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    (Another) Beginner First Cycle Test E Log

    Hi all

    Firstly a bit of a background on myself. I’m 27 and have been training since I was 16. I was heavily overweight my entire childhood up until the time I finally made exercise a daily thing. I’m 6’5” and 97kg (213lb).

    I don’t know exactly what it was but I recently took an interest in AAS. Being overweight through my childhood and not having wonderful genetics I have never had great confidence in myself. I’ve found over the last couple of years even with playing around with diet and training regimes I seem to have hit a bit of a plateau, or my “genetic limit” if you will. Don’t get me wrong, I am 100% sure I could have put more into my diet and training and got some results but no matter how much effort I put in it’s always going to be limited. I guess the purpose of exploring AAS is as much to get me completely focused on my training and diet again, aside from the obvious physiological effects of the substances.

    After doing a lot of research I’ve decided to go with the usual newbie cycle of 500mg Test E per week. Split into two injections per week. Aromasin 12.5mg ed and HCG 250iu twice weekly.

    The first thing I’d like to offer advice on is the injections themselves. I’m 4 pins in and I’m lucky in that I haven’t experienced any PIP at all so far. So many beginners seem to deal with hell when it comes to PIP so I’m glad. I’ve done all my pins in the glutes, alternating sides from one injection to the next. Initially I thought for sure the thigh would be easiest, apparently it is for access but doesn’t take AAS as well as the glutes. I will be continuing with glutes for the rest of the cycle, why fix it if it ain’t broke?

    Effects so far
    Now being I’m only 10 days in it’s still too early on for me to have any sign of any real effects from the Test. However there are a couple of things I’ve noticed that I’ll list below.
    - The night of my first injection I had a terrible restless sleep and had heaps of weird dreams. It felt like my body was in flux with new hormones running through it. This might’ve been in my head though as I haven’t experienced it since.
    - 2-3 days after the first injection I realised I was noticeably hungrier than I usually am, even while eating a normal amount I was still hungry.
    - Every now and then I will get a bit hot, seems to come and go and I will sweat a bit, nothing major at all it just seems like I’m running a bit hotter than usual.
    - Intensity of my workouts seem to have gone up. I first noticed what felt like a change 4 days after he first pin. Again, this could be placebo, but it felt real. Lifts haven’t improved so far but intensity is definitely up.

    So far I’ve put on about 2-3kg (3-5lb). I feel like I’m looking a bit fuller but it’s really hard to tell and I’m not someone who’s going to take progress photos every day, maybe every week or two I’ll take some for reference. I was on a keto diet before going on cycle but after a lot of feedback I’ve decided to go back to a clean eating well rounded diet including plenty of carbs around workout time.

    Things I’ve learnt so far:
    - Inject into glutes and start with Test E for first cycle, apparently Test E is one of the smoothest compounds so until you are a seasoned vet I think Test E in the glutes twice weekly is probably the go.
    - Needle choice. I went for 25G x 1” needles. I’m thinking of purchasing some 23G x 1.5” as this will make drawing easier (25G takes forever) and 1.5” length will ensure better penetration in the glutes. 1” is fine for other areas, for now I’m just making sure I inject as deep as possible with the current needle.
    - I purchased 18G blunt fill needles, hoping that would make drawing easier. However blunt fill needles are only for use with ampules, as they can’t pierce the top of a reusable vial of Test E, so I stuffed up. One of those newbie errors that I won’t make again. If I get a different 18G needle for drawing it won’t be a “blunt” needle.

    So that’s pretty much what I’ve got to offer so far. I’ll try and keep this log going to completion and at least make it semi coherent, it seems a lot of people struggle with basic English and explaining events/effects haha. I won’t post all the time, only when I think I have enough to justify an update. I’m hoping I can maybe help some newbies through the errors I make so others can avoid the same problems! There’s so many little ins and outs and details about this process that many people with no experience with needles and compounds etc can mess up, so hopefully someone gets something out of this.
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    Day 13 Update
    Something I've noticed over the past few days is I seem to be recovering a lot quicker than usual. While on the cycle I've gone back to a style of training program I gave a go a year ago which I quite liked, it has crazy amounts of volume and a few supersets for intensity etc. but mostly it's focused around pretty high reps.

    Last year when I did this program naturally (without AAS) I was in a world of pain after specific days like the leg day on day 1 of the week. What I have noticed this week is with the intensity and workload I'm putting in at the gym I could usually expect to be much sorer than I am. I have been worried after a few workouts that I was going to struggle to move the next day but then I was surprisingly fine. I would attribute this to the steroids starting to take effect.

    No real improvement in lifts so far, although I haven't really tried as I'll just be following a linear progression. I have noticed that I can certainly bust out a lot more reps than usual. For example on bench press (an area I've been terribly weak with due to shoulder injuries and a few other factors) I had 80kg (about 190-200lb) on yesterday and previously I would've probably got about 5 solid reps before my weak spots would start to pull me up. Yesterday I was able to do 5 sets of 10 just starting to tire at the end, but noticeably better than a few weeks ago in terms of muscular endurance.

    Keen to see how things progress, in a week or two I should be getting in the zone where things will start to happen!

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    Day 17

    Weight is increasing significantly. Iím happy because you always have doubts as to whether the gear is real or you are administering it properly, so to see that and my strength increasing already is awesome. Iím up to 102.7kg (226lb).

    One thing I have noticed in the last couple of days is a little bit of nipple sensitivity/puffiness. I donít think itís just in my head, and the fact my weight is rising rapidly I think estrogen levels might be a bit high. Iím going to up the Aromasin to 12.5mg twice daily and see if that helps.

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    25mg of Aromasin daily seems excessive for only 500mg a week of test . if your having nipple issues perhaps throw in a SERM instead of upping your AI too high and crashing your E

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    Remember it's normal to have nip sensitivity when hormones are in flux. It doesn't automatically mean gyno.
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    Yeah Iíve just decided to go Aromasin every 16 hours which works if I do 6am, then 10pm, then 2pm the next day then back to 6am and so on so Iím not doubling the dose.

    Would Nolva be the go-to SERM and what dosage would you recommend instead of doubling the Aromasin? I donít think the estrogen is that bad itís probably just in flux as my body acclimates to everything. Some days I feel a bit sensitive and bloated and then others arenít too bad, and Iíve read all the info about decent estrogen levels being good for muscle growth so Iím keeping that in mind and donít want to crash it.

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    Day 26

    Things are still steadily kicking in with very few negative effects. Workouts have been next level, Iíve found I have more muscular endurance and recovery is still probably one of the most incredible effects Iíve noticed. I can bust out a session that wouldíve left me incredibly sore and wake up the next day with minimal soreness, I could almost work out that body part/area the next day.

    Weight on day 25 is 104.0kg which means from the start Iíve put on 7kg (15lb) which is crazy. Iíve been eating good amounts of carbs and protein and my diet has been pretty spot on, so things are looking positive. I donít look fat at all, tried to maintain some cardio so itís mostly quality weight at the moment.

    Canít wait for the next few weeks. From most accounts itís weeks 5-6 where everything takes off. Iím happy I havenít taken anything other than Test. To feel the strength and weight increase already with only Test there would be no need for anything else, this is already a massive and very quick change to my body so just being able to adapt to that is enough. I think people who resort to other add on steroids for first cycles should probably put some more effort into diet and training. Thatís what Iíve done so far and seems to be working a treat, I wouldnít want things to be progressing any quicker than they are.

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    Day 33

    Weight on day 32 was 106.5kg, meaning a gain of 9.5kg (20lb) so far! Thatís pretty incredible, and itís not fat because Iím still fitting into the same waist of pants as I was at 97kg, so that seems to tell me the weight is going where I want it. I have noticed some slight improvements in vascularity lately as well, also indicating to me that body fat levels donít seem to be getting out of hand.

    I have noticed I feel like a teenager in so many ways. On some days and occasions I seem to be popping random wood which hasnít happened since my teenage days (never had libido issues but this is uncontrollable wood haha). Also I have noticed I am noticeably more irritable and my temper has shortened recently, things like traffic and stupid drivers etc are getting to me more than they normally would, but hey you take the good with the bad right? At least Iím aware of it so I can take a couple of deep breaths if I notice things getting heated unnecessarily.

    Diet has been pretty damn good. Meal prep has been good and Iíve taken Gearheadedís advice and time most of my carbs around the pari-workout window where they are utilised best, seems to be working great so far. Then usually some protein and green leafy veggies for dinner, no carbs at that time.

    Muscular endurance and recovery still the most noticeable improvements in gym work. I seemed to struggle with higher 10-12 rep workouts before this cycle, I would start to struggle at 5, but now these longer sets are much easier.

    Also a positive note is just the general feeling of energy. I have long had issues with energy and feeling lethargic and was even at one stage diagnosed with idiopathic hypersomnia (sleepiness with an unknown cause). This has continued with me for most of my adult life. Now Iím still tired at times but am doing much better. Even my girlfriend commented the other day about how much energy I had. The Test E would be worth itís weight in gold for these effects alone for someone in my position. Makes me think I mightíve had low T for a while but I didnít get pre-bloods (bad decision I know) but it is something I will keep an eye on post cycle. I wouldnít be against TRT if it was to help me out, the lethargy and tiredness I used to go through far outweighs the inconvenience of having to pin even forever. So we will see, but for now Iím loving the subtle boost in mood and energy.

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    Day 44

    Starting weight was 97kg (214lb)
    Current weight is 108kg (238lb)
    At the end of week 6 Iím up 11kg (24lb)

    Gains are still coming but at a more gradual rate. Obviously there have been big weight gains but I still fit into the same waist of pants so thatís good. I never intended my weight to increase just this much so Iíve started incorporating a bit of cardio into things to try and keep things under control and ensure Iím putting on quality weight.

    Earlier this week I was feeling good during a back session so I decided to test where my deadlifts were at. I was pretty pumped and kept on stacking on the weights while I was feeling good and managed to lift 200kg (440lb). While this mightnít seem like a lot to a lot of guys on here it was a win for me. Being extremely tall with long limbs Iím not built to lift heavy weights at all and my estimated max (I didnít test it) prior to the cycle was 160kg. Of course a lot of the gains have been due to my increased focus and intensity during workouts but the Test is allowing me to exceed what Iíve been capable of previously.

    Sides are still limited. Definitely irritable with a shorter temper and Iíve been trying to stay on top of skin cleansing as Iíve noticed some acne but nothing crazy.

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    Seems like the cycle was going very well bro, any update on how it's going now?

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    Day 60 w/blood test results

    Hey Mikey, I'm glad you asked haha sometimes it seems like these experience logs don't get much attention, although I'm sure a lot of people just browse through to get an idea of what other guys have experienced so hopefully it's worthwhile for people anyway.

    Everything has been pretty steady for the last couple of weeks since the last update. Unfortunately I got excited by my strength levels and ended up damaging my back a little. I have had a bulging disk in my lower back for years that comes and goes, the week after I deadlifted 200kg I walked into the gym like I owned the place and was all pumped up, chucked probably more weight on than I needed too early and pushed for too many reps and twinged it a little. I've still been able to keep into my routine I've just had to drop the deadlifts and squats as they are the two things that aggravate it. So I've been pounding the leg press machine and instead of deadlifts I've reverted to increasing my wide-grip lat pulldown workload as I want to focus on thickness in my back and while I can't do deads this seems like the next best thing to focus on. Advice to newbies, DO NOT EGO LIFT! I felt like a champ for a few minutes, but it has caused a bit of pain and I've had to work around it for weeks now, not worth it.

    Weight has stabilised in the 106-108kg (234-238lb) range. I felt like I was putting on some good size and didn't want my weight to balloon out any more so I have incorporated a lot more cardio into my regime lately, particularly fasted cardio first thing in the morning. I get up, have some apple cider vinegar, lemon juice & carnitine then take the dog for a good paced walk for about 40 mins. This seems to be working really well so far, it energises me, has stopped the weight ballooning out and I feel as though I've maybe managed to lean out a little bit more.

    Blood test results
    At the end of week 8 I decided to get blood work done to check where things were at. I got everything including testosterone , cardiac/muscle markers (CK), liver function, renal function, testosterone, oestradiol, iron, glucose, lipids and haematology. I'll list a couple of the more interesting results below, reference ranges are in brackets:

    Testosterone - 109.5 (6.0-28.0)
    SHBG - 23 (15-50)
    Free Testosterone - >2000 (200-600)
    CK - 1449 (<201)
    Urea - 10.8 (2.5-8.0)
    AST - 50 (<41)
    ALT - 37 (<51)
    Oestradiol - 316 (<150)
    Glucose - 4.8 (3.0-5.4)
    HDL Cholesterol - 1.3 (>1.0)
    LDL Cholesterol - 2.4 (<2.5)
    Non-HDL Cholesterol - 2.7 (<3.9)
    RBC - 4.75 (4.50-6.50)
    White cell count - 5.4 (4.0-11.0)

    As you can see from that the gear I have been getting is good! This is a relief for me as you never actually know the quality of any non-prescription compounds you purchase, so to see what I thought I was getting is in fact what I have is a good thing with those test levels through the roof. The elevated CK and AST levels I have had confirmed from a few people are most likely just due to the fact I am doing heavy weight training which is elevating the liver enzyme values. Going by my Urea results I can probably knock a protein shake out of my daily intake as well as I was informed higher Urea levels indicate protein intake is unnecessarily high.

    The biggest concern is the high levels of estrogen. I was having 12.5mg Aromasin ed but due to a change in supply I had actually changed over to Arimidex the day after I got these bloods. I was surprised to see estrogen up so high and now have my questions as to whether the Aromasin was legitimate or not. It's appearance and how it was packaged makes me suspicious, but I'm much more confident with the Arimidex. I have gone to Arimidex 0.5mg eod instead of 0.25mg eod because of my elevated estrogen levels. If I was having 12.5mg Aromasin every day and they were at that level then I think I need a bit more AI dosage than the 0.25 Adex eod that most people run. The amount of weight I put on in quick time also made me believe I was high in estrogen from the get-go. I will try 0.5mg Adex eod for a while and see how I feel, if I notice any negatives I'll drop it to 0.25 eod but so far I think I'm feeling a bit better in terms of energy and bloating with the 0.5mg eod dosage.

    If anyone in Aus is interested I can provide the details of the doctor I used to get the bloods done. He does everything by teleconference and has a long history of dealing with chemically enhanced athletes so he understands things that might differ because of AAS usage. He was good and went through everything in depth, made a few suggestions to me but said all up I'm one of the lucky ones who seems to be taking to AAS very well with few side effects as my cholesterol and general health is still great. I've just decided to add some flaxseed oil daily into my supplement regime as per his suggestions to keep everything functioning properly, he is a big advocate for raw flaxseed oil over fish oil tablets.

    Anyway, sorry for the novel haha thanks to anyone who is following along, I hope people are getting some sort of value out of this. I'll report back soon
    Last edited by Jerry2020; 01-13-2018 at 06:38 PM.

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    This has been an interesting read... thank you so much for sharing

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    Your BW is great, imho. If not having any negative sides from your estrogen level (assuming it's accurate as standard estradiol can be suspect in men) then I would not go over-board with adex and move it to the opposite end of the spectrum. Your analysis on the other elevated levels is on point.

    Great read and great work Jerry!
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    Thanks Kel. I’ve actually found I have functioned better with higher AI. When having the 12.5 Aromasin or even 0.25eod Adex I found that my energy levels suffered, I started to get very oily skin and got noticeably more acne than usual, probably the worst effect was how moody I was, I can seriously say I felt like a girl on her period just snapping over silly little things and not being able to react rationally to things.

    I have tried 0.5eod Adex for two separate periods now and although it does seem like a lot I feel much better on it. Better energy, better skin, less bloat and my mood is much more stable on it. I guess this is the beauty of doing a Test E only first cycle so I can get a grasp on these things as everyone is different. I’m really not trying to get huge or put on every ounce of muscle possible as I’m already a heavy guy being the height I am. So the slight sacrifice in muscle building and size I think is worth it for all those other positives for me. At least I didn’t get any signs of the dreaded gyno even with the elevated Estrogen levels, so that’s a good thing going forward.

    My final pin was yesterday. I’ll hopefully weigh myself tomorrow and have an end of cycle weight. I think I’ve lost a kg or two as I’ve been trying to cut a little bit and have used some low dose Clen for the last week to see it’s effect on me. Keep an eye on this space and I’ll have an update soon

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