Started 12 Week Low Dose Blast Today - Log

[ripped_82]

Gentleman - I thought I'd start a log regarding my 12 week Test-C blast. I will update this log once a week at a minimum for those that are interested in my progress. I'm currently on 80mg/week Test-C, and 700IU of HCG /week with no AI for TRT.

As some of you know, I lowered my dose from 100mg/week of Test to 80mg/week, and results have been great in terms of well being/libido. At the 100mg dosage split @ 3.5 days, and 100IU of HCG/day, my Total T comes in at 778 with Total E at 27 (blood work 72 hours post injection). I have no idea what my blood work is at using the 80mg/week dose split @ 3.5 days, but I've been feeling great (better libido, nips less puffy).

Although this is a very light blast, I'm doing it as I've had good results with low dose cycles in the past. Plan is:

1) 200mg Test/week split every 3.5days
2) 80iu HCG/day
3) 20mg Nolvadex /day
4) No AI
5) Stats are 32yrs old, 6'1 height, 207lbs, 13.5%BF

My thinking with the above is that I should get my Total T around 1500, which will improve my recovery time, muscle building/anti catabolism given that I'm dieting. The reason for no AI is my thought is that my Total E should be around 50-55 given the blood work @ 100mg/wk. I'm running the Nolvadex since I am prone to puffy nips/gyno since I developed lumps during puberty. I feel the Total E @ 50-55 is still within the range, and it's always best to avoid an AI if possible. I need Nolvadex since even when I was at 100mg/week (Total E @ 27) nips got puffy, so 200mg/week will really cause nip/gyno issues in my case.

I'd like to hear your feedback regarding the above, especially my thinking with the no AI / Nolvadex given my blood work reference and where I believe my Estrogen should be around. Is my linear way of thinking regarding Total E a safe bet?

Thanks in advance for your comments

[ripped_82]

As it relates to my diet, it's pretty much in check as I'm very in tune with what works best for my body in terms of weight loss

I've come to learn my body rather well in terms of "rapid weight loss", so for me it's more important to watch my intake after 6:00pm. I want to emphasize the time as I don't consume any solid food post 6:00pm (may run a little late depending on work etc).

Meal #1 is 500 cals, 35grm Protein, 33grm complex carbs, all good fats

Meal #2 is 650 cals, 40grm Protein, 36grm mid glycemic carbs, all good fat

Meal #3 is 500 cals, 35grm Protein, 33grm complex carbs, all good fats

Meal #4 is 650 cals, 40grm Protein, 36grm mid glycemic carbs, all good fat

Meal #5 is 285 cals, 55grm Protein, 8grm carbs, 1-2grm fat

Call it 2600 Cals / 205grm Protein / 146grm carbs (non workout day), and Cals slightly decrease on workout day as I have a PW shake that is less cal, more protein, and higher carbs to spike the insulin . So my meal #4 is generally consumed no later than 6:00pm

[Cody95]

Gentleman - I thought I'd start a log regarding my 12 week Test-C blast. I will update this log once a week at a minimum for those that are interested in my progress. I'm currently on 80mg/week Test-C, and 700IU of HCG /week with no AI for TRT.

As some of you know, I lowered my dose from 100mg/week of Test to 80mg/week, and results have been great in terms of well being/libido. At the 100mg dosage split @ 3.5 days, and 100IU of HCG/day, my Total T comes in at 778 with Total E at 27 (blood work 72 hours post injection). I have no idea what my blood work is at using the 80mg/week dose split @ 3.5 days, but I've been feeling great (better libido, nips less puffy).

Although this is a very light blast, I'm doing it as I've had good results with low dose cycles in the past. Plan is:

1) 200mg Test/week split every 3.5days
2) 80iu HCG/day
3) 20mg Nolvadex /day
4) No AI
5) Stats are 32yrs old, 6'1 height, 207lbs, 13.5%BF

My thinking with the above is that I should get my Total T around 1500, which will improve my recovery time, muscle building/anti catabolism given that I'm dieting. The reason for no AI is my thought is that my Total E should be around 50-55 given the blood work @ 100mg/wk. I'm running the Nolvadex since I am prone to puffy nips/gyno since I developed lumps during puberty. I feel the Total E @ 50-55 is still within the range, and it's always best to avoid an AI if possible. I need Nolvadex since even when I was at 100mg/week (Total E @ 27) nips got puffy, so 200mg/week will really cause nip/gyno issues in my case.

I'd like to hear your feedback regarding the above, especially my thinking with the no AI / Nolvadex given my blood work reference and where I believe my Estrogen should be around. Is my linear way of thinking regarding Total E a safe bet?

Thanks in advance for your comments

Using Nolvadex on cycle and no ai..? You have that switched around. Nolvadex for pct only and you need an ai period.

[kelkel]

Dose titrations do not result in linear changes with T & E, etc. You need a low dose AI. Even .25 twice per week the day of or after your injection. Running the nolva is fine along with the AI if you're issue prone. Won't hurt you at all. I do it frequently. You'd probably be fine knocking it down to 10mg and save the rest for another day...

[ripped_82]

Kelkel - Thanks for your feedback as I was hoping you'd be one of the members that would reply.

So given your knowledge, the fact that I came in at 27 E @ 100mg/week, you feel that I'll be outside of the acceptable range at 200/week?

My thought is that I'll do .25 with my injection if you think I'll be outside of the range

[kelkel]

Well you know it's going to elevate. How much is the question and as stated, it's not linear. Quick personal example. My TRT regimen is 60mg twice per week. No AI needed. If I bump my dose up to 70 twice per week it pushes my total serum to mid 1400's to over 1500 (labcorp.) Far above what I'd ever expect. That said, your doubling your dose so expect it to rise. Only BW will show how much and you should try to do this maybe 6 weeks in. It's a great way to learn exactly what you need to make educated decisions.

Another question is was your level of 27 on a sensitive assay or standard estradiol?

[ripped_82]

I hear what you mean on the fact that it's personal, and that each individual metabolizes differently.

The Total E was Standard vs. Sensitive

What I now plan on doing is adding Adex @ 0.25mg X 2/week on injection days. Given the increased dosage, I may end up at the 300mg/week dose I've traditionally done.

What I may do is run the 200mg/week for 8 weeks, and up to 300mg/week for the last 4 weeks if I plateau or simply don't see the desired results @ 200mg/week. Again, my emphasis here is to prevent muscle loss during a serious cut that I'm doing, while increasing strength/muscle hardness.

Thanks again for your feedback

[kelkel]

Pick a test dose and stick with it. No need to ramp up later.
Know that standard estradiol reads higher so your E2 sensitive reading would be lower than your present level.

[ripped_82]

Pick a test dose and stick with it. No need to ramp up later.
Know that standard estradiol reads higher so your E2 sensitive reading would be lower than your present level.

So what's your thinking given my reading on a non-sensitive assay at 27 Total E on 100mg, would running 200mg be safe without an AI in your opinion?

[kelkel]

No clue. As said, responses are individual and not linear. At 200 you "may" be fine, you "may" not, but I'd still check it after 5-6 weeks whether you run one or not.

[ripped_82]

Decided to adjust my dosage to 250mg/week, with the Adex at 0.25mg X 2 weekly.

Second injection is scheduled for tomorrow.

[Lifted1]

cool man keep this thread updated as im interested in results.

you running pharma, ugl or homebrew?

[ripped_82]

Pharma grade for Test C. It's the only way to guarantee dosage, and quality control.

The Adex and Nolva are from a reputable UGL/source, so the dosing should be rather accurate. I may throw 3 weeks of VAR in, but we'll see how things go

So far I'm down 1lb, so weighing in @ 206. This is all diet of course since my training is the exact same whether I bulk or cut.

[ripped_82]

Week 2 Update:

So an interesting element is that I've actually gained 1lb, but am visibly leaner since dieting for 10 days at this point. I've not checked my bf% yet, but clothing is fitting different and the wife made a comment this morning that the abs are showing more.

I'm less fixated on the weight, and more on how lean I get while preserving strength. I of course have a number that I'm shooting for given what I've done in the past. From a strength perspective, things have not increased or decreased at this point. I'm rather happy since I've lowered my caloric intake by 600cals, so a strength decrease generally follows.

I'm adding T3 to my cycle, so things will be as follows:

1) 75mcg T3/day (8 weeks)
2) 20mg Nolvadex/day
3) 0.25mg Adex on injection day
4) 80IU HCG/day
5) 250mg/week Test Cyp split via two injections

Another element that's changed is the fact that I'm going in for Gyno surgery February 4th (this is week 12). As a result of the surgery, my thinking is that I keep at the Test dose for 3 weeks post surgery as I want to preserve as much muscle since I can't train for 3 weeks.

What are you thoughts on essentially being on Test for 15 weeks. At week 16, I'll drop back to my TRT dose

[kelkel]

As long as BW is fine (hema particularly) you'll be good.
Have you tried anything to correct the gyno yourself?

[ripped_82]

I'll likely donate blood just to be on the safe side.

I did consider Ralox, but decided on the surgery as I'm of the thought that taking the entire gland out and lipo for the excess fat is the best way to go. This will also give me greater piece of mind for future. I'm also fortunate as I have the Top Surgeon for Gyno surgery in Canada that has performed on thousands of patients, so I'm confident that I'll be pleased with the results.

[kelkel]

Nice then. Love to see some before and after's if you care to document it. PM them.

[ripped_82]

Nice then. Love to see some before and after's if you care to document it. PM them.

I'll shoot you a PM with Pics as I'll be taking them towards end of December as it relates to my cut. It'll be great timing since I'll be rather lean, and you'll see the gyno perfectly as there'll be no mistaking it for bloat or bulk

I'll send you the post surgery pics as well under the assumption that I'm capable of taking them post surgery prior to the crazy swelling that will occur (it's said that the gyno looks far worse post surgery until the swelling really comes down)

[kelkel]

You'll have swelling and quite possibly drains. Know that there's more "mass" inside that you don't see than what's visible to the naked eye.

[Rida5d]

Running the nolva is fine along with the AI if you're issue prone. Won't hurt you at all. I do it frequently. .

Kelkel, looks like aramidex interacts with nolvadex , I read it on the aramidex interactions drugs paper ..
Don't u think that ralox is a better option than nolvadex if someone is gyno prone on cycle while on Adex?

[Rida5d]

A copy paste from aramidex.com

Important Safety Information About ARIMIDEX

Prescription ARIMIDEX is only for postmenopausal women. ARIMIDEX should not be taken if you are pregnant because it may harm your unborn child. Do not take ARIMIDEX if you are allergic to any of its ingredients

Based on information from a study in patients with early breast cancer, women with a history of blockages in heart arteries (ischemic heart disease) who take ARIMIDEX may have a slight increase in this type of heart disease compared to similar patients who take tamoxifen

ARIMIDEX can cause bone softening/weakening (osteoporosis) increasing the chance of fractures. In a clinical study in early breast cancer, there were more fractures (including fractures of the spine, hip, and wrist) with ARIMIDEX (10%) than with tamoxifen (7%)

In a clinical study in early breast cancer, some patients taking ARIMIDEX had an increase in cholesterol. Skin reactions, allergic reactions, and changes in blood tests of liver function have also been reported

In the early breast cancer clinical trial, the most common side effects seen with ARIMIDEX include hot flashes, joint symptoms (including arthritis and arthralgia), weakness, mood changes, pain, back pain, sore throat, nausea and vomiting, rash, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis, fractures, swelling of arms/legs, insomnia, and headache

In advanced breast cancer trials, the most common side effects seen with ARIMIDEX versus tamoxifen include hot flashes, nausea, decreased energy and weakness, pain, back pain, headache, bone pain, increased cough, shortness of breath, sore throat, and swelling of arms and legs. Joint pain/stiffness has been reported in association with the use of ARIMIDEX

ARIMIDEX should not be taken with tamoxifen or estrogen-containing therapies

[zempey]

I took arimidex and nolvadex together for around 8 weeks with no noticeable sides. Not sure if this study has much validity for men performing resistance training with added testosterone.

[ripped_82]

It applies to men, however, it's only an applicable if you fall into the hereditary category that was referred to. In addition, they mention that's it's only a slight increase of risk.

[kelkel]

OMG, read the side effects of vitamin C or aspirin. Hell, aspirin would be a controlled substance if recently developed.

[Rida5d]

OMG, read the side effects of vitamin C or aspirin. Hell, aspirin would be a controlled substance if recently developed.

Clear brother , but they mentioned aramidex by name therefore the question.
Just wanted to be sure
Much appreciated

[Rida5d]

I took arimidex and nolvadex together for around 8 weeks with no noticeable sides. Not sure if this study has much validity for men performing resistance training with added testosterone.

Actually there would be no sides, as nolvadex lowers aramidex potency (what the forums say)
Thnx for the input though.

[ripped_82]

Quick Day 8 Update

So yesterday I mentioned that my strength has not increased or decreased, however (perhaps placebo effect here), I noticed that my level of muscle fatigue was significantly less when working triceps yesterday.

As I said, perhaps it's placebo or just one of those great days, but felt that documenting my observation on Day 8 would be worthy since it may be something actual based on how my training goes tomorrow.

O, and libido doesn't suck either!

[ripped_82]

Day 11 Update

So I'm down 3.5lbs as of day 11, and keeping strength gains (starting to see slight increase as well).

I added the T3 as of Wednesday @ 75mcg/day. I'll be checking bf% later this week, so I'll report on that as well.

[kelkel]

Actually there would be no sides, as nolvadex lowers aramidex potency (what the forums say)
Thnx for the input though.

It can to so some extent but the protections are still there. In essence, anastrazole won't effect nolva but nolva can impact anastrazole. But it's negligible and not linear.

[ripped_82]

Day 13 Update

I can say for sure that the Test has kicked in as my strength has increased as of today's shoulder workout. There’s also significant muscle endurance I'm experiencing as my muscles simply don't tire.

I reported on Day 11 that I was down 3.5lbs, and I'm happy to say that it resulted in 1% body fat decrease as I checked it today.

[ripped_82]

Day 20 Update

Alright, so this week the effects are becoming far more pronounced, and the T3 is really kicking in

I'm down to 201 lbs (6lb loss), 11.5% BF, and my strength is really starting to increase. My body is also becoming harder as the day's go on.

One other thing to report is that I increased the Adex to 0.5mg on injection days.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Using Nolvadex on cycle and no ai..? You have that switched around. Nolvadex for pct only and you need an ai period.

BS you are clueless ? The guy is on TRT and does not do PCT he is doing a BLAST and then right back to TRT dose and get dialed in again, WTF ! Besides your 18 and you have no idea how a man's body is going to react to compounds & have not been training long enough to give advise ? Plus you should still be learning how to train and eat and not a juice expert ?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Kel sure knows his stuff ! When I am on 80mg of Cypionate every 3.5 day and Deca 50mg a week + 100 mgd HCG daily. I only need .25 of pharmacy Astrosonol (Generic Adex) .

Even on 210mg of Tren a week I only need 2 .24 doses of Ai ! Oh even at .25 i get under the skin what feels like acne but just a bump on my cheek never comes to a head and is tender ?