used to be able to do more...gotta get back to doing more abs)

    weighted leg lifts(10lbs0


    NOTE
    Tonights my 6th pin! I can finally start to see some strength gains also, for instance, yesterday my db biceps curl max went up around 15 lbs! Its nice to finally see some results other than puffy nips from this cycle. hahah joke but seriously I can't wait till the end of my 6th week so blood work can come back aOK. Looking forward to the second half of my cycle will update later with midway pics

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    Day36
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    Day 37
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    Day 38
    Last rest day, tom weights resume. I took an extra long break this week due to an inflammation. Don't want to risk injury

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    Day 39
    Bi/back day, gonna start recording macros to keep my self more accountable in these vital weeks of my cycle.

    food
    First meal=500 cal meal replacement shake with 20 g protein {20p 70c 8f}

    Second meal= 4 large eggs...1cup oats...sups {40p 60c 10f}

    Third meal= 2 cans tuna...skipped oats usually have another cup with third meal {40p 0c 0f} Should be={50p 60c 10f}

    Fourth meal(post workout)= 2 scoops whey 1 cup low fat milk {65p 25c 8f}

    Fifth meal= 2 breasts chicken...1 cup rice {50p 45c 10f}

    Sixth meal= 2 breasts chicken...veg(usually peas) {55p 35c 10f}

    Seventh meal*= (if I stay up late enough) Ground beef patty...veg or rice {45p 35c 10f}

    Before bed shake= 50g casein...vitC...more fish oil {50p}


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    This is an ideal day...unfortunately not all my days end up exactly like this:(

    anyway on to todays lifts:

    Workout

    Bi db curls with 50's 10 reps

    21's lower half bi curls 3 sets of 10

    bi db curls with 55's set of 8

    pull ups set of 10

    bent over rows 135 set of 10

    bent over rows 165 set of 8

    hammer curls with 60's set of 10

    traps with 45's 2 sets of 10

    traps with 75's 2 sets of 10




    Note
    May start implementing 20 min cardio either before or after weights due to some lower ab fat deposits starting. any sug greatly appreciated on how to get rid of this newly found stomach haha

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    I notice you list some pretty heavy weights on dumbell curls. I may be wrong, but Id guess your getting too focused on the amount of weight and not so much on correct form. Be careful with that. If your gaining more weight than you want, either increase the cardio or drop some calories.

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    Day 41
    Chest day

    not including warm ups or cardio:
    db bench press with 50's Arnold press set of 10
    Bench press 135 set of 10
    bench press 205 set of 5
    bench press 225 set of 3
    bench press 245 set of 1
    With spot 265 for 8
    chest cable iso 3 sets of 15 at 65lbs
    incline bench 135 2 sets of 10 staggered drops as you go down
    decline bench 135 2 sets of 10 staggered drops as you go down


    Weight 201

    NOTE
    Thinking about upping the test dose for the remainder of my cycle, haven't decided what to do tho...



    Mid way picture is here(finally found the camera and got my gf to take the photo)
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    Last edited by musclesmuscles; 10-13-2014 at 10:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxter35 View Post
    I notice you list some pretty heavy weights on dumbell curls. I may be wrong, but Id guess your getting too focused on the amount of weight and not so much on correct form. Be careful with that. If your gaining more weight than you want, either increase the cardio or drop some calories.
    Baxter35 Thanks for your quick input, I've increased my cardio and paced back my diet this week and have lost 1 pound already. It doesn't sound like much but it looks like a lot on the stomach.

    Anyway I'd like your input(or any other members who find this log) about possibly upping the test to 500mg/week and turning this into a 12-14 weeks cycle... I'm finally seeing such good strength gains I don't think it would be worth all the sides and effort to only have them for 2-3 more weeks in my 10 week planned cycle.
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    More isn't always better. My opinion which isn't to much I would just run what your running and extend that to 12 weeks. Because if you up it then E2 might go up and then you will have to adjust your AI according.

    Have you done BW mid cycle?

    Looking good. Good work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodacious View Post
    More isn't always better. My opinion which isn't to much I would just run what your running and extend that to 12 weeks. Because if you up it then E2 might go up and then you will have to adjust your AI according.

    Have you done BW mid cycle?

    Looking good. Good work
    Bodacious
    Thanks for your input and support man, I'm really in the heart of grinding right now"sleeping 10+ hours, eating clean, NO-drinking, lifting strong and constantly" anyway I just don't know if my life will allow me to be this committed again anytime soon...Your thoughts on keeping the test at 300/week sound spot on. I'm getting blood work done sometime later this week when I can find some time in my day.

    So I guess what I need help with now is deciding if I should go with 12 or 14 weeks... if I'm gonna buy more test I don't want to just go for 2 more weeks unless thats what would be best for recovery after??? how much more stress is 4 weeks than 2? Thanks again for input.

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    Looking good man!! Keep up the work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joco71 View Post
    Looking good man!! Keep up the work.
    Joco71

    Great to hear from you again man, thanks for the continued support! This is what I've been training for all summer, these last few weeks of the cycle are gonna be what makes the biggest difference.

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