Is this guy natty or not

**Tough92** · 02-19-2011, 05:12 PM

Ok whats your take on this guy,If you havent heard of him his name is JOSEF RAKICH.He says hes 100% natty and even swears on his mothers life.

I dont know him personally but i call a load of BULLSHIT.Most people say oh hes only 170 pounds so he gotta be natty not true.Maybe he dosent want a lot of mass and just low bf%

Anyway here are his stats/pics let me know what you guys think

Age-20
Weight-170
height-5'10

Originally Posted by JOSEF RAKICH

2008

Early 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uu9j...layer_embedded

Mid-Late 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcK1G...layer_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC9fH...layer_embedded

Early 2011

Coming soon. Just started a mini cut, going to get BEYOND shredded.

Oh and from my knowledge he has YET to post pics from 2009.SO he has pics from 2008 & 2010 but forgot to take progress pics in 09?

***D7M*** · 02-19-2011, 05:27 PM

I don't know if he's natty or not, but the first pic looks like he's 13 yrs old.

**bruary17** · 02-19-2011, 05:31 PM

that could be attained all natural....i'm not homosexual but that is one sexy bitch...looks like a young richard gere

**LatissimusaurousRex** · 02-19-2011, 05:42 PM

he prob just did P90x thats all

**Tough92** · 02-19-2011, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by D7M

I don't know if he's natty or not, but the first pic looks like he's 13 yrs old.

lol hes 20

Originally Posted by bruary17

that could be attained all natural....i'm not homosexual but that is one sexy bitch...looks like a young richard gere

In 2 years while keeping single digit bf%...For some reason i dont believe that for a second

**dec11** · 02-19-2011, 06:48 PM

def not

**warlord_wang** · 02-19-2011, 09:15 PM

So what if he is juicing I give him props. People act like if you take steroids your magically going to gain muscle & shed fat. He was in the gym busting his ass & dieting properly

**SlimJoe** · 02-19-2011, 10:39 PM

Nah don't look it

**chi** · 02-19-2011, 10:43 PM

not natty but hell of a job dude must have the ladies lined out the door.

**Noles12** · 02-19-2011, 10:43 PM

Assuming the before picture is dated right most likely not. From the looks of it though the before picture looks closer to around 5 years or so ago and i do think that transformation is possible in that time frame naturally

**boz** · 02-20-2011, 02:14 AM

Wow when on pct and looking at these pics, it really does depress u more ahha.

Top job he has done though with himself, and imo def not natty.

**bodybuilder** · 02-20-2011, 02:24 AM

Natty probably not but who cares even if he did juice the dude has been putting some serious time at the gym.

**Gucks** · 02-20-2011, 06:22 AM

only 170? doubt it! im 174 atm, wht i wuld give to look like this guy. without doubt he cycled at some stage!

**MR-FQ320** · 02-20-2011, 07:51 AM

without face pics I doubt its the same guy, if he is natty posting face pics aint a PROBLEM.

**thewarrior8845** · 02-20-2011, 11:10 AM

thats a crazy transformation. i think its possible if you knew what you were doing from day one. think about it, if you had all the knowledge about diet and training as you do now, gains would have come much quicker in the beginning. when most people start training they dont know what the hell they're doing. this guy could of had someone helping him.

**Tough92** · 02-20-2011, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by thewarrior8845

thats a crazy transformation. i think its possible if you knew what you were doing from day one. think about it, if you had all the knowledge about diet and training as you do now, gains would have come much quicker in the beginning. when most people start training they dont know what the hell they're doing. this guy could of had someone helping him.

even if he had all the knowledge in the world i don't think that's possible in 2yrs.He went from looking like a twig to a muscler physique with what looks like a 5-8 bf%.Now way he stayed that lean all year around

Again not hating,obviously idc if you use gear but to go around claiming natty,Saying he swears on his mothers life that's hes natty just to convince ppl he is thats ridiculous

**Standby** · 02-20-2011, 01:12 PM

looks likw him and zyzz be best friends

**Polska** · 02-26-2011, 05:54 PM

I am going to play devil's advocate and say it's possible he did that naturally. If he had proper guidance with diet/training why not? He's not very big just very lean.. for an ectomorph that's not outside of the realm of possibility.

***t-gunz*** · 02-26-2011, 06:01 PM

personally i dont care if he does or not. you can tell he put in 100% regardless of gear.

hes got a mad physic

**MasterKevin** · 02-27-2011, 01:29 AM

Yeh what I would do for a physic like that haha

**Tigershark** · 02-27-2011, 03:02 AM

With hard work and dedication it could happen.

**number twelve** · 02-27-2011, 09:27 AM

i completely think its possible he is natural. i have a friend with the same body type that looks the same way that made the same transformation. if he was benching 400 lbs too then maybe something is up

**number twelve** · 02-27-2011, 09:31 AM

dude i dont think that is an indication. i went from 110 to 165 naturally between my 14-17th birthdays. that first picture looks like a prepubescent boy. same situation

**gbrice75** · 02-27-2011, 12:03 PM

IDK about the 2 year span or if the early pics are even the same guy (like D7M said, he looks like a little kid), but the build itself is definitely attainable all natty... it's not like he's HUGE or anything. Not putting him down either, i'd give my left nut to look like that. Just sayin...

**38jumper38** · 02-27-2011, 07:23 PM

just give the recipe, I'll try.

**thesituation** · 02-27-2011, 09:39 PM

if he was, give me the cycle info hah

**BgMc31** · 02-27-2011, 11:08 PM

I think he's natty. His physique isn't freakishly muscular. I see body types like that all the time with the college and pro athletes I deal with.

**Gucks** · 02-28-2011, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31

I think he's natty. His physique isn't freakishly muscular. I see body types like that all the time with the college and pro athletes I deal with.

agreed, he wont win any pro competitions like that but from where he started to where he finished in that time span is seems a bit unbelievable to me. i couldnt do it anyway.

**senorsalt** · 04-05-2011, 12:05 PM

doesnt look it to me... BUT none the less hell of a job. still have to work hard to get anywhere. cant take a bottle of dbol and hit homers like bonds. gotta work at it regardless.

**vishus** · 04-05-2011, 02:40 PM

pics dont seem, to be in line. looks like this transformation took a lot longer than 2 years IMO.

**dec11** · 04-05-2011, 06:50 PM

no way in hell did he go from those skin and bone top pics to below pics in 2yrs natty, just no chance. thats even if its the same person in the pics

**Reed** · 04-05-2011, 07:06 PM

A lot of times guys buy "test boosters" at local supplement shops that are actual steroids like superdrol, epistane, and even 3 oral steroids in one bottle. Thing is no one realizes

these "test boosters' are actually more powerful than testosterone , deca , dbol , eq, and a few others. Some knowingly and some unknowingly too. Scary IMO that these powerful

hormones are available so easy to high school students. Some directions on the 3 oral stacks say take for 8 weeks, stop for 2 weeks then you can continue.... deadly

**arizona32** · 04-23-2011, 09:11 PM

Is it possible that he is natural and looks like that? YES. Is it likely that only 2 years occured for that physical transformation, very unlikely. The only guys I know who look like that naturally have always been lean and muscular without much effort or have been lifelong athletes or both. Never seen a "skinny dork type" make that kind of progress in 2 years. Even with AAS that would be a hell of a transformation.

**sanman** · 04-26-2011, 03:06 PM

I seen this debate on the other forum I am on.Alot of people on their doubt he is natty but like alot on this sight said he still has to bust his ass in the gym to see results like this.Whether he is natty or not he did do a great job with his body.

**sustayne** · 04-27-2011, 04:50 PM

he could very well be natural.

He's 20 now and those original photos are reported to be from 2007. Considering his age and physical development stage, it would make sense.

Here is a better series of photots.

http://www.simplyshredded.com/josef-...interview.html

**Kesthetics** · 04-27-2011, 05:19 PM

He definitely could be natty just like zyzz.
I believe a 2 year time frame with a solid workout routine and diet can achieve those results.
He's naturally an ectomorph/hard gainer so he can easily retain low %bf.

**fif** · 05-05-2011, 08:00 PM

imo josef rakich is not natty. he's naturally a small dude judging by his 'before' pics, so i bet he gains muscle really slowly. even with great diet and nutrition you cannot attain that physique in TWO YEARS... four years sounds a lot more believable.

Originally Posted by Kesthetics

He definitely could be natty just like zyzz.

LOL!

**Jean Claude** · 12-05-2011, 03:20 PM

Wow at the amount of *idiots* on here that think this guy is natty. Yeah and Zyzz was natty too and now he's dead, and his brother got caught with a shitload of steroids . The only people who should even have an opinion on this matter are those who have trained for over 5 years, consistently. If you started training a year ago and think you can attain this physique in 2 years without help, you are severely delusional and need electric-shock therapy. Seriously.

**dec11** · 12-05-2011, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Jean Claude

Wow at the amount of *idiots* on here that think this guy is natty. Yeah and Zyzz was natty too and now he's dead, and his brother got caught with a shitload of steroids. The only people who should even have an opinion on this matter are those who have trained for over 5 years, consistently. If you started training a year ago and think you can attain this physique in 2 years without help, you are severely delusional and need electric-shock therapy. Seriously.

errr, epic bump there Van Damme lol