First ever Test E only cycle

[Jangles1]

That’s a huge amount of protein in one meal, I’d be splitting it.

You are 185lbs lean? How tall are you?

Im not too worried about having too much protein in 1 go.

Ive read countless studies that pick apart claims that protein consumption above 30g a serving is a waste of protein...

Ideally id not go for 16oz steaks every day, but had no issues with the with having a big ass steak.






Not 185 lean. I am 185lbs 14/155 body fat. 6ft

Do you feel I would benefit going for 250g of protein and filling out the rest with carbs?

[Jangles1]

So, end of week 6 today. Full report coming Monday, but wow. I felt RIDICULOUS at the gym today. Was smashing out reps easy while maintaining form. I even did an extra set on each exercise as I had so much energy and power. Constantly adding weight, easily., Holding back some to focus on form and to ensure I do not do any ligament or overall damage !

I was worried my test was under dosed as even though i've put on 15lbs since day 1, I have not seen huge muscle gains or mad strength gains, just filled out a little overall, mainly in my shoulders. I notice now after my workouts I look fucking mint. Guess thats the classic pumps you get on Test !

I really hope it really kicks in next week and I start to see the muscle packed on my chest and arms. I think thats where I would notice things most..

I am aware you dont start building lean tissue until the second half of your cycle. So hard to keep patience at this stage ha..

Anyway, full report Monday or Tuesday once I get my bloods !

[Back In Black]

Im not too worried about having too much protein in 1 go.

Ive read countless studies that pick apart claims that protein consumption above 30g a serving is a waste of protein...

Ideally id not go for 16oz steaks every day, but had no issues with the with having a big ass steak.






Not 185 lean. I am 185lbs 14/155 body fat. 6ft

Do you feel I would benefit going for 250g of protein and filling out the rest with carbs?

I never mentioned 30g of protein per sitting but you are talking 80-90g from your steak alone plus whatever comes from your carbs. Will it sit around your system and you will absorb most of it? Maybe, but that amount would make me feel really uncomfortable. Also, it’s a lot of red meat and I’m not overly keen on a high intake of that.

I think 225_250g should be your max. I don’t take more than 250 unless I’m cutting then I MIGHT inc to 250g. No point feeding your fat is there?!

[Jangles1]

' No point feeding your fat is there?!
'

Carbs will only feed the fat the same way that Protein will though surely ?

[Obs]

' No point feeding your fat is there?!
'

Carbs will only feed the fat the same way that Protein will though surely ?

I would wager that too much protein is 1000x deadlier than AAS. I would also wager that thousands of deaths from kidney failure have been blamed on AAS when in fact it was excessive protein causing the issue.

[tarmyg]

I would wager that too much protein is 1000x deadlier than AAS. I would also wager that thousands of deaths from kidney failure have been blamed on AAS when in fact it was excessive protein causing the issue.

What is this based on? Experiments with people eating a crazy amount of protein have revealed no such issues.

[Obs]

What is this based on? Experiments with people eating a crazy amount of protein have revealed no such issues.

Where did the protein come from?
Was it high in nitrates like the OP's steak?
Was the excess nitrates causing the kidneys to work overtime filtering the excess?

Believe me I have tead the same pub med articles you have on this issue and they are conducted in a fantasy manner. The amount of strain a bodybuilder puts on their kidneys is great enough without added strain from excessive nitrates. Rhabdomyolysis is something we push ourselves to the brink of frequently.

Let me post a list for you and you tell me it was AAS and training that killed these guys and caused kidney failure.

[Obs]

Mike Matarazzo: Frequent top 10 IFBB pro from 1992 to 2001. Four-time top 5 finisher at the Night of Champions. Died from a heart attack in 2014, age 47.
Dan Puckett: 1st place 2006 NPC Collegiate National Heavyweight. Died from heart failure in 2007, age 22.
Scott Klein: Four-time NPC Heavyweight competitor (1995 and 1997), two-time NPC super-heavyweight competitor (1998 and 2000). Died from kidney failure in 2003, age 30.
Robert Benavente: Competed in multiple NPC shows from 1994 (teen division) to 2003 (1st place in Southern States). Died from a heart attack in 2004, age 30.
Trevor Smith: Bodybuilding writer and coach. Never competed, but weighed over 400 pounds. Died from a heart attack in 2004, age 30.
Andreas Munzer: 13 top-five placings from 1986-96. Considered a "pioneer" in the use of diuretics for a super-peeled look. Died from multiple organ failure in 1996, age 32.
Mohammed Benaziza: Seven total Grand Prix wins in 1990 and 1992, 1st place at the 1990 Night of Champions (beating Dorian Yates), two top 5 Mr. Olympia showings (1989 and 1992). Died from heart failure hours after winning the Grand Prix Holland show in 1992, age 33.
Daniele Seccarecci: IFBB competitor from 2007 to 2013. 2010 Guinness World Record Holder for "heaviest competitive bodybuilder" at 297 pounds. Died from a heart attack in 2013, age 33.
Luke Wood: IFBB competitor from 2001 to 2008, often breaking into the top 10. Died from complications following a kidney transplant in 2011, age 35.
Chris Janusz: Amateur competitor, nutrition coach, and contest prep consultant. Died from undisclosed causes in 2009, age 37.
Art Atwood: Consistent top 10 finisher in IFBB shows from 2002 to 2004, including 1st at the 2002 Toronto Pro. Died from a heart attack in 2011, age 37.
Mat Duvall: Four-time top 3 finisher in NPC Super-heavyweight division (1999, 2001, 2002, 1st in 2003). Died from a heart attack in 2013, age 40.
Ed Van Amsterdam: European champion in the mid-1990s, frequent top 10 IFBB finisher in 2002 and 2003. Died from a heart attack in 2014, age 40.
Fannie Barrios: Two-time Jan Tana winner (2001, 2002). Three top 8 placings at Ms. Olympia (3rd place in 2002). Died from a stroke in 2005, age 41.
Charles Durr: Six top 5 NPC and IFBB finishes from 1988 to 1999. Competed in the 2004 IFBB North American Championships. Died from a heart attack in 2005, age 44.
Anthony D'Arezzo: Three-time top 10 NPC Heavyweight (1993, 1994, 1995). 1st at NPC New England in 1997. Died from a heart attack the night before a contest in 2006, age 44.
Greg Kovacs: Competed in several IFBB shows from 1997 to 2005. Known in the industry as one of the largest off-season bodybuilders, regularly weighing over 400 pounds. Died from heart failure in 2013, age 44.
Ron Teufel: 1978 IFBB Mr. USA. Runner-up to Samir Bannout at 1979 World Amateurs. Top 10 IFBB competitor in 1981 and 1982. Died from liver failure in 2002, age 45.
Hans Hopstaken: NPC Masters competitor in 1998 and 1999. IFBB competitor in 2000 and 2001, including two top 5 placings at the Masters Olympia. Died from heart failure in 2002, age 45.
Frank Hillebrand: Light-heavyweight champion (1987, 1989), several top 10 IFBB finishes from 1990 to 1993. Died from a heart attack in 2011, age 45.
Alex Azarian: NPC competitor from 2002 to 2009, including a total of five 1st place wins. Training, nutrition, and contest prep consultant. Died from undisclosed causes in 2015, age 45.
Ray Mentzer: IFBB competitor from 1979 to 1982 including 1st place 1978 Mr. USA, and several top 3 placings. Died from kidney failure in 2001, age 47.
Nasser El Sonbaty: Frequent top 8 IFBB competitor from 1990 to 1992, consistent top 4 finisher in shows from 1993 to 1998, including 2nd at the 1997 Mr. Olympia and 3rd at the 1995 and 1998 Olympias. Died from complications from heart and kidney failure in 2014, age 47.
Don Ross: Amateur competitor from 1965 to 1972, pro bodybuilder from 1973 to 1980 with 10 top 5 placings. Died from a heart attack in 1995, age 49.
Mike Mentzer: Consistent top 3 IFBB pro from 1975 to 1979, including 2nd in the 1976 and 1977 Mr. Universe, 1st place 1976 Mr. America, and 1st place 1979 heavyweight Mr. Olympia (lost the Overall to Frank Zane). First pro bodybuilder to be awarded a perfect score in a contest. Died from heart complications in 2001, age 49.
Don Youngblood: NPC and IFBB Masters competitor from 1994 to 2002. 2nd place at the 2001 Masters Olympia and winning 1st in the 2002 Masters Olympia. Died from a heart attack in 2005, age 49.
Stoil Stoilov: NPC and IFBB Masters competitor from 2005 to 2014. Died in 2014 one week after placing 2nd at a National show, age 49.
Terri Harris: Frequent top 5 finisher in NPC and IFBB shows from 2002 to 2012, including several 1st place wins in 2011 and 2012. Died from a heart attack two days after a contest in 2013, age 50.
Ed Kawak: 5-time Mr. Universe (1982-1985, 1993). IFBB competitor in 1996 and 1999. Died from a heart attack in 2006, age 51.
Vince Comerford: Amateur competitor from 1984 to 1986. 1st place Middleweight at 1987 NPC Nationals (lost the Overall to Shawn Ray). IFBB competitor in 1989 and 1990. Died from a heart attack in 2014, age 52.
Greg DeFerro: 1979 IFBB Mr. International, five top 4 placing in IFBB shows from 1981-1984, including 2nd to Lee Haney at the '83 Night of Champions. Died from heart disease in 2007, age 53.
The Dead Pool?
These bodybuilders are thankfully still alive at the time of this writing, but have suffered major health issues.

Tom Prince
Tom Prince: NPC competitor from 1995 to 1997, including 1st place at the 1997 Nationals. IFBB competitor from 1999 to 2002. Suffered kidney failure during contest prep in 2003, age 34. Retired in 2004, eventually received a kidney transplant in 2012.
Don Long: NPC Light-heavyweight (1992) and Heavyweight (1993 to 1995). Frequent top 10 IFBB pro from 1996 to 1999. Suffered kidney failure in 1999, age 34. Received a kidney transplant in 2002, which failed in 2003. Competed in several IFBB shows from 2006-2009. Received another kidney transplant in 2011.
Flex Wheeler: NPC competitor from 1989 to 1992. One of the best IFBB pros from 1993 to 2000 with a total of 17 first place wins. He made 2nd place at the Mr. Olympia three times ('93, '98, '99) and two-time top 4 at the Olympia ('96 and '00). Suffered kidney failure and "officially" retired in 2000, age 35. Competed twice more, 7th place at the '02 Mr. Olympia (supposedly drug-free) and 3rd at the '03 Ironman. Received a kidney transplant in 2003.
Orville Burke: NPC Heavyweight in 1996 and 1997 and Super-heavyweight in 1998. Frequent IFBB top 10 competitor from 1999 to 2002, including 1st at the 2001 Night of Champions and 1st at the '01 Toronto Pro. Two-time top 10 at the Mr. Olympia. Fell into a six-week coma after complications during surgery in 2002, age 39.
Mike Morris: NPC competitor from 1990 to 1997. IFBB pro from 2001 to 2005. Retired in 2005 after developing signs of kidney problems, age 35.

[tarmyg]

Where did the protein come from?
Was it high in nitrates like the OP's steak?
Was the excess nitrates causing the kidneys to work overtime filtering the excess?

Believe me I have tead the same pub med articles you have on this issue and they are conducted in a fantasy manner. The amount of strain a bodybuilder puts on their kidneys is great enough without added strain from excessive nitrates. Rhabdomyolysis is something we push ourselves to the brink of frequently.

Let me post a list for you and you tell me it was AAS and training that killed these guys and caused kidney failure.

Still waiting for a single piece of factual information!

[Obs]

This idea that pubmed studies can be conducted conclusively without listing the source of the diet being examined is absurd and dumb.

The articles so many believe today list nothing more than macros in regards to diet bearing no mind to different sources of protein which has the greatest effect on renal overload.

This is a highly controversial subject because of incomplete testing. Measuring RMF is not very accurate either being based off urine analysis and not actually looking at the kidneys nut rather what has passed into the urine.

I assure you bodybuilders are dropping dead from overworking their organs but AAS will get the blame because of inconclusive study.

[Obs]

What is this based on? Experiments with people eating a crazy amount of protein have revealed no such issues.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25091135/
Here you go you mouthy little bastard. From your beloved pubmed with many corresponding links!

[Obs]

Still waiting for a single piece of factual information!

I will wait for you to shoot that down but if you would like I can post twenty half assed pubmed journals that say excess protein is just fine for the kidneys.

[almostgone]

We're all friends here, right?

[tarmyg]

I'll stick to comment on the review article you posted.

I find it to be a good summary where they explore why we should be careful about generalizing recommendation on protein intake as it might have adverse and unintended effects when applied to an entire population, especially to people with chronic kidney disease. As mentioned in the article they focused mostly on meat and dairy protein sources and "In our opinion, high-protein diets based on meat and dairy products might have detrimental effects caused by a combination of hyperfiltration, hypertension, and increased urinary stone formation" but the same cannot be conclusively seen in diets high in protein but based on plants.

Based on this review article each person would need to evaluate protein tolerance on an individual basis, just like AAS usage. As mentioned, when they talk high protein we talk 4g/kg body weight daily. Notice how they used body weight and not lean mass throughout this article which is, as any fitness person knows, incorrect as feeding fat is pointless.

Let me know your thoughts on how the experiment they used to showcase renal problems might be problematic.

[Obs]

Gonna go hit myself in the head with a hammer instead.

[Jangles1]

Lets not get past the point that it is ONLY 300g of protein. Its not like im doing 500 a day or anything.

I probably will drop it down to 275 for now.

I would like some advice from a nutrition expert on whether dropping down to 250g a day and upping my complex carbs would benefit me from a muscle building stand point....



Anyone?

[tarmyg]

Lets not get past the point that it is ONLY 300g of protein. Its not like im doing 500 a day or anything.

I probably will drop it down to 275 for now.

I would like some advice from a nutrition expert on whether dropping down to 250g a day and upping my complex carbs would benefit me from a muscle building stand point....



Anyone?

BIB gave you solid advice above and by all accounts he knows what he is talking about.

[Jangles1]

He did indeed say stick below 250g......... I will make up my macros with a simple complex carb oats shake.


80g oats
400 ml semi milk


496 calories

carbs - 67.2
fat - 13.2g
protein - 23.2g

[Jangles1]

Start of Week 7


So bad news today. It turns out my Test was either bunk or massively under dosaged. My levels only doubled when they should be 6 - 10 x what they were pre cyclcle. I HAVE put on 17lbs since starting this cycle. I am guess thats down to the low dose test and Tbol.


PRE


Test - 482 mg/dl
LH - 9.1
FSH - 8.94
Estrogen - 16pg


MID

Test - 1007 ng/dl
LH - < 0.300
FSH - <0.300
Estrogen - 30pg


Can anyone tell me how my Estrogen is looking and if my AI dosage of 0.25mg (Arimidex ) is ok or too high?





Pin

Pins have been great. Less PIP and much cleaner in terms of technique

Gym

Amazing. Feeling super strong the last few weeks. I am puttinf this down to the SIS Tbol that I am dosing at 70mg a week currently. I build it up from 40mg.

Diet

Spot on. 4000 calories a day. I decided to lower protein to 225 - 250g from 300g and I may lower my calorioes down to 3750 for the next week weeks while the Test P starts to enter mt system.

Weight

Starting - 170
Current - 187

Sides

Few spots and massive back cramps from the Tbol.

PIP

Normal dead leg

Conclusion


Weight is going up rapidly at 4000 calorioes. I am surprised it is going up so much with the shit test results. I guess Tbol and my test levels doubling + me being undersized when starting are factors.

In regards to moving forward. I am thinking of starting my cycle all over again due to the massive under dosage of my first 6 weeks. I may shorten is to 8 weeks depnding on results and I am 100% starting it off with some prop to make up for lost time.


Week 1 Test C Test P

Week 1 500mg 200mg (eod)
Week 2 500mg 200mg (eod)
Week 3 500mg 200mg (eod)
Week 4 500mg 200mg (eod)
Week 5 500mg 200mg (eod)
Week 6 500mg 200mg (eod)
Week 7 500mg
Week 8 500mg
Week 9 500mg
Week 10 500mg
Week 11 100mg (eod)
Week 12 100mg (eod
Week 13 PCT
Week 14 PCT
Week 15 PCT
Week 16 PCT
Week 17 PCT
Week 18 PCT


I will get a blood test in 2 weeks to check the Test P.


Stay away from Pharmacom. I am ordering SIS Prop and Alpha Pharma Test C.

[Jangles1]

Today is a good day.

Pharmacom have agreed to send me a full replacement on my under dosed and under filled Ampuls after I sent a multitude of evidence. I will use the products sent to me directly via Pharma on another cycle.

Gym is going well. Pins are all good and even with my Test levels only doubling, my before and after pics are looking solid good. NO massive muscles bulging, but I am filing out well. My masseuse commented today that my lower back, triceps, delts and shoulders have gained considerable mass. Very nice to hear.

Full report + updated cycle schedule coming on Monday. For now here is my 7 week transformation.

17.7lbs gained with IMO hardly any fat. I cant wait to see gains I get on a correctly dosed product.

I have Alpha Pharma Test C now which I will start using on Monday as a replacement for the current under dosed Test I have.

I have been using Test Prop for this 7th week to get my test blood levels up to where they should be. I have been doing a high dose of 200mg EOD and will drop down to 100mg EOD on Monday once I start with the new (hopefully correctly dosed) Test C.

I will most likely drop the prop at week 10 so I don't over do things. For me, it was a very simple way of getting my test levels to where they should be at this stage of my cycle. Test is Test and with my low Estorgen levels (30pg) and zero sides, it was a no brainer.


This protocol was discussed with and approved if you will by a very very reputable member on this board. I will be doing a full Esterogen and Test level check at start of week 9 just to ensure everything is ok.



Anyway, update you all on Monday.

[songdog]

Sucks getting bad gear but at least it wasn't total junk keep pressing forward!

[Jangles1]

Week 8

Cycle Protocol moving forward after under dosage


Test C Test P

Week 7 500mg 200mg (eod) (Underdosed Test E was used In week 7 while I waited for my new Test C to arrive)
Week 8 500mg 100mg (eod)
Week 9 500mg 100mg (eod)
Week 10 500mg 100mg (eod)
Week 11 500mg
Week 12 500mg
Week 13 100mg (eod)
Week 14 100mg (eod)
Week 15 PCT
Week 16 PCT
Week 17 PCT
Week 18 PCT
Week 19 PCT
Week 20 PCT


I front loaded the Prop to get my Test levels up to somewhere a little closer than they should have been 6 weeks in. As of this week I will be doing 100mg EOD for 3 weeks + weeks 13 and 14 before PCT. In total, I will have done 6 weeks of Prop (making up for the 6 week of underdosed Test E)



Pin

Pining last week was fine. It took 6 full weeks to be fully comfortable pining. The pins are totally clean and precise now. The whole process takes me 3 - 5 mins. Good timing to as I pinned EOD (Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun) due to adding the Prop.

I wil be pinning week 8 as follows (Tue, Thur, Sat)

Gym

100 % HUGE strength gains kicked in after 3 pins of Prop. This was the strength I was expecting. I was worried it was another placebo effect, but nope. I can now do a full set of Bicep curls 2.5kg heavier than I could last week AT THE END of my workout. I even had enough strength to do a drop set on the final set. The Prop well and truly kicked in as far as Strength goes. I am now noticing some shape developing in the mirror, even before bed, which is normally a bad time to look in the mirror due to been stuffed with 3750 - 4000 calories lol. All my t shirts seem to be tighter too. I thought I had maybe accidentally put them in the dryer machine (known to shrink clothes), but after 4 or shirts felt tighter, I knew this was not the case..

Diet

100 % solid. I dropped down to 3750 calories to see how my weight would be today. I put on 2.3lbs on 3750 calories a day in week 7

Sample meal



Cajun Chicken
Sweep Potato
Avocado
Broccoli

109g carbs
31g fat
85g p


1050 cals



Weight

Starting - 170.4lbs
Current - 189.4

Change - 19lbs gain

Sides

No sides other than crazy night sweats. They started happening the same time I got the strength gain. Waking up a few times night drenched.

PIP

Pip has been fine for weeks other than on Week 7's Friday Pin. This fucked my leg up the point I have been limping, and still am limping. I injected 2ml of Prop and 1ml of the underdosed Test E (Prop is drawn first so that E is injected first).

Yesterdays prop (2ml) injection in the Ventroglue was fine and the first time ever that i've had ZERO feeling or PIP from an injection.


Conclusion

Very happy with my protocol of adding the Test P. Clearly it has started working fast and will hopefully get my Test levels closer to where they should be in. I have my Test bloods scheduled in for tomorrow to see how things are looking.

As of tomorrow my Test E shots will be Alpha Pharma Cyp (codes checked and verified).


Advice

Obviously this Cycle has had its ups and downs for me. I have learnt so much and I do wish I could go back and apply the things I have learn. Thats not how life goes though.

If I COULD advise myself, and for newbies reading this thread, this is what I would say.


- Do build a better base naturally. I don't regret doing this cycle, BUT having a better base would have been a better way to do this. We all know why due to the feedback in this thread. Even me getting to 185 would have been better and taken 3 months ish. I did rush into it and although I educated myself to a high level before hand, this is one area I did rush.

- Do find a propper source and avoid websites. iSarms forum has a 'source' section. If I had gone there in the first place not only would I have had properly dosed gear, it would have cost me over FOUR times less. I worked it out the total cost for my entire cycle and it was genuinely 4 times cheaper using this confirmed, trusted source. That includes express International delivery and a fee that Western Union apply when sending money with them.

Using a website has caused me to get underdosed, expensive compounds and has had to make me think on my feet in terms of my cycle protocol. If I had a good quality Test E to begin with, I wouldn't have to use Test P to get the most out of my cycle.

In saying all that, is what it is and thats life. You live and learn. I have done nothing that will put my health at risk and have had my Estrogen levels in check and bloods to hand before deciding to alter the standard beginner cycle. I have approached this cycle from an educated standpoint and other than making some mistakes (as noted above) It has been successful in terms of the changes my body has gone through so far.


Its the best feeling in the world to slowly start seeing the results I had read about and expected. 6 days a week in the gym and countless hours of diet dedication, not drinking and all the other stuff that has come with this is starting to become worth its while.

The final 7 weeks before PCT should be fun!


Pics

[Obs]

You are looking much better. How tall are you?

[Jangles1]

6ft bang on sir


Feeling fucking AMAZING atm. Getting nice compliments from people and as Ive said, like most people here, I do work my arse off, so its nice to be back on track. With the correct dodges moving forward and my work ethic, the results 'should' shoot through the roof in the next 7 weeks.

PS - I dropped down to 3750 cals so I can up to 4000 when I start PCT... I just wanted to make sure 3750 was enough to gain, which it was

[Obs]

6ft bang on sir


Feeling fucking AMAZING atm. Getting nice compliments from people and as Ive said, like most people here, I do work my arse off, so its nice to be back on track. With the correct dodges moving forward and my work ethic, the results 'should' shoot through the roof in the next 7 weeks.

PS - I dropped down to 3750 cals so I can up to 4000 when I start PCT... I just wanted to make sure 3750 was enough to gain, which it was

Good luck glad you are enjoying it. Results are showing!

[Jangles1]

Thanks man. Will keep going strong.

[Jangles1]

Updated Sides


Sides


No night sweats but woke up with a slightly sore left nipple. This has happened before on cycle right on week 1 or 2, again only my left nipple.

It went away a day later last time, so not too worried. Its not puffed up, itching or painful and no lumps.

I'm guessing its due to the Test though.

Also getting spots regularly on my head forehead, every few weeks.

I did up my Adex to 0.5 eod at the start of last week (when I added Test P) and I will get Estorgen check done at the start of Jan to ensure my levels are at a nice balance of around 30pg/ml

[Jangles1]

Thought I would start posting some of my meals to show newer guys what I think is a solid diet when training.

Truth be told I’ve always ate like this, it’s the removal of protein bars, fresh orange juice every day, calorie dense sauces etc and being much stricter in my cheat meals that’s made me feel my diet is the absolute best it can while still throughly enjoying my food.

The quitting of alcohol has really helped too.

—

Cajun Chicken (spiced myself)
Avacado
Pinto beans
Lemon rice with coriander

-

P - 66.6g
C - 113.3
F - 40.3


Cals - 1070

I like to eat my 3 main meals a day + a protein shakes (with oats if I need extra calories)
-



-

Here is my Week 8 pic update too. Before and after

[kronik420]

wow!

[Jangles1]

wow!

In what context is the wow lol ??

[Jangles1]

Had to post this pic as its mad.

8 solid weeks of perfect diet, no alcohol, 6 days a week at the gym with not a single skipped session, 8 hours sleep, all round dedication and a sick gym pump = the below transformation

And that’s with underdosed test for 6 weeks with my levels only doubling and been only 5% over what is considered a 'normal' range in England.

Anyway, I will fully update everyone on week 8 update coming on Monday !




My routine if anyone is curious


Day 1 - Legs (Quad/Ham/Calves):

Barbell Squats:
Romanian Deadlift:
Leg Press:
Leg Extensions:
Leg Curls: 3x11
Seated Calf Raises:
Seated Calf Press:


Day 2 - Push (Chest/Triceps/Shoulders):

Incline Barbell Bench Press:
Incline Dumbbell Press:
Flat Dumbbell Bench Press:
Barbell Military Press:
Skull-crusher:
Tricep Pulldown:
Dumbbell Front Raise:
Barbell Shrugs:

Day 3 - Pull (Back/Biceps):

Deadlift:
Bent-over Barbell Rows:
Lat Pulldowns:
Seated Rows:
Pull-ups:
Barbell Bicep Curls:
Hammer Curl:


Day 4 - Legs (Quad/Ham/Calves):


Day 5 - Push (Chest/Triceps/Shoulders):


Day 6 - Pull (Back/Biceps):

[RoyalOil]

It's amazing that you've put on 18 lbs with TBol and an(unintentional) low TRT dose of test.

With the additional gains you'll make with full dosed gear... you're going to look like a different person!

[GearHeaded]

It's amazing that you've put on 18 lbs with TBol and an(unintentional) low TRT dose of test.

With the additional gains you'll make with full dosed gear... you're going to look like a different person!

I like the positivity . Jangles is working hard, doing his homework, and getting shit done

[Jangles1]

Thanks guys. Check out my bloods I got yesterday. So glad I added the prop (and front loaded it at 200mg EOD). Test levels now 17 times my normal rate. Now it begins !!!

(keeping a VERY close eye on Estorgen and getting a test on the 1st of Jan to ensure levels are stable with the massive increase in Test)


PRE CYCLE

Test - 482 ng/dl


MID CYCLE (week 6)

Test - 1007 ng/dl


MID CYCLE 2 (week 8)

Test - 8300 ng/dl

[Jangles1]

It's amazing that you've put on 18 lbs with TBol and an(unintentional) low TRT dose of test.

With the additional gains you'll make with full dosed gear... you're going to look like a different person!

Its mad isn't it . I guess I am very Test responsive. And super happy to report that ATM, I don't seem Estorgen sensitive. But I have only been on a low Test dose, so we will see. Glad I ran the Tbol now, although I do think its hugely underdosed and research into SIS Labs orals backs up that though.

[Capebuffalo]

Bump for awesome update.

[Jangles1]

All is going well. The Christmas period has been hard to keep track with weight and posting here regularly. I am just getting back into the swing of been at work..

I managed to get 6 sessions in over the xmas period (3 a week) due to the opening hours of my gym and diet has been OK. If anything I have been under eating for the last 2 weeks. I am making up for that the next 2 weeks by upping my cals 250 a day.

With the holidays there were some cheat days, probably 5 or so in the 2 week period. I work my ass off the entire year and wanted to enjoy the holidays and all the shit that comes with it.

I started back at the gym this Tuesday and wanted to get back to my eating / training routine before checking my weight and taking fresh pics on Monday coming.

I have developed Bicep Tendonitis in my left arm now (as well as my right) so having to adapt some of the upper body exercises. Its making life hard in the gym, I wont lie.

My body just does not want me to work out, clearly. My long and skinny frame just isn't made for regular weight lifting and this FRESH injury just goes to show. Such a shame. Its almost enough to want to quit, but of course I wont let it win and beat me. This is not due to AAS and me lifting big weights. I developed this issues in my left bicep by incline benching 22.5kg + the bar.

Its simply down to my body and how injury prone it is. I do not ego lift and know how important it is to lift with form. This new injury is the same as the one in my right arm which I got in 2014. I still have this issue and it comes in to play a lot with overhead pressing, incline pressing etc, Cant believe ive got it in my left arm too lol. I have always had issues due to my long arms. My wingspan is 6.1feet lol.


I cant do any pressing, chest or overhead with free weights, but the pressing machines do not seem to bring on the tendonitis pain. Its weird. Maybe because the machines have support it takes a lot of the weight of my arms. Funnily enough I feel it on my chest more as I'm not always worried about my tendonitis. I will stick with these for the time being. For overhead military press I had to lower the weight to reduce the pain. Sucks, but it is what is I guess. I will keep working through this and hopefully it will ease off. I have started a course of TB-500, but I am not hopeful it will cure such issues.


Feeling good with the progress. I have filed out well and have no sides, even with the extra Test Prop. Lots of comments over the holidays on how good I look. So as for the cycle, its going great!

Anyway, pics and weight update next week (week 11)

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Its simply down to my body and how injury prone it is. I do not ego lift and know how important it is to lift with form. This new injury is the same as the one in my right arm which I got in 2014. I still have this issue and it comes in to play a lot with overhead pressing, incline pressing etc, Cant believe ive got it in my left arm too lol. I have always had issues due to my long arms. My wingspan is 6.1feet lol.

Lifting is the easy part in that it is fun.
Most people neglect the recovery aspect of training... think stretching, foam rolling, hydration, sleep, nutitrion, massaging, etc...

[Jangles1]

Lifting is the easy part in that it is fun.
Most people neglect the recovery aspect of training... think stretching, foam rolling, hydration, sleep, nutitrion, massaging, etc...

Funnily enough I do most of those. I need to work on stretching more after my work out, but I get bi weekly massages, foam roll for warm up (generally legs and back) and warm up correctly before each set with a super low weighted set of 12.

Sleep is 8 hours a night and diet is good.

My lanky frame has always caused me issues in life and the big arm span I think contributes to tendonitis issues. Ive always been uncomfortable benching, so much so that I stopped doing flat bench press and swapped to dumbbell pressing. That helps loads, but I wanted to focus on the upper check (majorly lacking for me) and I know the upper bench is the best tool. I guess that ones going to be dropped now too as its caused this issue.

One thing this does though is show me how truly determined I am. I am proud that after all of these injuries I am still in the gym 6 days a week, learning and working through issues. Its tough to carry on with so much wrong with my body. I am so jealous of people who do not suffer from injuries much. Its scary to think of the progress I could have made if my body was as strong as my mind,

Its brutal to have your body hold you back when you're so focused on working hard. It must be absolutely beyond soul destroying for talented athletes who have failed careers due to injury. That shits brutal.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Funnily enough I do most of those. I need to work on stretching more after my work out, but I get bi weekly massages, foam roll for warm up (generally legs and back)

your injury is in your arm.. not your legs and back...
foam roll your forearms and bis and tris....
use voodoo floss on your arms around your elbow joint not on your elbow joint....
use straps for all pulling exercises for a month to give your forearms a break...