this be me guys and gals...new guy here

SVTMuscle* · 02-12-2006, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by NewKid

Exactly the same as me...

Some people on here dont understand why I dont drink etc...even guys that arent in college!...

do you compete or anything?

**Myka** · 02-12-2006, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by SVTMuscle

do you compete or anything?

Mostly I live a certain lifestyle for myself...and also so I can hang out with the type of people I want...+ possibly training to play rugby

**boutbusiness9** · 02-12-2006, 11:57 PM

007, Use your best judgement and train hard. I started all test cycle couple of weeks ago and decided to run tren with it. Starting to see cutting results.
Cant wait until next months sults

looking good , keep it up

**xUNFORGIV3Nx** · 02-13-2006, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Narkissos

you're an assclown...

When the other dudes were partying in highschool i was dieting and training.. and competing

Dieting my ass off.

An hour+ of cardio daily.

I'm in college... don't drink.. don't party.. still dieting and training my ass off

Working.. sometimes two jobs.. studying and competing.

"Black guys got ripped ass six packs and aint have to do shit?"

Get up off your ass and lifts weights or something.

LOL i love Narkissos.....He is right.......Black peeps aint no different from white or any other race...........Who gives a shit what color you are or what u look like......we all live, breathe & eat the weights. Thats all that matters......

xUNFORGIV3Nx

**WHOADY4SHOADY** · 02-13-2006, 07:01 PM

I am in no way trying to start a race war or anything, I am white by the way, but in my opinion black people overall, do have it easier when it comes to sports. Overall they have and can attain more muscle mass at lower body fat percentages naturally. If you cant admit to that, you have personal issues in my opinion. I have a black friend, that I am helping to get in shape right now, he just started a couple of weeks ago and has already blown up. Before I started trining him, he would eat little debbies, and check grape drink all day long and would easily stay in the single digit bodyfat with a nice amount of muscle. I grew up in an all black neighborhood in New Orleans and I have to tell you, black people do have better muscular development over all the races. I mean just look at professional sports. You cant deny it, just accept it. You can only deal with what you got. Peace.

**kirk3624** · 02-13-2006, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Carlos_E

My point ... the look he has can be attained naturally. You don't need to cycle for it.

I agree...especially considering the age and probable metabolism rate.

**PLAYA4LIFE** · 02-13-2006, 08:34 PM

I agree with you

**goalseeker** · 02-13-2006, 10:07 PM

nope...IMO color has nothing to do with it....
Its all genetics if you happen to be able to gain, or grow, or whatever a little bit better than the next guy...that was one of the first things I was ever told by a retired pro BB who is a friend of my brothers..
theres no race that is more dominant than the others like that.. thats silly....

**Carlos_E** · 02-13-2006, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by WHOADY4SHOADY

I am in no way trying to start a race war or anything, I am white by the way, but in my opinion black people overall, do have it easier when it comes to sports. Overall they have and can attain more muscle mass at lower body fat percentages naturally. If you cant admit to that, you have personal issues in my opinion. I have a black friend, that I am helping to get in shape right now, he just started a couple of weeks ago and has already blown up. Before I started trining him, he would eat little debbies, and check grape drink all day long and would easily stay in the single digit bodyfat with a nice amount of muscle. I grew up in an all black neighborhood in New Orleans and I have to tell you, black people do have better muscular development over all the races. I mean just look at professional sports. You cant deny it, just accept it. You can only deal with what you got. Peace.

I don't know where you live in New Orleans but from what I saw of the news coverage of the hurricane, you have plenty of fat out of shape Black people living there.

You're into working out. Maybe all of the Blacks you notice are the ones who are in good shape. All of the skinny or fat ones are invisible to you. They don't catch your eye.

I ride the NYC subways through Brooklyn and I have to tell you, there are plenty of fat disgustingly out of shape Black people here. So your theory is wrong.

**Carlos_E** · 02-13-2006, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by goalseeker

nope...IMO color has nothing to do with it....
Its all genetics if you happen to be able to gain, or grow, or whatever a little bit better than the next guy...that was one of the first things I was ever told by a retired pro BB who is a friend of my brothers..
theres no race that is more dominant than the others like that.. thats silly....

Agreed.

I think White athletes pull the race card because they don't want to admit that a Black athlete may work harder and that's why they're in better shape. Just blame genetics and say it comes easy for them.

**WHOADY4SHOADY** · 02-14-2006, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by Carlos_E

Agreed.

I think White athletes pull the race card because they don't want to admit that a Black athlete may work harder and that's why their in better shape. Just blame genetics and say it comes easy for them.

Wow, you shoot my statement down with this statement, thats just pitiful in my opinion. I guess we are all entitled to our on opinion, but I have seen studies where overall black athletes had more fast twitch muscle fibers and or more prevelant, and longer achilles tendons, showing why they can jump and run faster than other races. Ill see if I can find them on the net. Peace.

**Carlos_E** · 02-14-2006, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by WHOADY4SHOADY

Wow, you shoot my statement down with this statement, thats just pitiful in my opinion. I guess we are all entitled to our on opinion, but I have seen studies where overall black athletes had more fast twitch muscle fibers and or more prevelant, and longer achilles tendons, showing why they can jump and run faster than other races. Ill see if I can find them on the net. Peace.

Jumping and running? In Africa Blacks had to run from lions and jump after gazelle and antelope to eat. What exactly does this have to do with bodybuilding? I don't know about you, but I don't do much jumping or running when I'm picking up weights.

**Wiggum** · 02-14-2006, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by omnipotent

well .. black guys do have slightly better genetics then white dudes .. thats why they dominate almost all the sports ..

and another thing .. why black guys look more ripped the white guys is cuz , as simple as i can put it .. they're black the more darker pigment you have in yur skin the more definiion showing

1% tan = 2% more muscle showing

what the hell just happend here??

**Wiggum** · 02-14-2006, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Carlos_E

I don't know about you, but I don't do much jumping or running when I'm picking up weights.

I think it is about finding the sport that is most attuned to your body type. I'm part hispanic and I was a rower. Actually the only hispanic rower on my team and have only met a handful of others that rowed. The point is, because I'm 6'4-6'5 and rowing came naturally to me but I still had to work my ass off. There are naturaly athletes out there but not all black people can play basketball and not all white people can play baseball. Like i said, it's all about body type, coordination and dedication...not race.

**Carlos_E** · 02-14-2006, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Wiggum

I think it is about finding the sport that is most attuned to your body type. I'm part hispanic and I was a rower. Actually the only hispanic rower on my team and have only met a handful of others that rowed. The point is, because I'm 6'4-6'5 and rowing came naturally to me but I still had to work my ass off. There are naturaly athletes out there but not all black people can play basketball and not all white people can play baseball. Like i said, it's all about body type, coordination and dedication...not race.

I agree 100%. My brother and I went to an all White school. I mean ALL WHITE. Just our family. Freshmen year of high school the football and basketball coach came up to us and asked if we wanted to be on the team. We didn't have to try out. They just assumed we knew how to play. Boy were they surprised to see we dribbled with 2 hands and neither of us could catch.

I think my father put us into none stereotypical sports on purpose. Gymnastics, soccer and diving.

**WHOADY4SHOADY** · 02-14-2006, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Carlos_E

Jumping and running? In Africa Blacks had to run from lions and jump after gazelle and antelope to eat. What exactly does this have to do with bodybuilding? I don't know about you, but I don't do much jumping or running when I'm picking up weights.

FAST TWITCH MUSCLE FIBERS!!!!

**miked512** · 02-14-2006, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by WHOADY4SHOADY

FAST TWITCH MUSCLE FIBERS!!!!

I don't know man. When I look at a viking and an ancient african, it looks like the viking has more fast twitch muscle fibers than the ancient african.

There may be fiber advantages for black athletes, but these are athletes we're talking about which only make up about 5-10% of each races own population which makes them your genetically atypical athlete. A genetically typical athlete, I don't care what race still has to work just as hard as the next guy despite his race.

a better study would be to take a group of black fat asses, a group of white fat asses and groups of fat asses from all races and do an averaging of who has the larger amount of fast twitch muscle fibers. These fat asses would constitute a subset of the group of genetically typical people.

**tt2323** · 02-14-2006, 03:59 PM

I did a quick google search. the article stated the percent of overweight adults (25+yr) was 31% for african americans and white were 30%.

I believe darker skinned individuals look leaner because of the darker skin, why else would bodybuilders tan?

**miked512** · 02-14-2006, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by tt2323

I did a quick google search. the article stated the percent of overweight adults (25+yr) was 31% for african americans and white were 30%.

I believe darker skinned individuals look leaner because of the darker skin, why else would bodybuilders tan?

Dude, this is going to be so skewed because that overweight is probably based on BMI. You know they'll just say "but most of those guys are overweight at 5% bodyfat. that study is flawed."

So don't even believe this is going to help.

**WHOADY4SHOADY** · 02-14-2006, 09:04 PM

Well, Im just going to agree to disagree with you about this Carlos since it is something stupid to argue about to begin with and we cant change it whether it be true or false, but I do have friends of the white and black race that agree with me on this subject. O well, take it easy.

**tt2323** · 02-14-2006, 11:34 PM

miked where the hell ya been man? Obesity is an epidemic in the U.S. These numbers are for a large population of the U.S. I see your point how bodybuilders will show obese at 5% bodyfat. There are few and far between! My point someone stated african americans are born athletes. As my figures show.. if your african american you are slightly more likely to be out of shape. Just making a point

**PLAYA4LIFE** · 02-15-2006, 03:48 PM

this thread a came to a hault

**hardgainer12** · 02-15-2006, 04:02 PM

Major subject change!!!!

**NYGIANTS21** · 02-15-2006, 04:11 PM

You look good bro, keep it up!

**PLAYA4LIFE** · 02-15-2006, 07:22 PM

to be honest you're ripped but are very small. you have a wrestlers body. My brother is 16 5' 8" and 160 with 3%bf year round and I swear he looks like 200. although you're lean you look to young to be cycyling, not enough training, diet, and not a solid base yet.

**drewfius007** · 02-15-2006, 10:16 PM

haha all the people for posting thinks....good or bad,,,,, it cool and i like discussion and was glas that i get a discussion from all yall.. That is what this is for right........Any how yeah i dont wanna be a bodybuilder casue that would interfer with my golf game....I am an advid golfer with about an um 7 handicap....So bulk would mess me up. And yeah i am going for the mensfitness look deff. Thinks for that point. By the way i juiced two years ago when i was depressed and like 20 yrs old casue i weighed a 115 pounds. Bad genetics.. I like where i am at. And diet is horrible cause college, full time job, girlfriend, and golf and then gym is hard to do all perfectley, but i have some new pics here in a few so i will show yall.... deff. not going for 200 pound beefey bodybuilder..... And yes traps need improvment i know.

**Ntpadude** · 02-16-2006, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Carlos_E

My point ... the look he has can be attained naturally. You don't need to cycle for it.

I agree with you there, he isnt all that built, nothing that 6 months of hard workouts couldnt do. I never did roids in my 20's and I had that type of shape and size for most of my 20's and I really didnt do the full gym thing, I accomplished it with just a set of dumb bells.

I was just saying remember the mind set of a 22 year old, they dont listen anyways and everything they do is motivated by sex anyways so if he perceives he's getting more because the roids, then thats all she wrote.

On the stereotyping... well there are plenty of fat ass black guys as well as nicely built. Good and bad genes go around for all nationalities. The same thing can be said for big framed Swedish or German Arian god like guys, but its not just automatic for them to have abs and big shoulders either, although some of these guys might have an easier time then say those of Spanish or English decent. I think the stereotype thing was very inappropriate. Thats like saying all Japanese have 2 inch dicks and all blacks have 14 inch ones...

**tbjake34** · 02-22-2006, 02:11 PM

Hey who ever said all black dudes have good genetics and white dudes dont they are wrong. I am white and im 215 lbs im 18 years old and i have a 6 pack i also run a 4.4 40 yard dash. Im not trying to rip on black dudes i have nothing against them im just saying that white people can have good genetics too.

**UCFTransam** · 02-22-2006, 07:30 PM

I dunno man but you look pretty shredded to me, whatever your doing keep at it!

**SensP** · 02-23-2006, 07:46 PM

I think the guy looks pretty damn good for 150 lbs. Could he have done it naturally? Probably. But we can't really turn back the clock, now can we? I'd say keep it up bro. If you put on 20 more lbs and stayed that lean you'd have the look you're going for.