My Photographic Story ... and updates.

**Priapism** · 10-10-2007, 08:49 PM

First off ... I've been completely impressed with the attitude and supportiveness of people on this forum, in comparison to other forums. It has really stood out. Even when a guy really just looks like Napoleon Dynamite, yet is bragging about 15lbs of new muscle mass, you guys applaud his efforts and encourage him to keep working at it. Thanks for being so upbeat and supportive of eachother.

Before and After

In my natural state, I was cursed with what I felt to be the worst possible genetic body shape on earth. Sickeningly underweight, narrow womanly shoulders, and a long feminine neck. Lets call these my "Before" pictures...

Finally a couple years ago, a friend recommended Cytogainer to me, and I took his advice. I don't want to sound like an infommercial but that stuff literally saved my life. Maybe it was the ability to absorb calories easier in a liquid form. I don't know. But for the first time in my life, I put on 30lbs of size while working out, in a 6 to 8 month period. I hadn't changed my work out AT ALL. My workouts excelled dramatically.

Lets call these my "Cytogainer After Pictures":

My struggle since these pics has been not getting pudgy. Cytogainer is great, but you seriously need to watch what you eat. Over the last few weeks I started putting on too much pudge, and decided to cut. I dropped the cytogainer, and started a almost zero carb diet with isopure protein and chicken breasts ... lots of water. In the first week alone I dropped EIGHT POUNDS. Turned out to be water retention - pissed it right out.

I am not as big as I want to be. Obviously I look fine. Everyone tells me that. But my goal (you can see a pic of it below) is just a little bigger. Ive been reading this forum and it almost sounds like all I would want to do is 1 cycle. Maybe 2 maximum. I saw a guy on here who did just 1 cycle and went from my current body to exactly the body I am hoping for. So im considering this 1 cycle idea. Continued below...

**Priapism** · 10-10-2007, 08:56 PM

I took this set of photos yesterday. Its where Im at currently. Im in the process of cutting. I hit 195lbs but now down to about 182lbs. And right now im going to pretty much read and educate myself on all this before I make any decision. I have an okay shape.. i am just "soft" looking and don't have decent "size" for what im trying to accomplish:

Im vascillating back and forth between trying the 300g protein and Greens all natural regimen and just doing a cycle or two ......

**Rx7joker** · 10-10-2007, 08:57 PM

Man u look good, wat cycle r u going to jump on, I'm on my first as of right now. I need to lose the belly. lol but u look great, how long did it take u to get like this.

**Priapism** · 10-10-2007, 09:06 PM

I know I look okay but I do see a difference between looking okay and looking "Excellent". The picture at bottom, to me, is a lifetime Goal. Thats what Im shooting for.

What you see in the mirror photos near the bottom .... thats basically 1 year on cytogainer and maybe a subway sandwich every day. Nothing spectacular.

I have no idea what cyle. I am literally about 24 hours into researching this entire topic for the first time. So im going to read for a few weeks at least first. Not sure if I should do the chicken breast & greens or the cycle method...

**GGallin** · 10-10-2007, 09:37 PM

Is this a Cytogain commercial LOL. You look great bro. You can truly see a huge difference. Just imagine when you do a real cycle what you will look like.

**Priapism** · 10-10-2007, 09:42 PM

Do you think a cycle is all i would need to reach "that guy" above?

**dhriscerr** · 10-10-2007, 09:56 PM

Not a cycle, don't get me wrong that will help alot, but you need to get a good diet and workout schedual for a solid year before you even think about a cycle, just because to get that low of a bf% if your not genetically gifted like that, DIET and CARDIO is the best thing to get you sub 10% then the Winstrols, Props, Tren , and Anvar will come into effect. You will be suprised what will happen in a year with a good diet and routine.

**Priapism** · 10-10-2007, 10:01 PM

Can you guys recommend any online, pre-written-out diet regimens that look solid and cover all the necessary requirements? I'd kill for a quick, easy list to follow, rather than the fairly vague "Eat lots of protein and greens and oats".

**hunkunderconstruct** · 10-10-2007, 10:34 PM

how tall do u stand ...

**Raven88** · 10-10-2007, 10:54 PM

You've made great strides since your beginner photos. make sure you continue to research and study all aspects of proper AAS use and all components involved with properly running a cycle before you decide to make that jump if you so choose to do so, it is then that you should know what you will want to do as far as any chemical enhancement goes.

As for you diet, there is a diet forum on this board and you could post up you current diet, full detailed, and members can critique it for you and help you make the necessary adjustments to reach the goals that you are aiming for.

Based on the current photos, as far as LBM goes, I do not think you are too far from attaining your goal. It appears to me that it is the diet that needs tweaking so that you can maintain the LBM you do carry and shed the BF off at the same time.

Best of luck mate.

**Kale** · 10-11-2007, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by Priapism

I took this set of photos yesterday. Its where Im at currently. Im in the process of cutting. I hit 195lbs but now down to about 182lbs. And right now im going to pretty much read and educate myself on all this before I make any decision. I have an okay shape.. i am just "soft" looking and don't have decent "size" for what im trying to accomplish:

Im vascillating back and forth between trying the 300g protein and Greens all natural regimen and just doing a cycle or two ......

My Goal: To look like this guy

Simply put, this is my friend in Scottsdale, AZ and this is exactly what my goal is. Based on what you guys know, how would you go from "Me" to .......... "This" ?

-P-

Genetic Engineering ? But seriously, its a combination of genetics and an awesome diet

**Growingpains** · 10-11-2007, 01:02 AM

I think if your diet is in check. (post it) then a simple cycle with some dbol @ 30-40 mgs/day for 4 weeks and some test E @ 500 mgs/week followed with proper PCT and maybe a cutting cycle, (clen , ECA stack...) then I think it is definitely possible....btw, the transformation is crazy.

**TbolzNdbols** · 10-11-2007, 02:20 AM

I would have to disagree with you Grow and say to run 40mg Anavar ed 5-6weeks and prop eod 125-150mg for 10 weeks. You have the size for that picture a proper diet and low intense cardio that cycle may achieve a very similar physique to that of your shredded friend. Grow imo if he were to run dbol and test e, he would bloat up with a lot of water and not look like that guy at all.

**AandF6969** · 10-11-2007, 02:23 AM

First off - fukking great work dude, you look like two different people. I bet you feel like a million bucks.

Second - You don't need to cycle to look like the dude in the picture. I guarantee if you completely get your diet and training straitened out, you can look like that in 6 months... probably do 4 months of lean bulking (you can chip away bodyfat slowly) and then 2 months of cutting. Post up your diet and workout in the appropriate forums for critique and we'll help you out.

Check out the "lean muscle mass" thread at the top of the diet forum, that would be a good starting point.

The picture below is me from 2-3 years ago when I was cutting, and still natural. 2 years before that, I was a 140 lb. scrawny kid at 5'10". In the picture I think I'm about 180. I could have gotten a lot more ripped pretty easily if I wasn't so concerned with keeping every ounce of muscle I had.

It can be done brother, just gotta straiten that diet and workout plan out.

**ChuckLee** · 10-11-2007, 03:00 AM

chemicals...

**Priapism** · 10-11-2007, 03:03 AM

All of you are amazing. Seriously, thanks for the support and the advice. A couple of responses to some of the things said:

1) The guy in the photo told me he uses(ed?) prohormones. His opinion is that you can't get *that* cut and that low body fat and that "selectively placed bulk" without them. I should have mentioned I knew that much about him, sorry!

2) to "hunk" - im 6ft tall. Just at it. Maybe 5'11 and 3/4.

3) As for current diet, its fairly all over the place. For instance im still trying to kill this pudge around my belly so today I had like 4 chicken breasts (over the course of the day) and one 50g non-carb protein shake. Thats it. And water. Tomorrow? Who knows.

4) Kale - your girlfriend is amazing.

5) AandF - thank you for the comments. Huge compliment coming from you. You looked great all natural, seriously. How the hell do you guys get that "folded over" thing going on on the sides? At the top of your legs. You have it in this picture, and the guy I posted has it too. Where the muscle is almost folded over. I would love to know your diet while you were doing this regimen. Im extremely apprehensive about juicing, but im becoming pretty disillusioned with the diet method too. Feel like ive tried everything, and ... sh*t im 33 yrs old ... ive been lagging on this for 13 years now ... ridiculous ... pretty soon i enter the deterioration years ... i figure now is the time to look my best. Anyways ... im going to need to get with you on what your diet was when this pic was taken. Ill give that a shot for sure and see what I can create from it.

6) Do I need a certain post count to view profiles? It says I don't have permission ...

-P-

**AandF6969** · 10-11-2007, 03:23 AM

To be honest man, you can fix a lot of things with your diet (doesn't sound like its very spot on) and you will see results quick. You can't just neglect carbs, thats why your muscles look flat right now, theres no glycogen to pump them up. And taking NO fat in every day is horrible for fat loss... your body knows how important fat is for brain function, hormone synthesis, etc... so if there is not an inflow of fat, it is going to hold on to every ounce it has onto you. Called the "famine" effect. You need to eat fat to lose fat... EFA's like peanut butter, flax seed oil, olive oil, etc.

The folded over a**ominals I think just comes from muscle maturity, and I think tons of ab exercises, but mainly squatting... keeping that area tight for a whole set with heavy weight.

Check out the "how to lean bulk" thread at the top of the diet forum... that will be your best resource. I don't think you need to "cut" right now, give it a couple months of lean bulking and see how things go. I think you'll be impressed, plus its easier to lose fat with a few extra lbs of muscle on your body. Metabolism goes thru the roof.

My diet during that cutting phase was the "how to cut" thread I believe... maybe some minor modifications but thats pretty much it. I'd recommend a lean bulk first for you though. Basically, to get the "hard" look that your buddy has, you're going to have to put on some more muscle, and then strip the fat off. I don't think you'll be happy with your size if you just cut right now.

**wascaptain5214** · 10-11-2007, 04:07 AM

like your screen name.

**EXCELLENCE** · 10-11-2007, 09:10 AM

ill tell you one thing aside from great genetics that body is from wei***ng youre foods i cant stress the importance enough if your just starting out and have questions about dieting Tom Venuto's burn fat feed the muscle E-book is priceless

**number twelve** · 10-11-2007, 10:48 AM

A&F is on the money here. im also glad to see you graduated from tight whities lol

**Priapism** · 10-11-2007, 12:29 PM

Yeah i was the picture of "coolness" back then, right on down to the tighty whities. And I was wondering when someone was going to comment on this Username! Glad you "got it" captain! haha...

**eacman65** · 10-11-2007, 01:55 PM

your transformation is awesome man you have come a long way. I really think yuo should stay natty for awhile. All this takes time there are no miracle drugs.

**number twelve** · 10-11-2007, 02:17 PM

lol i just looked up what your name meant

**takedownII** · 10-11-2007, 03:04 PM

first, good job on the hard work, it shows....

bro, your diet is HORRIBLE, fix that and you will see gains....no need to cycle yet...

the pic you posted of that guy is easily attainable, with good diet and a couple of years, you'll get there....you can DEFINITELY look like that naturally

**takedownII** · 10-11-2007, 03:05 PM

btw, what does you name mean....i'm curious now

**bpm1** · 10-11-2007, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by takedownII

btw, what does you name mean....i'm curious now

Priapism (Ancient Greek: πριαπισμός) is a potentially harmful medical condition in which the erect penis does not return to its flaccid state (despite the absence of both physical and psychological stimulation) within about four hours. It is often painful. Priapism is considered a medical emergency, which should receive proper treatment by a qualified medical practitioner.

The name comes from the Greek god Priapus, referring to the myth that he was ironically punished by the other gods for attempting to rape a goddess, by being given a huge (but useless) set of wooden genitals

**Lexed** · 10-11-2007, 03:40 PM

isnt it where you have 4 hour erections or more? Btw man sick transformation

**Priapism** · 10-12-2007, 12:21 AM

Yes, Priapism is the neverending boner. Awesome. You will see it on every Viagra and Cialis and ED (erectile dysfunction) commercial on TV. I tried getting it on my California license plate but they woudln't let me. Something about sexual innuendo. Was shooting for "PRIAPSM". How great would that have been?

I know my diet blows right now. I'm planning on putting together a food regimen tomorrow and getting rolling on it. For now im just eating the chicken breasts and doing a shake or two of the ISOPURE Non-Carb Protein drink. Its working, although I feel incredibly drained. Looking forward to getting onto something that wont make me fat, but will fuel me. I can't do the same weight I could even a week ago, but I look significantly better in the mirror.

Is cutting almost always synonymous with reduced strength? That's a question I've always wondered...

-P-

**manwitplans** · 10-12-2007, 06:54 AM

You got to have good genetics, your diet is crap, and you`ve gone from that sack of bones to the man of muscle, im jealous

Get diet down, and you will get much bigger in no time, for sure.

**AandF6969** · 10-12-2007, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Priapism

Is cutting almost always synonymous with reduced strength? That's a question I've always wondered...

Yes, but going on almost zero carbs will cause it to be much worse, and is very bad for muscle maintenance.

**Amorphic** · 10-12-2007, 01:08 PM

good job for natural gains

**Mjølner** · 10-12-2007, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by wascaptain5214

like your screen name.

haha, myself as well. I had one from taking Trazadone one night...had to go to the emergency room and get a shot in my junk. I had wood for like 7 hours...nothing would get rid of it.

Anyway, to the OP...great job. You are Ectomorphic...and as such, you won't be struggling with packing on fat with a bulking cycle like most of the posters here.

Your lifetime goal is, without a doubt, obtainable...don't give up.

**Priapism** · 10-14-2007, 01:58 PM

Hi guys. Okay a quick update. First a quick note to the guy immediately above about being an ectomorph. If you look at my before photos you'll see that even though I was about 6ft 140lbs there ... my stomach was still proportionally big. So I really do struggle with that area, even when I am bone thin. Even moreso when I am trying to build. Which brings me to my update...

Im struggling. Maybe its just that inbetween period. Ive been off Cytogainer for 2.5 weeks. Im slowly learning to build a proper diet. In that period of time however, the only thing that has happened, is that I have shrunk. Especially in my weakest area - the shoulders. On a positive note my stomach has also shrunk a bit, but right along with the shoulders/chest. Im shrinking. And Im working out exactly the same.

I am slowly reverting back to the "before" photos.

Now - understand - this is why I got on cytogainer in the first place. For 10 years I struggled with doing the solid food diet method. Nothing worked. I simply could not build size in my shoulders and chest. The more I ate, the bigger my stomach got instead. I had no strength. Always tired. Always got sick if I worked out hard.

I feel myself reverting back to that, and I have been pretty depressed this week. Constantly weak and tired. Sleeping 10 hours and still tired. My body in its natural state simply sucks. I am weak. Ridiculous. It seems the slimmer I get and the more fat I lose, the weaker I get, and the less weight I can push. Simultaneously, the smaller I get, even if I do manage to push the same weight. I almost feel like the creatine was the "magic ingredient" in cytogainer - which is total BS because its cosmetic, - not real muscle growth. Just water.

-P-

**AandF6969** · 10-14-2007, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Priapism

I feel myself reverting back to that, and I have been pretty depressed this week. Constantly weak and tired. Sleeping 10 hours and still tired. My body in its natural state simply sucks. I am weak. Ridiculous. It seems the slimmer I get and the more fat I lose, the weaker I get, and the less weight I can push. Simultaneously, the smaller I get, even if I do manage to push the same weight. I almost feel like the creatine was the "magic ingredient" in cytogainer - which is total BS because its cosmetic, - not real muscle growth. Just water.

-P-

Post up your diet you're following, maybe there are problems there.

**Priapism** · 10-14-2007, 03:59 PM

How can I explain this. Im slowly moving in to a proper diet, but every time I add carbs into the equation I get fat stores in the lower back / stomach. It doesn't go to the shoulders and chest, which I will have just worked out, hard. They are shrinking. So Im apprehensive about adding more carbs.

Maybe I should just shut up and shoot forward with it. But ive been creeping forward instead. I need to remind myself that the carbs i've been taking in over the last 2 yrs have been Papa Johns and Rubios. Now im taking (supposedly) "clean" carbs. I guess there is a difference.

So Diet right now (again im working my way into this):

Meal 1: Protein Shake 50g & 1/2 cup Steel Oats (Multivitamin, 2 Flax & 2 Fish Oil Capsules, 1000mg Vit C). Water, water, water.
Meal 2: Chicken Breast 50g & Greens ("O" organic ready to eat Baby Romaine)
Meal 3: (Pre-workout) Two scoops Cytogainer (hey, cut me some slack, its got 79g Carbs 55g Protein and a good combo of low DE Maltodextrose).
Meal 4: (Post-workout) Four scoops Cytogainer & Chicken Breast.
Meal 5: 5 or 6 eggs sunnyside up & water water water.
Meal 6: 50g Casein slow digestion Protein for overnight.

With this regimen ... my stomach feels bloated and my shoulders are shrinking. More carbs? Eh ...... hah. More meals? More meals = more carbs. Im already struggling to avoid the "Pear Shape" as it is ...

On non workout days, I dont do the cytogainer at all. Just around the workout, only.

-P-

**AandF6969** · 10-14-2007, 04:25 PM

Do you have a total protein/fat/carb count for your day? That would help a lot.

www.fitday.com

**Priapism** · 10-14-2007, 07:32 PM

I don't have any patience for sites like that one. They drive me insane. Nothing I search for is there. I was lucky after 20 mins to find some of the items. And its telling me between Chicken breasts and Boiled eggs that my fat percentage is 45% with 11% of that being Saturated Fat.

Interesting. Accurate? Hm.

What was your take on my diet listed in my last post?

-P-

**AandF6969** · 10-14-2007, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Priapism

I don't have any patience for sites like that one. They drive me insane. Nothing I search for is there. I was lucky after 20 mins to find some of the items. And its telling me between Chicken breasts and Boiled eggs that my fat percentage is 45% with 11% of that being Saturated Fat.

Interesting. Accurate? Hm.

What was your take on my diet listed in my last post?

-P-

Can't really tell... I have no idea protein/fat/carbs on Cytogainer and a few other things on there. It'd make it a lot easier to critique if you added everything up for the day. It takes time, but it will help you a ton in the long run.

You need to know how many calories youre taking in every day, bottom line.

Depending on how many eggs you're eating, it sounds like it could be accurate... eggs are pretty fatty, and a gram of fat has 9 calories whereas a gram of protein only has 4... hence the 45% of calories from fat.

**hunkunderconstruct** · 10-14-2007, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Priapism

Hi guys. Okay a quick update. First a quick note to the guy immediately above about being an ectomorph. If you look at my before photos you'll see that even though I was about 6ft 140lbs there ... my stomach was still proportionally big. So I really do struggle with that area, even when I am bone thin. Even moreso when I am trying to build. Which brings me to my update...

Im struggling. Maybe its just that inbetween period. Ive been off Cytogainer for 2.5 weeks. Im slowly learning to build a proper diet. In that period of time however, the only thing that has happened, is that I have shrunk. Especially in my weakest area - the shoulders. On a positive note my stomach has also shrunk a bit, but right along with the shoulders/chest. Im shrinking. And Im working out exactly the same.

I am slowly reverting back to the "before" photos.

Now - understand - this is why I got on cytogainer in the first place. For 10 years I struggled with doing the solid food diet method. Nothing worked. I simply could not build size in my shoulders and chest. The more I ate, the bigger my stomach got instead. I had no strength. Always tired. Always got sick if I worked out hard.

I feel myself reverting back to that, and I have been pretty depressed this week. Constantly weak and tired. Sleeping 10 hours and still tired. My body in its natural state simply sucks. I am weak. Ridiculous. It seems the slimmer I get and the more fat I lose, the weaker I get, and the less weight I can push. Simultaneously, the smaller I get, even if I do manage to push the same weight. I almost feel like the creatine was the "magic ingredient" in cytogainer - which is total BS because its cosmetic, - not real muscle growth. Just water.

-P-

I can relate to ur story ... since i take GNC Mega XXX shakes too (name of the product sounds like bucket of porn movies

)
heres my thread
http://forums.steroid.com/members-pictures/309692-20-pounds-natural-gain-3-half-months.html#post3566356
all my diet is posted on the thread too ...
I gained quite about 30 pounds in 6 months ... and got a bit of gut stickin out by June ... and then my girlfriend told me that i was gettin fatter ... so i dumped her ... and stopped havin my shakes and got reduced in size ... i lost 10 pounds in 1 month ... a whoppin fall in my muscle mass mostly since i cud tell ...
and then i started havin my shakes n ate more like before and gained back those 10 pounds lost within a month and a half ...
20 Pounds Natural Gain in 3 and Half Months ...
and i dont take creatine ...

**Priapism** · 10-15-2007, 01:34 AM

Why did you go back on the shakes?

The logic everyone here is giving me is that I can replace those high carb shakes with solid foods and not get fat ...

AandF - thank you for your continued input. Its really valuable to me. Here's a little more background for you. My typical diet leading up to those "after" pics was basically cytogainer 2 or 3 times a day, with taco bell or pizza hut at night once or twice a week, sometimes KFC ... and sometimes just subway - foot long with chips and soda. Seriously. That's the diet Ive been doing. Maybe a rubios burrito.

So I dump the gainer and all that extra crap it gives me. Thats good. And now im taking in protein and clean carbs. So this has got to be good for me.

On a side note, I have been significantly more sore than while on Cytogainer. Is that a good sign? That im actually working the muscle more, or that I am deficient in something which was there previously?

Last question - what do you suggest for a dinner on this regimen. By dinner time Ive had 1 or 2 chicken breasts, ive had my oats, Ive had a couple eggs ... and i find myself without anything to eat.

Thanks!

-P-