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    Quote Originally Posted by Jangles1 View Post
    It’s a big learning curve man. We know ive made mistakes with this cycle and starting too soon. Thats in the past and I am solely focused on finishing this journey. Looking to the future and finishing this cycle and seeing the results once PCT is over.

    If anything this whole process will be a great learning tool for others. So I am happy about that silver lining in all the negativity that has come with it.


    Back to your comment...


    I’m obviously seeing steady increase each week, but you’re most probably right. I’ve not gained any superman type strength from this cycle.

    I am aware of my body being injury prone and taking it steady. Don’t move up weight until I can perform 3 sets + a warm up of my desired rep range perfectly. Lower weight lifted correctly will promote a much better muscle building environment than heayy weights lifted with 70% correct form and lessen the likelyhood of injury.

    I’m not hear for attention and although to appreciate your input, in the nicest possible way, I could not give a flying f if you commented or not. Very weird of you to even mention that tbh.
    After watching threads come and go it is evident that a lot of threads similar to this are for the purpose of getting attention.

    It is getting dramatic though lol.

    Whether it's three sets and a warm-up before you increase weight... This is just one variable of many that you have to experiment with until you learn. Trying to learn ON CYCLE is adding a very complex variable that will mess up the results making you draw faulty conclusions. In essence what you are doing may be very bad methods at way below maximum intensity, but on cycle on a body that has not yet been accustomed to weight training it will give results anyway.

    You need to, over along period of time, figure out how much work you can do without getting to the point of diminishing returns, per workout. That is, how many exercises, muscles etc per workout. Then figure out frequency, is it worth it doing less work per session and train more frequently or not? Or is it even worth it doing more work and resting longer? How many weeks before you need to change exercises, rep range, utilizing other techniques like dropsets, negatives et.c. There are even set out programs where you can try a different approach, log the results over say a 4-6 month period, compare with other programs you have tried and see if 4-6 months yielded better results... Once you've done this you'll understand where everyone is coming from.

    Start a journal in the workout section, you're going to get much better responses than starting a log of a test E cycle when you're incline benching 42,5kg and getting injured lol.

    You will also get time to contemplate on whether lifting is your passion and if the side effects are something you accept vs the gains.

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    Week 11

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    Fine but still get pip sometimes. Randomly.

    Gym

    Solid although tough with Bicep Tendonitis in both arms now. Had to drop most free weight chest exercises and swap for the machines. They dont aggravate my issue.

    Diet

    Spot on.

    Weight

    Week 1 - 170 lbs
    Week 11 - 194lbs

    24lbs gained

    Sides

    Zero


    Conclusion


    Everything seems good.

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    Got my newest blood test back today to check my estorgen was under control with the extra prop. Looks like my estorgen is in control, going down sightly.

    It seems 25pg or around this mark is my sweet spot as I have had far less spots / achne with this level of estrogen. Even with over 1g of test a week (added prop to make up for 6 weeks of underdosed Test E but made it a priority to keep my estorgen in check by taking 0.5mg of Adex a week and getting another blood check)


    Blood work


    PRE Cycle


    Test - 482 ng/dl
    LH - 9.1
    FSH - 8.94
    Estrogen - 16pg



    MID cycle

    Test - 1007 ng/dl

    LH - < 0.300
    FSH - <0.300
    Estrogen - 30pg



    MID Cycle 2 (2 weeks after adding 150mg prop eod)

    Test - 8300 ng/dl




    MID cycle 3 (5 weeks of Prop added)


    Estrogen - 23pg


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    I will extend this cycle to 14 weeks if I keep getting gains in the next few weeks. We will see how my weight looks on Monday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jangles1 View Post

    I will extend this cycle to 14 weeks if I keep getting gains in the next few weeks. We will see how my weight looks on Monday.
    I personally weigh myself post poopy in the morning everyday.
    The reason I do it everyday is that my weight can go up or down 2-3lbs a day depending upon if I worked out, drank enough water, ate enough, slept well, etc...
    If you want to be anal then you can use a weekly average to compare one week to the next.

    But basically if I am 224-225 all week but 227 after going out to dinner Saturday night, I know I am realistically 224.5.
    If I only weighed myself on Sunday morning then I wouldn't be able to tell.

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    I used to do that and divide by 7 for a mean average.

    Guess there’s a few ways to do it. Which is the best though ha. Who knows.

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    Diet update

    Lunch

    Chicken, rice, peppers, olive oil and eggs

    888 calories

    Carbs - 36.2
    Fat - 44.3
    Protein - 83.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jangles1 View Post
    Week 11

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    Fine but still get pip sometimes. Randomly.

    Gym

    Solid although tough with Bicep Tendonitis in both arms now. Had to drop most free weight chest exercises and swap for the machines. They dont aggravate my issue.

    Diet

    Spot on.

    Weight

    Week 1 - 170 lbs
    Week 11 - 194lbs

    24lbs gained

    Sides

    Zero


    Conclusion


    Everything seems good.

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    How long have you been training for and are you training for size?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    How long have you been training for and are you training for size?
    what type of training do you implement and have you tried other training methods in the past?

    It’s all in the log mate. Too detailed to explain in one post. I am training for lean, quality size.

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    what ur plan for the tendonitis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooseman33 View Post
    what ur plan for the tendonitis?
    Ive been dealing with it in my right since I started training and it went on bench press back in 2014..... Ive tried 3 private pysio's ranging from $80 - $190 an hour and 2 lots of NHS Pysio, which takes 5 months to book in and is very time consuming.... Although the initial sharp pain in my right arm calmed down, I have had the issue since day 1 and its never fully gone away. Its always aggravated by things like Incline Bench / Dumbbell and simple things like brushing my teeth in a certain position, or moving my arm in weird positions.

    About 3 weeks ago I started to get it in my left arm. At this point it was just funny. Heart breakingly funny. I went to see a private pysio right away and they said the usual stuff, rest, no lifting etc. Advice i've not taken as i'm mid cycle and Ive had over 8 months (2 x 4 months) off before for the right arm, and as soon as I get back to training it flairs up again, and never goes away, even with the huge rest periods.

    Anyway its pretty severe in my left arm. I cant do any overhead pressing or benching at an angle above 15 degrees.....

    Its driving me mad but I am working through it by using the machine chest press and a 20 degree angled bench. I cant go higher than 20 degrees so I am worried my upper pec will lack, but I am going to try decline bench next week after seeing an interesting Dorian Yates video where he says the decline bench is the best for overall chest building.

    I guess I am always going to have these issues unless I stop lifting, and even then I may need surgery.

    I have yet another NHS pysio appointment after waiting 4 months and I am going demand a MRI scan, although i'm sure they will pie me off with an X Ray and a series of pysio sessions, which is a waste of time....

    I also paid $600 for a 10 week treatment of TB-500, but I am 4 weeks in atm, and its not doing much.

    YET, im still in the gym 6 days a week !!!

    Id do anything to not be in this pain and have these issues, but like Gearhead said, thats life and I need to just crack on...

    My past gym buddy is fit as a fiddle and has zero issues or issues with any exercise yet is so lazy he couldn't even manage to eat 3000 calories a day and quit after 1 year.... Irony at its best haha
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    You can't 'demand' an MRI scan from the nhs,they'll tell you what you can have,and if you don't like it,fuck off!
    Oh,and enjoy the use of it while you can,because it's about fucked,and sooner rather than later,we'll have an American style system,
    where if you can't afford it,not only can you fuck off,but you can fuck off and die...as many do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nogbad the bad View Post
    You can't 'demand' an MRI scan from the nhs,they'll tell you what you can have,and if you don't like it,fuck off!
    Oh,and enjoy the use of it while you can,because it's about fucked,and sooner rather than later,we'll have an American style system,
    where if you can't afford it,not only can you fuck off,but you can fuck off and die...as many do.
    Yeah true. They will refer me for an x ray, then make me have more time wasting pysio, then I might get one.


    I do not think we will go down the USA system, just don't think we're that stupid.....

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    Coming up to end of week 11.

    Feeling great with my results and progress.

    As if tomorrow I will take Songdogs advice and weight my self every day to work out my true average and to see if I really am still gaining.

    I will carry on this cycle for as long as I keep gaining. (Max 16 weeks) to maximise the results of my cycle.

    I am experiencing zero sides atm, even with the extra prop (which will be dropped after week 12 as that is my 6 weeks of making up for under dosed test from weeks 1 - 6).

    My Estorgen is well in check which has always been a priority for me. Like I said before, I think I found my “no sides” sweet spot at 23pg of Estrogen. I will monitor this closely.

    Plenty of EQ cycles go to 16 - 20 weeks, so I don’t see any issue with this at all as long as I am still gaining quality weight.

    My diet is spot on as is my training.

    I actually look to be leaning out a little bit which is odd as I’m still eating 3750 calories a day and have not added cardio.

    Il do a weight update at the start of week 13.

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    Sorry if I missed it but are you going to the doctor for blood work or doing one of those at home/mail in kits? I'm new to the dark side as well and completed my first cycle a couple months ago and ready to start the second. I came back and edited my post because it looks like the thing to do (in the US at least) is to schedule bloodwork through a company online and go to the phlebotomist.
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    I am in the UK mate. Our doctors are more strict here with AAS and its not as accepted as in the USA. Doctors wont give bloods as thy see it as advocating AAS.

    I know a guy who wanted to get on TRT and his levels were NONE existent. They made him do 2 blood tests to confirm then the Doctor didn't even know what to do for him. They eventually sent him to the right place and they reluctantly agreed to give him TRT, but he had to go to the Doctors once a week as they wont send the Test out..... In the end he just started to self medicate as it was too much hassle doing it once a week.


    In terms of bloods for myself, I use a great blood mail service called MY MEDI CHECKS... Its not cheap, but if I am going to do AAS, I am going to do it as safe as possible.
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    What size pin are you using??

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    Disagree regarding UK doctors.I told my doc,that doing a low-ish dose test and deca cycle had improved my life
    both physically and mentally no end,and asked if i could have my bloods checked.She didn't see a problem,and
    it took a fortnight to have the resultant printout in my hands.
    The only thing that she said she'd be concerned about,was if using steroids made me more aggressive..it doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nogbad the bad View Post
    Disagree regarding UK doctors.I told my doc,that doing a low-ish dose test and deca cycle had improved my life
    both physically and mentally no end,and asked if i could have my bloods checked.She didn't see a problem,and
    it took a fortnight to have the resultant printout in my hands.
    The only thing that she said she'd be concerned about,was if using steroids made me more aggressive..it doesn't.

    Its discretionary isn't it. Down to the moral belief of your doctor.

    Why isn't she putting you on TRT ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyGlove1 View Post
    What size pin are you using??

    23g to pin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jangles1 View Post
    Its discretionary isn't it. Down to the moral belief of your doctor.

    Why isn't she putting you on TRT ?
    Sometimes,it may well be how you broach a subject with your doctor.I am very open and honest,and tell it like it is.
    I also do my own research,so i'm not wasting the doc's valuable time.
    As far as trt is concerned,my test levels were in range,and she asked me if i wanted to see a specialist regarding my test levels,but to be fair,i didn't want to
    over burden a crisis ridden NHS,unless i really needed to.I wake up with a hardon every morning,so at this moment in time,i think i'll just leave things as they are.
    Bearing in mind,there are people lying in hospital corridors,because there aren't enough beds,it just seems to be the right thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nogbad the bad View Post
    Sometimes,it may well be how you broach a subject with your doctor.I am very open and honest,and tell it like it is.
    I also do my own research,so i'm not wasting the doc's valuable time.
    As far as trt is concerned,my test levels were in range,and she asked me if i wanted to see a specialist regarding my test levels,but to be fair,i didn't want to
    over burden a crisis ridden NHS,unless i really needed to.I wake up with a hardon every morning,so at this moment in time,i think i'll just leave things as they are.
    Bearing in mind,there are people lying in hospital corridors,because there aren't enough beds,it just seems to be the right thing to do.
    Nah thats fair bro. Nice work

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    Week 12

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    Sweet.

    Gym

    Working through injuries is a pain, but its going well. Progressively getting stronger each week.

    Diet

    As always, nicely balanced.

    Weight

    Start - 170.2
    Week 12 - 196.4

    26lsb gained

    Sides

    None

    PIP

    Random.

    Conclusion


    Really good. I dont see where the weight is going now, but I dont feel I am adding fat, and im steadily gaining each week (2lbs from last week). I think im just inflating my entire body haha. Not seeing massive muscles but I know thats because of my body fat. I cant wait to do another clean bulk then cut down to 8% body fat. Hopefully have my dream body then. (190ish, 8/10% body fat, 6ft.)



    From this week I will be weighing myself each day and do a weekly mean average. Hopefully I will keep gaining 1/2 lbs a week for the next 3/4 weeks. Long as I am gaining I will continue to week 16.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    From a female perspective I would fuck you the same way beginnning or end, from the start of this baseless journey.

    Gimme that peepee big boy! I wanna feel my arms around your narrow shoulders!
    You are fucking MAD! lol.

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    Holy fuck this was a good read! I LOL'd ...a lot. This was a great core workout reading through some of these comments.

    Jangles my man I give you props for putting yourself out there like that. Take the constructive criticism here and run with it, learn from it all, and keep driving towards your goals in the future. Good luck man!

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    It’s been a journey and I have learnt a lot. That’s what life’s all about man.

    Can’t wait to come back 4 or 5 weeks after PCT and prove loads of folk wrong with the gains I’ve kept.

    Unless they magically shrink away because I wasn’t at 76585lbs before I started
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nogbad the bad View Post
    You are fucking MAD! lol.
    Lmao. Even after all this time you get negative people like him who can’t take a step back and appreciate the work that’s gone into this. No base or not. I’ve worked hard and made amazing changes despite all the negativity and annoying injuries I have.

    Guess some people are just plain dicks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jangles1 View Post
    Really good. I dont see where the weight is going now, but I dont feel I am adding fat, and im steadily gaining each week (2lbs from last week). I think im just inflating my entire body haha. Not seeing massive muscles but I know thats because of my body fat. I cant wait to do another clean bulk then cut down to 8% body fat. Hopefully have my dream body then. (190ish, 8/10% body fat, 6ft.)



    From this week I will be weighing myself each day and do a weekly mean average. Hopefully I will keep gaining 1/2 lbs a week for the next 3/4 weeks. Long as I am gaining I will continue to week 16.


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    Those shoulders are gonna explode!

    Also make sure you switch hands when playing with yourself, or symmetry will suffer. That's a real thing on cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jangles1 View Post
    Got a base now don’t I?
    https://youtu.be/nDwQJ64UpFQ

    How dare you speak to mr obs like that. Settle it like men. Pistols at dawn...

    And btw. Youre base for starting aas doesnt count if you need aas to reach it... js.

    Im glad youre happy because at the end of the day thats all that matters but id be gutted if my first cycle even closely resembled yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    Those shoulders are gonna explode!

    Also make sure you switch hands when playing with yourself, or symmetry will suffer. That's a real thing on cycle.


    hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowedzeus View Post
    https://youtu.be/nDwQJ64UpFQ

    How dare you speak to mr obs like that. Settle it like men. Pistols at dawn...

    And btw. Youre base for starting aas doesnt count if you need aas to reach it... js.

    Im glad youre happy because at the end of the day thats all that matters but id be gutted if my first cycle even closely resembled yours.
    I just went and checked the 'Steroid Base Handbook' and cant find any into to back up your statement ;0

    Jokes aside. Whatever I keep from this cycle (10 weeks after PCT) will then be my base. So it doesn't really matter if I used AAS to get It or not, its still my base before moving on to cycle 2, when ever that may be.


    ' but id be gutted if my first cycle even closely resembled yours'



    Nearly 30lbs added, even with the under dosed Test at the start.... Yeah ok. Im sure you'd be gutted if you gained 30lbs with minimal fat (from what I can see). Some comedians popping up in this thread lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jangles1 View Post
    I just went and checked the 'Steroid Base Handbook' and cant find any into to back up your statement ;0

    Jokes aside. Whatever I keep from this cycle (10 weeks after PCT) will then be my base. So it doesn't really matter if I used AAS to get It or not, its still my base before moving on to cycle 2, when ever that may be.


    ' but id be gutted if my first cycle even closely resembled yours'



    Nearly 30lbs added, even with the under dosed Test at the start.... Yeah ok. Im sure you'd be gutted if you gained 30lbs with minimal fat (from what I can see). Some comedians popping up in this thread lately.
    I think you're delusional. I added more visable mass in 16 weeks naturally with test levels at 9nmol/l.

    I dont know where the 30lbs went but it certainly didnt all go to muscle.

    Im certain you will keep all of your gains post pct and surgery because you didnt gain very much

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowedzeus View Post
    I think you're delusional. I added more visable mass in 16 weeks naturally with test levels at 9nmol/l.

    I dont know where the 30lbs went but it certainly didnt all go to muscle.

    Im certain you will keep all of your gains post pct and surgery because you didnt gain very much

    Lmao are you actually blind. Clearly a troll.

    Can’t wait to see your cycle log. Il be keeping an eye out for it that’s for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jangles1 View Post
    Lmao are you actually blind. Clearly a troll.

    Can’t wait to see your cycle log. Il be keeping an eye out for it that’s for sure.
    Oh youll see it. Ill get my trt dialed in and it will be in my log.

    I personally just feel if you were in a room with other average joes and a member of the public couldnt pick you out as the steroid user, there is a problem...

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    That’s a fair comment and BANG what I want.

    I don’t want to look like a steroid user. I want another 30/35% size and then to cut to 8/10 % bodyfat.

    Not everyone wants to look jacked as fuck.

    Doing this cycle has been the best thing ive ever done. I do wish I waited a bit and cycled later. But you can’t change the past. I’ve doubled in size, something I could have achieved without AAS yes, but I have my reasons, which you will know if you read this cycle log in full.

    It’s nice to break the mould that you must achive your natty limit before cycling. Whether you agree with me doing it this way or not, the results are just as good, up to now anyway.

    The “Delusional” comments crack me up. A few people have said this, but I’m a realist if anything.

    I’ve done what I’ve set out too and done it well (in terms of lbs gained). Let’s see how much i keep before getting too far ahead of my self though haha.

    Half of this journey mindset and determination and you’d be hard set to find anyone as determined as me (and many of the dedicated guys on this board) in your average set of people.

    I know if my head and heart that il keep my gains from this cycle. My work ethic in the kitchen and gym along with the way I will approach a proper PCT and therefore after, simply won’t allow me to not solidify my gains.
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    Looks like that cycle has added some hair to your chest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capebuffalo View Post
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    He seems to know what he is doing. Nice gains there. Not everyone wants to show off their muscles in cheesy wifebeater vests bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David LoPan View Post
    Looks like that cycle has added some hair to your chest.


    Hair and 30lbs of just water yeah

    lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollowedzeus View Post
    I think you're delusional. I added more visable mass in 16 weeks naturally with test levels at 9nmol/l.

    I dont know where the 30lbs went but it certainly didnt all go to muscle.

    Im certain you will keep all of your gains post pct and surgery because you didnt gain very much
    I agree with you bro!

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    Quote Originally Posted by songdog View Post
    I agree with you bro!

    www.sighteyeclinic.com

    Get them sorted mate. You're blind.....

    'I dont know where the 30lbs went but it certainly didnt all go to muscle.
    '


    NO bulk cycle adds pure muscle. Fat and water are inevitable. Unsure why people are all of a sudden seeming to be act like they dont know this basic info. Of course its not all muscle you moron. . Very odd.

    One look at my pics shows you the progress I have made. Just because I have not blown up into some muscle bound freak does not mean I have not added some nice lean mass.

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    'You wont gain shit from this cycle' 'Your going to keep no gains' ' you're the only person who has ever cycle that wont get any gains cause you started undersize' blah blah blah blah

    I get comments from people nearly every day... But yeah, ive not added muscle on this cycle.
    I dont fit in half my shirts anymore, but yeah, I guess its all fat.

    You guys crack me up!

    The obvious bias hate in this thread purely because I didn't build more of a base shows some of you guys for who you really are. I hope people who read this are prepared for some of this shit certain members on this board spout. Unless you are literally blind, you can clearly see through my pics that I had mad really strong overall gains, in relative terms to my admittedly crap physique when starting out on this magical journey....

    Keep hating. Doesn't phase me one single bit..
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