Starting Test Cyp And Fina Tomarrow Before Pics With Afters To Come

[BIGMAC250]

Im Starting My Test Cyp And Fina on monday..... I Figure Ide Post Some Pics I Just Took Today To Help Keep Track Of Everything....my Bf Is Pretty High But It Was Even Worse When I Did My First Cycle Of Fina And Test Im Talking Like 30-33% And I Got Down To Less Than What You See Here...except i was way more muscular.....this is what living out of a suitcase for 8 months does to you....lets See What Kind Of Transformation I Can Make In 10 Weeks With The Right Diet, Cardio, And Lifting Routine...i Plan On Packing A Few Lean Pounds on While Dropping Some Bodyfat...lets See What Happens.

6'1''
250lbs

dont know what my lifts are im really not worried about it, right now im more focused on getting my body looking right, but ide say when i was at my strongest my max bench was 365...i was doing shrugs with 405 for 4 set of 10-15...supersetting that with dumbell shrugs at 4 sets of 20 with the 110s...overhead tricep extensions with 110 for 3 or 4 sets of 10-12.....seated military press i was using 225 for 3 or 4 sets of 8-10....if i can get back to that i will be happy..if not as long as my body is looking right then i have done what i needed.

[BIGMAC250]

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[BIGMAC250]

The Last One

[dannyh11]

hope you have an ai sorted...looks like your a bit gyno prone.

[BIGMAC250]

yea i do......i havent had problems with gyno in the past and ive done this shit without an AI like an idiot when i was in high school with some dbol cause i didnt know any better......but my chest and my stomach are those spots that just pack on the chub.

[poundcake]

i feel your pain

[hauss man]

why don't you get your shit together before you start a cycle? your bf is very high and to be honest i wouldn't have guessed you ever touched a weight in your life. get a solid diet and get your training together for a while and then think about a cycle.

[BIGMAC250]

ive done this cycle in the past and had absolutly no problems with it...nothing but good results.....when i did this cycle the first time i went from 275 33% body fat to 246 at 16 or 17 % body fat......and that wasnt even with a good diet..or a lot of cardio....a lot of people use AS to get bigger than what they can do naturaly....right now im the opposite....its extremely hard for me to loose bodyfat..... keeping it off isnt the problem.....i am no where near the size i used to be...and thats even me being out of the gym for 8 months straight and eating like absolute shit.....yea granted im up to 21 22% bf.....but now ive got a good diet..i do cardio like a ****ing animal..i dont drink anymore and im starting off with way less bodyfat than i did the first time.....and the only difference is that im using cyp instead of prop....but a shit load of the water that will be retained can be prevented by using arimidex and just watching my diet...plus the fina drys you out too......look the only reason im even taking test is to basically counter act the fina dick....the plus sides of it are.....its ability to help BURN FAT and help add a little more muscle......but the main reason im taking the fina is because....hold on let me copy and paste this just so i dont forget anything..............Highly androgenic steroids are appreciated for the effects they have on strength as well as changing the estrogen/androgen ratio, thus REDUCING WATER AND UNDER THE SKIN. As if the report on trenbolone was not good enough, it gets better; Trenbolone is extraordinarily good as a FAT LOSS AGENT. One reason for this is its powerful effect on nutrient partitioning (9). It is a little known fact is that androgen receptors are found in fat cells as well as muscle cells(10), androgens act directly on the A.R in fat cells to affect fat burning.(11) the stronger the androgen binds to the A.R, the higher the lipolytic (fat burning) effect on adipose tissue (fat)(11). Since some steroids even increase the numbers of A.R in muscle and fat (11, 12) this fat loss effect would be amplified with the concurrent use of other compounds, such as testosterone......and on top of that i will be using clen as well.....ive been a big dude but a porker my whole life and i aint trying to deal with it anymore......i know what this cycle has done in my past and i damn sure know what it will do in my future......especially now that i have my diet together and i am more motivated than ive ever been......

[92whitelx]

Well keep us updated, like to see your progress

[BIGMAC250]

why don't you get your shit together before you start a cycle? your bf is very high and to be honest i wouldn't have guessed you ever touched a weight in your life. get a solid diet and get your training together for a while and then think about a cycle.

just watch.....im not gonna be shredded or anything but i will reach were i want to be at.....ive done this stack b4 and i know what it does to me...i just fell off for a while....as far as me not looking like i have even picked up a weight in my life....im gonna respect your opinion....but just so you know im in the gym 2 times a day busting my ass 6 days a week harder than 95% percent of the people in there.....and the other 5% are the people i train with....and thats why im doing this...for that reason right there......my diet is good and i damn sure do my cardio.....im just not seeing the results i want.... for as hard as i have been working.

Well keep us updated, like to see your progress

deff. will......im going to try and post pics every 2 weeks or so if i can get my hands on a camera.

[DSM4Life]

I have to agree with Hauss. IMO you are no where near ready for a cycle but its your choice. I don't want to jump to conclusions but i would have to say your diet is , lets say somewhat lacking. Care to post it ?

"dont know what my lifts are im really not worried about it,"
Why has it been so long since you last lifted that you can't recount your lifts ? I could personally tell you right off the top of my head each lift VS weight ratio.

I am not coming at you but trying to help you. Your going to get results off the cycle but once you come off your going to bounce right back where you start which is a waste of money.

[BIGMAC250]

I have to agree with Hauss. IMO you are no where near ready for a cycle but its your choice. I don't want to jump to conclusions but i would have to say your diet is , lets say somewhat lacking. Care to post it ?

"dont know what my lifts are im really not worried about it,"
Why has it been so long since you last lifted that you can't recount your lifts ? I could personally tell you right off the top of my head each lift VS weight ratio.

I am not coming at you but trying to help you. Your going to get results off the cycle but once you come off your going to bounce right back where you start which is a waste of money.

no problem posting the diet...here it is

meal 1: 6eggs(2whole) cooked with cooking spray either a cup of oatmeal or a whole wheat english muffin
meal 2: Isopure zero carb protien shake
meal 3: can or 2 of tuna with some lowfat cottage cheese and some salsa
meal 4: another isopure
meal 5: can or 2 of tuna,chicken,turkey,fresh fish, or some kind of lean red meat w/ a salad with olive oil and vinagar or some grilled or steamed veg (broccoli, asparagus, squash, etc) and maybe some low fat cottage cheese
meal 6: another isopure

i keep a log of what i eat through out the day to make sure i get enough of what i need and less of what i dont need......if im lacking in the protien area ill eat a chicken breast, grab a protien bar, grab a bag of beef jerky or even drink another shake.....im trying to keep my carbs to a minimum.....though out the week i will post exact #s

as far as my lifts go im not really to concerned about how strong i get.... right now cause i know it will come back fast(muscle memory is a beautiful thing) its just more of how im looking....i was out of the gym for about 8 months living out of a suitcase for work and i just got super weak and super soft and packed on a little bit of extra weight but here are some of them

bench press(dumbell) 3 or 4 sets of 10-12 w/80s
incline bench: 75s or 80s for 3 or 4 sets of 10-12
i dont do dead lifts but i am going to start
squats: 225 for 3 or 4 sets of 10-12

As far as the cycle goes i honestly dont see myself bouncing back.....the only reason why i packed on a few pounds, got weak and lost my muscularity from my last cycle was due to not training ans eating like shit.....all that was due to the fact that i was living out of a suitcase for 8 months and alls i did was work 12 hrs a day 6 or 7 days a week.....alls i had time to do was eat sleep and work......and even though lost it for a few months i am still better off than i was a year ago so i dont see my last cycle to be a failure just because of that reason...im finnally in a positon to where i can focus on certain things mainly myself.....alls im goin to be doin is focusing on school, focusing on getting my body where i want it and keeping there and working a part time job......there will be no failure or set backs this time....i am on a mission and im doing things at all costs to get there.

[DSM4Life]

no problem posting the diet...here it is

meal 1: 6eggs(2whole) cooked with cooking spray either a cup of oatmeal or a whole wheat english muffin
meal 2: Isopure zero carb protien shake
meal 3: can or 2 of tuna with some lowfat cottage cheese and some salsa
meal 4: another isopure
meal 5: can or 2 of tuna,chicken,turkey,fresh fish, or some kind of lean red meat w/ a salad with olive oil and vinagar or some grilled or steamed veg (broccoli, asparagus, squash, etc) and maybe some low fat cottage cheese
meal 6: another isopure

i keep a log of what i eat through out the day to make sure i get enough of what i need and less of what i dont need......if im lacking in the protien area ill eat a chicken breast, grab a protien bar, grab a bag of beef jerky or even drink another shake.....im trying to keep my carbs to a minimum.....though out the week i will post exact #s

as far as my lifts go im not really to concerned about how strong i get.... right now cause i know it will come back fast(muscle memory is a beautiful thing) its just more of how im looking....i was out of the gym for about 8 months living out of a suitcase for work and i just got super weak and super soft and packed on a little bit of extra weight but here are some of them

bench press(dumbell) 3 or 4 sets of 10-12 w/80s
incline bench: 75s or 80s for 3 or 4 sets of 10-12
i dont do dead lifts but i am going to start
squats: 225 for 3 or 4 sets of 10-12

As far as the cycle goes i honestly dont see myself bouncing back.....the only reason why i packed on a few pounds, got weak and lost my muscularity from my last cycle was due to not training ans eating like shit.....all that was due to the fact that i was living out of a suitcase for 8 months and alls i did was work 12 hrs a day 6 or 7 days a week.....alls i had time to do was eat sleep and work......and even though lost it for a few months i am still better off than i was a year ago so i dont see my last cycle to be a failure just because of that reason...im finnally in a positon to where i can focus on certain things mainly myself.....alls im goin to be doin is focusing on school, focusing on getting my body where i want it and keeping there and working a part time job......there will be no failure or set backs this time....i am on a mission and im doing things at all costs to get there.

1- 204 26 3 9.4
2- 220 50 3 1 - cottage 4oz 102 15 4 2
3- 179 39 0 1.3 (in water)
4- 220 50 3 1
5- ?
6- 220 50 3 1
Cal-pro-carb-fat
1145/ 230 / 16 / 15.7

So without your one real "meal" you are just over 1000cals which 600 of them are from shakes ! So you have roughly 500calories from real food and you call this a diet ? How do you even get out bed with only 16 calories a day? Listen man like i said your diet is off by a lot.

[BIGMAC250]

it comes out to way mor than that....like i said, ill post exact #s throughout the week

[hauss man]

1- 204 26 3 9.4
2- 220 50 3 1 - cottage 4oz 102 15 4 2
3- 179 39 0 1.3 (in water)
4- 220 50 3 1
5- ?
6- 220 50 3 1
Cal-pro-carb-fat
1145/ 230 / 16 / 15.7

So without your one real "meal" you are just over 1000cals which 600 of them are from shakes ! So you have roughly 500calories from real food and you call this a diet ? How do you even get out bed with only 16 calories a day? Listen man like i said your diet is off by a lot.

thats not his real diet.

[BIGMAC250]

no its not, that was just a simple example, but like i said..i will post actual #s at the end of each day. i keep a log of what i eat each day from what i actually eat to the things i cook shit with...everything gets recorded...so everyday you will see exactly what i eat.....if you see something wrong let me know what i need to change.....just keep in mind that i have the enomorph body type and if i get to many carbs i will def start to get fat......thats why i try and keep them as low as possible even though i know that they are needed.

[DSM4Life]

no problem posting the diet...here it is

meal 1: 6eggs(2whole) cooked with cooking spray either a cup of oatmeal or a whole wheat english muffin
meal 2: Isopure zero carb protien shake
meal 3: can or 2 of tuna with some lowfat cottage cheese and some salsa
meal 4: another isopure
meal 5: can or 2 of tuna,chicken,turkey,fresh fish, or some kind of lean red meat w/ a salad with olive oil and vinagar or some grilled or steamed veg (broccoli, asparagus, squash, etc) and maybe some low fat cottage cheese
meal 6: another isopure

i keep a log of what i eat through out the day to make sure i get enough of what i need and less of what i dont need......if im lacking in the protien area ill eat a chicken breast, grab a protien bar, grab a bag of beef jerky or even drink another shake.....im trying to keep my carbs to a minimum.....though out the week i will post exact #s

as far as my lifts go im not really to concerned about how strong i get.... right now cause i know it will come back fast(muscle memory is a beautiful thing) its just more of how im looking....i was out of the gym for about 8 months living out of a suitcase for work and i just got super weak and super soft and packed on a little bit of extra weight but here are some of them

bench press(dumbell) 3 or 4 sets of 10-12 w/80s
incline bench: 75s or 80s for 3 or 4 sets of 10-12
i dont do dead lifts but i am going to start
squats: 225 for 3 or 4 sets of 10-12

As far as the cycle goes i honestly dont see myself bouncing back.....the only reason why i packed on a few pounds, got weak and lost my muscularity from my last cycle was due to not training ans eating like shit.....all that was due to the fact that i was living out of a suitcase for 8 months and alls i did was work 12 hrs a day 6 or 7 days a week.....alls i had time to do was eat sleep and work......and even though lost it for a few months i am still better off than i was a year ago so i dont see my last cycle to be a failure just because of that reason...im finnally in a positon to where i can focus on certain things mainly myself.....alls im goin to be doin is focusing on school, focusing on getting my body where i want it and keeping there and working a part time job......there will be no failure or set backs this time....i am on a mission and im doing things at all costs to get there.

Am i missing something here ? I asked for diet and you said "here it is."


You should know your diet BEFORE you begin the cycle. You don't just make it up as you go along.

[BIGMAC250]

i was being very broad with it......just giving an example of it.....i do only eat three solid meals a day and drink 3 shakes...thats constant for now.....but i get a lot more from my actual food than what you think....thats why im goin to put up exact #s day by day...also the fina is made for feed efficancy... thats why it is a good drug on a reduced calorie diet.

[DSM4Life]

i was being very broad with it......just giving an example of it.....i do only eat three solid meals a day and drink 3 shakes...thats constant for now.....but i get a lot more from my actual food than what you think....thats why im goin to put up exact #s day by day...also the fina is made for feed efficancy... thats why it is a good drug on a reduced calorie diet.

Don't be broad , just post your diet.

3 meals and 3 shakes.


If you want anymore help post the actually diet up here or in the diet section for help.

later.

[BIGMAC250]

it varies a little different day by day.....i dont eat the same thing day in and day out, bugt check back in about 4 or 5 hrs i will be done at the gym for the second time and done eating as well......i will have exact #s for you

[BIGMAC250]

ok so here is everything that i ate today down to the T...its super strict now that i look at it.....i will admit that i have been focusing on my protien intake a lot and do need to bump up my calorie intake a little bit but in all honesty i feel absolutly fine.....so here it is

cal/pro/carbs/fat
meal 1: 6 eggs(2 whole) 260/36/2/9
whole wheat eng muffin 120/5/23/0
6 oz turkey breast(deli meat) 180/30/3/0
meal 2: isopure zero carb 210/50/0/.5
meal 3: 1 can tuna 140/30/0/1
1 cup fat free cottage cheese 80/24/8/0
4 table spoons salsa 30/1/3/0
meal 4: isopure 210/50/0/.5
meal 5: 6 oz chicken breast 280/52/0/6
3 egg whites 90/18/0/0
meal 6: isopure 210/50/0/.5



cal/pro/carbs/fat
food totals:1180/196/37/16
fluid totals:630/150/0/1.5
total:1810/346/37/17.5

other than the tren,test and clen im also taking:
hydroxycut hardcore(dont even know if it really works but i sweat a lot)
thermo CLA
bcaa's
ZMA
flaxseed oil
green tea extract
cranberry extract
arganine
and B-12

did a.m cardio this morning for 30 mins kept my heart rate at 130-138

worked out bi's and tri's
BI's
did 2 warm up sets of 15 with 65pounds on the straight bar
4 sets of 10-12 with 115 on the straight bar
dumbell preacher curls with 25 pounds 12-15 reps
seated dumbell curls 4 sets of 10-12 with 35pounds 4th set was a dropsetw/25s
rope hammer curls for 4 sets of 15-20 with 60pounds

TRI's
overhead dumbell extentions for 4 sets of ten with 85 pounds
rope press downs for 4 sets of 12 w/60pounds
and 3 sets of dips till failure

then more cardio for 30 mins heart rate stayed around 135 and 140 (the clen is in me know)

also weighed in at 251 this mornin

[hdrider135]

dont have so many protein shakes. have real meals and bigger ones

[BIGMAC250]

im just worried about getting to many carbs....i mean i can obviously afford some seeing as how i only consumed 37 grams....im either goin to add another actual meal or like you said just eat more when i do eat or i can do both. either way i need to get a few more calories and a few more carbs. im just trying to get as much weight off of me as possible before i actually start going to my culinary classes.....this way alls i have to do is maintain.

[hdrider135]

what you need to do is cardio. if you want to maintain muscle then your going to have to consume a substantial amount of carbs, just not as many as you would during a bulking phase, maybe half. cardio is key tho. it aint hard man and its completely worth it

[BIGMAC250]

thats one thing i do plenty of is cardio....i do my a.m cardio for 30 mins then i go back again and hit the weights hard....medium to heavy weight with very little rest between sets then i do more cardio for 30 mins after that....i pretty much do cardio 10 to 12 times a week...as far as the weight coming its a little difficult for me....i have the endomorph body type..... i think i get it from my mom cause she has done every diet you can think of and is in the gym everyday and she dont lose a pound and she does her damndest to do so...

[hdrider135]

i have the same problem i put on fat easily and its harder for me to put on muscle, but then once i started doin cardio and perfected my diet i dropped 30 or 40 pounds in a month or 2. my diet is extremely strict now. i dont cheat at all and dont eat any unnessessary foods and no snacks. im in the best shape ive ever been in. you just gotta perfect your diet and do medium intensity cardio, especially with the aid or a steroid the weight will come off easily

[BIGMAC250]

true that man.....thats a big reason why im doing this cycle...i have done it in the past and had awesome results with it....the first time i did it i was 275 33% bf i got down to 246 at 16 or 17% bf.....and i wasnt really paying attention to my diet and i really wasnt doing cardio....the only reason i put on a few extra pounds and got weak and lost my muscularity was because i was on the road working 6 or 7 days a week eating like shit no lifting or anythin....it sucked even though that happened i still aint near as large as i used to be.... im at 251 with about 20-22% body fat...so eventhough i ****ed up and lost control for a little while i still dont see my last cycle as a failure.....im just curious to see what the outcome is going to be with my diet being in check and me doing cardio now...especially that i have 10% less body fat than the last time i did it

[DSM4Life]

You dont want to take in more meals because you are so worried about carbs but you are eating "whole wheat eng muffin's?"

You need carbs and from better sources: Oatmeal, brown rice, yams etc.

[DSM4Life]

double post

[BIGMAC250]

well thats just one of the things ill eat in the mornin ....i eat oat meal too in the morning....ill also eat brown rice, a baked potato, some pasta, etc

[FrankieJJ23]

yea i do......i havent had problems with gyno in the past and ive done this shit without an AI like an idiot when i was in high school with some dbol cause i didnt know any better......but my chest and my stomach are those spots that just pack on the chub.

im doing a very similar cycle just prop and tren-a. You should have letro def on hand. I am gyno prone and been taking .25 ed to keep everything in check. I didn't take it for a couple of days to see how my body would react and bam nipples started being really senstive. Best bet is have your letro on hand, mine aren't as bad as yours but i relate to the fact about where the fat contains itself. Also the hydroxy isn't going to do shit with clen, i was taking clen and have hydroxy its a waste of money while on clen. You will just be really hot and anixious (not worth it) I would throw some winny in the cycle towards the end to tighten up IMO since im also throwing it in. be good.

[BIGMAC250]

i did prop and tren my first time.....i wanted to do it again but i couldent get my hands on it and alls i could get was the cyp....i had bought the hydroxycut a while ago and had the clen on hand from a few months back...i also have arimidex ,nolvadex, and clomid on hand already as well......so u think i should get some letro instead of using the arimidex.

[FrankieJJ23]

depends on you personally, i just like the stats on letro better then arimidex, you read c-binos theard on letro and gyno?

[BIGMAC250]

no imgonna go check it out though

[BIGMAC250]

ok so here is everything i have eaten or will drink b4 the end of the day...for some reason the #s seem really high though if you guys think other wise please let me know cause something dont seem right.

cal/pro/carb/fat

meal1: 4 eggs(2 whole) 200/24/1/9
1/2c oatmeal 320/8/66/4
6oz turkey 180/30/3/0
meal2: isopure 210/50/0/.5
meal3: 1 can tuna 140/30/0/2
1 tbsp mayo(didnt have any fat free cottage) 90/0/0/10
2 slices whole wheat bread 100/8/36/3
2 hb egg whites 60/12/0/0
meal4: isopure ""
meal5: 9oz chicken 420/78/0/9
1c broccoli 25/3/5/1
12 spears of asparagus 45/6/9/0
6oz pasta 165/7/46/-
meal6:isopure ""

cal/pro/carb/fat

food totals:1745/206/166/38
fluid totals:630/150/0/1.5
total intake:2375/356/166/39.5

[bigt10]

you need to diet properly. did he say he is 16 % on those pics. i doubt it look at his lower back he has way more fat be 16 % in those pics.

[bigt10]

lol is it me why do people always post their max bench etc i dont see what it has to do with bodybuilding.

I dont think your 16 but perhaps mid to low 20's.

k actually sorry i got that new thread.

Get a accurate bodyfat test done with good calipers then eat calories according to your lean mass.

whatis your training program like?

um i havent read the whole thread buy cyp and fina i would go prop if oyu can less water.

Personally you need more muscle to get that cut look i would eat more calories. you arent going to get to fat on tren. i would go 2500 + to 3000 cals youll get a nice lean bulk. maybe add winstrol last 5 weeks and then take cals back bit.

I wouldn't eat that low unless i had a competition very shortly. its hard to build any muscle like that. also how many cycles have you done? and your age . if you want to look more cut you gotta add muscle thats why i think eating so little while using tren is a waste and your not competiting so you want to add some muscle. just my opinoin sorry if i missed anything post your training program up like your split.

[BIGMAC250]

no i didnt say 16 in these pics i was talking about when i got off of my last cycle ...when i move and gwet my scanner hooked up ill put the pick of me up when i got off the last one.....im like 20-22% now.....the first day i recored on here i was at a little over 1800 cals with 346g or pro and so on ypu can look and see....i adjusted it a lil bit....now im up to 2300 cals 356g pro 166 g carbs and 40g of fat........ but i think im going to drop the cals and carbs and fat just very little bit...but i was told that was fine so im probable gonna stick with close to those #s and see wht happens.


i do A.M. cardio 5 or 6 days a week
my weight training is fairley heavy weight with shrt rest periods most of the time....ill switch it up depending on how im feeling then when i get done with the wieghts its back on the treadmill for 30 more mins of cardio and thats 5 or 6 days a weeks as well.

im posting everything as i go...if yall think something needs to change i am open for suggestions...im bout to go to the gym ill post some more when i get home.

[DSM4Life]

no i didnt say 16 in these pics i was talking about when i got off of my last cycle ...when i move and gwet my scanner hooked up ill put the pick of me up when i got off the last one.....im like 20-22% now.....the first day i recored on here i was at a little over 1800 cals with 346g or pro and so on ypu can look and see....i adjusted it a lil bit....now im up to 2300 cals 356g pro 166 g carbs and 40g of fat........ but i think im going to drop the cals and carbs and fat just very little bit...but i was told that was fine so im probable gonna stick with close to those #s and see wht happens.


i do A.M. cardio 5 or 6 days a week
my weight training is fairley heavy weight with shrt rest periods most of the time....ill switch it up depending on how im feeling then when i get done with the wieghts its back on the treadmill for 30 more mins of cardio and thats 5 or 6 days a weeks as well.

im posting everything as i go...if yall think something needs to change i am open for suggestions...im bout to go to the gym ill post some more when i get home.

Your diet.

And on that note. Good luck, i am tired of repeating myself.

[WEBB]

Your diet.

And on that note. Good luck, i am tired of repeating myself.

just reading this thread made me tired of hearing you say the same thing over and over....and your 110% right too...