progress

**danny101** · 01-17-2009, 02:05 AM

me in october 07 and again in october 08 after a 6-8 wk cycle was 8 wk but for last 2 wk didnt have many shots gained around 14kg-20kg all together
me3 is b4
me2 is after

can you guys see a difference

**XD40** · 01-17-2009, 02:09 AM

there is no "me4" only "me2" & "me3"

**danny101** · 01-17-2009, 02:12 AM

my mistake what you think any good? cheers

**XD40** · 01-17-2009, 02:13 AM

looks the exact same to be bro..

**Rockin Z28** · 01-17-2009, 02:16 AM

i actually think you look smaller in the after?

**XD40** · 01-17-2009, 02:18 AM

its hard to judge when u have a shirt on in one pic and not in the other

**danny101** · 01-17-2009, 02:19 AM

cheers i can tell alot of difference but only from original pics but have overwriten them on laptop lol starting my 2nd cycle in 2 wk so will upload some naked before and afters then

**XD40** · 01-17-2009, 02:20 AM

good luck

**RAILroad** · 01-17-2009, 02:29 AM

you are nowehre close to even be thinking about cycling man. no disrespect its just watching out for you. when you do hit the juice you want top results and what you are gonna get is what you could get with another year of working your tail off in the gym. i would think about it a bit man....

**0tolerance** · 01-17-2009, 02:36 AM

i just think that you have to eat tonnes of food... like atleast 600 grams of food per meal 6 times a day.. otherwise u cant expect to gain any weight.

**RAILroad** · 01-17-2009, 02:50 AM

start a diet thread and let all the "big dogs" here help you out an dpoint you in the right direction. in no way do you need to touch the juice. do just what 0tolerance said....EAT

**danny101** · 01-17-2009, 03:14 AM

all due respect all my family is small alot smaller than me height wise and not as toned or muscley small genes. i havent been able to break the 70kg mark so far ive put on maybe 5kg-7kg since the pic in red top and my diet consists of:

6am porridge oats
4pm chicken or fish with pasta and potatoes
10pm pasta with sauce 1 tin of tuna
1amsandwhich and/or snack 3 rice cakes
3am baked potatoe tuna and cheese

snacking inbetween and get in at least 2 shakes of mammoth 2500. eat around 6 meals in 24h trying to achieve 5000-6000kcal daily i used a diet website recomended on here to get the best suited plan.

i also train at home on a multigym doin thighs/calfs bench press deadlift squat use dumbells and barbell ect only 15-30 min cardio eod

had 1 cycle already last year but was ill advised would i be stupid to do another? thanks for your input and concern

**RAILroad** · 01-17-2009, 03:21 AM

most definately you should not think about cycling. you hae tons of growing to do. start lifting heavy and eating. you need to push yourself...figure out how bad you want it ya know? you need to stick to a bulking diet for a couple months and see where you end up. if i were you i would lay off on the 2500 shakes. eat real food---
carbs-oats, brown rice, sweet potato, red potatoes, yams,WW bread, green fiberous veggies
protein-tilapia, tuna, chicken breast, lean steak,salmon
i also think you need to get your fats. natural peanut butter is a great source of EFA ( essential fatty acids) as is fish oil, flax oil, olive oil

**danny101** · 01-17-2009, 03:28 AM

your advice is spot on bud but my diet is fairly good not perfect but decent ive been eating 6 medium meals daily and 2 shakes of weight gain since i 1st cycled last summer also training is good low sets low reps big weights so your struggling your ass off lol. there has been some improvement but only little i havent grown much in the last 4 years am i stuborn or just missin the point cheers mate.

***FireGuy*** · 01-17-2009, 10:22 AM

If you are going to do before and after pics you really need the shirt off in the befores as well as the afters.

**danny101** · 01-18-2009, 12:37 AM

yep no problem startin a deca & test prop cycle in 2 wks guna tweek my diet b4 i start also upping my training as im doin it to gain mass/muscle people on here have said go for it and some have said don't touch gear my before/after pics this time will be better shot i also i am doing pct this time as my 1st cycle was a disaster with hard work dedication etc i can show people im not wasting my time or money cheers guys

**amcon** · 01-18-2009, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by danny101

your advice is spot on bud but my diet is fairly good not perfect but decent ive been eating 6 medium meals daily and 2 shakes of weight gain since i 1st cycled last summer also training is good low sets low reps big weights so your struggling your ass off lol. there has been some improvement but only little i havent grown much in the last 4 years am i stuborn or just missin the point cheers mate.

fyi the pics are uncompairable - shirt on shirt off - your shoulder width looks similar and your forarms look similar...

as for juicing up... bro trust me your going to do what you want... however if you want it right you will see just about the same results(imo) as if you had a good diet... you need some read meat, some food as well, rice cakes? no way you are way to lean to worry about rice cakes... you maybe stuborn or just missing it - but you came to the right place for the real smart guys to give advice...

*eat - some how add 500- 600 cals a day at the end of 4 weeks re-evailuate your intake ad another 500 - 600 cals a day again till you start to see weight pack on (get some red animal meat in you, dont be afraid some good fats, and carbs too...)

*(take this the right way) post your work out so it can be "looked" at and you can take some ideas back to the gym

*as for the gear - get the first two right and you will ad 10 lbs of lean hard mass if it is done right - then if you must gear up - but you may not cause you'll be so happy with the results

zip zip

**danny101** · 01-18-2009, 01:18 AM

thankx for your advice bud ive got my training sorted have thrown in some new exercises to my routine defineatly going on juice but what i am gonna do is transform my diet gunna do some more research and come up with a good weeky diet plan as in previous post i am gunna prove people wrong as my new before/after pics will show iv done a good job cheers bud all advice is much apprciated :-)

**GT2** · 01-18-2009, 01:38 AM

dear god...eat something before you break.

As for juice, that is the LAST thing you need.

**legobricks** · 01-18-2009, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by danny101

all due respect all my family is small alot smaller than me height wise and not as toned or muscley small genes. i havent been able to break the 70kg mark so far ive put on maybe 5kg-7kg since the pic in red top and my diet consists of:

6am porridge oats
4pm chicken or fish with pasta and potatoes
10pm pasta with sauce 1 tin of tuna
1amsandwhich and/or snack 3 rice cakes
3am baked potatoe tuna and cheese

snacking inbetween and get in at least 2 shakes of mammoth 2500. eat around 6 meals in 24h trying to achieve 5000-6000kcal daily i used a diet website recomended on here to get the best suited plan.

i also train at home on a multigym doin thighs/calfs bench press deadlift squat use dumbells and barbell ect only 15-30 min cardio eod

had 1 cycle already last year but was ill advised would i be stupid to do another? thanks for your input and concern

Im suprised that nobody touched on this.....

And by this i mean, not how many cals you get in a meal from proteins/fat/carbs, im talking about the timing of eating. Look at the bolded comments in the quote above and then tell me that this diet is "good, not perfect, but decent."? Serious? Why are you trying to eat only 6 meals in a 24hour period? spacing food s out from 6am - 4pm is not good....im guessing your sleeping tho. So you should switch your foods up, proteins and carbs while your awake for the first 5 meals, last meal before sleep protein fats, then while your sleeping if your ambitious enough have a protein/fat meal. Ditch the shakes and get real whole food.

**danny101** · 01-18-2009, 02:49 AM

work nights my body clock is opposite to every1 elses sleep 8am-4pm if iv got my daughter i sleep 12noon-6pm like i say gunna rethink my whole diet thanks for your input

**legobricks** · 01-18-2009, 03:06 AM

Do rethink your diet.

If you think your sleeping schedule is off, try working 2 jobs and each job hours varying from night or day, or 12 hours to 8 hour shifts every week. I still make time for the gym, and still get my proper 6-8 meals per day. It can be be done and if you really want to grow you need to get your foods in during the day time and sleep at night, or sleep during the day and get your foods in at night. ITs clear tho that your not eating near enough, the shakes your body cannot absorb so much so your body has all this readily available proteins, carbs and fats and ends up shitting most out. Whole food is the best supplement and you WILL make gains with a proper diet specific to growing.

**danny101** · 01-19-2009, 03:14 AM

cheers bud mite get another job credit crunch n all that, i wasn't moaning just stating as i miss read previous comment, i can handle 7-8 meals n 2 shakes a day as before i wad doing 4 shakes n 6 meals but as you say shitting it out so that soon stopped i do have time for gym if u wanna do something you make time all ill be doing from next week is eating training sleeping same again i until iv reached my goals thanks to you all for your help and advice ill keep you posted on my progress thanks again danny

**jcallesano** · 02-12-2009, 04:03 PM

what did you even cycle ???

**Randall6** · 02-12-2009, 04:53 PM

wow... your a small guy./..

you know how I got out of the small stage?

I started eating 40 pounds of steak a month, 10 pounds of chicken & 3lbs of rice...
that should jump start ya with all the original vitamins... & whey after workouts..

goodluck!

**danny101** · 02-18-2009, 01:58 PM

i certainly am good sir thanks to everyones advice on here and plenty of research ive completely changed my diet all is well currently on a deca n test prop cycle halfway through week 3 put on 15 pounds so far so all is good