Biggest 'natural' on here?

**Andre Avigdor** · 02-05-2005, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Odin

Well you could have gave a link too your pictures on your web site instead of giving 7 full blowen up pictures, BTW nice Polk audio sound system, their the nicest sounding speakers in the world. No flaming JMO, but you do look good in the pic's.

Thanks

I just sold my house... the people that bought liked my home theatre so much that they bought all my AV gear... I am now starting from scratch... so I don't know what I am going to replace them with...

From now on, I am gonna either post thumbs or links...

**BeerBaron** · 02-05-2005, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Andre Avigdor

From now on, I am gonna either post thumbs or links...

Thumb nails would be great!

**spkmania** · 02-05-2005, 04:30 PM

here we go again.....

**Elysium** · 02-06-2005, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Andre Avigdor

Thanks

I just sold my house... the people that bought liked my home theatre so much that they bought all my AV gear... I am now starting from scratch... so I don't know what I am going to replace them with...

From now on, I am gonna either post thumbs or links...

**GetPumped** · 02-06-2005, 11:56 PM

D-A-M-N not this ignorant guy AGAIN....I thought Andre was gone for chrsit sakes! Now he is back and posting his ridiculous pics on another bros thread. That it total BS and extremely rude. Andre, didn't you not learn the first time you claim to be all natural and posting your dumbazz pics that nobody believed that stupid azz "I'm totally natural" BS of yours. Find another board to post your lameazz pics on and get a life.

**spkmania** · 02-07-2005, 02:07 AM

**BDTR** · 02-07-2005, 02:25 AM

Thats your best work yet messy.

Originally Posted by MESSY_UK

**AandF6969** · 02-07-2005, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by Andre Avigdor

Thanks

I just sold my house... the people that bought liked my home theatre so much that they bought all my AV gear... I am now starting from scratch... so I don't know what I am going to replace them with...

From now on, I am gonna either post thumbs or links...

yeah post some pics of your wife shes hot

***xxx*** · 02-07-2005, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by MESSY_UK

muhahahaha

**viking_warrior_2k** · 02-07-2005, 12:28 PM

I can see we've got some lively discussion going on. I'm staying out of the b.s. and just being appreciative of the feedback from you serious guys. I just wanted feedback on my pics - and thanks to all who've posted. I'm really stoked about doing my first cycle. Like I said, I'd only done one vial of cypianate - 10mL - about 2 years ago and I didn't use it properly, so I didn't even see any results. Therefore I feel ok about calling myself a "natural" when compared to a lot of real juicers on here because I've had better results with creatine then I did with my mis-used vial of cypianate. Hope the 'natural' comment didn't offend anyone that is truly natural.

When I was a senior in high school I weighed 200lb., could run the 40 yeard dash in 4/7 sec., and could bench over 320lb. Over the years I've put on the unwanted weight that comes with age and am just now turning to juice to help get off the fat. I'm one of those naturally thick guys and am really looking forward to actually seeing my six pack. Just a wierd side-note... this weekend my dad fell off an 8ft. ladder and landed on his head - [/I]on the sidewalk - [I]and didn't break any bones nor had any blackouts. Hell, I hope I got his toughness. He could have broken his neck! Ol' man gave me some good genes.

Andre, nothing personal, but you are pretty well developed for a 'natural'. I'm not saying you aren't, but the odds are against you, bro'. I'm no juice specialist, but I have been around the gym on and off through the years to know that it takes a hell of a lot of work and incredible genetics to get into your kind of shape naturally. Again, maybe you are a natural, but if you're just trying to get some attention, start your own thread.

Just so ya'll know, I studied the ISSA course to get certified as a personal trainer. I'm not a complete idiot when it comes to health and nutrition, but my 'roid knowledge is limited. As far as my workouts over the past 2 years, I've usually held to 2 ons and 1 off (chest -1, legs - 2, off, back & bis -1, shoulders & tris - 2, off). My diet has been good, but more often than not too much intake of the good foods, therefore I haven't burned fat that I should have been. But my goal has been to get strong, develop my musculature, and after a couple of years hard work, start my first true cycle. This is where I'm at now. My goal hasn't been to get shredded, but to get strong and build muscle naturally in order to better handle when I do a cycle or series of cycles. So, for all you guys busting my ass for not being shredded, hey, water off a duck's back.

Give me a couple of months to get cut up, and I think I'll rival some of the best guys on here. Love the board, and am looking forward to more helpful and informative discussion. As for you insecure guys who throw insults around, well, here's a little story...

The Queen of England is said to have been visiting a foreign country once, and while in the court of the other country's ruler, a lively and unruly dog began barking viciously towards the Queen. Later, one of the Queen's bodyguards asked the queen, "Why didn't you request us to do something about that noisy dog?" The queen answered, "I'm a queen. Only a dog would bark back at a dog."

Get the point?

**Andre Avigdor** · 02-07-2005, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by viking_warrior_2k

I can see we've got some lively discussion going on. I'm staying out of the b.s. and just being appreciative of the feedback from you serious guys. I just wanted feedback on my pics - and thanks to all who've posted. I'm really stoked about doing my first cycle. Like I said, I'd only done one vial of cypianate - 10mL - about 2 years ago and I didn't use it properly, so I didn't even see any results. Therefore I feel ok about calling myself a "natural" when compared to a lot of real juicers on here because I've had better results with creatine then I did with my mis-used vial of cypianate. Hope the 'natural' comment didn't offend anyone that is truly natural.

When I was a senior in high school I weighed 200lb., could run the 40 yeard dash in 4/7 sec., and could bench over 320lb. Over the years I've put on the unwanted weight that comes with age and am just now turning to juice to help get off the fat. I'm one of those naturally thick guys and am really looking forward to actually seeing my six pack. Just a wierd side-note... this weekend my dad fell off an 8ft. ladder and landed on his head - [/I]on the sidewalk - [I]and didn't break any bones nor had any blackouts. Hell, I hope I got his toughness. He could have broken his neck! Ol' man gave me some good genes.

Andre, nothing personal, but you are pretty well developed for a 'natural'. I'm not saying you aren't, but the odds are against you, bro'. I'm no juice specialist, but I have been around the gym on and off through the years to know that it takes a hell of a lot of work and incredible genetics to get into your kind of shape naturally. Again, maybe you are a natural, but if you're just trying to get some attention, start your own thread.

Just so ya'll know, I studied the ISSA course to get certified as a personal trainer. I'm not a complete idiot when it comes to health and nutrition, but my 'roid knowledge is limited. As far as my workouts over the past 2 years, I've usually held to 2 ons and 1 off (chest -1, legs - 2, off, back & bis -1, shoulders & tris - 2, off). My diet has been good, but more often than not too much intake of the good foods, therefore I haven't burned fat that I should have been. But my goal has been to get strong, develop my musculature, and after a couple of years hard work, start my first true cycle. This is where I'm at now. My goal hasn't been to get shredded, but to get strong and build muscle naturally in order to better handle when I do a cycle or series of cycles. So, for all you guys busting my ass for not being shredded, hey, water off a duck's back.

Give me a couple of months to get cut up, and I think I'll rival some of the best guys on here. Love the board, and am looking forward to more helpful and informative discussion. As for you insecure guys who throw insults around, well, here's a little story...

The Queen of England is said to have been visiting a foreign country once, and while in the court of the other country's ruler, a lively and unruly dog began barking viciously towards the Queen. Later, one of the Queen's bodyguards asked the queen, "Why didn't you request us to do something about that noisy dog?" The queen answered, "I'm a queen. Only a dog would bark back at a dog."

Get the point?

Thanks for calling me developed

I threw my pictures into the mix cause I thought you where asking a question... and wanted to use myself as an example... sorry for the hijacking and I don't mean any disrespect. I am in a very simmilar boat to you, I spent the last 8 years working on building mass and only got real serious with my diet 2 years ago... now I am smaller than I was before (255lbs to 200lbs) but I feel better and more muscular... It does not take drugs for someone with decent genetics and a strong work ethic to get to 200lbs just under 10%BF at 5,10"... You already have a ton of lean body mass, if/when you decide to 'cut-up' you will look like a whole new man...

And one final thing... no need to look back at what used to be able to do... we are both still young enough to say that the best is yet to come!

***Narkissos*** · 02-08-2005, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Andre Avigdor

All he needs is to diet down a little... six meals a day... once every 3 hours... cut out the refined carbs moderate protein and healthy fats... throw in some cardio and that should do it!

?

The closest you've come to giving advice... If you continued along this line (and posted thumbnails) that'd be cool.

**anaBROLIC** · 02-08-2005, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by bdtr

Thats your best work yet messy.

i agree.. i knew that pic would come handy..lol

**beyonddriven** · 02-09-2005, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by viking_warrior_2k

I'm 32, 5'11", currently 260lb. (I know, way too much fat - put on at least 15lbs. from Thanksgiving to Christmas), but I think for natural size, I'm probably one of the biggest guys on here that I've seen. Comments on the pics are welcome. I'll be starting my first cycle of winni-depot to hopefully cut up a bit. Any comments or suggestions welcome. I'll be posting pics of my progress. I know my arms are massive for a natural, but I'm looking to balance everything. My legs are @ 27" at mid-thighs, calves, neck and bi's @ 18"- 19", and I won't say what my waist is. (oh, the shame of it all!!)

Ok, I'll be honest... I did 10mL of Cypianate 2 years ago. Does that count? Other than that, I'm all natural with the exception of creatine mono. Ya'll let me know what you think! Photos are from last week (red shirt) and 3 weeks ago via phone camera, both after upper body workouts and pumped.

If I were you I wouldnt take the winny at this point in time. It will work to a certain extent but not to its full potential untill you drop some serious weight. You have size for sure but you need to cut down a lot still. Stive to get around 10 to 12% and stop worrying about being the biggest for now anyway. This is JMO but what is the point of muscles if you cant see them(unless you are a competing powerlifter). Cut down and you will look great. Good luck man keep lifting

**got fina?** · 02-09-2005, 09:28 PM

Andre how many sites r u gonna get kicked from???? Bro stop telling everybody your natural. And stop trying to tuck your stomach into your pants.

**Jantzen4k** · 02-09-2005, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Prime

i dunno about biggest natural, but im by far the best looking

lol

**viking_warrior_2k** · 02-10-2005, 08:01 AM

Thanks for the advice, Beyonddriven. I actually do have an affinity towards powerlifting. My goals, however, are not to shred as quickly as possible, but to continue to get big while losing fat. Any suggestions on how to accomplish this in the best way are greatly appreciated!!! (I am truly a newbie...)

**Odin** · 02-10-2005, 10:47 AM

I would personaly run a regular 500mg Test E and 400MG EQ in a cycle. Since you have a little extra bodyfat, you might as well use it to your advatage and bulk with it. I always think any newbies first cycle should be a bulker, even if they are already big. I just see problems running winny alone bro. Your gonna get this feeling in your head that you should be getting stonger on AS and really try to add strength and Winny gonna end up getting you hurt.

1-14 Test Ethanate 500mg
1-13 EQ 400mg
Week 16 PCT
and keep Nolvdex on hand.
Then after adding your newly 20-25 new quality pounds then run a cutter about 2 months lattter.
1-8 Test prop 100mgED
1-8 Tren actate 75MGED

**viking_warrior_2k** · 02-10-2005, 03:06 PM

Thanks a mil, Odin. Owe ya one. Greatly appreciated.

**NoobJuice** · 02-10-2005, 03:39 PM

Your all small tatos

**viking_warrior_2k** · 02-11-2005, 08:15 AM

Meanwhile, what should I do with the winnie depot I've got coming in? Any recommended stacks to add to what I've already got coming?

**Odin** · 02-11-2005, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by viking_warrior_2k

Meanwhile, what should I do with the winnie depot I've got coming in? Any recommended stacks to add to what I've already got coming?

Save it for a cutter, Winny help's keep the sides down when used with tren .

**thetank** · 02-16-2005, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by TRLS63

in deed!!!! if i could be that big naturally i would thanks my parent every single day

hey thanks for the compliments bro's i just noticed this thread, havent been here in a while my nets been down. i actually havent been training i took about three months off for a variety of reasons but im back at it now training pretty regularly tryin 2 get back into it hardcore..so thanks for the motivation TRL/fatguy, i appreciate the props!
peace
tank

**3Vandoo** · 02-16-2005, 11:12 PM

Im the biggest natural on here, yes I only use creatine, HMB! YES thats it and ultimate orange of course, with some HOT STUFF!!!!!!!! yoohooo natural baby!!!!!!!

if someone arguing with me, im banning him

have a nice day

**Jackson111** · 02-17-2005, 12:50 AM

I don't think it makes any difference. If you can figure out how to get big naturally, fine. If you can figure out how to get really, really, really big on drugs, it takes even more planning and intelligence.

If you are just sort of big, and juiced that doesn't mean anything, but still everyone will respect you, and a lot more women will want you.

A lot of people DO NOT know how to get the most out of performance enhancing drugs.

Its all the same really, the limits of the human body are there though. You have a different level for a person who is totally lifetime drug free, a different level for people on low dosages of just steroids , then you have people who never take any supplements, and then you have the people who have taken everything you can imagine. Bottom line is who is strongest in the world? The guys who have taken the most, and have the most well planned drug program.

Thats my opinion, if you want to say its genetics and drugs and hard work I agree to some extent. But I think it boils down to the most effective training and drug program.

**Juggernaut** · 02-17-2005, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by thetank

hey thanks for the compliments bro's i just noticed this thread, havent been here in a while my nets been down. i actually havent been training i took about three months off for a variety of reasons but im back at it now training pretty regularly tryin 2 get back into it hardcore..so thanks for the motivation TRL/fatguy, i appreciate the props!
peace
tank

Good to see you back bro....I trust things have worked themselves out. Two months off isn't bad....you'll be back on top in short order.

**BillyJr** · 02-19-2005, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by MESSY_UK

I hear ya bro, look at his hair thin.. then grow back then thin and then grow back again and then balding.. obviously his anabolic abuse lead to his thinning of hair..he used to have a full head of hair..

**Elysium** · 02-19-2005, 07:21 AM

Haha ive just noticed all these noobs joining in the discussion bashing Andrea Avigpoor. If you dont know the guys history then i suggest you stay out of it.

**BillyJr** · 02-19-2005, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by MESSY_UK

Haha ive just noticed all these noobs joining in the discussion bashing Andrea Avigpoor. If you dont know the guys history then i suggest you stay out of it.

I understand he billboards his ass everywhere and he admited on one board that he used sustanon then edited after one of the members here got a link and his reponse was it was "hacked".

Other then that hes been several other places.. hes a big walking ego.

**Aussie-BigFella** · 03-12-2005, 08:20 AM

Viking...

Been over a month since this thread started, have you changed much in that time?

**tbody66** · 03-12-2005, 01:06 PM

In response to your question, I believe you are interested in finding out if you are the biggest non-steroid user who is posting pictures on this board. Then of course you admitted to using a couple of years ago. I believe that if you had been lifting during those two years you should definately look more like someone who lifts. You are obviously a large individual, but IMO I would think you would want to have a body that looks more muscular.

On the Andre note, I also thought he was kicked off of here and don't care to see his same old pics on any thread, most especially not his own.

**AVAGO** · 03-12-2005, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Andre Avigdor

I am 33 and 5,10"... I used to be 'big' @ 255lbs but I feel much better now at around 200lbs... I also think I look better now... remember that you "can't flex fat"

Aside from a useless 8 weeks of Dbol back in college, I am natural...
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/fat2fit/photo%20068A.jpg
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/feb1b.jpg
http://solo2.abac.com/avigdor/temp/diet/web/feb1c.jpg

........Oh and the anadrol i crumble on my cornflakes every day ...........did i mention i use winstrol instead of milk ??

**viking_warrior_2k** · 03-14-2005, 07:27 AM

Thanks for asking, Aussie..., Lately my strength has gone up, as I've only been hitting my legs and chest once per week with various other exercises involved, but I've been hitting my sets really hard and intense, upping my sets and poundages, and lowering my reps. Obviously, more "power-lifting" than bodybuilding.

In an unrelated note, a psychic just told my girlfriend, "your boyfriend is super intense!" Hehe, I'm getting recognition from someone I haven't even met! Anyway, I haven't started a cycle yet, but as long as I'm making gains, I'm not worried about it.

As I've been lifting more power moves lately. My weight has gone up to 270lb., but I'm not too concerned as long as I'm getting stronger. I had 1000+lb. on the leg press last week doing multiple sets for reps, so I'm feeling pretty good about my progress. I don't think I've hit my peak stage as far as strength goes, so I'm going to continue on with my power moves, and maybe come summer I'll do a cycle. Heck, I may forgo the whole bodybuilding aspect and just kick some a** in the power-lifting school.

**Aussie-BigFella** · 03-14-2005, 07:35 AM

No worries Viking, thanks for the update.

I to have found more "natural" strength with age, I only train each b/part once per week with great intensity,basic and heavy.

I am considering doing a cycle within the next 3 months, first cycle, just interested to see what will happen then strip back some fat. Anyway best of luck.

BigFella

**simplyjakked** · 03-14-2005, 10:39 AM

i love when fat guys talk about the size they have. it is much more impressive to have 17" arms that have definition than 19" arms that dont move when flexed! being fat is not impressive just look around you at the mall (there is plenty of fat out there)!

**DrugsrGood** · 03-14-2005, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by TheDfromGC

claiming ur the biggest natural person on here then saying u did steroids is what u call contradicting....theres tons of natural big members on the board that dont post too much or have pictures, as for the members that tend to be regular posters, my vote is for swolecat....

Between me and you though...I dont think swolecat is 100% natural though...just a hunch...

**3Vandoo** · 03-14-2005, 12:51 PM

HEy Andre, how many Aerobic classes a day do you teach?

**HammerCurler** · 03-14-2005, 07:32 PM

who's your daddy?

andre is

**Hed** · 03-14-2005, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by TRLS63

thetank is one of the thickiest natural bro ive ever seen!!

http://67.18.108.244/showthread.php?...highlight=pics

Tank is thick, but hes also only 5'5"

Andre, get your crap out of here, we are all sick of your 'im natural' ****.

And for gods sakes guys, except for the cycle of test im on now, im natural too. If you EVER did roids, you are not natural, whether or not you kept gains or not.