EQ, NPP, and Test C cycle

[IronClydes]

A fellow forum-er asked me to log this cycle.

This is my 3rd cycle, the first being a heavy blast and the second being a Tren and Test cycle. This one, however, is different in that it will function to improve athletic endurance for a mountain bike race season in conjunction with slow muscle growth.

I am using the old cyclists standby's of EQ and Testosterone . I preceded this cycle with a more modern cyclists' tool, EPO. I used the EPO to get my Hematocrit up to the range of 47-49, a good place to start the race season with until the slow-acting EQ picks up the slack and brings my RBC's and Hematocrit back up to the ideal 50-55 zone for endurance racing. The 47-49 I was at will likely drop up to 5 points before the EQ begins taking effect as endurance events and hihg carb diets drop this figure faster than average.

So, starting last week, I began the cycle with 200 EQ, 30 Test C (TRT dose), and 50 NPP stacked together in a single syringe EOD. Following some minor bloodwork coming up in 3 weeks, I will increase the Test C to 100 EOD.

This cycle will last 20 weeks as is typical for EQ cycle due to it's slow-acting effects, which will cover the remainder of the race season. I have already finished 3 amateur races in the top 4 prior to starting this cycle a week ago. There are about 12 more races, the next one in a week, and the following several weeks later - this one will be the first one the EQ should have an effect on as it takes about 4-6 weeks to buildup to that point.

Furthermore, I will take 40-60 Clen an hour before each race to enhance my cardiovascular and nervous systems for the races. I did do this for first 4 races already. This will have minimal, if any, lasting effect as I am taking it only once every couple weeks throughout this race season.

I will be taking Anastrozole/Adex at .25 EOD and Caber at .5 once a week. I don't think the Caber is really necessary in this cycle but, as I am new to EQ and NPP, I want paly it safe and use it until I complete my mids blood work to gauge where I'm at. I am monitoring my hematocrit about EOD and, should I creep past 53-55, I will donate immediately. As you know, EQ is known for raising RBC's and hematocrit which, coupled with the slow growth from it, is why it is a popular athletic endurance AAS.

Current Status:

I completed 2 weeks of EPO injections (1-2k) EOD on May 17th.
I started the EQ/NPP cycle on May 23rd.
I started feeling better overall attitude and happiness on May 31st.
I started feeling more powerful and lifting heavier with same effort on June 1st.

Below is my starting physique for this cycle:

Attachment 163733

I welcome any questions, criticism, and advice.

[ghettoboyd]

I'm already impressed with this log how well though out it is...im particularly curious how you like the eq and how hopefully your race stats climb...good luck brother...

[Mp859]

I would save my money on the caber personally. Other than that, would love to see how this goes!

[IronClydes]

Thanks Ghetto and Mp. I'll keep you all updated

[Sfla80]

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[IronClydes]

Going well so far. Lifting heavier, increased sex drive, and increased muscular endurance.

Curious what you guys think about this cycle I found in our forums... I could mimic it; the Tren A would'nt hinder my endurance race performance as it would start at the end of race season by this schedule. Here it is:

W1-26: EQ 600
W1-22: test 500
W13-20: Winstrol 75 ED
W23-30: test 700
W23-30: Tren A 75 ED

I have everything to do this...I just wouldn't increase the test for another 3 weeks to 500.

[Sfla80]

Going well so far. Lifting heavier, increased sex drive, and increased muscular endurance.

Curious what you guys think about this cycle I found in our forums... I could mimic it; the Tren A would'nt hinder my endurance race performance as it would start at the end of race season by this schedule. Here it is:

W1-26: EQ 600
W1-22: test 500
W13-20: Winstrol 75 ED
W23-30: test 700
W23-30: Tren A 75 ED

I have everything to do this...I just wouldn't increase the test for another 3 weeks to 500.

Very old school bridging with the oral.

And a very long cycle.

I wouldn't stray away from original plan.

Personal opinion though

[IronClydes]

Very old school bridging with the oral.

And a very long cycle.

I wouldn't stray away from original plan.

Personal opinion though

Thanks brother. I was leaning the same way, but was enticed at the idea of using my Winstrol and ending the cycle with a good bulk on Tren as well.

[IronClydes]

About 3 days ago the sex drive really picked up. I also continue to beat my personal bests in the gym. Going well!

[IronClydes]

Update.

Bloods drawn 2 days ago, on Monday.

Total Testosterone is over 1500 (Max readable)
Free Testosterone is over 50 (max readable)
RBC is 5.91
Hematocrit is 47%
LDL and total cholesterol is increased, which was already too high...lol
Estradiol is low, below 5... (Minimum reading)

Sex drive has me treating the wife daily.
Strength continues to increase in the gym.

Thinking I should decrease Anastrozole to E3D or 4D since Estradiol was so low....

[ghettoboyd]

Update.

Bloods drawn 2 days ago, on Monday.

Total Testosterone is over 1500 (Max readable)
Free Testosterone is over 50 (max readable)
RBC is 5.91
Hematocrit is 47%
LDL and total cholesterol is increased.

Sex drive has me treating the wife daily.
Strength continues to increase in the gym.

nice brother sounds like things are going great, the hematocrit % is lower than what you where expecting...rock on...

[IronClydes]

nice brother sounds like things are going great, the hematocrit % is lower than what you where expecting...rock on...

Thanks Ghetto. Thinking I should decrease Anastrozole to E3D or 4D since Estradiol was so low....

Otherwise, looking to increase test, as planned, by 200/wk starting today.

[Proximal]

IronClydes, just curious - how high do some of the uber-competitive cyclists let there hematocrit climb?

[IronClydes]

IronClydes, just curious - how high do some of the uber-competitive cyclists let there hematocrit climb?

53-55% is the sweet spot. Anything at or over 50% is a typical goal...just, as you near 55-60%, it can be dangerous/deadly, so you must watch it closely.

Terry

[NACH3]

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You look awesome too IC! Your doing something right that your body is reacting to

I'm curious as to how you like the EQ myself(dint want to run it just curious) Best of luck brother!

[NACH3]

Going well so far. Lifting heavier, increased sex drive, and increased muscular endurance.

Curious what you guys think about this cycle I found in our forums... I could mimic it; the Tren A would'nt hinder my endurance race performance as it would start at the end of race season by this schedule. Here it is:

W1-26: EQ 600
W1-22: test 500
W13-20: Winstrol 75 ED
W23-30: test 700
W23-30: Tren A 75 ED

I have everything to do this...I just wouldn't increase the test for another 3 weeks to 500.

You'll still be on a TRT dose of test w/the winny(make sure you take UDCA OR TUDCA or high dose NAC) but by the looks of your bf% it should dice you up....

I've been thinking of incorporating it again on my next go around but it won't be for a while - it's a great compound for strength(for me I noticed good pumps and pretty decent strength increase and I ran it w/NPP b4 which I'd do again) worked great for me IC - GL

[IronClydes]

You'll still be on a TRT dose of test w/the winny(make sure you take UDCA OR TUDCA or high dose NAC) but by the looks of your bf% it should dice you up....

I've been thinking of incorporating it again on my next go around but it won't be for a while - it's a great compound for strength(for me I noticed good pumps and pretty decent strength increase and I ran it w/NPP b4 which I'd do again) worked great for me IC - GL

So, you think adapting into this cycle from the current is a good idea, Nach?

[IronClydes]

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You look awesome too IC! Your doing something right that your body is reacting to

I'm curious as to how you like the EQ myself(dint want to run it just curious) Best of luck brother!

Thanks, Nach.

So far, it's solid. Nothing crazy or immediate, but the power is there as is the endurance.

[NACH3]

So, you think adapting into this cycle from the current is a good idea, Nach?

If your BW is ok(that test AG referred to is what I was talking about w/nandrolone ) but your already on TRT if you can I'd run it - as long as BW was gtg I'd run the ace after too

[IronClydes]

If your BW is ok(that test AG referred to is what I was talking about w/nandrolone ) but your already on TRT if you can I'd run it - as long as BW was gtg I'd run the ace after too

I'm not worried about the TRT blood labs being repeated....I'll just do the increased test with Test Prop and stop that a week before the next test (once I learn the date of it)...I will also stop EQ/NPP the entire week before the next labs, maintaining just the TRT low dose alone that week.

Below is the blood work from the labs Monday. I will take a week off of the Anastrozole since the Estradiol was so low, and re-start it at same dosage since the increased testosterone will be present and there would have been a week for the E to pick back up a bit.

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[IronClydes]

Going well so far. Lifting heavier, increased sex drive, and increased muscular endurance.

Curious what you guys think about this cycle I found in our forums... I could mimic it; the Tren A would'nt hinder my endurance race performance as it would start at the end of race season by this schedule. Here it is:

W1-26: EQ 600
W1-22: test 500
W13-20: Winstrol 75 ED
W23-30: test 700
W23-30: Tren A 75 ED

I have everything to do this...I just wouldn't increase the test for another 3 weeks to 500.

You'll still be on a TRT dose of test w/the winny(make sure you take UDCA OR TUDCA or high dose NAC) but by the looks of your bf% it should dice you up....

I've been thinking of incorporating it again on my next go around but it won't be for a while - it's a great compound for strength(for me I noticed good pumps and pretty decent strength increase and I ran it w/NPP b4 which I'd do again) worked great for me IC - GL

I just realized that you indicated I would still be on a TRT dose of Test with the Winny, but this schedule indicates 500 test while on Winny...are you advising against that? Or did you misread it?

As for the UDCA/TUDCA, I already take that and NAC daily, so I should be good to go there.

[Proximal]

53-55% is the sweet spot. Anything at or over 50% is a typical goal...just, as you near 55-60%, it can be dangerous/deadly, so you must watch it closely.

Terry

I had thought I'd heard cyclists experience cardiac arrest due to increased hematocrit- did they just push the edge of the envelope too far to try to get an edge? BTW, I talk about "blood doping "techniques when I cover blood in my Anatomy class, the kids dig it.

[IronClydes]

I had thought I'd heard cyclists experience cardiac arrest due to increased hematocrit- did they just push the edge of the envelope too far to try to get an edge? BTW, I talk about "blood doping "techniques when I cover blood in my Anatomy class, the kids dig it.

Exactly. They went too high on the hematocrit, thickening the blood too much, stressing the heart to pump it, while already pushing it enough in the competition. This is why the cap on the goal for most is below 55%, but many can go over that without such risk....it's just not worth risking any more than 53-55% as the benefits are maximum without the risks of over that.

[ghettoboyd]

Thanks, Nach.

So far, it's solid. Nothing crazy or immediate, but the power is there as is the endurance.

I'm going to wait for your final assessment of eq when your done but I feel like I want to try it because as a fellow endurance athlete of sorts, who wouldn't want more power and endurance...you do look great too brother so nice job there as well...im sure the after shots will be impressive with all the cardio...

[NACH3]

I just realized that you indicated I would still be on a TRT dose of Test with the Winny, but this schedule indicates 500 test while on Winny...are you advising against that? Or did you misread it?

As for the UDCA/TUDCA, I already take that and NAC daily, so I should be good to go there.

Misread - but I was just saying you'd be at least on a TRT dose of test... My whole thinking is why not run your cycle after(your already on TRT and IF your BW comes back gtg in after your 'EQ' run then, yes... I'd go ahead with it!

Winny is very hepatoxic - how much NAC are you going to take? I'd be up around 24-3000mgs/day(I ran my winny at 75-100mgs/ed for 5wks 2400mgs of NAC at least) my liver values were elevated but not badly at all - just why I use UDCA now - lasts long and is better for me

[NACH3]

I had thought I'd heard cyclists experience cardiac arrest due to increased hematocrit- did they just push the edge of the envelope too far to try to get an edge? BTW, I talk about "blood doping "techniques when I cover blood in my Anatomy class, the kids dig it.

When I used to sit in on my ex's integrative Bio Classes and Endocrinology classes they also did a what if you took steroids day - and everyone is asking ?'s - lol - needless to say they'd all find up and say man I'm glad I never ended up trying that stuff without knowing the possible sides and what not - a good way to get a message across too Prox!!

[IronClydes]

Misread - but I was just saying you'd be at least on a TRT dose of test... My whole thinking is why not run your cycle after(your already on TRT and IF your BW comes back gtg in after your 'EQ' run then, yes... I'd go ahead with it!

Winny is very hepatoxic - how much NAC are you going to take? I'd be up around 24-3000mgs/day(I ran my winny at 75-100mgs/ed for 5wks 2400mgs of NAC at least) my liver values were elevated but not badly at all - just why I use UDCA now - lasts long and is better for me

Thanks Nach. I currently take NAC 600 in AM and PM. I also take TUDCA or UDCA 250 in AM and PM, but the TUDCA is only temporary as I'm lowering the liver enzymes a tad. Sounds like I should double my current dosage of NAC by time I start the Winny then.

[Proximal]

When I used to sit in on my ex's integrative Bio Classes and Endocrinology classes they also did a what if you took steroids day - and everyone is asking ?'s - lol - needless to say they'd all find up and say man I'm glad I never ended up trying that stuff without knowing the possible sides and what not - a good way to get a message across too Prox!!

Thanks Nach - trust me, we talk a LOT about them, many of the teen boys are pretty much obsessed with the idea of steroids . Every spring, it's tank- top weather and it is pretty obvious who has taken the plunge. I definitely have been passing on everything I continue to learn here to my students!

[IronClydes]

Cycle is going well.

I worked in T3 2 weeks ago and am running alongside the cycle for 8 weeks.

25 mcg first 10 days
50 mcg second 10 days
75 mcg third 10 days
100 mcg fourth days
125 mcg for remainder
25mcg for 7-10 days then off.

So far, the cycle has produced solid results. Endurance is great (next race is tomorrow) and I have broken most of my previous PR's.

Unfortunately, breaking all of these PR's has caused some tennis elbow, otherwise, all is great!

[Proximal]

Continued good luck and great results!