Started first cycle today at 46

[gaza1974]

Hi to all
started first cycle today of test e only
46 years old- been training for approx 15 years then took 10 years off - have been back for 2 years
first pin in shoulder went great- a little nervous (took 5 minutes to get courage) but all good and easy
Love some experienced ones to follow if you can

what i have is teste (2 x vials)
Clomid for PCT
Nolvadex for PCT
Arimidex in case any gyro issues occur

Schedule:
Week 1-12 500mg of Teste (250mg Monday, 250mg Thursday)
Arimidex .25 only if any side effects occur and take for 1 x week if have to
Weeks 14-16 Clomid 50mg/day and Nolvadex 10mg/day

Work out schedule 5-6 days per week split
Will upload some before photos shortly



Before photo attached
look forward to hearing from you all

[redz]

How big are the vials? Doesn’t look like you ha e enough for 12 weeks.

[gaza1974]

Hi Redz,
i have 2 x bottles
300mg/ml
also redz i have Arimidex tabs in case gastro breakout only (1mg tabs)- my question is can i break these down if needed or take as 1mg?
your thoughts would be great
cheers
update- just ordered another (10ml vials) cheers

[Charlie67]

Yes, you can cut your Adex tabs. Get a pill cutter and try to cut them into four equal .25 pieces.... but know that I could never do that successfully ... I usually ended up just crushing the silly thing. Or ending up with chunks of about .2, .4, .33, and then a pile of leftover powder that I just licked off the cutter.

If that happens, don't stress. IF you need it, just shoot for about half a pill a week or whatever. It'll still work.

Charlie

[gaza1974]

Hi Charlie,
thanks for the advice-great to know
just incase side effects take place - just want to be ready

[gaza1974]

ok initial pic- will take progress pics in same light etc
next week expecting the teste to kick in at some stage- will update pics every couple of weeks and let you know of any side effects
hmm photos are hard to take when holding phone- my son took some before gym photos about a month ago which i have added
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[gaza1974]

Second Pin today
Second Pin today- went smoother than first
Went again into other arm - Delts (using 23G)
First injection still a little sore and more blood after pulling needle(that was on Monday)
Today sweet as with next injection
Ordered piles more alcohol swabs, needles etc (just want to make sure i have enough without compromising)
no side effects yet, no extra strength yet, no hulk size muscles as yet (haha my kids are checking every day)
Sure something will start kicking in next week
Still going to gym 5-6 days a week

Routine:
Day 1 = Shoulders/Lats/Core
Day 2 = Biceps/Triceps/Core
Day 3 = Chest/Core
Day 4 = Legs/Core
Day 5 Rest
Back to start

Started taking Mass Protein Powder shake at around lunchtime
and Whey protein shake straight after workouts
I have to be careful however because i do hold some fat around the middle which i have done since i was in my twenties- even when i was in the military fit as ever
I know the teste will also make me bloat to some extent
So really focusing on eating good and drinking heaps of water

However, in saying that my beautiful wife cooks the meals and even makes me lunch so good luck trying to tell her she needs to change the way she cooks lol.
However; she is conscious i am on this cycle and helping out where she can

any advice from you pros is all good
cheers and will update on Monday (next Pin)

[Chark]

Following! Good luck Gaza! You must be excited!! I think after 4 weeks you’ll start seeing a big change.

I’m not sure what mass protein powder you’re using but many of them are complete garbage that are just filled with sugar. I’d stick with your other whey. If you want to make it a “mass” shake you’re better off dropping a glob of peanut butter and/or oats into your traditional whey. That way you’re getting good calories vs. calories-for-calories sake. Those mass shakes are for real skinny guys who can’t put on weight to save their life (and even then...). That doesn’t apply to you and me. I’d go as far to say you’re better off eating a cheeseburger or something you like.

[gaza1974]

Hi Chark,
thanks for your advice- totally noted
will stop the mass and just stick to the whey - great advice
Also thanks so much for following
As previously mentioned second injection yesterday and today definitely feeling the gains already at the gym.

[Chark]

Hi Chark,
thanks for your advice- totally noted
will stop the mass and just stick to the whey - great advice
Also thanks so much for following
As previously mentioned second injection yesterday and today definitely feeling the gains already at the gym.

Of course, ask away if you need anything. I’d like to give help back to the community that helped me. If you get bored, check out my journey threads in this sub detailing w/pics my first and second runs. They have my name in the thread title.

[gaza1974]

2nd Week, 4th Pin Update

Firstly Clark- did read both your cycles posts from start to finish- totally amazing and some good tips and notes to take away from that- wow really disciplined

Monday pin was quad for first time and yes like so many others was limping for 3 days or so
So Thursday today and decided to go back in glutes as no problem there.


Gaining weight through increasing calories every day (have gained 2 kgs so far- too fast weight gain?)
Still pumping hard at the gym 6 days a week.

Side Effects/Changesnone totally outstanding) apart from the few following
1/ Slight but noticeable gains with strength at the gym- some days a few more noticeable than others (between 5kg-10kg gains)
2/ Definitely starting to sweat more- always did sweat but now like a tap at the gym

Also 1 x question- Adex some seem to say to take .25 throughout whole cycle and some only when signs of gastro occur-- the gastro part i suppose is my only concern at this part and really needing sound advice for this
Will get bloodworks done in week 5 to ensure everything good and gear is legit.

Will update as time goes on

[Chark]

Hey Gaza,

Thank you for the kind comments.

I’d avoid pinning quads entirely or at least until you reallllly know what you’re doing. There’s a lot of nerve endings and if you get a problem there it’s supposedly quite worse than other areas. Some guys say it’s fine and no problem but I’ve listened to a few very experienced guys advise never pin your quads (check out youtube ‘Dave palumbo pin quads).

I know you’re just logging what changes you’ve experienced thus far but I want to remind you to stay patient, you likely won’t see marked changes in the mirror until the 4-5 week mark.

I’m not the best to advise you on AI usage but since you’re getting BW in a few weeks I imagine one strategy could be to hold off using adex until you get your BW back to see just how much estrogen you’ve aromatized without using an AI. The problem is, we can’t tell you how your body will react. Will you have high estrogen? Will you even have side effects to high estrogen? Remember estrogen is neuro-protective, responsible for male libido, and very anabolic . If you think you might do more than one cycle it would be good to know if 500 test = any estrogenic side effects, otherwise you’ll never know and will be using adex from here on out. When you say gastro do you mean gyno? Did you get BW before your cycle?

This is food for thought and not related to your situation: the thoughts toward AIs have shifted over the years. MOST compounds don’t aromatize into estrogen. If you don’t want estrogen, simply don’t use too much of compounds that aromatize. It doesn’t make sense to use a large amount of an estrogenic steroid , to where you you get side effects, then have to take another drug to lower the amount of estrogen caused by taking an amount of a steroid that you already can’t handle.

[gaza1974]

Hi Clark,
thanks for your reply
yes haha good advice with the quads- absolutely no problem pinning the delts again- hardly any soreness the next day
Yes your right- i need to be patient just real excited to see something kick in
I will post blood results when i do get them
hmm yes i am little silly not getting BW prior to cycle but will midway and at end
yeah i will hold off on adex etc unless signs of gyno show themselves
3rd Vial turned up today to take me through to the whole 12 week cycle
cheers again Clark and will update in couple of weeks

[Chark]

Hi Clark,
thanks for your reply
yes haha good advice with the quads- absolutely no problem pinning the delts again- hardly any soreness the next day
Yes your right- i need to be patient just real excited to see something kick in
I will post blood results when i do get them
hmm yes i am little silly not getting BW prior to cycle but will midway and at end
yeah i will hold off on adex etc unless signs of gyno show themselves
3rd Vial turned up today to take me through to the whole 12 week cycle
cheers again Clark and will update in couple of weeks

Hey Gaza, just wanted to add. If you encounter gyno problems with gyno adding nolvadex while on cycle may be your most effective move. See, adding adex when gyno encountered will help halt future test aromatization into estrogen, but won’t do anything with the high estrogen already present. Nolvadex blocks estrogen at breast tissue by occupying the receptor site. It’s even been found to reduce gyno. Some experienced users who’ve found they’re sensitive to estrogen will run 10mg the length of their cycle. We don’t yet know how you respond to estrogen but people with higher body fat typically have higher estrogen levels than people with low body fat. This is why it’s often recommended to wait to cycle until weight is down.

Keep up the good work! Excited to see where you take this! Best of luck

[gaza1974]

Hi Clark,
thanks for your advice again-
Oh ok sounds like Nolvadex if signs occur rather than Adex
Yeah the weight thing- my BMI should be around 70kg for my height etc however most of my gym days ive always been trying to bulk up as naturally i am very skinny prior to gymming
Have a great Christmas

[Chark]

Hi Clark,
thanks for your advice again-
Oh ok sounds like Nolvadex if signs occur rather than Adex
Yeah the weight thing- my BMI should be around 70kg for my height etc however most of my gym days ive always been trying to bulk up as naturally i am very skinny prior to gymming
Have a great Christmas

You’d definitely want to begin nolva should you experience symptoms since that estrogen that’s present isn’t going anywhere regardless of what you do, you can only try to block it. I believe you’d either want to add and continue nolva throughout cycle or add low dose adex at the same time as nolva planning to discontinue nolva in a couple weeks (and run adex throughout). Look around though as I am only one guy’s (and not a veteran at that) opinion. I’m not sure what dose nolva to advise you to add, that probably would depend on the severity of your issue, but I’ve seen several guys run 10mg throughout cycle as a preventive measure. I may be mistaken, so look it up, but I think I read 20mg/day is what is given to breast cancer patients...so you shouldn’t need more than that to prevent gyno. Split up dose and take 2x/day should you implement.

To be clear I definitely wasn’t dogging on your weight or decision to cycle at a higher BF percentage, only wanted to point out that you should suspect your estrogen may be elevated compared to what it would be were you leaner. Can help you make more accurate assumptions. The more you know...

Merry Christmas!

[Chark]

Hey Gaza, hows it going?

[gaza1974]

Hi Chark and everyone
thanks for your message
yes totally about being leaner prior to doing cycle
ok a lot has gone on since last post
I am now on week 6 of my cycle (12 week cycle)
was going great guns

in week 5 i had gained 13 pounds and feeling amazing
then did lower back in at gym- however still tried to go to gym and do what i could but it just irritated the back
So have had to rest the best for several days but will be back into it within a couple of days
In saying this have not stopped anything with the cycle and diet- just waiting for back to be a little better to go back to the gym- a real let down
Only been pinning the delts- heaps easier as suggested

So week 6 now
Side effects:
No side effects (a little clammy skin) a little harder to sleep at night and horny all the time haha

Got blood work done last week (week 5) to ensure gear is not rubbish so please anyone check these out and let us know what you think