O/T, Warrior21's Pics!

**Warrior21** · 10-08-2006, 07:25 PM

Wish I had before pics but oh well. I'll find some soon.

**fLgAtOr** · 10-08-2006, 07:27 PM

Looking solid bro. Shame the pics suck, but you def got some beefy lats.

**Warrior21** · 10-08-2006, 07:27 PM

more

**Warrior21** · 10-08-2006, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by fLgAtOr

Looking solid bro. Shame the pics suck, but you def got some beefy lats.

Thanks. Yea I'll get my bro to do more shots with a digi camera. I will do them after a workout, then you will see me at my best. Now I'm hairy/fat/not pumped.

**mike2nice** · 10-09-2006, 12:48 PM

what were your gains?

**mike2nice** · 10-09-2006, 12:49 PM

and what was your cycle?

**Warrior21** · 10-09-2006, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by mike2nice

and what was your cycle?

You must not be familiar with me. My cycles I've done don't mean anything bro. So put it this way, I'm natty.

**Bigmax** · 10-09-2006, 01:10 PM

Glad to hear your feeling good bro,Lookin decent aswell..but wrong forum..it'll probably get moved.

BG · 10-09-2006, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Bigmax

Glad to hear your feeling good bro,Lookin decent aswell..but wrong forum..it'll probably get moved.

Hopefully, sic of his threads sure as hell dont want to look at him yanking his boxers up for us!

**Warrior21** · 10-09-2006, 01:13 PM

I figured it was a little bit relevant in this forum, due to the fact that people requested I put up pics.

**Bigmax** · 10-09-2006, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by BigGuns101

Hopefully, sic of his threads sure as hell dont want to look at him yanking his boxers up for us!

LOL.....I hear you bro

**Bigmax** · 10-09-2006, 01:16 PM

Sorry bro...No its not relevant here...cause this is a Q and A forum...there is a pic forum for members and thier pics.So you are natty right???

**Warrior21** · 10-09-2006, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Bigmax

Sorry bro...No its not relevant here...cause this is a Q and A forum...there is a pic forum for members and thier pics.So you are natty right???

yup all natural

**Hackamaniac** · 10-09-2006, 01:37 PM

I think everybody is way to harsh on this fella
He is researching his ass off
Do you guys blame him

**IBdmfkr** · 10-09-2006, 02:18 PM

OK so we FINALLY got the pics.. (you are nowhere near your "natural" potential and your diet is obviously not spot on). Now post your diet so we can see what 5-6K calories looks like.
You have a descent base bro but you're holding a lot of bodyfat as well and you have no muscle maturity. Deff need to look at your diet/training program before you shove another few grams of anabolics in your system/wk.

**Warrior21** · 10-09-2006, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Hackamaniac

I think everybody is way to harsh on this fella
He is researching his ass off
Do you guys blame him

You're a badass. Thanks for not joining the bandwagon and following others in an attempt to 'fit in'. I'm glad you recognize my effort

**Warrior21** · 10-09-2006, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by I**mfkr

OK so we FINALLY got the pics.. (you are nowhere near your "natural" potential and your diet is obviously not spot on). Now post your diet so we can see what 5-6K calories looks like.
You have a descent base bro but you're holding a lot of bodyfat as well and you have no muscle maturity. Deff need to look at your diet/training program before you shove another few grams of anabolics in your system/wk.

I will outline my diet for you when I ran my Test Cycles, and the Fina cycle as well;
An average day might look like this 5000 calories 35% pro/ 35% carb/ 30% fat
440g pro, 440g carb, 166g fat

5 meals consisting of 80g pro, 80g carb, 33g fat
PWO Shake I took 50g Dextrose,40g whey, 4g creatine and a multimvitamin for luck
Before Bed I had 3 servings of cottage cheese and a table spoon of olive oil.

Carb Sources: Pizza(homemade), Oats, Brown Rice, Sweet Potatoe, Boniato, White Rice, Black Beans, Pasta
Pro Sources: Tuna, Lean Beef, Chicken, Turkey, Cottage Cheese, Liquid Egg whites
Fat Sources: Pizza, Almonds, Cashews, Olive Oil, Canola Oil, Avocado

I eat basically the best foods, closest to natural as possible.
================================================== ========
Ok so what are you going to say next? Can you explain steroid -induced gene transcription? Do you know what a histone actylator is? How about a steroid coactivator? What are some good examples of a histone deactylase inhibitors?

Hmm. I bet you never heard of any of those, have you? What does SRC-1 stand for huh? Gee is Tamoxifen Citrate a coactivator agonist, or is it an antagonist? Can you answer any of the above?

Diet and training are so simple compared to this. Oh and please, post your pics too.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 10-09-2006, 06:29 PM

good pics. I agree with hacka and i**m. You do research hard and you shouldn't be knocked for that. I do think your barking up the wrong tree though. I can't imagine your diet is A1 and that will be the main reason you have had less than positive results with AS. Good luck with whatever you are doing (natty or not) you have a good base to put some serious muscle on there. Just eat hard and lift hard!!

***perfectbeast2001*** · 10-09-2006, 06:32 PM

just seen your last post. sorry i was still typing as you had posted. That diet doesnt tell us much. post your meals in full. For example homemade pizza could be anything. Wether you respond to gear or not I think the point is that if your diet was spot on you would have more LBM.

**Warrior21** · 10-09-2006, 06:47 PM

I'll post a few samples meals. I don't follow a set meal plan. I do follow strict macronutrient ratios though. I eat this many grams of carbs pro fat per meal.

Meal 1: Half of a pizza. 10 oz. sirloin steak, 1/2 cup broccoli
Meal 2: 2 cups oatmeal mixed with 3 tbsp peanut butter and egg protein powder
Meal 3: 2 cans of tuna, 2 cups oatmeal, 2 tbsp olive oil mixed in a blender
Meal 4: Pastuerized Liquid Egg whites (I drink em), large sweet potatoe, 1/2 cup almonds
Meal 5: PWO SHake
Meal 6: 2 cups Brown Rice, 10 oz. Sirloin steak
Meal 7: 3/4 lb cottage cheese, tbsp of olive oil

Even if my diet sucked, I would still see side effects and bloating from steroids . People don't understand the mechanisms of androgen deactivation/resistance. Since people don't know whats really going on, they call bullshit. Well it's not bullshit it's very real. I even posted a god damn study that shows two little girls who didn't see any effects from testosterone injections. How do you explain that? Did their crappy diet stop their clitoris from enalrging?

**sooners04** · 10-09-2006, 07:37 PM

I want to know who checked two little girl's clits. Pervs!

**Warrior21** · 10-09-2006, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by sooners04

I want to know who checked two little girl's clits. Pervs!

Very helpful. Doctors did by the way.

**IBdmfkr** · 10-09-2006, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Warrior21

Diet and training are so simple compared to this. Oh and please, post your pics too.

Diet is so simple yet you don't know the first thing about it. The diet listed flat sucks and is great for putting on fat, need I say more.

Training? LOL I'd love to see you routine.. better yet fly down to TX and train with me for just one week, Maybe you'll learn what a HIT program really consists of.
Not here for a pissing match with you, Just pull your head out of your ass and realize drugs don't make the bodybuilder, get a clue.

P.S. The last pic is me on 150mg Anadrol /day and 1gram of Test Prop/wk..
Do I look bloated compared to your pics? LMAO

**C_Bino** · 10-09-2006, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by I**mfkr

Diet is so simple yet you don't know the first thing about it. The diet listed flat sucks and is great for putting on fat, need I say more.

Training? LOL I'd love to see you routine.. better yet fly down to TX and train with me for just one week, Maybe you'll learn what a HIT program really consists of.
Not here for a pissing match with you, Just pull your head out of your ass and realize drugs don't make the bodybuilder, get a clue.

P.S. The last pic is me on 150mg Anadrol /day and 1gram of Test Prop/wk..
Do I look bloated compared to your pics? LMAO

Im with you all the way brother. I think the problem is what you pointed out, his head is up his ass. If he came and approached it better and was willing to listen rather than say his diet is spot on etc...yet then go ahead and say he eats pizza for breakfast, than he may accomplish something.

But if he is too obsessed with his histone deactylase inhibitors he will never learn. I mean with his size he should have never tried AAS in the first place so this should be the least of his worries.

Spend some more time learning about nutrition and how your body works and training rather than your non-responding theories since you are far from a physique that should be touching AAS anyways.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 10-10-2006, 03:02 AM

yeah that diet does suck. It would just make me hugely fat.

**pedro01** · 10-10-2006, 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by Warrior21

I will outline my diet for you when I ran my Test Cycles, and the Fina cycle as well;
An average day might look like this 5000 calories 35% pro/ 35% carb/ 30% fat
440g pro, 440g carb, 166g fat

5 meals consisting of 80g pro, 80g carb, 33g fat
PWO Shake I took 50g Dextrose,40g whey, 4g creatine and a multimvitamin for luck
Before Bed I had 3 servings of cottage cheese and a table spoon of olive oil.

Carb Sources: Pizza(homemade), Oats, Brown Rice, Sweet Potatoe, Boniato, White Rice, Black Beans, Pasta
Pro Sources: Tuna, Lean Beef, Chicken, Turkey, Cottage Cheese, Liquid Egg whites
Fat Sources: Pizza, Almonds, Cashews, Olive Oil, Canola Oil, Avocado

I eat basically the best foods, closest to natural as possible.
================================================== ========
Ok so what are you going to say next? Can you explain steroid -induced gene transcription? Do you know what a histone actylator is? How about a steroid coactivator? What are some good examples of a histone deactylase inhibitors?

Hmm. I bet you never heard of any of those, have you? What does SRC-1 stand for huh? Gee is Tamoxifen Citrate a coactivator agonist, or is it an antagonist? Can you answer any of the above?

Diet and training are so simple compared to this. Oh and please, post your pics too.

The best foods, closest to natural as possible ? PIZZA ? I hate to break this to you - there is no pizza tree.

And I see very few vegetables. Not nearly enough fibre. Personally, my guts would suffer big time on this. That breakfast alone is going to be sitting in your stomach an awful long time.

Also - I think a few too many of your meals are liquid.

**Warrior21** · 10-10-2006, 08:11 AM

Would anybody like to suggest a bulk diet? Cmon I pulled my head out of my ass fker.

And tell me, who have you ever seen go on roids and not gain, despite shitty diet and training. Studies show that even sedentary people can go on steroids and gain a few pounds of muscle.
Maybe there are no non-responders on this board, but there's even a board sponsor receptionist I talked to that told me his buddy fought in MMA and didn't gain anything off of steroids either.
How do you explain why Taiboxa has to use like 10x regular doses for a cycle? How do you explain why Skullsmasher dosen't gain anything off test? Don't give me any of that "every persons body is different" bullshit. I want some real, scientific explanation.

**IBdmfkr** · 10-10-2006, 08:23 AM

Being a non-responder is like winning the Lottery in a bad way.. I see people constantly around me in the gyms that take huge doses like you mention and probably eat pizza for breakfast too that don't gain but a few lbs along with some fat, you may just have a faster metabolism so you can get away with eating from the pizza tree more often.
lol.. like I said I'd spend you time researching diet rather than drugs, That's where I think you'll find the answers. But what do I know.

Goodluck Warrior, if you come up with a better diet proposal I'd be happy to help you put it together.

**Warrior21** · 10-10-2006, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by I**mfkr

Being a non-responder is like winning the Lottery in a bad way.. I see people constantly around me in the gyms that take huge doses like you mention and probably eat pizza for breakfast too that don't gain but a few lbs along with some fat, you may just have a faster metabolism so you can get away with eating from the pizza tree more often.
lol.. like I said I'd spend you time researching diet rather than drugs, That's where I think you'll find the answers. But what do I know.

Goodluck Warrior, if you come up with a better diet proposal I'd be happy to help you put it together.

What would you say about me starting to go bald at 18 years old? What would you say about me having gyno develop at 13? I would say I've won the lotto in a bad way plenty of times.
Fast metabolism? I wish. I'm 16% bf in my pics. I'm fat.
Thats weird that you see people around you use steroids and not gain. Even that ****ing faggot on MTV True Life's "I'm On Steroids " gained size and strength without eating properly. Theres plenty of guys around me who are getting huge just off of drugs and training.
I'm going to let go of anabolics for about 2 years. I bet in 2 years I'll respond, just like my brother did. It could be that my body is still trying to develop, and it is fighting hard to lower those androgen levels.

**IBdmfkr** · 10-10-2006, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Warrior21

What would you say about me starting to go bald at 18 years old? Get hair plugs? What would you say about me having gyno develop at 13? You were a fat kid, there are thousands of kids just like you I would say I've won the lotto in a bad way plenty of times. So you got a shitty hand of genetics, thank your parents but don't blame the drugs when you have not a clue about proper diet/training to maximize what God gave you.Fast metabolism? I wish. I'm 16% bf in my pics. I'm fat. Lets not get back into you and the pizza tree

Stop with the excuses and do something about it. You keep saying diet/training aren't important etc compared to anabolics but obviously you're wrong considering your pics and your progress thus far.

**Warrior21** · 10-10-2006, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by I**mfkr

Stop with the excuses and do something about it. You keep saying diet/training aren't important etc compared to anabolics but obviously you're wrong considering your pics and your progress thus far.

I never said diet and training werent important. What did you look like before steroids ? How do I know the pics you might have are actually before steroids, I don't. You're not bloated in those pics because youre on diuretics, duh.
Why not suggest me a diet? Its alot more useful then sitting there talking shit.

**IBdmfkr** · 10-10-2006, 12:55 PM

Diuretics in the offseason? are you joking..

Why not write you a diet, because you're an arrogant prick first that doesn't know the first thing about diet/training/anabolics and second I get paid to write diets for guys like you. I am simply trying to steer you in the right direction but you continuously get angry and throw it back at the members who are just looking out.. I don't get paid to be here..
I'm done with you and your worthless threads.. goodbye

***Alex*** · 10-10-2006, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by I**mfkr

Diuretics in the offseason? are you joking..

Why not write you a diet, because you're an arrogant prick first that doesn't know the first thing about diet/training/anabolics and second I get paid to write diets for guys like you. I am simply trying to steer you in the right direction but you continuously get angry and throw it back at the members who are just looking out.. I don't get paid to be here..
I'm done with you and your worthless threads.. goodbye

co-signed.

**Hackamaniac** · 10-10-2006, 01:06 PM

Warrior I was supporting you bro
But ** is one of the most helpfull guys on this board
He has helped me with diet and training
Replies to all my pm's and doesn't just send me back a word or two
He really is here to help
So you should try to listen to him

**Warrior21** · 10-10-2006, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Hackamaniac

Warrior I was supporting you bro
But ** is one of the most helpfull guys on this board
He has helped me with diet and training
Replies to all my pm's and doesn't just send me back a word or two
He really is here to help
So you should try to listen to him

Thats cool. I got a little bit carried away. But even you said it yourself, him and BigGuns are giving me a hard time bro, for no reason.
If they would walk in my shoes one day they would know I wasn't bullshitting. I came on here looking for answers which no one here is really qualified to give. I guess it was messed up from the beginning.

**Warrior21** · 10-10-2006, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by I**mfkr

Diuretics in the offseason? are you joking..

Why not write you a diet, because you're an arrogant prick first that doesn't know the first thing about diet/training/anabolics and second I get paid to write diets for guys like you. I am simply trying to steer you in the right direction but you continuously get angry and throw it back at the members who are just looking out.. I don't get paid to be here..
I'm done with you and your worthless threads.. goodbye

I'm a personal trainer who also writes diets for people bro, you're special

**Hackamaniac** · 10-10-2006, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Warrior21

I'm a personal trainer who also writes diets for people bro, you're special

My guess is the remarks like this one
Are rubbing people the wrong way
If someone is trying to help you should be gratefull
Don't mock them or try to belittle them
I hope you do figure out what you are looking for
I would not be burning bridges in the progress though

**timtim** · 10-10-2006, 01:54 PM

I'm a personal trainer who also writes diets for people bro, you're special

really? must be pretty desperate people.

having an argument with ** is silly, he's very helpful. you seem to be looking for excuses for lack of development. not gonna help you much with that attitude.

ever heard this before:
why do we have 2 ears and only one mouth? because listening is two times harder than talking.

might want to start listening up to good info. if you knew as much about diet and training as you say you do the results would be visible.

**Warrior21** · 10-10-2006, 04:53 PM

I'm all ears. I might have been a bit too smart in my earlier posts. Part of it has been my recent frustration, another part has been all the flaming against me.
Anyways here the game plan. I'm not touching anabolics for another two years, due to endocrine development-related reasons. First point on the agenda; research more about dieting. I'm going to perfect my diet.
Second point; study training more.

I can bet my left nut 2 years from now I'm going to start gaining off of drugs, and I'll have my diet and training perfect by then. Everything will fall into place.

Who thinks Mind and Muscle is a good place to research diet/training? What do you guys think of High Frequency programs?

**timtim** · 10-10-2006, 05:19 PM

good idea with the future moves. i would look at the training forum we have here for training info. i personally like hatfield and bompa principles.

good luck and i hope you get everything on track.

diet wise i have spent the last 10 years working things out and the last 6 straight through 365 days. once you find out how your body works with different macros and calories everything will change. i've done more growing with diet alone than gear. i took off a few years from the gear to perfect my diet. thank God for that decision.