These are the pics of before and after the oral tren cycle. Please remember, these before pucs are actually pics from a couple months ago before I hurt my shoulder and was still actually training. I actually looked worse than this 6 weeks ago when I started so The after is even more dramatic than the pics show. Before is around 260# and the after is 220# **You can see the the blowout in my shoulder in the most muscular pose in the after pic! (my right shoulder will be on the left in the photo!) As you can see the clavicle is not where it should be and that is why I can not lift hard or heavy anymore! As I said, keep in mind, I was in a lot worse shape 8 weeks ago than these b4 pics show! I had a much larger belly and less muscle tone cause I was unable to train for a month after my shoulder injury! Also remember... some of my cuts and vascularity went aaway since I stopped the oral tren I was actually a bit more cut while on and I am obviously holding some water/sodium even now.