2nd Cycle - Test and Tren

I'm planning to start my 2nd Cycle in early June.

I've decided to go with Test E and Tren E as well as a bit of Dbol at each end.

I have most of what I need on hand, but have to wait for caber b/c I don't want to do Tren w/o it on hand.

I've decided to use E b/c I like the interval of injections....every 3 days. I know A clears out faster, but I don't want to switch after starting.

I plan to do about 300 Test and maybe 400 Tren /week. I'll do 2 injections to be sure I'm good and not having a bad reaction and then add the Dbol in for 2 weeks while the oils build up.

I'll run this for as long as I feel the gains are good, but probably 10 weeks at the most. I'll use Dbol again when coming down from the oils and then PCT as the oils and Dbol clear out.

With my 1st Cycle of just over 6 weeks my PCT was shorter and I recovered pretty quickly. I had to cut it short b/c I let myself gain too much "extra" weight :wg: .....I was feeling HEAVY.

I'm taking Finasteride now and I don't see that it will be an issue to continue it as normal.

I have a few weeks and this is where I ask for input from the collective b/c more info is always better.

When I get ready to start I'll post up the specifics I've decided on and my current stats for a "before" baseline.

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Originally Posted by NCC1968

I'm planning to start my 2nd Cycle in early June.

I've decided to go with Test E and Tren E as well as a bit of Dbol at each end.

I have most of what I need on hand, but have to wait for caber b/c I don't want to do Tren w/o it on hand.

I've decided to use E b/c I like the interval of injections....every 3 days. I know A clears out faster, but I don't want to switch after starting.

I plan to do about 300 Test and maybe 400 Tren /week. I'll do 2 injections to be sure I'm good and not having a bad reaction and then add the Dbol in for 2 weeks while the oils build up.

I'll run this for as long as I feel the gains are good, but probably 10 weeks at the most. I'll use Dbol again when coming down from the oils and then PCT as the oils and Dbol clear out.

With my 1st Cycle of just over 6 weeks my PCT was shorter and I recovered pretty quickly. I had to cut it short b/c I let myself gain too much "extra" weight :wg: .....I was feeling HEAVY.

I'm taking Finasteride now and I don't see that it will be an issue to continue it as normal.

I have a few weeks and this is where I ask for input from the collective b/c more info is always better.

When I get ready to start I'll post up the specifics I've decided on and my current stats for a "before" baseline.

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It seems solid enough, but it would be a good idea to use Trenbolone Acetate being as this is your first run, so you can adjust those dose quickly if you need to. You get more bang with it anyway.

being your first cycle... (oops... being your second cycle)
and being 51 years old....

I really wouldn't do more than 200 tren a week

IMHO... I wouldn't recommend any tren.

and if you cut your first cycle short because you were putting on too much "extra" weight then I have no idea why you are using dbol.

Why not a simple test and anavar... or just test... or test and tbol?

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Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

being your first cycle...
and being 51 years old....

I really wouldn't do more than 200 tren a week

IMHO... I wouldn't recommend any tren.

and if you cut your first cycle short because you were putting on too much "extra" weight then I have no idea why you are using dbol.

Why not a simple test and anavar... or just test... or test and tbol?

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Apart from the fact I think you could use other compounds for only your second cycle I agree with Dog about just using 200mg of tren..
I grow off of that still myself and I’ve been using on and off for 25 years or so.

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Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

being your first cycle...
and being 51 years old....

I really wouldn't do more than 200 tren a week

IMHO... I wouldn't recommend any tren.

and if you cut your first cycle short because you were putting on too much "extra" weight then I have no idea why you are using dbol.

Why not a simple test and anavar... or just test... or test and tbol?

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I’ve used dbol during my cuts with no issue. Then again, I am also not doing the cuts to look good or target scale weight specifically, but to get rid of body fat, and my deficits are steep enough that I don’t have to wonder if it’s working in the face of dbol’s water retention.
For people who get discouraged by smoothing or don’t run sharp enough deficits, it could be an issue though.

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Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

I really wouldn't do more than 200 tren a week

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Thanks.....

Oops....I mistyped that one, but would easily have caught it later.
Yes...200.

I was doing 1cc of Test and this time it will be half and half - .5cc Test E/250 and .5cc Tren E/200. This will give me approx 300 and 250....I'll do the exact math later.

I do have Mast on hand if I find the Tren is bad for me so I can still do a cycle with that instead of just stopping the show.

Masteron protects you from the hormonal side effects of Tren (example = Prolactin) but it doesn't help for anything like Insomnia, night sweats, pulse, etc. That's the reason why Acetate is recommended because you do not want to be waiting 7, 14, etc days for it to clear your system.

Regardless of the above, I personally won't touch Tren this year. I can't speak to how your area is handling COVID but here they've started checking vitals as part of screening before entering public places such as hospital, clinic,'police station, etc. They want to extend that out to all essential places that are open that are not contact free. Three side effects of Tren:

- Increase core temp
- Shortness of breath / difficulty breathing
- Systemic inflammation

Add on your age demographic is already seen as at risk.

The first two points are also symptoms of Covid. Tren also can cause systemic inflammation from Prostaglandin activity. These are lipids. One of the signals they release is called "calor" (aka heat), which is where I think "Tren sweats" starts from (my theory). Systemic inflammation can reduce immune strength, not something you want at this time.

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Originally Posted by Windex

Masteron protects you from the hormonal side effects of Tren (example = Prolactin) but it doesn't help for anything like Insomnia, night sweats, pulse, etc. That's the reason why Acetate is recommended because you do not want to be waiting 7, 14, etc days for it to clear your system.

Regardless of the above, I personally won't touch Tren this year. I can't speak to how your area is handling COVID but here they've started checking vitals as part of screening before entering public places such as hospital, clinic,'police station, etc. They want to extend that out to all essential places that are open that are not contact free. Three side effects of Tren:

- Increase core temp
- Shortness of breath / difficulty breathing
- Systemic inflammation

Add on your age demographic is already seen as at risk.

The first two points are also symptoms of Covid. Tren also can cause systemic inflammation from Prostaglandin activity. These are lipids. One of the signals they release is called "calor" (aka heat), which is where I think "Tren sweats" starts from (my theory). Systemic inflammation can reduce immune strength, not something you want at this time.

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Good points.

I'd be honest with any medical professionals about what is in my system, but that would not help screening situations. Of course a test would show no infection if that were the case.....still sucks.

For one to have a fever the temp reading must usually be near 100.5F I don't know what it may rise to on Tren, but I think it would feel just hot....not fever-like with the shaking. Hydration would be more important at this time I'd think.

I'll study up on it...thanks for that input.

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Originally Posted by NCC1968

Good points.

I'd be honest with any medical professionals about what is in my system, but that would not help screening situations. Of course a test would show no infection if that were the case.....still sucks.

For one to have a fever the temp reading must usually be near 100.5F I don't know what it may rise to on Tren, but I think it would feel just hot....not fever-like with the shaking. Hydration would be more important at this time I'd think.

I'll study up on it...thanks for that input.

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I would bet 99% of the medical personnel will have no idea what Trenbolone is because they don't really get trained on drugs not approved/discontinued human use.

Good luck and stay safe

Since Tren crushes natural production of Test what is the approx Test dosage strictly for replacement?
Should I take a dose that is just enough to replace what is lost or up it a bit to work with the Tren.....will the Test help or hurt....meaning will it block receptors and make the Tren less effective?

I'm also prepared to switch from Tren to Mast during the cycle if I feel I should.
With that....same questions as above as far as mixing Test and Mast.

200-250mg of test would be the norm with a newbie tren dose.

Wouldn't see the point of changing tren for mast halfway through your cycle.