Progress shots. Time to hit that first cycle?

[Antone000]

Ive been doing this for a while now. Hittin it hard for a solid year to year and a half though. Dropped down from 210lbs with 25% bf to 180lbs 8% bf naturally.
That being said i know my stuff about diet and training.
Ive posted once before but didnt state my age because i didnt want to get bombarded with all the "your too young u idiot" etc lol

Stats: 19 turning 20 in 4 months
180lbs approx 8% bf
Diet very clean
5'11

Im very keen on 500mg test e for 10 weeks. Will it give me much water retention if my diet is still very clean? Please give me constructive critisim n none of the 'your a idiot' bs. Thank you

[gbrice75]

I'm not gonna get into advising on the gear, because IMO you are too young and furthermore you look like you can do a lot more naturally. But you've made it clear you don't want to hear that kind of feedback, so i'm digressing...

But tell me one thing - that middle pic, the back shot - is that really you/the same as the other 2 shots? Looks like a completely different build. Sick back though!

[dec11]

I'm not gonna get into advising on the gear, because IMO you are too young and furthermore you look like you can do a lot more naturally. But you've made it clear you don't want to hear that kind of feedback, so i'm digressing...

But tell me one thing - that middle pic, the back shot - is that really you/the same as the other 2 shots? Looks like a completely different build. Sick back though!

x2, pic number 1 isnt the same person for def

[gearbox]

ya why two or three different pics...

[slfmade]

So you want to us to tell you "go for it everything will be okay"??? Sorry, I'm gonna say it anyway. You're endocrine system is still developing at your age and you're gonna mess yourself up for the rest of your life. No knowledgeable member on here is going to condone aas at your age.

[Antone000]

its me why would i post a pic of someone else? after a solid day of deadlifts brother. They were taken months apart.

[Times Roman]

not to be disrespectful, but to me, the first pic has a whole different shoulder composition. but if months apart, that could be the reason why.

anyways, I'm in agreement with the rest. Not going to blast you. But not comfortable with encouraging you either.

Welcome to the board mate!

---Roman

[Antone000]

Zoom in brothers u can see my chest tattoo in the first and third pic. ill send the full photos if u want with the headshots. anyway i just wanted to know that at 19 hitting a plateu after a solid year of 2 of strict diet and training is 250mg test e for 10 weeks really that bad?

[gearbox]

if you are going to shut your system down, i would up the mg to like 400...but I would not do aas at 19..long term effects can happen..yes from just 250mg of test....have you tried getting in more calories in your diet since you hit this plateau...

[Antone000]

Yeah bro ive tried bumping up the calories, switching up my exercises and everything. Just seems impossible to bust through. Thats why ive considered AAS. What else do you's reccommend to bust through this plateu?

[dec11]

Zoom in brothers u can see my chest tattoo in the first and third pic. ill send the full photos if u want with the headshots. anyway i just wanted to know that at 19 hitting a plateu after a solid year of 2 of strict diet and training is 250mg test e for 10 weeks really that bad?

home come in the first ppic your torso is straight up and down and in the others you've a dramatic v taper?

at being at the limit at 19yrs old is just BS. i gained natty all the way from 16 to 31

[nik1603]

home come in the first ppic your torso is straight up and down and in the others you've a dramatic v taper?31

maybe he was doing a lat spread like we do when we are 'relaxing' between poses on stage

[nik1603]

I agree with the others, u dont hit plateaus at 19. Try taking a week off any type o training then hitting it really hard for a good 8 weeks. Change up ur weekly program, e.g. Start training chest and bis together if u didnt before. How many reps are u usually doing during compound movements? Between 8-12 or between 4-6. I its higher then up the weight and do fewer reps. If its lower, down the weight and up the reps. Also how slow are ur reps? Have u tries halving ur weights on everything and taking 6 seconds to complete one repition on any exercise? Obviously this style of training is weird and 'unpleasant' but it will snap u straight out of a plateau. All u gotta do, is do something totally different to what ur doing now and it will change ur body. U say ur diet is 'clean' are u getting 6 WHOLE meals a day? With shakes on top of that after training?

[gearbox]

need to eat...when gaining do not worry about a little excess bf that should come from good fat and carbs of course

[Homer 8]

Great advice from the lads up above, plents of options available to you, you look very lean dude, get a lot more clean calories in, like gearbox said a little excess bf u won't even notice dude..

Best of luck bro.

[Antone000]

Just like he said i was doing a lat spread lol **** mate do half u people know how to pose. Like i said it doesnt bother me ill post the same pics up again with the headshots. Anyway not hear to convice use that its me but thank you to the people that gave me advice on how to break through this plateu.

[OnTheSauce]

I would try a different training program. Do you lift for strength? What kind of plateu are we talking about? Like you can't get stronger or can't gain any more muscle?

[Antone000]

Yeah bro i do heavy compound exercises in the start of every workout then isolations. Strength is good for my weight. Im not doing it for all out mass. Ive been thinking primo with a low dose of test e (250mg)

[Antone000]

And heres some more photos for the brothers that dont believe it was me

[Ishallnocheatmyself]

chest could get some more natural mass probably , try new routines see if you dont see some more growth, Keep eating big

[Antone000]

Can't seem to get my hands on any 'real primo'. Most out of the stuff out around my side is underdosed deca labelled as primo. Looks like either test e or prop. In regards to water retention, i hear that test prop is better? or is this just a load of bull? i thought test was test

[number twelve]

how often do you squat?
your in good shape buddy, i dont think you mentioned anywhere in this thread what your goals actually are.

[Antone000]

I'm doing a 5 day slip ATM so about once a week. My goal is to gain a lean 10-15 lbs. When i start cycling ill be switching to a 3 day split
Back in AM Bis in PM
Legs in AM shoulders in PM
Chest in AM tris in PM
Ill be doing this to make the most out of my recovery time whilst on cycle and to hit them twice a week

[MACKATTACK]

19 is too young.........your body will gain the same amount with the right proportioned diet while bulking, at 19 you have so much more natural testosterone its not even funny. PERIOD!! Throw in some 15-20 mins of cardio if you want to keep body fat down but thats not even necessary.

Doing steroids at a young age will stunt your long term growth.........you shouldn't even be on the site in my opinion.

FYI, your first cycle will always be your best, why waste it now when you have enough testosterone internally already........did you go to college?

[chi]

do you have a poster of the aesthetics crew on your wall at your parents house or rip zyzzz prayer card in your wallet?

[t-gunz]

^^lmfao

[Antone000]

Big with the jokes are we? Couldnt give a **** about those bunch of show ponys. anyway not here to talk about that, if u want to, go to the misc mate

[Antone000]

And yes MACKATTACK i'm at uni ATM and let me tell you they are the young ones that cycle too early with no good base to begin with and lose pretty much all their gains from lack of research etc. I'm stronger and have a better base with juicers twice my age. I'm here to learn and educate myself with correct methods. Just gotta deal with people like "chi" along the way

[mirin_serratus]

not sure if 8% but fuarkkin joocy nonetheless

[MACKATTACK]

And yes MACKATTACK i'm at uni ATM and let me tell you they are the young ones that cycle too early with no good base to begin with and lose pretty much all their gains from lack of research etc. I'm stronger and have a better base with juicers twice my age. I'm here to learn and educate myself with correct methods. Just gotta deal with people like "chi" along the way

Go to the diet section and state each meal with the statistics of each meal, then tell them your goals and people will help (everyone always assumes their diet is in order, fyi even some of the long term vets look for help in that section time to time to pin point perfection). Proper food intake with your age and working out, you can grow alot. And I love how you say, oh I am just going to run Test, don't hear about anything else with it, with your mind set you will have tits by the age of 21. Also, what about PCT? Just as important as the steroid you are going to take.

Your problem is that you are blinded by what you are told, see and maybe read if you are lucky. You are like a race horse with blinders........

[stfuandliftbtch]

haha Definitely NOT time to start..

[gmantheman]

I'm doing a 5 day slip ATM so about once a week. My goal is to gain a lean 10-15 lbs. When i start cycling ill be switching to a 3 day split
Back in AM Bis in PM
Legs in AM shoulders in PM
Chest in AM tris in PM
Ill be doing this to make the most out of my recovery time whilst on cycle and to hit them twice a week

Besides eating more your workout could use tweaking. It's hard to gain on a 5 day split and perhaps will be even harder on a 3 day split lifting 2xper. day. You are asking for advice and if you take it, that's up to you.

[SEOINAGE]

Couple issues that have been brought up but will agree with, too young, have potential to make a lot more gains naturally. I will add on here, some of my best gains came after I was 20 naturally of course. And the final thing that tells me you aren't ready "That being said i know my stuff about diet and training." That just tells me you think you have already learned enough, and are very knowledgeable, but in actuality you have a lot to learn and a long ways to go, jumping on steroids now isn't going to help you learn your body, learn training better, nor learn proper nutrition, fix the attitude and instead of thinking you know everything be a sponge and soak up all you can, a lot of info out there is crap of course, but that is a big part about it, some of what you might think is quality training, or diet, might actually not be best. I just think you have a lot to learn besides the fact that you potentially will screw your body over doing it this young.

[lmmalone]

You look really good man. I wouldn't start a cycle yet. Long terms effects aren't worth the short term gains.

Keep up the hard work

[Antone000]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I just don't want to miss my opportunity because lets face it alot of the pros started in there teens and i dont want to grow older and think to myself what i could have been. Nevertheless i know im gonna get flamed for this but ill post up my log when i start next month. Progress shot taken yday btw

[Squawks]

keep eating

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

i just turned 20 on the 4th man... i have a page on this forum. never used aas before and ive made insane gains. u just need to try something different consistantly, meaning dont change it all every single week, give things time to take effect